From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Jun 27 19:55:30 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA01614 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 19:55:30 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA06724 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 27 Jun 1997 17:37:28 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 17:37:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199706272237.RAA06724@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #230 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, June 27 1997 Volume 01 : Number 230 In this digest: Re: Kyriofluff again (Re: IN> Screwin' w Re: IN> Speaking of bombs! Re: IN> Warning Needed Re: IN> Toys for Vapula Re: IN> Yet another Word-bound... IN> Your Word and your name Re: IN>Odd Words (was Yet another Word-bound...) IN> Dead Superiors, attunments, and dissonance Re: IN> Dead Superiors, attunments, and dissonance Re: IN> Rescue: 666 (kinda long seed) IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #228 Re: IN> Calibim of Kronos with Belseraph attunement (Malakim) IN> Dumb Kyrio of Jean Tricks Re: IN> Yet another Word-bound... IN> Dead Superiors, Attunements (and Vessels) IN> IN:> Odd Words IN> The next four releases Re: IN> Dumb Kyrio of Jean Tricks Re: IN> Your Word and your name IN> Novalis' Unauthorized Biography Re: IN> Rescue: 666 (kinda long seed) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:31:45 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: Kyriofluff again (Re: IN> Screwin' w At 01:49 AM 6/26/97 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 97-06-25 02:01:14 EDT, you write: > ><< > Is the world ready for such a concept? > Good Puns? > I can't conceive of such a thing. > > ODie... >> > >The shortest distance between two puns is a straight line. > >(sorry) >-Calabim@aol.com > And if you can't quite achieve your goal, pun. -- Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:52:41 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> Speaking of bombs! At 11:18 PM 6/25/97 -0500, you wrote: > That's what I did, more or less... Though various means the party learned >of a hostage situation in one of the hotels adjoining the Galleria... and >they rushed in.... And as things progressed, things went to Hell in a hand >basket, and BANG! > Heh heh. That's the way it *supposed* to go. >[Jeff] >>Meanwhile an Ofanim of Gabriel has a running battle with a Calabite of >>Belial through the main corridor.... > > Hehehehhe... > They go by a clothing store... ...flaming mannequins getting tossed around.... A hair salon boutique... ...aerosol cans (need I say more?).... -- Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:54:45 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> Warning Needed At 06:55 PM 6/25/97 -0400, you wrote: >As a newbie to the game I was wondering did any of the more experienced Gms >have any warning to pass on about particularly unbalancing or easy to abuse >Attunements,Resonances and the like? The only one that really lept out at me >where the Impudite of Vapula and Kyiroate of Yves. All of the straight forward ones are OK it's when you start mixing and matching that you can get into trouble like the Kyrio with the Makakite of Gabriel Attunement. Things like that. Also, look at Malakim Oaths. Get rid of the "I can do anything I want" Oaths out of itand *do not* allow loose interpretations of the Oath. Twisting the Oaths to fit a situation is a Selfish act and should be dissonant. However, most of them can be abused if the player has the inclanation and creativity to do so. If you know a player tends to do so then see what that player comes up with and try to think of ways to abuse it. That's probably what that player had in mind. Then you can either disallow it or think of ways to counteract it. -- Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 12:07:26 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> Toys for Vapula At 01:59 PM 6/25/97 -0400, you wrote: >Some of the plot revolves around this object that I gave Vapula and his >minions called "the Device". It's a giant H. R. Geiger-ish hulking >monstrosity with metal plates and tubes and wires and computer hunks and >the whole nine yards. You power it by stuffing a Celestial in it and it >runs off their forces until it drains them dry. The computer interface >uses "Microsoft Device" running on Windows 95. (This IS hell, you know.) >I even created a minion, an Impudite of Vapula, to administrate it. > >The problem is............. I can't decide exactly what it DOES, per se. How about: It removes pollution from the air. Heck, he might get some Angels from Novalis or Jordi to sacrifice themselves in it. Of course, they wouldn't have to know that it simply precipitates the pollution out of the air into the soil and that plans will take it up and will themselves start to produce the pollution as part of their metabolic processes. Thus, in the long run, increasing the level of pollution. People would then have to rip up the plants to prevent them from polluting.... I tend to go for devices that look like they do something good but end up causing even greater problems. And a big device should have a big effect. >Has anyone toyed with any really strange automations like this? > No, just a twisted imagination. Off topic, I just ran Eudora Pro's spell checker and when it got to Jordi, it suggested "Word." Now I could see Jean getting in there but Jordi? -- Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 13:30:10 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> Yet another Word-bound... At 09:25 PM 6/25/97 -0500, you wrote: >>> >>>Nalrah, Demon of Science Fiction, Balseraph Baron of the Media >>> >>I'm real tempted to send this to him.... >> >It might be safe. There's not a lot of his biography in it, so he might >not take offense. (The main element of the man, apart from his current >project, is the Sloth, inspired by his Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.) > I think that he might actually be a bit flattered by it though I doubt he'd let on about that. The only thing that might bother him (if he knew the rules) is that you didn't make him a Prince. >>Can you email me your phone number? >> >No thank you -- I like my eardrums just fine the way they are. > Heh. But he doesn't rant loud, just profusely. >And, to answer in public some questions Martin Leslie Leuschen posed >to me in private email: I don't actually have anything *against* the >series in question (I haven't seen enough of it). It's just that, given >Nybbas as stated, it's awfully easy to see how he could be using it to >Hell's advantage. > Actually, if it were sponsered by anyone it would either be someone from the Far Marches "Throw off *both* yokes" or Eli "You *can* make a difference" or Blandine "Dream big". The show asks questions but doesn't answer them, thus making people answer them themselves. While this *does* play into demon hands somewhat, it doesn't promote mindless acceptance of substandard behavior like most other shows. Note: I must admit to some bias here. I'm the Director of Programming/Webmaster for Agamemcon, a southern California Babylon 5 convention. >Martin also pointed out that SF would probably be a battleground between >several different Superiors on both sides (Eli, Jean, Nybs, Vaps, and >I think there was one other, but I can't quite remember who). Makes >sense, yes -- but the Prince most likely to win it is the Nybster -- his >former boss concentrates more on lab-work. And Eli on the angels' side, >of course. > I would include Blandine as a possibility. >Austin George "Anyone feel like writing up the *Angel* of SF?" Loomis, >MiSTie #84029 > How about a Kyriotate or Mercurian of Eli. He was *very* active in the first half of the century. However, he upset Dominic and Laurance since he tended to promote freer thinking than they preferred. Indeed, most of the works and authors he inspired *were* strongly biased against organized religion. Jean wasn't too happy about him jumping the gun on technology either. When Eli disappeared, leaving him vulnerable, L&D were able to bring all their weight to bare against him. From here I can see two possiblities. Either they arranged for him to move under Jean who has kept a leash on him or he Fell. -- Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:37:41 -0800 From: nightgaunt@earthlink.net (Alexander Shearer) Subject: IN> Your Word and your name If you had a particularly cool Word, mightn't you be motivated to simply take that as your name as well? Obviously, shaking hands with a Seraph in Yves' services ruins the game, but as a general way to be known, it'd work. I was thinking specifically of demons with diseases (specific ones) as their Word. Think about that...some Shedite who introduces himself as "Malaria." Hmmm... Malaria, Shedite of Malaria, servitor of ? (I vote against Saminga straight off...if anyone has good candidates for demon princes of plague/contagion/pestilence, that'd be better) So - any suggestions for Bands, by disease? Some ideas: Ebola - A Calabite The Common Cold - A Shedite? Mono (Epstein-Barr viruses) - An Impudite Cholera - Calabite Syphilis - I don't know, but I know who they serve... Smallpox - Poor guy. Wiped him right out (suppose it was Jean...or maybe Vapula...:) ) Alexander Shearer nightgaunt@earthlink.net gaunt@uclink4.berkeley.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:18:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Kim Foster Subject: Re: IN>Odd Words (was Yet another Word-bound...) Have many peopled created Word Bound or Superiors for Words that would seem, on the surface, to be the opposite of the Celestial serving them? Like being the demon of something "good" or the angel of something "evil"? I remeber someone posting the Demon of Honor awile ago and its the perfect example of something like that. Just curious but would love to seem some posted. Maybe if I can get bold of enough I'll post The Angel Of Desire and Demon of Law. Stress: The result of the surpressing the bodie's natural urge to choke the living crap out of some jerk who so richly deserves it. Any retail worker,anywhere ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 21:08:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeff Maziarz Subject: IN> Dead Superiors, attunments, and dissonance Jeff Maziarz (that's me) said: > Also, what about your Superior's Disonnence? [Summary: should they keep it when your Superior gets et? Maybe no...] Kingsley Lintz responded: > Though I do think you'd keep the Dissonance as well; it seems to > fall more under the nature of Attunements than the Rites... [...and went on a bit.] I don't know about that. Lilith shares her Dissonance when she shares her Rites (over-sharing?) When she stops sharing, she stops sharing both. Also, in several places it is mentioned that Dissonance is something impossed upon Celestials at the whim of their Superiors. I take this to mean that Superior Dissonance is not an intergral part of their being. Valefor's Dissonance description mentions that the "Prince claims that this [not moving every three days] keeps them from being recognized." Novalis's says that you get more, much more, than just a little Dissonance from killing humans. I would infer that anything more than simple Dissonance would require some direct intervention from Novalis herself. Then again, she could simply be a special case. After all, when talking of Discord it is mentioned that the Celestial will have to explain how it got that way to the Superior: so most might not know. Not that this helps angels explaining away in Angelic Tongue :) Also, Lilim who gain attunments from multiple Superiors, whether "free" or not, do not seem to get the Dissonance associated with that Superior. (Yes, exception: when directly serving one, just like any other Celestial.) This is the same for Celestials in general, even though it doesn't happen as oftain. It seems like Attunments stick like glue, being removed only through changing sides and radically rearranging your Essance. This being the case, with your Superior dead and all, it can't impose more Dissonance on you. In fact, Dissonance accumulated from going against your Superior's wishs may just go away once consumed by Haaggenti. (Players: don't go counting on this during game play. Remember: those ketsup bottles and salt & pepper shakers carried before going Celestial will not be available in Hell. "I'm not pleased at all... uh... Will you stop rubbing that goop on me!") On the other hand, Eli's Dissonance description says that they "have nothing unique which make them dissonantto their Word." Does this, then, imply that the Word itself assigns the Dissonance? Or did Eli simply shrug off the concept as meaningless: "Go play. Have fun...be cool." Certainly he thought that way about distinctions. Personally, I think that the Superior Dissonance would go away. If a player wanted to be such a critter, though, they would have to have a really good story, and probubly have to stick with being Renegade, or "serving" Lilith. While it would be interesting, they should simply be getting extra, ungainable attunements without some drawback. And don't forget: we are probubly all talking Sloth here, after all. "Hmmm... my heart just shattered... distressing. {Nap.} Hey, this guy is starting to smell. Oh! Another one died of Sloth. {Short nap.} Maybe I'll go dancing. Hey! I got up real quick and no Dissonance! Cool. So, do I want to go do stuff, or find some Celestial I don't even know, hope he's a demon who won't just snuff me, and see if he'll lead me nicely to Hell so that I can work my butt off? Hmmm... tempting, but, no. Had I wanted to work, I wouldn't have served Sloth." Besides, would you really want a player/NPC who generates Dissoance simply by taking action, or, infinately more likely, motivating others to actually do something? You know, like instead of sitting at home and ordering delivery? And even that is pushing it? (All those buttons...) I think not. Hard enough to motivate them sometimes. Better to give the character some other disad, like not having any Attunments from other Superiors - just like all the other starting PC's. And it's really bad not having a heart when you croke, especially if you go for the "Why, no, you don't go to Hell and suffer trama. You're a lucky one. You get to stay right here with those Malakim who just killed you. Don't those swords do Celestial damage?" Advice: body bags. Lots of them. And knowledge skills like "Ancient Hidden Secret Places." Perhaps with "Astronomy" and "Cthulhu Mythos" for those alternate games, incl./esp. IOU. Well, OK, the NPC dog, Snoozy, who has just been lying/napping on the porch of the local hotel the characters are staying at, turning out to be an immensely powerful demon, is just too amusing. - --- Jeff Maziarz | 856 Main Street - Apt. 2 | "Don't wake up old jmaziarz@lorien.ajs.com | Malden, MA 02148 | Snoozy, or he'll fry B4/5 f- w g s+ kv r p | (617) 324-8188 | your chitlin's!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:46:58 -0600 (MDT) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> Dead Superiors, attunments, and dissonance Jeff Mariarz thoughtfully detailed; > I don't know about that. Lilith shares her Dissonance when she shares Lilith also doesn't offer any Attunements and takes Servitors on only on a strictly temporary basis...she's also, I think it's important to note, not of the same nature as other Superiors. It's definitely a good point; Lilith offers strong evidence that Superior-induced Dissonance is a transient thing...but personally, I consider her a special case in so many ways that I hesitate to apply her against the others. (However much they might enjoy having her so applied..) > Also, in several places it is mentioned that Dissonance is something > impossed upon Celestials at the whim of their Superiors. I take this to My problem with this is that it's reasonably clear that Superiors aren't omniscient; the PC's are "favored", so Superiors are presumed to pay some attention, but they don't automatically know every instant that goes on...(consider Baal and Laurence's tendancy to `make the rounds', having their Servitors report to them...or, in the Bright Dream interlude, while Gabriel is certainly generally up in Nicole's life, she just as obviously doesn't know all the immediate details..) In effect, while, as you note with Valefor, it's very clear that Superiors do CHOOSE what their Dissonance will be...I think the immediate nature of it suggests it's an actual change they make to their Servitors, and not something they inflict on a case-by-case basis. (eg. a Servitor of Andrealphus sees someone get hurt, and feels a twinge of sympathy. It's a purely internal thing, something no one watching them probably even knows about, but nonetheless...Boom. Dissonance, right then. Andrealphus could FORGIVE it if he wanted, and they might be able to clear it up themselves by doing something particularly nasty to the person, but it's not like they're okay until the next time they talk to their Lord and Master, and personally, at least, I don't think Andre even knows about it...though he'll certainly sense that sour note the next time he DOES show up, as you note...) > Also, Lilim who gain attunments from multiple Superiors, whether "free" > or not, do not seem to get the Dissonance associated with that Superior. Oh, I'm certainly not suggesting that Dissonance is attached to Attunements - you can most definitely be given one without the other. I just think they're closer in nature than either is to Rites. (Now, as an alternative side-note...personally I think not, obviously, but for amusement's sake; what if, on Haagenti's devouring the Prince of Sloth, all of Sloth's Servitors got Haagenti's Dissonance? Alternatively - - and this one seems slightly more likely to me - when Nybbas took over Perdition, perhaps they got his instead? I'd hope not; it wouldn't work very well for them, but..) > really good story, and probubly have to stick with being Renegade, or > "serving" Lilith. While it would be interesting, they should simply be I could, actually, see several of the other Superiors being willing to take some in...(Beleth, for example, was probably Friendly with Sloth...and, er...well, Saminga might agree that Death is just the ultimate Sloth so sure, come on board. And MaBarry points out that Nybbas could use their input on those alpha-wave inducing TV signals. Okay, not several, but..a couple.) > And don't forget: we are probubly all talking Sloth here, after all. Well...primarily, anyway, but the point could apply in other places... > Besides, would you really want a player/NPC who generates Dissoance > simply by taking action, or, infinately more likely, motivating others to > actually do something? You know, like instead of sitting at home and Mmmm...I don't think it would be that bad. Everyone seems to be assuming the Servitors necessarily EMBODY the Word, where in most cases they..well, Serve it. You can't go against it, but it's not like it becomes all you are. (Nybbas's folk don't vanish when the camera's turn away...do they? ) More to the point; Michael's don't HAVE to fight constantly. They get Dissonance if they retreat - not if they don't punch someone out. Now, a couple of the Superiors push this, but..well, as we've already agreed - it's largely up to the Superior. In Sloth's case, I most especially think he WOULDN'T limit his Servitors like that...after all, he wants them to do as much of his work as possible. (The Superiors, being directly Word-Bound rather than just Superior-Bound, are a little more influenced that way, IMO...) I'd strongly suggest that Sloth's Dissonance would be more like Death's. Saminga's Servitors don't gain Dissonance for being alive, or even for letting other people...it's for ENCOURAGING it that they get in trouble. Similarly, a Sloth Servitor on a pep squad would rack up lots of Dissonance...but one who actively goes out there and gets people to, well, be slothful, should be fine... > character some other disad, like not having any Attunments from other > Superiors - just like all the other starting PC's. And it's really bad As you say; just like all the others. How's that a disadvantage? ("Alright, you can serve Sloth, but just to make things rough on you, you absolutely can't also serve everyone else. Ha." I dunno...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:14:44 -0600 (MDT) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> Rescue: 666 (kinda long seed) > > Though the only Canon case for the idea that Superiors can remove > >them is that Geasa are listed as an Ethereal Discord, and Superiors can > >definitely remove those in general... > Needs some firming up. Or one could just rule I think it would depend on the circumstances in any case...it is also true, from many sources, that a self-imposed Geas will stick solid regardless of duress, so as long as Novalis makes them do it that way, it wouldn't matter for the scenario anyway... I DON'T think a Superior-given Geas could be removed, even by another Superior, without the giver knowing about it...so even if it was managed, they'd have Novalis annoyed with them. > > True..though a Celestial with two Hearts is an odd concept...I > >think it would have very profound effects on their psyche, to say the > >least. > I don't think it *could* happen - the implications in Redemption I don't think it could either, actually, but it's an interesting thought, for bizarre circumstances... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:18:51 -0500 (CDT) From: rogue@ez-net.com (RogueLdr) Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #228 > >Has anyone toyed with any really strange automations like this? > >THANKS. > >Emily K. Dresner, M.S.Eng. >Computer Systems Consultant III >Medical Center Information Technology >Desktop Applications Team Here's an idea: how about if it chewed up the Forces of the poor Celestial fodder and spat out a bunch of Imps/Gremlins, with total forces equal to the fodder? >>Yes, but how many crazy Infernals are going to hurry over to see a >>Malkite of Dominic? > >Hmmmm..... I dunno -- it's not *that* dangerous. Malakim of Dominic >only harass angels and outcasts, right? Now, a Malakite of >Laurence or Michael... Or Gaby. I dunno... "Thou shalt not suffer an evil to live," remember? I'm sure Mr. Malakite would take a few minutes from his Outcast hunting schedule to knock some Demon so hard that he lives a Wile E. Coyote type hole in the ground in Hell somewhere. >> > > Just a question: Which winged animal would be her >> > (Novalis) celestial >> > >form?? >> > >> > Giant Hummingbird. >> > >> > (It's that "birds and bees" thing, y'know? Hummers are what hang >> > around flowers the most...) >> >> It doesn't need no justification! A Giant Hummingbird you asked, >> a Giant Hummingbird you've got!! I like it! >> >> Andre > >and her Word is Pollination, of course. [g,d,r] >tom t The Angel Of Pollination? Wouldn't she work for Eli? - -Rogue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:37:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> Calibim of Kronos with Belseraph attunement (Malakim) John Karakash noted; > Canon: The Balseraph of Fate Attunement is not available > to any other choir, sorry about that. Though the description only > say 'at character creation', I take that to mean that at the moment > the Balseraph chooses to serve Kronos, the attunement takes affect. Wouldn't that be equally assumed regarding any purchase of another Choir Attunement, though? I'd take that to note that this would just become a facet of the Demon's history, like anything else taken `at character creation'...(Though I'd taken it to be just that it was given to you at some point, since there are specific notes that it's possible to gain further Attunements, even from Superiors you don't serve, right in the midst of game play...) > The secondary but more practical reason is that it opens up a can > with an infinite number of worms inside of it. But..but...that's half the fun. {Honestly, John, I feel compelled to say this - we're all glad you're here. Having a Netrep and having the potential to get Canon answers to these little tangles is nice, and something not many games out there are offering...but personally, I do feel that if the Canon response is going to be, "Gosh, that's just too complicated", it may be better to just not GIVE one unless someone specifically asks. In this case, for example, no one had, and, in fact, we were doing pretty well at sorting out the stickier tangles...and having a good time doing it. So a Canon "We just don't want to open that can" is very disconcerting...at least to me. Even with my noted tendancy to cheerfully ignore Canon and do whatever I want anyway. } > BTW, Balseraphs can't take that attunement twice, either. Heh...I hadn't even thought of that one...can ANY Attunement be taken `twice'? (Can a Seraph of War pick that up *2 and subtract double his Corporeal Forces from an opponent's dodge..? Or an Ophanite of War go TWICE at the beginning of every combat? Or a Cherub of Flowers take TWICE the damage he heals? (Er...heheh...)) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 06:25:07 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: IN> Dumb Kyrio of Jean Tricks The key for a Kyrio of Jean is to max out possessing nine (for a beginner) different animals or items. Then when the actions starts, you can use (simultaneously!) the top nine dumb Kyrio of Jean tricks: 9. Possess a gun. Click! Safety on! Click! Clip ejected! 8. Possess your friend's jumpsuit. Sing Corporeal Song of Form. Armor! 7. Possess a sword. Sing Celestial Song of Form. Droop, sword, droop. 6. Possess necklace. Sing Numinous Corpus Claws. Extend...retract... extend...retract... (Of course, if it's a sharktooth necklace...) 5. Possess grenade. Eject pin. Unpossess grenade. 4. Possess shorts. Sing Numinous Corpus Tail. "Are you just glad to see me or...?" 3. Possess an Uzi. Sing Corporeal Song of Shields. Pull the trigger. Round and round the bullets go, and where they stop nobody knows--but probably mostly in the guy holding the Uzi! (Remember to undent the Uzi if needed.) 2. Possess earring. Sing Numinous Corpus Tongue. Try to touch the opposite earring. Be direct. And the #1 dumb Kyrio of Jean trick: 1. Possess pants. Zip...Zip-zip...Zip-zip...Zip-zip...Zip-zip...Zip-zip. When you get bored with that, Sing Numinous Corpus Acid. Having the Corporeal Song of Healing would be a good idea (for the pants, of course). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:16:22 +0300 (EET DST) From: Tapio Erola Subject: Re: IN> Yet another Word-bound... (Angel of Science Fiction) > How about a Kyriotate or Mercurian of Eli. He was *very* active in the > first half of the century. However, he upset Dominic and Laurance since he > tended to promote freer thinking than they preferred. Indeed, most of the > works and authors he inspired *were* strongly biased against organized > religion. Jean wasn't too happy about him jumping the gun on technology > either. When Eli disappeared, leaving him vulnerable, L&D were able to > bring all their weight to bare against him. From here I can see two > possiblities. Either they arranged for him to move under Jean who has kept > a leash on him or he Fell. SF is not dead. I would personally think that when Eli dropped out, he _assigned_ this angel to Jean. This act, while certainly stifling her activity, protected her from the brunt of L&D:s inquisition. Jean's not _too_ annoyed with her, since she doesn't transfer actual technology. She just inspires people to extrapolate from current and ask what if? questions. Remember that whatever they work out for themselves must be accepted as part of the symphony. Their working relationship is at least cordial. Nybbas has been actively opposing her from time immemorial, which has actually _promoted_ the good and creative stuff. She was assigned her name at 1890. She has 12 forces. Celestially she has steel wings and blue-white halo. You can probably guess what her variant of flaming sword is.... (Grin). - -- Tapio Erola txr@paju.oulu.fi (No mail to txr@sliver.oulu.fi please) Matrimony is not a word. It's a sentence. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 03:34:24 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Dead Superiors, Attunements (and Vessels) >>>This reminds me -- What happened to the servants of Uriel? I don't recall it being mentioned in the book. Uriel isn't dead, but he isn't available, either. Were his angels re-assigned to Laurence or Michael or Dominic? Or are they scattered about now, like those of Eli? Is a "seraph of Uriel, servitor to Dominic" different from a plain seraph of Dominic?<<< Most of Uriel's Servitors joined Laurence. A few went to Michael and Dominic. And a few went elsewhere. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 19:35:19 +1000 (EST) From: Peter Frederick Subject: IN> IN:> Odd Words Dear Kim (and List) having a demon with a Word that sounds like a Virtue, like my Demon of Patriotism, is one of my favourite things to start creation of a nasty Diabolical and Phasekiel (Angel of Heresy) would like me to remind everyone "it's all in your perspective." Yours Peter. Email to peterf@geko.net.au "Whoso loveth God truely must not expect to be loved by Him in return." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 08:25:49 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: IN> The next four releases I've gotten some firm dates on the next four releases. And knowning SJG's reluctance to part with such info unless it's pretty certain, you can probably count on them. Note that this does not include whatever 'acts of God' might interfere with getting them from the printer. Current scheduled ship dates: Night Music -- July 14 The Marches -- August 11 Heaven & Hell -- September 1 Angel Player's Guide -- September 29 - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:44:54 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> Dumb Kyrio of Jean Tricks At 06:25 AM 6/27/97 GMT, you wrote: >The key for a Kyrio of Jean is to max out possessing nine (for a beginner) >different animals or items. Then when the actions starts, you can use >(simultaneously!) the top nine dumb Kyrio of Jean tricks: > >9. Possess a gun. Click! Safety on! Click! Clip ejected! > Or, gun in holster? Pull trigger. >8. Possess your friend's jumpsuit. Sing Corporeal Song of Form. Armor! > Remember, while the Kyrio of Jean is possessing your jumpsuit, you *have* armor. Joe Celestial has his jumpsuit possessed by Frank Kyrio of Jean and comes across a demon with an uzi. Demon: rat-a-tat-tat-tat Joe: Hey, I didn't feel a thing! What's going on Frank? ...Frank? Quick! Is there a taylor in the house? >7. Possess a sword. Sing Celestial Song of Form. Droop, sword, droop. > That doesn't last very long though. >6. Possess necklace. Sing Numinous Corpus Claws. Extend...retract... >extend...retract... (Of course, if it's a sharktooth necklace...) > Hmmm.... Would you have to roll to hit? >4. Possess shorts. Sing Numinous Corpus Tail. "Are you just glad to see me >or...?" > Or... ...the Celestial Wedgee! -- Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 13:49:35 -0300 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: Re: IN> Your Word and your name Alexander Shearer wrote: > Malaria, Shedite of Malaria, servitor of ? (I vote against Saminga > straight > off...if anyone has good candidates for demon princes of > plague/contagion/pestilence, that'd be better) Don't forget the (why not?) Demon Prince of Leprosy, who's around for quite a long time and can influence some other contagious pestilences... But he would have less power each day - leprosy's not what it used to be... > Syphilis - I don't know, but I know who they serve... Maybe an Impudite, due to the closeness required to transmission... He was a Baron of Plague, but he lost his post to the a rather newbie Sheddim - the Demon of AIDS. This former Captain of Decay is now Baron and - secretly - runs for the Princedom, taking advantage of the decreasing power of leprosy in the world... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:57:04 -0300 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: IN> Novalis' Unauthorized Biography RogueLdr wrote: > >> > > Just a question: Which winged animal would be her > >> > (Novalis) celestial > >> > >form?? > >> > > >> > Giant Hummingbird. > >> > > >> > (It's that "birds and bees" thing, y'know? Hummers are what hang > >> > around flowers the most...) > >> > >> It doesn't need no justification! A Giant Hummingbird you > asked, > >> a Giant Hummingbird you've got!! I like it! > >> > >> Andre > > > >and her Word is Pollination, of course. [g,d,r] > >tom t > > The Angel Of Pollination? Wouldn't she work for Eli? Maybe she *did* work for Eli - 'till become an Archangel herself... Remember: She is the only Archangel, but Jordi, who is allied to Eli. And maybe Jordi was an Angel of Creation also... What about the Angel of Eggs?? Andre ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 16:40:34 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Rescue: 666 (kinda long seed) At 11:14 PM -0600 6/26/97, Kingsley Lintz wrote: >> > Though the only Canon case for the idea that Superiors can remove >> >them is that Geasa are listed as an Ethereal Discord, and Superiors can >> >definitely remove those in general... >> Needs some firming up. Or one could just rule > I think it would depend on the circumstances in any case...it is >also true, from many sources, that a self-imposed Geas will stick solid >regardless of duress, so as long as Novalis makes them do it that way, it >wouldn't matter for the scenario anyway... Mmmm... True 'nuff! > I DON'T think a Superior-given Geas could be removed, even by >another Superior, without the giver knowing about it...so even if it was >managed, they'd have Novalis annoyed with them. *Good* point! "I see you didn't want to play fairly..." "uh..." >> > True..though a Celestial with two Hearts is an odd concept...I >> >think it would have very profound effects on their psyche, to say the >> >least. >> I don't think it *could* happen - the implications in Redemption > I don't think it could either, actually, but it's an interesting >thought, for bizarre circumstances... Owch. I think I hurt something thinking about that notion and how to take advantage of it... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #230 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.