From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Jul 2 21:50:15 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA08143 for ; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 21:50:15 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA32074 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 2 Jul 1997 19:26:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 19:26:23 -0500 Message-Id: <199707030026.TAA32074@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #234 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, July 2 1997 Volume 01 : Number 234 In this digest: Re: IN> Yet another Word-bound... Re: IN> Yet another Word-bound... Re: IN> A Few Thoughts on Tethers... Re: IN> Your Word and your name IN> Kyrio/Shedim/Possession vs. Cherub/Djinn/Attraction questions Re: IN> Calibim of Kronos with Belseraph attunement (Malakim) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 09:38:56 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Yet another Word-bound... Jeff Miller wrote: "Was that [Kepler's story "Somnium" before or after the Chech story that introduced the word "robot"?" Long before. Kepler wrote in the 17th century Karl Capek wrote the play "R.U.R." in the early 20th. Before that, artificial versions of people were called "automata" or "homunculi." "R.U.R." stood for "Rossum's Universal Robots," the name of the company that manufactured the artificial people in the play. These people were made of synthetic flesh, by the way, not metal, plastic, and circuitry, and so would have been termed "androids" in later SF. Bringing this back to IN, a standard question regarding robots, androids, intelligent computers and AI generally is Do they have souls? The answer to this question might be easy for an IN character to get, but not the next question -- What do you DO about their souls? Earl Wajenberg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 10:37:53 -0700 From: "Nate Edel" Subject: Re: IN> Yet another Word-bound... >The first space-suit, courtesy of Nybbas? :> :Interesting. Was that before or after the Chech story that introduced the :word "robot"? Long before, IIRC. Kepler was, IIRC, late 17th Century, and the Czech story was IIRC early 20th. Nate ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 13:49:08 -0300 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: Re: IN> A Few Thoughts on Tethers... Michael C. Nutt wrote: > OK, you've got the Seneschal, who's probably the keystone of > the defenses. Might he have certain artifacts to aid him in his > defense, and > Soldiers and more junior celestials to man those defenses? If so, what > would > seem reasonable? An entire platoon of Soldiers and a dozen assistant > celestials seems excessive... Don't forget that the Seneschal is word-bound to his tether - he would gladly give up his life to protect it. And face a word-bound celestial fighting to the death to protect his word is a nasty experience indeed... Andre ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 14:20:37 -0300 From: Andre Ribeiro Subject: Re: IN> Your Word and your name Fredrik Stromberg wrote: > the Demon of AIDS works quite closely together with some > other Demons, take the Demon of Tubercolosis for an example that is > growing > stronger in the U.S. due to the sanitary and health-conditions of the > poor. > Hmm, quite and intrigue isn't it. Baron Sihddar of Plague, the Demon of AIDS, Sheddim servitor of Leprosy, *is* going for a coup d'etat over Kahnser, the Prince of Leprosy. The proof is in the number of other demons of Leprosy who have already sided with him - the Demon of Pneumonia, the Demon of Tuberculosis, the newbie Demon of Kaposi's Sarcoma... Sihddar gave all the old diseases new paths for manifestation and even less known ones are now on the headlines (Kaposi's Sarcoma didn't even have a Demon 'till Sihddar started patronizing it...). But old Kahnser is blind to all that stuff. The young Sihddar is his personal pride and he was glad to remove the barony from the Demon of Syphilis - he don't even suspects that he's the next step in Sihddar's way to the top... Andre ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 18:59:25 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: IN> Kyrio/Shedim/Possession vs. Cherub/Djinn/Attraction questions What is the interaction of Kyriotates, Shedim, and Song of Possession with attunings by Cherubim, Djinn, and Celestial Song of Attraction? First, if a Celestial is attuned in a host, does the attuning track the Celestial or the host? From the precedent of Impudites of Vapula seeing all the essense of a Kyriotate, it seems that the Celestial should be tracked instead of the host; only barring a successful perception that the Celestial is in a host and a choice to attune to the host instead. Now, what happens when the Celestial leaves the host? A Cherub--the model for the other attunings--holds his attuning, "As long as it exists on the corporeal plane" (p. 95, under Resonance). So one view would be that the attuning would be lost as soon as the attuned went celestial, but this has a problem since Djinn can track Shedim from host to host, though not, "as reliably" (p. 143, top). So, perhaps tracking through a host change should require a perception roll to hold the attuning. Naturally, Kyrios have their special problems. If someone attunes to a Kyrio, does he attune to all parts of the Kyrio? Given the Djinn of Vapula precedent and the Cherub ability to track pieces (p.96, Game Mechanics), it seems that attuning should track the entire Kyrio. To track multiple parts of a Kyrio at the same time (instead of just the biggest piece), Cherubs and Djinn should be limited to their natural limits on numbers of attunings, but I think they should be able to track multiple parts of Kyrios within those limits. A user of Celestial Song of Attraction has a link closer than touching to an attuned Kyrio, so I think he should be allowed to sing additional songs to track additional pieces until his initial attuning needs refreshing; at least he should be able to sing multiple songs while physically touching the Kyrio's host. Comments? Thoughts? Rulings? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 16:07:26 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Calibim of Kronos with Belseraph attunement (Malakim) At 10:25 PM -0400 6/30/97, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: [...] > If you want to look at another way, Balseraphs can 'lie' to >the Symphony so well, that they actually can function as an Angel! Does this mean they can take the Habbalah resonance, then? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #234 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.