From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Jun 24 22:02:34 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA06680 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 22:02:34 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA03472 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 24 Jun 1997 19:20:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 19:20:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199706250020.TAA03472@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #227 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, June 24 1997 Volume 01 : Number 227 In this digest: Re: IN> Speaking of bombs! Re: IN> ...Running a Mixed Troupe. Re:IN> Passwords Re: IN> Screwin' with the Seraphim IN> Attunements Re: IN> Humor me, it's a character... Re: IN> Rescue: 666 Re: IN> Invocation Modifiers Re: IN> Rescue: 666 IN> Looking for Company/Trouble Re: IN> ...Running a Mixed Troupe. Re: IN> ...Running a Mixed Troupe. IN> Roles & Celestial Anatomy (was ...Running a Mixed Troupe.) IN> Dead Superiors, attunments [and vessals] Re: IN> Screwin' with the Seraphim Re: IN> Looking for Company/Trouble RE: Kyriofluff again (Re: IN> Screwin' w Re: IN> Dead Superiors, attunments [and vessals] Re: IN> Not exactly a WoD crossover... Re: IN> ...Running a Mixed Troupe. Re: Kyriofluff again (Re: IN> Screwin' with the Seraphim) Re:IN> Passwords Re: IN> Dead Superiors, attunments [and vessals] Re: IN> Screwin' with the Seraphim IN> Re: Kyriofluff again Re: IN> Dead Superiors, attunments [and vessals] RE: Kyriofluff again (Re: IN> Screwin' w Re: IN> Speaking of bombs! Re: IN> Dead Superiors, attunments [and vessals] Re: IN> Roles & Celestial Anatomy (was ...Running a Mixed Troupe.) IN> IN: big bombs!!! (And Disturbances of Ungodly Size IN> Oh JHVH not more about Roles IN> INLARP, In League...with whom? IN> Yet another Word-bound... Re: IN> Angels and the Bomb? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 00:29:31 -0500 From: Charybdis GreyDragon Subject: Re: IN> Speaking of bombs! [Charybdis GreyDragon] >> Speaking of bombs in In Nomine, I got to blow up the Galleria in last >>week's session! It was so satisfying somehow... :) [Jeff Miller] > >The Galleria and the Bonaventure get blown up in every modern day campaign >my group's been in so far. Actually, I've never gotten to do it before. But then, I've never run a game here in Houston before... Peace, Charybdis GreyDragon karydbis@phoenix.net ** "A pen becomes a clarion." ** ** --Longfellow ** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 00:05:24 -0500 From: Charybdis GreyDragon Subject: Re: IN> ...Running a Mixed Troupe. [Charybdis] >> Harder, but lots of fun... Last night I actually got to play >> cuz I >> finally got my husband to run a session... [Andre] > I'm thinking in forcin...getting someone to GM for me myself... I've been trying to get someone else to GM-- anything Shadowrun, Rolemaster, GURPS, Vampire, anything-- for almost 2 years... I think this makes the 2nd or maybe 3rd time I've gotten to play live in that time... That's one reason I like PBEM so much... It's the only time I get to play, rather than GM. [Andre Ribeiro] >> > we're planing to make the next session - the 18's birthday party of >> the Seraph girl - LIVE!! It will be in the Djinn's nightclub, Trauma, >> and we'll all go to a real club to do some live action... [Charybdis] >> Cool... I've never been much into live action, but that could be fun... I >> assume you cleared it with the RL club staff first... [Andre] > As always, we just say we're having a party - and even this is >Seraph-close to the truth...! We couldn't just tell'em a Seraph is >turning 18 and his fellow angels (and some demons) are going to >celebrate there anyway... Sure you could... Jeremiah, my Ofanim of Litheroy would... I doubt that they'd believe you anyway... Actually I just thought you might tell them that you were playing a live action game-- in case things get weird, I mean... Peace, Charybdis GreyDragon karydbis@phoenix.net ** "A pen becomes a clarion." ** ** --Longfellow ** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 00:33:21 -0500 From: Charybdis GreyDragon Subject: Re:IN> Passwords [Christopher Paul] >Needing to contact a Malakim servitor of Dominic, while in D.C., our >Elohite goes to the security desk at the supreme court building and pages: >"Mr. Dominic Malakim." Not a problem among humans, but wouldn't that be a bit obvious to any Infernals who were around? [Christopher Paul] >Working for the CIA and having a penchant for passwords and responses, my >Ofanite came up with this deceptively simple one: > >Challenge: The Lord is my shepherd... > >Response: ...so where's my mutton? Now *that's* sick and twisted! I *like* it! [Christopher Paul] > Oh, so unhappy was the poor demon who answered, "uh, I shall not >want?" Peace, Charybdis GreyDragon karydbis@phoenix.net ** "A pen becomes a clarion." ** ** --Longfellow ** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 00:27:56 -0500 From: Charybdis GreyDragon Subject: Re: IN> Screwin' with the Seraphim [Charybdis] >> Hmmmm... I dunno. This is just a guess, but I would suspect the answer is >> None of the Above. It's True Name is probably not defined by any human >> language at all. My guess would be that the True Name is probably whatever >> the word for E. Coli in Angelic script... [Kingsley Lintz] > Not by the book, anyway...it's officially noted as, "...provided >it HAS a name in an Earthly language that he knows". Which is why I think >the Name the Seraph would get would be firmly dependant on how much >CHemistry he knew personally... Yeah, I can see that... [Kingsley Lintz] > The main point to it seems to be for the penetrating illusion, >though...(eg. a Baron of Satanic Dishes has disguised a pile of used tire >rubber as a scrumptuous feast. The Seraph of Yves touches it and >realizes, "Say, this is Used Tire Rubber, not Tender Pork Loin. Guys >don't eat this!" Then the Baron bites his leg off.) I can see the point of it... It's just not as-- for lack of a better word-- poetic. [Kingsley Lintz ] > And, of course, for Gabriel's little, "You look like a ____" from >The Prophecy... Yeah. I thought that was really cool, actually. [Kingsley Lintz] > Though I kind of like the Angelic script True Name idea a little >better, in some ways... Thank you... I think... :) Peace, Charybdis GreyDragon karydbis@phoenix.net ** "A pen becomes a clarion." ** ** --Longfellow ** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 00:59:45 -0700 From: zingaro@peak.org Subject: IN> Attunements Thank you for the lovely answers on Roles. Now, I have a new wrench. My Impudite [of Haagenti] wants to pick up the Lilim atttunement. It mentions the gesa/geas in the description -- is the geas part of the Lilim resonance? Or a side effect of it? - ------- zingaro@peak.org Use an accordian, go to jail. It's the law. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 01:20:58 -0700 (PDT) From: gaunt@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Alexander Shearer) Subject: Re: IN> Humor me, it's a character... >On/off-topic: since Balseraphs of Fate get the choir's resonance and >dissonance, would that complicate playing this character? IOW, is >corrupting a Vessel considered "leaving it in worse shape than when he >found it"? >(Argh, another Kyrio question!) Hypaeos isn't going to corrupt the vessel - he's not doing the Shedim thing. It's just a neat way to really be able to screw with peoples' minds (seems like being someone who you aren't is a really nice lie [or temporary reality, for Hypaeos]). Alexander Shearer nightgaunt@earthlink.net gaunt@uclink4.berkeley.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 05:35:34 -0300 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: Re: IN> Rescue: 666 Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > [This adventure seed makes some assumptions... Be forwarned.] > > (For demon PCs!) I don't think my players are ready to go to Hell yet - but I definitively like it! Specially because I got some demons in my campaign - - and one is Malpha's... And there's also the offspring subject, which touches some points in my chronicle too... Just a question: Which winged animal would be her celestial form?? Andre ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 05:55:03 -0300 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: Re: IN> Invocation Modifiers Paul F. Strack wrote: > On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, Andre Ribeiro wrote: > > > If a celestial, say, a demon servitor of Kronos, is > surrounded > > by a quartz watch, a wind-up clock, a hand-written biography, a > > century-old grandfather clock, an atomic clock and is sitting next > to > > the Big Ben does it means he has a +21 modifier to invocate his > Demon > > Prince?? > > I'm fairly sure you only get the best modifier available. I was fairly sure myself - but you know how players are... Andre ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 05:45:24 -0300 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: Re: IN> Rescue: 666 Kingsley Lintz wrote: > I could see Malphas and Kronos > both gleefully working out the whole thing, including the rescue, just > to > get a Balseraph who doesn't know it right under Novalis's > nose...getting > her in major, MAJOR trouble with Dominic when someone else notices. > Not > even Yves could shield her from something like that. Especially if, > as > I'd propose, the Seraph of Flowers Attunement would just naturally, > quietly, twist to something equivalent to the Imbroglio Attunement > from > Malphas anyway. Poor Shellie wouldn't even know.) You guys are sick... I love you!! Andre ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 06:11:44 -0300 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: IN> Looking for Company/Trouble Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 11:09 PM -0600 6/22/97, Kingsley Lintz wrote: > >(we had little quips like, "You wouldn't be with the Guardian Angels, > > >would you?", "I've a relation named Novalis...might you know > >her...brother, Michael?" > There's also things like, "'Scuse me, but could you ask if there > are any friends of one David Stone around?" over the phone. That reminds me of a question: Do the celestials instantly know each other as another celestial (I know they don't, but I had to ask...)? What would the game mechanics for that perception roll? Angels would have a bonus to detect Angels? Or they are always walking around blindly (kinda paranoid, isn't it?)?? Andre ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 06:31:54 -0300 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: Re: IN> ...Running a Mixed Troupe. Charybdis GreyDragon wrote: > Actually I just thought you might tell them that you were > playing a live > action game-- in case things get weird, I mean... The weird thing *is* playing a living action game - at least in their (humble mortal's) head... Have you ever tried to explain LARP to a layman?? You: ''It's like RPG, but we actually *act* as the characters..." Poor Layman: "RP what??" Besides, my folks and I are playing LARP for four years now - we're kinda used to the masquerade... Not that we haven't got some interesting stories of ''When Things Go Wrong" Andre P.S.: Sorry by the cloned messages, by the way... Some imp's gaining essence on me... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 05:52:48 -0300 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: Re: IN> ...Running a Mixed Troupe. Paul F. Strack wrote: > BTW, I don't insist that the angel live out the entire life in order > to > get a Level 6 Role, only that *someone* lived the life. I know - but it's just doesn't sound good. How would the Angel get updated on his/her life?? It would be quite a long talk, wouldn't it? And what would he/she be really learning?? In my game, the Seraph made this choice in order to learn more about living on Earth - what a better way than *actually* doing it?? Andre > Paul > > Paul Strack | Madness takes its toll. > pfstrack@math.unc.edu | Please have exact change. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~|~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > World of Darkness Page - > http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/wod.html > In Nomine Page: INC2 - http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/innom/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 20:24:12 +1000 (EST) From: Peter Frederick Subject: IN> Roles & Celestial Anatomy (was ...Running a Mixed Troupe.) Dear Paul, Charybdis and List At 04:19 PM 23/6/97 -0400, Paul F. Strack wrote: >On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, Charybdis GreyDragon wrote: >> >ingenuity in... you know... things of the flesh... And that's a 6 >> >level Role - according to Strack's Role Table, she had to live all her >> >life anyway... >> >> I'm gonna have to go check out that Roles chart, I think... > >It's on my web page > >BTW, I don't insist that the angel live out the entire life in order to >get a Level 6 Role, only that *someone* lived the life. short thought, does this verge over to the "Vessel Anatomy" thread. If you have "lived the life" then your vessel might b a lot more human, or maybe it's a bonus for buying the level 6 role. Thanking you for your indulgence. Yours Peter. Email to peterf@geko.net.au "Whoso loveth God truely must not expect to be loved by Him in return." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 06:31:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Maziarz Subject: IN> Dead Superiors, attunments [and vessals] I have had a question for some time now, and have not seen the answer on the list. Let's say there was this Djinn servitor of Sloth roaming around Earth doing Sloth-like things. You know, like by being the cat that always wants you to curl up and nap. One day while curled up watching his charge waste away (think _Seven_ here), you feel your heart shatter. At some point you discover your Rites are forfeit (I would think immediately, personally), since those are given through your Superior. Eventualy you discover that that ugly toothed ex-familiar of Sloth has gone and eaten Sloth, his retainers, and most of those in Trauma. Perhaps by a friend who escaped the Trauma-gathers by returning to Earth (spare vessal that would have been burned as well in that fire, or perhaps it had enough character points left over to form a new body). My question is: do you keep your attunments to Sloth? Obviously that Word still exists: it is just now unassigned. Rites are obviously closely tied to your Superior and go away, just like when you go renigade. In a recent post, Kingsley Lintz mentioned that attunments are more like part of you. Sure, Superiors could strip them from you, and if you Fall or are Redeemed they get knocked out of wack. But what if you Superior dies a horrible death? Are there still some Servitors of Sloth kicking around? Also, what about your Superior's Disonnence? I would think that this would go, just like the Rites, as it is no longer enforcing them. Just as with Lilth: when you get the Rites, you get the Disonnence, like a gift. As a side note: can characters "create" new vessals with character points, or does a Superior have to grant an Celestial one? I have been assuming that toughening one would be easy with simple character points (you are putting more energy into it). But what about making a new one? You know, like solidifying your Corporeal Forces in new and intersting ways. Could a character do this if on Earth? Would the character have to be on Earth? In Heaven/Hell? If not in general, could certain types of Celestials do so, like angels of Eli? Or would you have to have the Elohim attunment specifically (a vessal is almost a relic type of thinking here)? If you said that you could use the Elohim attumnet of Eli to make a vessal, could you make one for someone else? Of course, you could also say that vessal creation is a separate Servitor attunment, if you were to allow it. Eli, Jordi, and Novalis may all have varients. (Pictures of Puck and Oberon turning into trees to conceil themselves from prying eyes. Switch to IN, in Suburbia: "Abner! That tree by the Steven's house has moved again! It was planted near a differant window just a moment ago! I told you there was something strange about a tree that blooms all year long! No I do NOT need my medicine!") - --- Jeff Maziarz | 856 Main Street - Apt. 2 | The sun never jmaziarz@lorien.ajs.com | Malden, MA 02148 | shines on the B4/5 f- w g s+ kv r p | (617) 324-8188 | global internet. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 09:08:28 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Screwin' with the Seraphim Alexander Shearer wrote: "This is my favorite answer so far - it makes good sense. I wouldn't really make prokaryotes Noavlis' domain, though - they're no more plants than animals (so it's neither her nor Jordi). Tomorrow I should bop on down to the library and see if anyone in the Dictionary of Angels seems up to the word Prokaryotes. Of course, this probably just fits under a lot of other words...maybe E. Coli is given to Jordi because we use it for digestion, where the bacteria used in legumes belongs to Novalis, and disease-causing suckers belong to someone else..." Glad you liked it. Try to find an Angel of Leavening. It's the first place I can think of where the microbial intersects the Biblical. (I guess an Angel of Leprosy would do as well, but I think we'd all prefer leavening.) Earl Wajenberg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 08:12:27 -0500 From: Charybdis GreyDragon Subject: Re: IN> Looking for Company/Trouble At 06:11 AM 6/24/97 -0300, you wrote: >> At 11:09 PM -0600 6/22/97, Kingsley Lintz wrote: >> There's also things like, "'Scuse me, but could you ask if there >> are any friends of one David Stone around?" over the phone. [Andre] > That reminds me of a question: Do the celestials instantly >know each other as another celestial (I know they don't, but I had to >ask...)? What would the game mechanics for that perception roll? Angels >would have a bonus to detect Angels? Or they are always walking around >blindly (kinda paranoid, isn't it?)?? I don't think they automatically know each other... In fact, most of the resonances only give you human or celestial, not which side they are one - -- unless your check digit is really good. We've been requiring a perception roll, where you specifically are looking for celestial status, and the check digit determines how much info you get. And yes, that does lead to some hefty paranoia. For instance, last week (when I actually got to play), I rolled well enough to tell that everyone involved in a particular scuffle was a celestial, but not well enough to tell what side they were on. So I tried my Malakim resonance for honour, figuring that would give me some guidance, but I failed the roll... (Actually, it was a bad night for resonance rolls all around, almost everyone failed their various rolls...) So you should have seen us all dancing around... Kleio, my Malakite of Eli, "So who do you work for?" Solaris (Sean's Seraph of Eli in service to Litheroy, but I didn't know that)... "Who do you work for?" Kleio, swinging the deadly love beads with which I had just KO'd the guy they were chasing down (for refusing to answer the same question) and looking pointedly at the fallen body. "I asked you first.." Amethyst (a Mercurian of David, but again, I didn't know that), "I'm with her," pointing to me, "You first..." pointing to Solaris. Solaris, pointing at the downed body, "*He* stole my wallet." Kleio (taking a small chance) shrugging, "He *could* work for Janus... But that doesn't answer my question," again swinging the deadly ninja love beads... "Who do you, work for?" Solaris (finally giving in), "Alright, alright, I work for, I work for Eli." Kleio, breaking into a grin and hanging the deadly love beads back around my neck. "Cool!" Solaris, missing the point, "Cool? What do you mean, cool? Cool's not an answer! I told you I work for Eli, now it's your turn..." (Solaris is an excitable sort). Kleio, shaking her head, "It's cool, man, it's cool... So do I... Here I'm Cleopatra Ellison, but my friends call me Kleio. " Solaris, "I'm Solaris..." We both turn pointedly to Amethyst, who finally breaks and says, "David." And after a moment, adds, "Amethyst." Amethyst doesn't speak much.... We never did find out about the poor schuck I KO'd though.... Maybe next week... :) Peace, Charybdis GreyDragon karydbis@phoenix.net ** "A pen becomes a clarion." ** ** --Longfellow ** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:09:49 -0500 From: rbeall@fdldotnet.com (Grim88) Subject: RE: Kyriofluff again (Re: IN> Screwin' w >If so, that would make a secret tryst between two Kyrios a > ... Kyrie liaison? ok...THAT one hurt. I mean, phyisically hurt. Grim goes off and puts in his Mr. Mister CD now. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 10:37:23 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Dead Superiors, attunments [and vessals] This reminds me -- What happened to the servants of Uriel? I don't recall it being mentioned in the book. Uriel isn't dead, but he isn't available, either. Were his angels re-assigned to Laurence or Michael or Dominic? Or are they scattered about now, like those of Eli? Is a "seraph of Uriel, servitor to Dominic" different from a plain seraph of Dominic? Earl Wajenberg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:30:02 -0400 From: "Kirt A. Dankmyer -- aka Loki" Subject: Re: IN> Not exactly a WoD crossover... > Of course, an ongoing IN LARP chronicle is totally different... Ah, you're talking one-shots, then. What I was curious about is how one might do a chronicle. -Loki - -- Kirt A. Dankmyer --- Academic Computing Specialist http://www.wfu.edu/~dankmyka/ -- (910) 759-4202 -- PGP public key available. For the Snark _was_ a Boojum, you see. --Lewis Carroll ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:42:17 -0400 From: "Kirt A. Dankmyer -- aka Loki" Subject: Re: IN> ...Running a Mixed Troupe. > The weird thing *is* playing a living action game - at least in >their (humble mortal's) head... Have you ever tried to explain LARP to a >layman?? > > You: ''It's like RPG, but we actually *act* as the characters..." > Poor Layman: "RP what??" I usually just explain it as a form of experimental improvisational theatre and they seem to grok that okay. -Loki - -- Kirt A. Dankmyer --- Academic Computing Specialist http://www.wfu.edu/~dankmyka/ -- (910) 759-4202 -- PGP public key available. For the Snark _was_ a Boojum, you see. --Lewis Carroll ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 97 12:12 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: Kyriofluff again (Re: IN> Screwin' with the Seraphim) >> So, if Kyriotates sing three-part harmony with themself, does this >> mean that they like to sing Kyrioke? > >I thought Kyriotates were mainly into free form Jazz? That doesn't seem to >lend itself to three part harmony very often. But a Kyrio of Lightning can have quite a jam session all by itself.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:40:05 -0400 From: "Kirt A. Dankmyer -- aka Loki" Subject: Re:IN> Passwords >>Needing to contact a Malakim servitor of Dominic, while in D.C., our >>Elohite goes to the security desk at the supreme court building and pages: >>"Mr. Dominic Malakim." > > Not a problem among humans, but wouldn't that be a bit obvious to any >Infernals who were around? Sure... But if you were an Infernal, would you check up on a bunch of people looking for a Malakim of Judgement? Personally, I'd just slink off and report it to my Superior... -Loki - -- Kirt A. Dankmyer --- Academic Computing Specialist http://www.wfu.edu/~dankmyka/ -- (910) 759-4202 -- PGP public key available. For the Snark _was_ a Boojum, you see. --Lewis Carroll ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:07:05 -0400 From: "Kirt A. Dankmyer -- aka Loki" Subject: Re: IN> Dead Superiors, attunments [and vessals] >This reminds me -- What happened to the servants of Uriel? >I don't recall it being mentioned in the book. Uriel isn't dead, >but he isn't available, either. Were his angels re-assigned to >Laurence or Michael or Dominic? Or are they scattered about now, >like those of Eli? Is a "seraph of Uriel, servitor to Dominic" >different from a plain seraph of Dominic? I believe this issue is to be covered in "The Marches". Apparantly all of the remaining servitors of Uriel are hanging out on the edges of dream... -Loki - -- Kirt A. Dankmyer --- Academic Computing Specialist http://www.wfu.edu/~dankmyka/ -- (910) 759-4202 -- PGP public key available. For the Snark _was_ a Boojum, you see. --Lewis Carroll ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 14:27:36 -0300 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: Re: IN> Screwin' with the Seraphim Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Try to find an Angel of Leavening. It's the first place I can think > of where the microbial intersects the Biblical. (I guess an Angel of > Leprosy would do as well, but I think we'd all prefer leavening.) BUT I can see a Demon of Leprosy... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:14:02 -0600 (MDT) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: IN> Re: Kyriofluff again > If so, that would make a secret tryst between two Kyrios a > ... Kyrie liaison? Oooh, ooh! New Relic! The Kyrio-Tote-bag, a simple backpack, purse, or similar that will follow a Kyriotate in Celestial form, allowing it to maintain important posessions between hosts. (Note that the Shedim have attempted to duplicate this, but find they inveriably must shed all their possessions at every transfer...) > or is there a Demon of Bad Puns instead?> Well, there's Mortijingle, Lord of Death and Humor...which certainly seems to fit some of the absolutely -deadly- puns we've had going. He's not strictly an Angel or a Demon, but I've got a writeup for him as an In Nomine Superior anyway... ___ _ | | | |HE |_INTKIN|_\--------------------------------------lintking@xpert.net| | (Inhume In Humour!) ALL HAIL MORTIJINGLE! (Or else.)| | High Priest : jIg nOIr mELt (mnj) | | http://a-ztech.com/lintking/jnmmnj/index.html | |_______________________________________________________________________| ^^--Thereabouts, if you're interested. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 13:06:39 -0600 (MDT) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> Dead Superiors, attunments [and vessals] Jeff Maziarz proposed; > My question is: do you keep your attunments to Sloth? Obviously that > Word still exists: it is just now unassigned. Rites are obviously closely Ooh...I do like that. I suspect Asmodeus would just consider them all Renegades, and probably went on something of a hunt for them soon after Haagenti's rise, but Sloth's followers would be hard to find..(It's not like they can't keep their heads down..) And most of the survivors, just for the path of least resistance, probably just went on performing their current jobs...having one happen to be in the way could be a nice obstacle to throw in the way of a team of Celestials. I mean, who'd even really remember what they can do anymore? (Most likely place to encounter one would probably be an opium den...some of the legal attention poppy plants have been getting lately may be some of Asmodeus's continuing efforts on this line..) > Also, what about your Superior's Disonnence? I would think that this Though I do think you'd keep the Dissonance as well; it seems to fall more under the nature of Attunements than the Rites. (Attunements are something you can do, usually pretty automatically, or are an adjustment of your natural Resonance. Rites are something you have to go out and work for to pick up Essence. Dissonance happens almost accidentally; if you do something wrong, it vibrates wrong.) > As a side note: can characters "create" new vessals with character > points, or does a Superior have to grant an Celestial one? I have been I think you could do it on your own...I don't see most Superiors even caring about those so much. (Though making one based off something they hate might annoy some of them...eg. an animal Vessel when your Superior really hates Jordi..) > on Earth? In Heaven/Hell? If not in general, could certain types of > Celestials do so, like angels of Eli? Or would you have to have the If someone had the character points and was doing it `on the fly', I'd be inclined to rule that you have to go Celestial first - you can't do it FROM a Vessel - and it should make a fair splash in the Symphony. (+5 per Level, maybe? Same for strengthening a Vessel in the middle of an adventure...small enough that you're still not going to be heard across town, but large enough that it mitigates the usefulness of it if you're trying to sneak up on or get away from somebody...) Though if the GM wants it more restrictive, I'd hold it just to Superiors...(even with Transubstantiation, Eli's Servitors don't seem able to reach that high a level of complexity...) Of course, it may also depend on what kind of Vessel you want. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 14:04:35 From: Jeff Miller Subject: RE: Kyriofluff again (Re: IN> Screwin' w >ODie... > or is there a Demon of Bad Puns instead?> > Think about it. Then there would have to be an Angel of Good Puns. Is the world ready for such a concept? -- Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 14:00:43 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> Speaking of bombs! At 12:29 AM 6/24/97 -0500, you wrote: >[Charybdis GreyDragon] >>> Speaking of bombs in In Nomine, I got to blow up the Galleria in last >>>week's session! It was so satisfying somehow... :) > >[Jeff Miller] >> >>The Galleria and the Bonaventure get blown up in every modern day campaign >>my group's been in so far. > > Actually, I've never gotten to do it before. But then, I've never >run a game here in Houston before... > Heh. However, I was refering to the Glendale Galleria in L.A. It must just be the name, but hearing that the Galleria (any Galleria) has been blown up is very satisfying. -- Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:26:17 -0600 (MDT) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> Dead Superiors, attunments [and vessals] > This reminds me -- What happened to the servants of Uriel? > I don't recall it being mentioned in the book. Uriel isn't dead, I generally assume they were recalled with their Superior, and are currently working jobs in the higher Celestial planes... (Probably in the museums, dusting off dragon's heads and polishing unicorn horns..) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 12:35:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> Roles & Celestial Anatomy (was ...Running a Mixed Troupe.) > short thought, does this verge over to the "Vessel Anatomy" thread. If you > have "lived the life" then your vessel might b a lot more human, or maybe > it's a bonus for buying the level 6 role. Makes sense...actually, based on some of the other things they've done with that, it might have more to do with Corporeal Forces. (The rules on Trauma, for example, make clear that those indicate as well how firmly attached to your Vessel you feel..) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 14:55:42 -0400 From: Adam Canning Subject: IN> IN: big bombs!!! (And Disturbances of Ungodly Size From: Nana Yaw Ofori > But if you want to distract people from God taking Celestial Form on Earth, that might be the way to do it. < God's word on the other hand seems to be ineffability, so no one would notice him turning up unless he felt it necessary. Adam Dahak@Compuserve. Com "It is lawful for Christian men, at the commandment of the Magistarate, to wear weapons and serve in the wars." Articles of Religon XXXVII ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 14:55:38 -0400 From: Adam Canning Subject: IN> Oh JHVH not more about Roles Message text written by INTERNET:in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >From: zingaro@peak.org Two weeks into my first campaign and had some questions: If a celestial has a role and performs actions that might otherwise disturb the symphony but can attribute it to something hir role would do, then the disturbance is avoided. If my Ophanite has a Taxi Driver role and swerves across three lanes of traffic to make a left turn thus causing a seventeen car pile up, is the disturbance avoided? If my CHerub has a role as a liquor store owner and plugs four robbers with a shotgun, is dissonance avoided? < In any case a role is needed against the role [sorry] + corporeal Forces [IN p44] to attribute the activity to the role but given that if Taxi drivers where the character is do cause pile ups or offlicense proprietors do shoot robbers then Yes both would be coverd by the role. In England the First is unlikely [not enough four lane roads where the traffic moves fast enough] and the second would not work [Shopkeepers don't own guns as a rule] Adam Dahak@Compuserve.Com "Let others leap about in full view. They can be brought low by a spider hiding in the cracks, a spider they never see until it is too late." Moghedien in The Shadow Rising by Robert Jordan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 15:49:54 -0600 (MDT) From: Meera Barry Subject: IN> INLARP, In League...with whom? "Loki" commented to another: > Speaking of which, I'm curious as to how you're doing the In Nomine LARP, > not rules-wise (tho I'm curious about that as well), but scenario-wise. I > mean, with the Two Obvious Sides, things can get real combative real fast > (especially with Malakim around)... I've been tossing the idea back and forth for an INLARP, and the scenario which keeps coming to mind is more a "Revelations Party: Come As You Are" mostly with a mixed crowd communicating in character, a half-courtesan's-dozen subplots (basically, each character with about 3 goals) running through, and Something Big to give it a time limit. ["The Final Battle is winding down, and the scores are close...earn the final souls for your side, redeem yourself, doom yourself, or plant the seeds for a New Beginning. But, first, attend The Final Party."] \\ Mb \\-------------------------------------------------------------- mabarry@abwam.com "moderator" for Courts of Chaos list All Chaos! All The Time! Chaos List FAQ: http://a-ztech.com/mabarry/chaos/index.html - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 16:57:18 -0500 (CDT) From: Austin George Loomis Subject: IN> Yet another Word-bound... [Disclaimer: The demon described below, while loosely based on an actual person, is fictional. The similarities, while not coincidental, are mostly satirical and/or homagical. No insult is intended or should be inferred. - AGL, in the hopes that by thus covering my @$$, I won't get my heart punched out if the original ever sees this] Nalrah, Demon of Science Fiction, Balseraph Baron of the Media Like his current employer, Nalrah got his start working for Vapula. In fact, he can still remember laughing up his sleeve at the boundless optimism of a certain brash young Impudite (though now, of course, he claims he always knew the kid would go places). During the 19th century, Nalrah was one of the first to see the uses of human literature in selling mortals on the products that emerged from the workshops of Tartarus. In the later part of the century, he started encouraging certain writers to push the possibilities of technology in their stories, beginning with the Frenchman who coined the early, clunky term for that sort of yarn -- "scientific romances." When Nybbas got jumped up, he invited Nalrah on board, to help train the first Balseraphs of Media, and to act as liaison between the senior and junior Princes. In the 1920s, the Word he would one day make his own was coined by a Swiss immigrant, now a magazine publisher in America, who devoted an entire magazine to what he called "Scientifiction." This neologism took Nalrah's fancy, and he started promoting the words of which it was made, as a bridge between his former and present Superiors. In the middle 1950s, the era of monster movies, he was officially tied to his Word. His current Servant is a screenwriter to whom he's attached himself as writing partner. Together, they're working on a series that depicts a thinly-veiled version of the War in a future setting, in which the human race bursts out from under the thumb of extraterrestrial "angels" and "demons" to take charge of its own destiny. (It's an hour show, airing weekly, as per the perquisities of a Knight of Influence.) It's whispered that Nybbas isn't the only one pleased by the show's popularity - -- elaboration on this is handwaved as an exercise for the apt pupil. Nalrah's current vessel is about six inches shorter than the average for an adult human male in an industrial culture, but he makes up for it with a certain manic energy, alternating with bouts of blue funk when he can no longer sustain his usual pace (i.e. the occasions when his high Will can no longer overcome his high Discord, or when that Sloth [a Celestial Discord, remember] has blocked his daily Essence). Corporeal Forces 3 Strength 4, Agility 8 Ethereal Forces 4 Intelligence 9 (Mind hits 36), Precision 7 Celestial Forces 5 Will 12 (Soul hits 60), Perception 8 Vessel: Human/2 {Body hits 20} Role: Writer/4 (Status 4) Discord: Slothful/4 Skills: Artistry (writing)/5, Dodge/5, Emote/3, Fast-Talk/4, Fighting (jeet kune do)/6 Songs: Attraction (Ethereal/4), Charm (Ethereal/4), Dreams (Corporeal/ 5, Ethereal/4, Celestial/4), Form (Ethereal/4, Celestial/3), Light (Ethereal/4), Acid/5, Claws/3, Feet/4, Tongue/5, Possession /4, Thunder/5, Tongues (Corporeal/5, Ethereal/4, Celestial/3) Attunements: Balseraph of Nybbas (Servant -- Human/5 [writer/4]), Baron of the Fourth Estate, Soundtrack, Subliminal, Demon of Science Fiction Special Rite: As the Demon of Science Fiction, Nalrah gains a point of Essence every time he encourages people to speculate wildly about the future on the basis of inadequate evidence. The speculations can be positive or negative, as long as they're based more on the mortal's own opinions than on the Symphonic Truth. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 19:15:22 -0400 From: John Dye Subject: Re: IN> Angels and the Bomb? Kingsley Lintz wrote: > > > Lindsey wrote > Well..close, I suppose... > > I (Kingsley) noted; > > > (Besides - killing humans DOESN'T necessarily annoy the Superiors. > to which John Dye replied; > Define `huge'. > But more to the point...Yes. Yes, yes, and absolutely YES, the > major disasters involving huge loss of life must have had the > authorization of (if not coming directly from) the Superiors or THE > Superior. > If you recall, that's pretty much what I said. If they > were dead against the idea of killing mass amounts of humans for a good > enough gain in the War, they wouldn't have done it themselves several > times in the past, no? How involved the "Big Guy" might be in things > anymore is a question for the individual GM, of course, but my point > stands. Several of the Superiors strike me as potentially willing to give > up a fair chunk of humanity for a good strike against the Demons, > especially if it happens to be a chunk of humanity they don't like anyway. > They've done it before. You are correct. We are arguing different points. I just feel that the Superiors would have a problems with some peon angels setting off a nuke WITHOUT prior discussion, even if it did frag a Prince. No doubt Sodam and Gomorrah was a major strike against THE Impudite, Lilim, Balsarath, and Church of Latter Day Grigorie Party of the Century. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #227 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.