From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Jul 3 17:57:48 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA29086 for ; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 17:57:47 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA01736 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 3 Jul 1997 16:06:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 16:06:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199707032106.QAA01736@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #235 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, July 3 1997 Volume 01 : Number 235 In this digest: Re: IN> Attunements Re: IN> Some Free Roaming Thoughts... Re: IN> Some Free Roaming Thoughts... Re: IN> Yet another Word-bound... Re: IN> Some Free Roaming Thoughts... Re: IN> Some Free Roaming Thoughts... IN> Adventure : Graduation Party Re: IN> Yet another Word-bound... Re: IN> GenCon Revisited Re: IN> Disturbance Q. Re: IN> Yet another Word-bound... IN> Nalrah roundup 1.233 Re: IN> Yet another Word-bound... Re: IN> Some Free Roaming Thoughts... Re: IN> Kyrio/Shedim/Possession vs. Cherub/Djinn/Attraction questions Re: IN> GenCon Revisited IN> Angel of SciFi Re: IN> Adventure : Graduation Party Re: IN> Grigori Outcasts Re: IN> Calibim of Kronos with Belseraph attunement (Malakim) Re: IN> Disturbance Q. Re: IN> Adventure : Graduation Party IN> Yet another Disturbance Q Re: IN> Adventure : Graduation Party Re: IN> Attunements IN> Grigori, etc. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 16:04:24 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Attunements At 10:03 PM -0400 6/30/97, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: >On Jun 24, 12:59am, zingaro@peak.org wrote: >> Subject: IN> Attunements >> >> Thank you for the lovely answers on Roles. Now, I have a new wrench. >> My Impudite [of Haagenti] wants to pick up the Lilim atttunement. >> It mentions the gesa/geas in the description -- is the geas part of >> the Lilim resonance? Or a side effect of it? > > The Geas is part of the Lilim Resonance so the Impudite >would not get it. But could the Impudite get the "wicked cook" part, where he spent a while in the kitchen and made something so delicious that the victim would have a hard time resisting eating it? Or is that (the cooking) hooking into the Lilim Resonance in a subtle way, as the "favor" that will enable the Geas to be laid? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 18:42:47 -0700 (PDT) From: nightgaunt@earthlink.net (Alexander Shearer) Subject: Re: IN> Some Free Roaming Thoughts... >2) While I liked the description of the Grigori given on this list/digest, >the Nephallim have left a bad taste in my mouth. If I'm reading the >description of the Grigori right, then *all* the Grigori fell. The >Nephallim were children of the Grigori: "Legends say that the children of >the Grigori created were... known... as the Nephallim...." You don't have to have them all fall, if you don't want to. Just randomly browsing through everyone's favorite resource (Dictionary of Angels) I happened upon a short list naming the Watchers who did /not/ fall. Alexander Shearer nightgaunt@earthlink.net gaunt@uclink4.berkeley.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 18:58:23 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Some Free Roaming Thoughts... At 12:45 PM -0400 7/1/97, Thomas Davidson wrote: [...] >3) [...] Who >was Jesus? Some claim he was the Son of God... is this necessarily true >(in game world)? If not, then who was he? And what role does he play in >the Symphony? Who was he? Well, that depends on what you believe... (And what the GM decides.) He's not around in the lower Heavens to answer any questions. Even angels debate about whether he was celestial or human (haven't found anyone willing to admit to having taken the Role: Jesus...). As on Earth, the celestials "pays their money and takes their chances".... At least, that's canon, methinks. You does what you wants to in your own games, of course. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 16:12:01 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Yet another Word-bound... At 5:57 AM -0400 7/1/97, Adam Canning wrote: >>From: Frank Lazar >>At 09:16 AM 6/27/97 +0300, you wrote: >>Hmmmm.... If you are a demon and you see an angel with a light saber and >>a bracelet that has a single large multicolored, glowing gem, what do you >do? > >To be precise:- "a platinum-iridium bracelet carrying, wrist-watch-wise, >a lenticular something. It appears to be comprised of thousands - >millions - of tiny gems, each of which emit pulsatingly all the colours >of the spectrum; it throws out - broadcasting - a turbulent flood of >writhing, polychromate light!" > >In other words a Lens of Arisia, favourite psionic tool of paladins >everywhere. > >The answer to the question is to ask it how it keeps to the light side of >the force while keeping to the code of the lens. [One requires any >and all force to be used to protect civilisation the other forbids >the use of mental powers to directly harm or in a state of anger]. [Obviously an Elohite -- use any and all force to protect, but in a state of Necessity, not anger...] >Then you go celestial and run for hell. Actually, I'd run first, and *then* wonder how it was working... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 97 18:19 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Some Free Roaming Thoughts... >2) While I liked the description of the Grigori given on this list/digest, >the Nephallim have left a bad taste in my mouth. If I'm reading the >description of the Grigori right, then *all* the Grigori fell. I believe the book says they were excommunicated, rather than Fell. I think all this is said to have happened before the Fall. Granted, the description of what happened to them is similar to what happens to angels who Fall. But the Grigori were exiled to Earth, not Hell, and there's no indication that they joined with Lucifer during the rebellion. They may be a "third side" in the War. > The >Nephallim were children of the Grigori: "Legends say that the children of >the Grigori created were... known... as the Nephallim...." And legends aren't always right. This seems to be a very weak statement, for canon. >Also, the description says, "beyond... the malevolent Nephallim, the >Grigori also engendered half-breed children, seemingly human yet >part-angel." Has anybody attempted to expand on these Children of the >Grigori There is a long description of them on p. 106... but I just wonder: > How many Forces do they have? What Songs (if any) are available to them? >Do they have any Choir Attunements? I've been playing with them a bit, and see 6-7 Forces as a good level -- after all, they shouldn't be *significantly* more powerful than humans, or they'd stand out more. The tack I'm taking is that they may have "intrinisic" Songs of any type, but not attunements. I.e., they may use some Song or fixed set of Songs (chosen at character creation) unconsciously, especially in critical situations -- the same sort of time a normal human might expend Essence. Thus, they account neatly for sorcerers, witches, and random miracle-workers, without necessarily being tremendously powerful. Some might gain conscious control of their Essence and their Songs, especially if they were trained by celestials. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 23:20:57 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> Some Free Roaming Thoughts... On Tue, 1 Jul 1997 12:45:40 -0400, "Thomas Davidson" wrote: >2) While I liked the description of the Grigori given on this list/digest, >the Nephallim have left a bad taste in my mouth. If I'm reading the >description of the Grigori right, then *all* the Grigori fell. The >Nephallim were children of the Grigori: "Legends say that the children of >the Grigori created were... known... as the Nephallim...." Since they're listed as a choir, they'd have to be Outcasts, not Fallen; though Demons might consider them Renegades. >Also, the description says, "beyond... the malevolent Nephallim, the >Grigori also engendered half-breed children, seemingly human yet >part-angel." Has anybody attempted to expand on these Children of the >Grigori There is a long description of them on p. 106... but I just wonder: > How many Forces do they have? What Songs (if any) are available to them? >Do they have any Choir Attunements? Just IMHO, I'd say Grigori-proper start with 9 Forces, just like any other Angel. Children have 5-9 Forces, depending on how much Grigori blood they have. Songs would be available. "[T]hey shun demons almost instinctively," and their duty was to watch over humans, so I'd say their Resonance is to detect demons, or perhaps all celestials. Maybe with check digits: 1. Demon or not 2. Whether demon, human, or angel. 3. Additionally, discord level and if outcast or renegade 4. Additionally, Choir or Band 5. Additionally, their Archangel or Prince 6. Additionally, immediate temporary superior Since their purpose was to help humans, harming humans would be Dissonant. To give them something as far as Attunements, while they wouldn't have access to Choir or Band Attunements or Distinctions, they've Watched so long, I'd give them access to Servitor attunements, angelic and demonic. That maybe gives them enough power to survive being hunted by both sides. Inherently anomalous, some Grigori would be exceptions to these rules; and any celestial dealing with one will have to worry about Dominic and Asmodeus. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 00:20:19 +0100 (BST) From: maya@tcp.co.uk (GR Cogman) Subject: IN> Adventure : Graduation Party GRADUATION BASH - --------------- This adventure is set at IOU: while it could theoretically be run at some other institution of learning, you'd have to remove the ArchDean and other fun elements. It's suitable to demons, angels, or a mixed party. Setup - ----- The affair starts at IOU University, at the latest graduation. The players may be there as representatives of their Superiors, or in order to see some contact, or as members of Campus Security, or as part of a demonic or angelic raiding force who are about to mistakenly assault the walls (whoops) and get shoehorned into doing the ArchDean a "little favour". Punctuating the evening are the pranks of K.K, Lilim of Dark Humour, who may be found among the character archives. While she is not fully conversant with the plans of tonight's villains, she has picked up a few clues, and may be of some help. If the players don't kill her first. Also scheduled is an attempt by some demons (or angels, if you're feeling vicious) to attack the walls, being under the false impression that this is really planned. (Harder to misinform angels, though.) It's a setup to distract from the main event, which is: A mass kidnap of a dozen or so students from the graduation, by agents of Mammon and Alaemon. They intend to use them in (a) a ritual to corrupt the Mall from being a tether of Marc/Trade to being a tether of Mammon/Greed (this is the Mammon plan), and (b) in a darker ritual to assault the Tether in the IOU library, and corrupt it so that it is no longer a Tether. (This is the Alaemon plan). The agents of Mammon believe that theirs is the primary scheme. The agents of Alaemon know theirs is the primary scheme, and they're just letting the Mammonites be targets and distractions. Diabolical fun. Matters are complicated by the fact that among the snatched students are a couple of Children of the Grigori. The ArchDean wants them back (well, wants all the students back) asap, but would not like Certain Superiors to know precisely about the matter. It could be awkward. Distinctly. She needs, therefore, someone efficient and unobtrusive to solve this problem. Or, well, whoever's available.. K.K.'s Amusements - ----------------- These will be running through Graduation, as and when the Lilim can stage them. Use for maximum confusion and amusement. (Yours, not theirs.) She does know that servitors of Mammon and Alaemon are planning something _big_ tonight, and can be persuaded to tell this (and to give details, if your PCs need them) via a Geas or two, or exceptional cleverness, or by threatening to give proof of her misdeeds to the ArchDean. (This will require persuading the Geased parties to testify, though, which _could_ be hard.) a) Lucia, Seraph of Dominic, who owed K.K. a "little favour" and who was scheduled to make certain announcements, is now going to be doing so in a white latex outfit which would do credit to a Balseraph of Andrealphus. b) Bragantus, Calabite of Belial (I think I have that correctly) and Allisa, Ofanite of Gabriel, are due to open the dance with an exhibition tango. (This cost her a couple of heavy geases, but she figures it'll be worth it.) c) An Impudite of Andrealphus is due to spike the non-alcoholic punch with some vodka. This didn't take much geasing. d) Others to suit. The Diversion - ------------- At a suitable point in the evening, the abovementioned demons or angels will assault the outer wall, believing that they are acting on orders from their Superiors. They've been set up to fail. This will draw the attention of Campus Security in a big way. If you like, the (captured) raiding party will be assigned the job of "finding out what's going on" by the ArchDean. There are other tools beside Geases, though Geases work very well. There is, for instance, the threat to send to Asmodeus the photos she has of them talking with Celestials. She doesn't have any photos? Somebody pass her a camera. The Real Sting - -------------- During the commotion, a dozen or so students have been hauled away through the stage door, by the raiding party (a Balseraph of Alaemon, a few Djinns of his, a Habbalite to keep the students in a state of fear and confusion, an Impudite of Mammon and several Calabim). This was assisted by all the chaos in the hall at the time - it must, regretfully, be stated that Celestials and Demonics both assumed that the other party was behind it all, and a number of "unpleasant little squabbles" took place. Till the ArchDean appeared and stopped it. After getting outside the Hall (the main university hall where the graduation was taking place) the demonic forces split: the Mammonites headed for the Mall, with several of the students, while the Alaemonites headed for the Steam Tunnels, with intent to come up under the Library, with the other students. (The Alaemonites, by sheer chance and GM fiat, got the two Children of the Grigori present.) The Archdean is _furious_. The players, for one reason or another, are going to get the job of sorting things out: whether they're Campus Security, Geased previous attackers, staff, or merely the nearest live bodies in whom she has some confidence. Probable Events - --------------- The ArchDean will rapidly identify which students are missing. Interrogation of witnesses will get the PCs to outside the Hall, and _may_ let them identify that the demonic group split up. K.K., cunning use of abilities (where appropriate), possible witnesses, and the like can help them work out what's going on. Possibly the bad guys left an agent behind to keep an eye on things. It will also be possible to trace the Mammonites' passage off Campus to the Mall: if captured/stopped, the Mammonites can be persuaded to squeal on the Alaemonites. Of the two parties, the Alaemonites are the more serious threat. (At least, the ArchDean will consider them so, especially considering that they have the C of the G with them.) Their ritual needs performing at dawn, and will involve sacrificing the kidnapped students, and then doing their best to burn down the library. While the ArchDean _will_ spot them at this point, it would be more fun if the PCs can trace them earlier. Notes - ----- This is a chance to dump plenty of your favourite NPCs around the place. It's unlikely that Superiors will be present (though if they are, that's probably why the ArchDean is busy: keeping them out of the way). It might make a good LARP or Con adventure, given the set time frame and enclosed space. Many thanks to K.K. (and her alternate identity the Archangel Beth) whose writing of IOU inspired this, and who helped me work out details. Opinions, as ever, welcome. Maya - --- Maya, Elohim of Eli in service to Blandine maya@tcp.co.uk - -- "There are those who say that wizards are subject to temptations and addictions beyond the understanding of ordinary men: the addiction to shape-changing, or to meditation under the influence of certain herbs and conditions of the stars; the obsession with knowledge, and the development of power. Yet this is not so. Temptation is temptation, obsession is obsession, and choice is choice." - Isar Chelladan, Precepts of Wizardry. -- "Dog Wizard", Barbara Hambly. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 15:56:31 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> Yet another Word-bound... At 10:37 AM 7/1/97 -0700, you wrote: >>The first space-suit, courtesy of Nybbas? >:> >:Interesting. Was that before or after the Chech story that introduced >the >:word "robot"? > >Long before, IIRC. Kepler was, IIRC, late 17th Century, and the Czech >story was IIRC early 20th. > That's why I never did well in history... ...it's that date thing. -- Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 09:34:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Shadowcat Subject: Re: IN> GenCon Revisited * I would be up for a game, just tell me the time and place and I'll be there. Shadowcat All cats may look upon a king. No comment on the Queen ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 08:45:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Austin George Loomis Subject: Re: IN> Disturbance Q. Well, I've seen other people's opinions on Martin L's question and thought I'd add my US$0.02 while it was still almost relevant. My house rule is that a disturbance to the Symphony "lasts" for a number of minutes equal to its degree. Any disturbance sufficiently close to it within that time-frame accumulates with it as described on p.IN55. (This is based on the rules for determining how long echoes last.) Austin George "Just an opinion, worth what you paid for it" Loomis, MiSTie #84029 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 15:58:44 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> Yet another Word-bound... At 09:38 AM 7/1/97 -0500, you wrote: > >Bringing this back to IN, a standard question regarding robots, >androids, intelligent computers and AI generally is Do they have souls? >The answer to this question might be easy for an IN character to get, >but not the next question -- What do you DO about their souls? > I'd say only if Vapula bound someone into it. -- Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 08:43:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Austin George Loomis Subject: IN> Nalrah roundup 1.233 Re: IN> Yet another Word-bound... On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, at 11:12:58 ??T, Jeff Miller wrote: >At 10:10 AM 6/28/97 -0500, you wrote: [B5] >>Ah. Indeed. Obviously I need to be watching it. (First, though, I >>need to be where there's a station that shows it at a reasonable hour, >>as opposed to 11:30 pm Saturday.) >> >Well, if you get cable, they'll be on TNT daily, M-F at about 7:00pm in >January. > Ironically, I found out about that roughly five minutes after sending out the comment. On the same day, at 11:27:44, Jeff wrote: >At 07:50 AM 6/29/97 -0500, you wrote: >>On Fri, 27 Jun 1997, at 12:10:24 ??T, Jeff Miller wrote: >>[Tapio Erola wrote:] >>>>SF is not dead. >>> >>>No not dead but different from the way it started. It started with a >>>"Gosh, I wonder what's out there," "won't it be grand" and "if there's a >>>problem, we can fix it" in the first half of the century. >> >>Early Heinlein best exemplifies this -- it's escapist literature, as >>SF has been accused of being, in that it suggests escape hatches for >>problems the mainstream didn't yet recognize as problems (cf "Blowups >>Happen"). >> >Well, that last probably annoyed Jean since nuclear power wasn't supposed >to be public yet. > Maybe, maybe not. The story was within a couple of years of when the Italian navigator (Fermi) reached the new world, but I forget in which direction. >I was also thinking of early Clarke. > Ah. Indeed. Like the story that established that it is possible to breathe vacuum for short periods of time, if one absolutely must. >>>In the >>>seventies, it started moving toward, insurmountable problems and fear for >>>the future. >> >>This was there all along too, just not as common -- again, the Admiral >>provides an example ("Solution Unsatisfactory"). >> >Yep. And things like _This Perfect Day_ which were inspired by Andre >working with Nybs. > _Perfect Day_ strikes me as a blend of _Brave New World_ and Ayn Rand's _Anthem_, with probably a dash of Zamiatin's _We_ (which I keep meaning to read but can never find) thrown in. >>>So I have to think that either the Angel of SF fell or became >>>really quiet for a while and a demon of Nybbas gained power. >> >>Works for me. (No Heinlein quote this time, except to note that "Job: >>a comedy of justice" is interesting reading for those running a humorous >>IN campaign.) >> >Definatly Kobal influence.... > Sounds about right. >>>In the late >>>80's it began turning back around and uplifting SF is once again becomming >>>popular. So maybe the Angel of SF was redeemed or maybe Jean let him/her >>>become more public once again to start fighting the demon. >>> >>That'll win. (Did you notice that Tapio didn't actually give a name >>to his hypothetical version of the angel?) >> >That's OK, I have a hard time coming up with names myself. > Oh well. And at 11:43:43, he added: >At 09:20 AM 6/30/97 -0500, you wrote: [...] >>Negative, alarming, and gloomy science fiction did not have to wait >>for the '70s to be born. The '50s and '60s saw plenty of cautionary >>tales about the new threat of nuclear holocaust. Pohl and Kornbluth >>invented the dystopia of the megacorporations in the '60s (or maybe >>'50s; I'm not sure). >> >So, it looks like they'be been going toe to toe for a longer time. Sounds like it, aye. >However, I think that in the really early days, there weren't any angels or >demons of SF. Just human invention. It's just that in the early 1900s, SF >took a turn toward the extreemly positive and in the late 60s and 70s it >took a sharp turn in the other direction. > Even the positive turn could be Nybbas' influence -- remember, the Media Prince is said to be relentlessly, terrifyingly cheery. >>By the way, for the ultimate SF-IN tie-in, the first science fiction >>story in the world (in my opinion) was "Somnium" ("Dream") by the >>astronomer Johannes Kepler, in which he describes, with scientific >>accuracy that is still pretty good, a trip to the moon. [...] >> >Interesting. Was that before or after the Chech story that introduced the >word "robot"? > Decidedly before. Capek's R.U.R. dates from the 1920s. On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, at 14:36:05 EET/DST, Tapio Erola wrote: [...] >Naaah. Don't take that seriously. The toys are just cool props. >Something she had had made. > The "Lens" could still be a relic, imbued with Ethereal Tongues. >I'll be posting the complete version of this word-bound angel sometime >soon. At least my interpretation of her. > I await. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 1997 10:36:41 -0400 From: "Kirt A. Dankmyer -- aka Loki" Subject: Re: IN> Some Free Roaming Thoughts... >2) While I liked the description of the Grigori given on this list/digest, >the Nephallim have left a bad taste in my mouth. If I'm reading the >description of the Grigori right, then *all* the Grigori fell. The >Nephallim were children of the Grigori: "Legends say that the children of >the Grigori created were... known... as the Nephallim...." If you're referring to my version of the Nephallim, I do cover that point... As for all the Grigori being Fallen, yes, traditionally, that is the case. But the In Nomine rulebook doesn't really say -- it just says they were "tripped up", spiritually speaking. In Nomine has the unique category of Outcasts, so I thought it would be more interested if all the Grigori were members of the Tripped. -Loki - -- Kirt A. Dankmyer --- Academic Computing Specialist http://www.wfu.edu/~dankmyka/ -- (910) 759-4202 -- PGP public key available. For the Snark _was_ a Boojum, you see. --Lewis Carroll ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Jul 97 18:40 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Kyrio/Shedim/Possession vs. Cherub/Djinn/Attraction questions >Now, what happens when the Celestial leaves the host? A Cherub--the model >for the other attunings--holds his attuning, "As long as it exists on the >corporeal plane" (p. 95, under Resonance). So one view would be that the >attuning would be lost as soon as the attuned went celestial, Going celestial leaves you on the corporeal plane still -- you have to take a separate action to ascend to the celestial plane itself. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 20:56:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: Re: IN> GenCon Revisited > I would be up for a game, just tell me the time and place and I'll > be there. Well, if no one else is going to do one, my wife and I may do one Thursday night in our hotel room. It would be demon-preferred. If you are interested, please email me (mudgb4@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu) or my wife (mudmh10@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu). We are currently arguing over who gets stuck Gming; it may end up with the two of us con-Gming. > Shadowcat Oops da Ogre, and we just broke down and bought a hardback version of IN Demonic cover, of course. I loved some of the looks I got. ;'} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 10:12:49 +0300 (EET DST) From: Tapio Erola Subject: IN> Angel of SciFi Nirel, Mercurian of Eli in service to Jean. Angel of Science Fiction Forces: 14 (56) Corporeal: 4 Ethereal: 5 Celestial: 5 Str: 6 Int: 12 Will: 10 Agi: 10 Pre: 8 Perc: 10 Songs: Motion/3 (Cel. SFX: TNG transporter effect), Attraction(Eth)/2, Dreams(Cel)/2, Tongues(Eth)/3, Charm(Cel)/3 ('You do not need to see his identification...'), Form(Corp)/2, Possession/3 (20) Skills: Comp ops/1, Fighting/1(Karate), Electronics/2, Knowledge/4 (SciFi) Driving/1 (Car). Attunements: Seraphim of Eli, Mercurian of Eli (5) Resources: Vessel/2 charisma/1 (Hits 16) (No role) (6) Artifacts: Flaming Sword/3 (SFX:Lightsaber) (6) Bracelet/1 (Song of possession/3, Attuned to owner and nobody else. Big, multicolored gem.) (10) Change of Invocation: 2 (Always open for intelligent discussion) Invocation Modifiers: +1 Copy of Starlog, etc. Well read. +2 Paperback copy of good SciFi Novel +3 Hardback copy of Excellent SciFi novel, signed by author. +4 A good mint-condition hardback series signed by author (Foundation trilogy, Dune trilogy, Lensman Series, etc.) +5 In large SciFi Convention. +6 Unpublished work of Excellent quality from Famous author. Nirel was assigned her word 1890 and was there directly inspiring Jules Verne. She rapidly gained power in twenties and thirties, encouraging people to dream of progress and to do something about it. Jean disliked her mode of operation, as he thought she was slipping heavenly secrets to mundanes before time. (Nirel doesn't see it this way. She just drives people to extrapolate and speculate, leaving humans to work it out themselves.) Both Lawrence and Dominic had her pegged down as heretic and moved her name high on their blacklist. When Eli dropped out, however, he _assigned_ her to Jean, who curbed her activity severely for decades. This act, however, saved Nirel from brunt of inquisition. She has always been a literary type, intensely (and mutually) despising Nybbas (Who encourages stupidity and illiteracy). She _has_ promoted some movies (ie. 2001) and TV series (Star Trek, etc.). However, there has been _serious_ fighting behind every script. Lately, however, Nybbas has been switching tactics and arranging for several big-budget 'Good' SciFi movies. This has resulted in flics like T2 and ID4. It is uncertain as yet how she will respond. Her personality is open, optimistic and witty. A new kid in named block, she has operated enthusiastically to prove her commitment. She often quotes various works, using sometimes strange terms and even stranger expressions. Sometimes her humor borders kobalic and her friends have orders to correct her if it is getting dangerous for her soul. She has no permanent role, moving in fandom and other circles. Her Corporeal Song of Form allows her to select various guises and various assumed names. She is little mischievous and often moves around in guises of several fictional characters. (Not in Conventions or _those_ circles!) Her favourites include: - -Sandra Vick: Cool as ice research assistant with brunette, curly hair. (Slightly pointed ears and slanted eyebrows) - -Frank Poole, Airforce Pilot. - -Cordelia Naismith, redhead middle-aged woman with cutting intellect. - -Killashandra Ree, Geologist. You can probably continue the list ad infinitum. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Jul 97 12:08 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Adventure : Graduation Party > The affair starts at IOU University, at the latest graduation. The What does the "U" stand for...? >K.K.'s Amusements >----------------- > > These will be running through Graduation, as and when the Lilim can >stage them. Use for maximum confusion and amusement. (Yours, not theirs.) Why would a GM want to maximally confuse himself? Never mind.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 11:08:43 -0600 (MDT) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> Grigori Outcasts > >the Nephallim have left a bad taste in my mouth. If I'm reading the > >description of the Grigori right, then *all* the Grigori fell. The > "tripped up", spiritually speaking. In Nomine has the unique category of > Outcasts, so I thought it would be more interested if all the Grigori were > members of the Tripped. That's very much how I've read it...if only on the note that if the Grigori had actually Fallen, there'd presumably be listed the corresponding Band. The description says they were "excommunicated" and "doomed to walk the Earth", which is different from the demons being cast down to Hell... (My primary theory is that, as their punishment for having gone so native, they were more or less made to hold to that - they all have the Bound Discord at a high level.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 09:41:20 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Calibim of Kronos with Belseraph attunement (Malakim) > > If you want to look at another way, Balseraphs (of Kronos) can 'lie' to > >the Symphony so well, that they actually can function as an Angel! > > Does this mean they can take the Habbalah resonance, then? Suuuuuuuuure, why not? O;) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 10:00:09 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Disturbance Q. On Jul 2, 8:45am, Austin George Loomis wrote: > Subject: Re: IN> Disturbance Q. > Well, I've seen other people's opinions on Martin L's question and thought I'd > add my US$0.02 while it was still almost relevant. > > My house rule is that a disturbance to the Symphony "lasts" for a number of > minutes equal to its degree. Any disturbance sufficiently close to it > within that time-frame accumulates with it as described on p.IN55. (This > is based on the rules for determining how long echoes last.) That's a reasonable ruling. I prefer to leave it up to the individual GM's depending on what best serves the story. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 14:55:31 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Adventure : Graduation Party At 12:08 PM -0400 7/3/97, Walter Milliken wrote: >> The affair starts at IOU University, at the latest graduation. The > >What does the "U" stand for...? It was put in by the Department of Redundancy Department. >>K.K.'s Amusements >>----------------- >> >> These will be running through Graduation, as and when the Lilim can >>stage them. Use for maximum confusion and amusement. (Yours, not theirs.) > >Why would a GM want to maximally confuse himself? Never mind.... All GMs are sado-masochists. If they weren't masochists, they wouldn't run games for crazy PCs (just look at Karakash running for your Kyrio...), and if they weren't sadists, they wouldn't delight so much in tormenting the poor crazy PCs... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 11:00:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Martin Leslie Leuschen Subject: IN> Yet another Disturbance Q A demon unloads his uzi into the Vienna Boy's Choir, killing 50 CorpF1 humans. The resulting DoD is 550. At the next recital, the demon brings a .44 and 10 of his best friends - again, between them they kill 50. According to the rules, the DoD is 55 each, but in theory, the actual disturbance to the Symphony is identical to the first case (50 humans died.) - it makes sense that it should be as Loud. To take it to the extreme, the Demon brings a few million Imps in Killer Bee vessels to the next recital - they swarm the choir, 50 deaths from 1/10 point bee stings (effectively simultaneous) result. DoD here is effectively nil, but the same thing has happened. (Some GMs may be picky and assign the `blame' for each human death to a particular imp, in this case, imagine Termite imps taking out a building worth 550 disturbance.) Do I have this right? It seems like something of a loophole to me. Regards, Martin Leuschen martinl@rice.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 19:39:44 +0100 (BST) From: maya@tcp.co.uk (GR Cogman) Subject: Re: IN> Adventure : Graduation Party >> The affair starts at IOU University, at the latest graduation. The > >What does the "U" stand for...? My error: IOU, where U stands for university. I stands for Illuminati. You're not classified to know what the O stands for. (I'm not sure that anyone short of the ArchDean is. :)) >>K.K.'s Amusements >>----------------- >> >> These will be running through Graduation, as and when the Lilim can >>stage them. Use for maximum confusion and amusement. (Yours, not theirs.) > >Why would a GM want to maximally confuse himself? Never mind.... Their confusion, your amusement: K.K. clearly got at my grammar checker. Darn Lilims get everywhere. Maya - --- Maya, Elohim of Eli in service to Blandine maya@tcp.co.uk - -- "There are those who say that wizards are subject to temptations and addictions beyond the understanding of ordinary men: the addiction to shape-changing, or to meditation under the influence of certain herbs and conditions of the stars; the obsession with knowledge, and the development of power. Yet this is not so. Temptation is temptation, obsession is obsession, and choice is choice." - Isar Chelladan, Precepts of Wizardry. -- "Dog Wizard", Barbara Hambly. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 09:57:35 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Attunements > >> Thank you for the lovely answers on Roles. Now, I have a new wrench. > >> My Impudite [of Haagenti] wants to pick up the Lilim atttunement. > >> It mentions the gesa/geas in the description -- is the geas part of > >> the Lilim resonance? Or a side effect of it? > > > > The Geas is part of the Lilim Resonance so the Impudite > >would not get it. > > But could the Impudite get the "wicked cook" part, where he spent > a while in the kitchen and made something so delicious that the > victim would have a hard time resisting eating it? > > Or is that (the cooking) hooking into the Lilim Resonance > in a subtle way, as the "favor" that will enable the Geas > to be laid? The cooking sets up the potential for the Geas, but only a Lilim can take advantage of it. The actual _cooking_ attraction/skill itself is a gift from Haagenti. ('S one of the best reasons for a Lilim to serve him, IMO. Wouldn't it be _easy_ for a Lilim to get a job as a cook for someone important... perhaps a governor that might become president one day? Then that president shows up with a obvious craving for fast food... Heh, heh, heh.) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Jul 1997 14:43:39 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Grigori, etc. >>>This just makes you wonder what further purpose Yves has in mind for Gabriel as the war plays itself out, doesn't it?<<< Doesn't it, though? ;) >>>Also, it seems that Dominic is skating on thin ice in the Heavenly Host. If he finds himself "balked by Yves" the one who "name[d] God", then Dominic certainly seems to be in serious danger of being heretical himself, doesn't he?<<< Yves doesn't make accusations of heresy. Think of him as the one guy who can appeal Dominic's rulings to a higher court... >>>2) While I liked the description of the Grigori given on this list/digest, the Nephallim have left a bad taste in my mouth. If I'm reading the description of the Grigori right, then *all* the Grigori fell.<<< It's probably more accurate to say they all became Outcasts. Some Fell, some didn't. >>>Has anybody attempted to expand on these Children of the Grigori There is a long description of them on p. 106... but I just wonder: How many Forces do they have? What Songs (if any) are available to them? Do they have any Choir Attunements?<<< They wouldn't have Choir attunements since they are not angels, they're humans. They might have Songs, and I'd guess they'd have more Forces than the average human (though not as many as the average angel). >>>3) Christianity is mentioned several times throughout the text (though, a Christianity I'm not familiar with). This also leads me to wonder: Who was Jesus? Some claim he was the Son of God... is this necessarily true (in game world)? If not, then who was he? And what role does he play in the Symphony?<<< This is something that I believe will deliberately be left undefined in the official In Nomine universe. Note that even the Archangels don't agree on the nature of Jesus's divinity, which means there are some mysteries that only God knows the answer to. - -David ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #235 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.