From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Aug 10 09:18:13 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00771 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 09:18:13 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA18305 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 10 Aug 1997 08:16:11 -0500 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 08:16:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199708101316.IAA18305@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #286 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, August 10 1997 Volume 01 : Number 286 In this digest: IN> In Nomine Sterotypes : IN> Requesting guidance on human use of Essence IN> One Ring to Rule them All Re: IN> Drew Angel of Sexuality IN> The Austin question Re: IN> Night Music - Comments and hopes IN> The Crusades Re: IN> The Austin question Re: IN> The Austin question Re: IN> Night Music - Comments and hopes IN> Night Music Error Re: : IN> Requesting guidance on human use of Essence IN> Introductions IN> IN, Contact and Stuff Re: IN> Drew Angel of Sexuality Re: IN> Dominic is not a Bad Guy Re: IN> Drew Angel of Sexuality IN> PERCEIVING CELESTIALS Re: IN> Drew Angel of Sexuality Re: IN> Drew Angel of Sexuality RE: IN> Dominic is not a Bad Guy Re: IN> In Nomine IN> Lucifer's First Job ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 05:26:18 -0400 From: Adam Canning Subject: IN> In Nomine Sterotypes From: Kim Foster >I just thought of some of these sterotypes in In Nomine. Anyone have any more? I was trying to come up with as many as possible to try and avoid for awhile in my game (futile I know but still I try...) < All Elohim are Vulcans All Balseraphs are suave and sophisticated Servitors of Novalis are flaky new age hippies Servitors of Janus are kleptomaniac adrenaline junkies. Angels get no fun out of life Adam Canning Dahak@Compuserve.Com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 05:26:24 -0400 From: Adam Canning Subject: : IN> Requesting guidance on human use of Essence From: maya@tcp.co.uk (GR Cogman) >What I am trying to work out is if a 5-force-human could put all his Essence into one effort, if he were rote-following some song, and just copying the tune/pattern and singing his heart out. Technically, they can't use Songs directedly. I'm just wondering if they could be coached and shoved into producing an undirected low-power Song this way.< First Thought: IN page32 says Mundane Humans [Non Soldiers] cannot use Songs because they are not in touch with the Symphony. This implies that there is more to a song than just its audible component. [Presumably a Mental one.] Second Thought : Wouldn't it just be simpler to enhance someone to Soldier level, since directed essence use is going to attract attention, the person singing would be safer that way. Third Thought: What do you want to use this for? Fourth Thoght: One of the Children of the Gregori could probably do what you are describing, without knowing the he could do more. Adam Canning Dahak@Compuserve.Com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 05:26:07 -0400 From: Adam Canning Subject: IN> One Ring to Rule them All "Hart, Joanna" >Owner: Asmodeus (probably has the best claim although Solomon might < Night Muisic p 45 Relics of the Vatican, has the Ring of Solomon in the collection available to the Purifiers. The power listed is to summon Angels. but here we hit the problem with Derek Pearcy calling fallen Cherubs, Djinn, rather than something which doesn't turn up in the Koran. Adam Canning Dahak@Compuserve.Com 1Kings 8:6 And the priests brought the ark of the covenant of the LORD to its place, into the oracle of the house, to the most holy place, even under the wings of the cherubim. From THE CHAPTER OF SEBA And we did give David grace from us, 'O ye mountains! echo (God's praises) with him, and ye birds!' and we softened for him iron: 'Make thou coats of mail and adapt the rings thereof, and do right; verily, I at what ye do do look.' And to Solomon the wind; its morning journey was a month, and its evening journey was a month; and we made to flow for him a fountain of molten brass; and of the ginns some to work before him by the permission of his Lord; From THE CHAPTER OF THE ANTS And Solomon was David's heir; and said, 'O ye folk! we have been taught the speech of birds, and we have been given everything; verily, this is an obvious grace!' And assembled for Solomon were his hosts of the ginns, and men, and birds, and they were marshalled; until they came upon the valley of the ants. Said an ant, 'O ye ants! go into your dwellings, that Solomon and his hosts crush you not while they do not perceive.' ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 20:51:33 -0400 From: "Joel Mathis" Subject: Re: IN> Drew Angel of Sexuality I like this angel. I have been putting some thought into how angels and demons would handle sexuality in the In Nomine setting. I'm new to the list, so I'm sorry if I'm beating a very dead horse even deader. IMHO, demons would be focused on the selfish sexual act. Sex that's about you, not about the other person. Interestingly enough, this is the sex that is being advanced by the media for the most part. On the other hand, angels would view sex as being about the other person, helping them get the most out of the sexual experiance. Again sorry if this has already been discussed to death. Joel Mathis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:52:59 -0400 From: "Joshua Knorr" Subject: IN> The Austin question While only a few people have fallen over themselves to blast SJG for putting the Austin stuff, I haven't heard all that many people praising it, either. I haven't (I sure could be wrong) heard anyone speak up about how they are rushing to set (or re-set) their campaign in Austin. For the record, I think the Austin stuff is pretty good, but I'm taking my game in another direction. Although, there are some really good NPCs in there who are sure to make guest appearances (particularly Mulgrew, Demon Hunter! {tm}). Despite these facts, I feel that is was definitely worthwhile to put in Austin. As it seems, most people who oppose to Austin are opposed to have _any_ setting material intermingled with rules material. This sentiment is certainly understandable, as I'm sure a lot of us were GURPS fans before we read In Nomine, and GURPS is, after all, the pre-eminent 'meta' system. However, IN is not GURPS. It reminds me a lot of another favorite game of mine, Call of Cthulhu. As anyone who has played (or ran) CoC will tell you, it is very hard game to GM effectively. Unless done *just right*, it easily and quickly degenerates into nothing but a parade of blubbering demigods and psycho cultists. The devil (so to speak) is in the details and, in this case, in the subtle Lovecraftian horror. Almost everything Chaosium releases for CoC is setting material, and I think that's a smart move. It's all about setting and mood. IN is a very similar game, in that respect. On the surface, hey, what could be more straightforward than angels and demons? You've got your good side, your bad side, all laid out right in front of you. Just let 'em have at it! And that is a perfectly acceptable way to run a game. But I think the spirit of the game is more in just the opposite. The back cover text _perfectly_ sums up the mood of the book. For me, at least, IN Austin was kind of a case study in how (and how not) to give some much needed complexity to the universe of In Nomine. The angels and demons are NOT synonymous with good and evil. The concepts they embody are much more complex than that. The truce is an example of how the interests of the two sides are not always at direct odds - enemies aren't necessarily the ones with the horns (or the halos). The basic rules feel a little rushed. Well, rushed is a bad word. Cramped is a decidedly better one. There's a lot of stuff that is needed to give the game depth (ESPECIALLY the Superiors), and we're getting it doled out in small chunks - which is how it needs to be, if SJG is to make any sort of money from In Nomine. And depth doesn't just mean rules and tables - it also means mood and setting. I'd love to see more settings, although preferably in their own book, if only because there is so much more stuff that is more important. But for this one time, the first (of hopefully many!) supplement, Austin was definitely needed, to help flesh out the more psychological elements to the game universe. Joshua Knorr A conservative is a liberal who has just been mugged. A liberal is a conservative who has just been booked. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 15:30:10 +0900 From: Dave Conrad Subject: Re: IN> Night Music - Comments and hopes James Rand wrote: > While we're on the subject of metal and Superiors: > > David is the AA of Power Metal; Saminga is the DP of... you got it, > Death Metal; Yves is the AA of Neo-classical Metal; Michael is the AA > of Metal Solos (and therefore would be Yngwie's Superior if it > weren't for the fact that Y.M. is a Balseraph); Well, if everyone is going celestial, Mike could be Joe Satriani's superior. - -- Dave C. iN*T*x "To break the rules is to break the spell" - C. Lasch ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 07:00:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tony Zbaraschuk Subject: IN> The Crusades >Didn't. The Crusades began largely because of Christian >aggression. The resulting Moslem attacks on Christian-held >lands were the greatest threat Christianity had faced since >Rome. Actually, this is almost exactly 180 degrees out of line... The Crusades came after almost 450 years of Muslim aggression, and in fact the direct trigger was a request from the Byzantine Emperor to the Pope for aid after the Turks begun pouring into Anatolia. (It is true that things went notoriously wrong in the Fourth Crusade, but that was more than a hundred years later, and things had changed by then.) Tony Z ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 12:10:43 -0400 From: "Michael Stanley" Subject: Re: IN> The Austin question >On: Friday, August 08, 1997 at 8:52PM >Joshua Knorr said this about -The Austin Question- > I haven't (I sure could be wrong) heard anyone speak up about how they are > rushing to set (or re-set) their campaign in Austin. Just for the record. I love the Austin setting and, despite being a GM with ten years of experience (who has often used his home town as a setting), I am definitely going to use it (at least in the beginning of my campaign). Night Music is the best gaming supplement that I've read in a long time (despite a number of typos, one of which is greatly annoying). I can only hope that The Marches and Heaven and Hell will be as good. SJGames is right on track with the In Nomine line thus far and I hope they continue with this level of quality. L8R - -Michael Stanley- stanman@netset.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 11:15:43 -0400 From: "Joel Mathis" Subject: Re: IN> The Austin question > The basic rules feel a little rushed. Well, rushed is a bad word. Cramped > is a decidedly better one. There's a lot of stuff that is needed to give > the game depth (ESPECIALLY the Superiors), and we're getting it doled out in > small chunks - which is how it needs to be, if SJG is to make any sort of > money from In Nomine. And depth doesn't just mean rules and tables - it > also means mood and setting. I'd love to see more settings, although > preferably in their own book, if only because there is so much more stuff > that is more important. But for this one time, the first (of hopefully > many!) supplement, Austin was definitely needed, to help flesh out the more > psychological elements to the game universe. I can't agree with you more on the need for more settings. I understand the desire to have your home city as an interesting place to play in, but I could think of at least three more cities that I would LOVE to have detailed for In Nomine; Jeruselem, Rome, and Mecca come to mind imediately, not to mention any cities that are particularly important to any Eastern religion (my apologies for not being very knowlegiable on them). Austin seems a little low on the priority list compaired to fleshing out the major centers of religeon arround the world. A holy city guide book would be absolutely fantastic if it included Austin style guides to several cities. And lets not forget the complete guide to Nybbas-ville aka LA. Joel Mathis ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 11:14:34 -0400 From: Highway Star Subject: Re: IN> Night Music - Comments and hopes At 18:05 +0500 8/8/97, James Rand wrote: > >David is the AA of Power Metal; Saminga is the DP of... you got it, >Death Metal; Yves is the AA of Neo-classical Metal; Michael is the AA Heh heh heh, that got me thinking... GWAR, Demons of Shock Rock, in service to Saminga. I don't have my IN book here to do it right, but it could work...:) (Lemme try to think here for a second - I know GWAR, so I'd like to do it away they'd like it.) In a rare move, Lucifer gave the word of "Shock Rock" to a small group of Demons on Earth - a little known band named GWAR, out of Richmond. The band consists of a number of demons who work together on both the art and music, and the occasional Soldier of Hell that helps out a bit. Oderus Urungus - lead singer - Belseraph of Saminga. He honestly thinks GWAR is a group of aliens from space, sentenced to Earth by The Master. The human forms they "use" around the Slave Pit (i.e., out of costume) are just to keep people from being distracted. Beefcake the Mighty - bass guitar - Djinn of Saminga. Due to a small fight/argument with other members of the band, particularly Sexicutioner and BalSac, he lost his original vessel, which managed to gain another demon "inhabiting" it. That demon took it and went off to form a new band, Kepone. Beefcake assumed the vessel of a musician that used to play in a band in Texas with Flattus. BalSac, the Jaws of Death - rhythm guitar - Shedim of Saminga. For the purposes of the band, Saminga gave him a vessel that he can always use, and is also capable of continuing doing one task while the BalSac himself is out possessing someone. BalSac uses this to "crowd surf" during the concerts, getting audience members to do things in the crowd they wouldn't do outside of it. He's also been working with Vapula for the possibility of assuming control of someone over the Internet. Flattus Maximus - lead guitar - Calabim of Saminga. Saminga isn't always too happy with Flattus - he had some troubles with his vessel after a carjacker shot him in the stomach. However, he still manages to destroy stuff whenever possible, though half the time he's too stoned to care too much what it is that he wipes out. He accidently took out one of the major props at the beginning of the tour - the rest of the band was *not* happy. Jizmak Da Gusha - drums - Impudite of Saminga. He's not as visible in the band itself, but out in the crowd, he's schmoozing and talking to everybody he can. He's also in charge of the merchandise - trying to keep the money flowing to keep the group alive. Slymenstra Hymen - dancer/vocals - Lilim of Saminga. Her dancing alone often hypnotizes high school fans into doing what she wants. Sexicutioner - dancer/vocals - Impudite of Saminga. He often is out and about, trying to draw more people into the audience, so he can steal their essence when he sings. Techno Destructo - vocals/art - Habbalah of Vapula, in service to Saminga. He helps with a lot of the art, and sings on stage. He's BalSac's contact to Vapula, as well, and is nominally supposed to be destroying GWAR on stage, though he helps them constantly. The other members of the organization are mostly Soldiers of Hell. Of course, this isn't for a *serious* campaign, more for a sillier one. Not to say I won't use it, though. One of the suggested locations for Feast of Blades is in Richmond, and that's where GWAR is located...heh heh heh. SeanMike (hi, Dan! - I just found out last night one of my players is on the list - doh!) - ---- Sean Michael Whipkey, smw4s@virginia.edu Weldon Cooper Center for Public Service, Publications Div. 804/924-4185 (or -4188) voicenet, 804/982-5536 fax http://www.virginia.edu/~cpserv/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 12:46:50 -0400 From: "Michael Stanley" Subject: IN> Night Music Error Greetings. Although I love the Night Music supplement, I could not happen but notice a rather blatant typo, and while I have my own opinion as to what the correct text might be, I was hoping to get a canon answer to this. So here goes... On page 105 under the description for "Trent: Cherub Servitor of the Sword," he has the following skill listed: Large Weapon/5 (shotgun). Obviously, this is a mistake given the fact that a shotgun would be covered by the Ranged Weapon skill. My question is, how is this supposed to read? Ranged Weapon/5 (shotgun) or Large Weapon/5 (?) with a contact weapon listed in the parenthesis. While I'm on the subject, I was also wondering if someone could answer this for me. In the main rulebook under skills, the Small Weapon skill states that there is a different skill for each proficiency with each specific kind of small weapon. A similar statement is made in the description for Ranged Weapon. However, the description of Large Weapon makes no statement whatsoever about specific weapon types. I've check the official Errata and FAQ on the SJGames page, and this isn't mentioned anywhere. So am I correct in assuming that there is text missing from the Large Weapon description? L8R, - -Michael Stanley- stanman@netset.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 18:03:34 +0100 (BST) From: maya@tcp.co.uk (GR Cogman) Subject: Re: : IN> Requesting guidance on human use of Essence >First Thought: IN page32 says Mundane Humans [Non Soldiers] cannot use >Songs because they are not in touch with the Symphony. This implies that >there is more to a song than just its audible component. [Presumably a >Mental one.] True. >Second Thought : Wouldn't it just be simpler to enhance someone to Soldier >level, since directed essence use is going to attract attention, the person >singing would be safer that way. You need an AA or DP to enhance, or some sort of miraculous intervention: but true again. >Third Thought: What do you want to use this for? An adventure I half have in mind. Still rather vague. >Fourth Thoght: One of the Children of the Gregori could probably do what >you are describing, without knowing the he could do more. True. Interesting thought. Thank you, Maya - --- Maya, Elohim of Eli in service to Blandine maya@tcp.co.uk - -- "There are those who say that wizards are subject to temptations and addictions beyond the understanding of ordinary men: the addiction to shape-changing, or to meditation under the influence of certain herbs and conditions of the stars; the obsession with knowledge, and the development of power. Yet this is not so. Temptation is temptation, obsession is obsession, and choice is choice." - Isar Chelladan, Precepts of Wizardry. -- "Dog Wizard", Barbara Hambly. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 97 15:02:06 -0400 From: dwood@skipjack.bluecrab.org Subject: IN> Introductions Hooray, I've finally found my way onto the list! And what better way to introduce myself to a new mailing list than barrage the natives with a bunch of STUPID QUESTIONS? (D'oh!) Austin has been written up in Night Music (and a friend is holding a copy for me until he remembers to bring it for gaming). I'm sure that other people on the list have gotten together to decide issues on other campaign cities. 1. Is there a list of these campaign cities published anywhere? 2. Has anyone considered setting up a webring with these cities? 3. Has anyone done anything with the Baltimore and Washington D.C. yet? And okay, just a little bit of campaign data. The address of my eternally-in-need-of-update In Nomine website is: http://www.bluecrab.org/members/dwood/tabletop/innomine/ ...and I'm proud to say I'm GM to one of the most delightfully dysfunctional Angelic groups in Creation. A seraph of Yves, an Ofanite of Blandine, a Malakite of Michael, and a Mercurian of Marc. These were the players' choices, not mine, and they go together like four bassoons. I took this combination of characters and ran with it -- the reasons for the formation of this group alone have given me grist for a full campaign, even without the intervention of the Diabolicals. With them, the thing gets even bumpier. I just hope I can keep everyone together long enough to get to some of the revelation (note the small 'r') milestones I have scheduled. - -David http://www.bluecrab.org/members/dwood/ There are many ways to die. Fortunately few involve both state road crews and sausage casings. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 07:19:28 +0900 From: Dave Conrad Subject: IN> IN, Contact and Stuff Just a few thoughts, mostly about Nybbas 1) I saw Contact earlier, and as soon as I saw James Woods, I thought *It's Nybbas*, and as the movie went on, the impression grew. Of course, when I first saw Nybbas in the book, I thought *It's James Woods*, so . . . 2) Why does Nybbas have a bunch of DPs and Eli on his TVs on 176? 3) Just what is Andre holding under his neck in his picture? - -- Dave C. iN*T*x "To break the rules is to break the spell" - C. Lasch ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 09:03:17 +1000 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> Drew Angel of Sexuality Joel Mathis wrote: > I like this angel. I have been putting some thought into how angels > and > demons would handle sexuality in the In Nomine setting. > > I'm new to the list, so I'm sorry if I'm beating a very dead horse > even > deader. Nope. No-one's touched this idea before. > IMHO, demons would be focused on the selfish sexual act. Sex that's > about > you, not about the other person. Interestingly enough, this is the > sex > that is being advanced by the media for the most part. Cetrainly Andealphas would focus on selfish sex - when it suited his needs. Demons are manipulators and sneaky, and will do whatever's neccessary to use humans as they want. If Andrealphas wants someone compliant and easily persuadable, they're going to get the best sex of their lives... for a while... > On the other hand, angels would view sex as being about the other > person, > helping them get the most out of the sexual experiance. > Hmmm... don't know about that. Bring focused on the needs of the other person(s) in sex is not automatically a Good Thing. Some people want that intense focus, some people want more distance. There's nothing wrong with viewing sex as primarily a means of pleasing yourself - - but you'd better develop some ability to please others if you want to get regualr sex! Angels would possibly approach sex with the attitude of their Superiors. Eli's angels would enjoy it a lot, but not be big on contraception. Novalis's servitors would probably be focused on the giving aspects, while Marc's view it as a transaction. Dominic's angels don't bother with frivolities, while Blandine's angels just want to sleep with you (no, no sex, let's just sleep)... Something that I'm interested in is how much celestials 'indulge' in earthly pleasures - like sex, or eating, smoking, jogging... How does the mindset of a being of pure Essence take on board the very physical life of humans? Any thoughts? - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia Tell you a secret, they shared a needle once or twice I loved her, she loved me, we slept together a couple of times You think I'm proud of this, well maybe, but the shame you never lose Infatuated with a lunatic and cornered by the Muse. AFGHAN WHIGS, "What Jail is Like" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:22:18 -0500 (CDT) From: corey@cfanet.com Subject: Re: IN> Dominic is not a Bad Guy remove ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:45:34 -0400 From: "Joel Mathis" Subject: Re: IN> Drew Angel of Sexuality - ---------- >Patrick O'Duffy wrote: > Hmmm... don't know about that. Bring focused on the needs of the > other person(s) in sex is not automatically a Good Thing. Some people > want that intense focus, some people want more distance. There's > nothing wrong with viewing sex as primarily a means of pleasing yourself > - but you'd better develop some ability to please others if you want to > get regualr sex! Angels would possibly approach sex with the attitude > of their Superiors. Eli's angels would enjoy it a lot, but not be big > on contraception. Novalis's servitors would probably be focused on the > giving aspects, while Marc's view it as a transaction. Dominic's angels > don't bother with frivolities, while Blandine's angels just want to > sleep with you (no, no sex, let's just sleep)... I agree that specific method would differ from angels superior to superior, but my basic thought about it is that for the most part, angels would not be in it for themselves. I honestly don't think that many angels would have a good time if they thought that their partner wasn't enjoying the sex too. A side thought, faking an orgasm with a Seraph would be a very bad idea. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 03:29:19 -0100 From: Henry Leirvoll Subject: IN> PERCEIVING CELESTIALS On perceiving celestials, views within "sight" rolls their perception PLUS the number of Celestial forces the seen being has. - This the book tells us. I think this is odd. The more powerful a being, the easier it is to see? A Demon Prince would be noticed by anyone - even a mortal, at a mere glance! A Senezchal (sp?) protecting a tether - is seen by every mortal who enters there - not to mention celestials. He may just as well have 6 Celestial forces, giving a human with Will/2 a chance of 8 to spot him : VERY GOOD chance. Why isn't it MINUS Celestial forces? Somehow I think this would fit more - the more powerful you are, the more control you have over who perceives you. I can also reason the other way around, of course - that they are so powerful, that the forces that surrounds them are just too strong to hide. But no .. I Really have a problem with this .. Any help? - -- 0000,0000,ffffH. Leirvoll / kulde@intercom.no ICQ - UIN : 1255494 ffff,0000,0000- ^Heksheim / Black Metal^ - http://www.intercom.no/~kulde ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 20:32:48 -0700 (PDT) From: nightgaunt@earthlink.net (Alexander Shearer) Subject: Re: IN> Drew Angel of Sexuality >A side thought, faking an orgasm with a Seraph would be a very bad idea. > OTOH, a Balseraph who tried that would actually convince themself they did, indeed, have the orgasm. Just try to prove they didn't. :) Alexander Shearer nightgaunt@earthlink.net gaunt@uclink4.berkeley.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 01:13:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Davidson Subject: Re: IN> Drew Angel of Sexuality On Sun, 10 Aug 1997, Patrick O'Duffy wrote: > Something that I'm interested in is how much celestials 'indulge' in > earthly pleasures - like sex, or eating, smoking, jogging... What kind of sick person considers smoking and jogging "earthly pleasures"? Have you ever tried jogging anywhere in New York? Yes... that's it... breathe in those exhaust fumes. There is nothing I love more than getting up at 4 in the morning to go outside and get a nostril full of carbon monoxide. But that's probably just me. Thomas Davidson tdavidso@suffolk.lib.ny.us - -------------------- Don't panic! I have a new .sig! - -------------------- Instruction Booklet for this message: STEP 1: Open mouth. STEP 2: Insert foot. STEP 3: Chew vigorously. STEP 4: Repeat as needed. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 97 06:39:10 UT From: "Hermes Trismegistus" Subject: RE: IN> Dominic is not a Bad Guy >At 01:08 PM 8/5/97 -0400, in_nomine-l@lists.io.com wrote: >>>>Then he probably would or should have called them off when >Yves defended Gabriel.<<< > >I explained the resulting scenario in this hypothesis earlier. It didn't satisfy me.< This is getting really ordinary guys. Can't you take this to a private discussion and stop posting it to the group? It has been going on for some time now with neither of you actually advancing any point. I don't know if anyone else agrees, so if you don't just flame me and I'll shut up and quietly keep deleting these. Kurt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Aug 97 02:14:42 -0500 (CDT) From: kestre1@airmail.net (Andrew Getting) Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine At 06:13 PM 8/8/97 -0700, in_nomine-l@lists.io.com wrote: >I have a few Superior ideas for In Nomine. > >Archangels: Katrina, archangel of humility, William, archangel of honor, >and Frederick, archangel of courage. Katrina would be interesting, but the latter two would infringe on the territories of Laurence (big on honor, him), and Michael. >Demon Princes: Jasper, demon prince of envy, Cassandra, demon princess >of pride, and Craindre, demon prince of panic. Jasper's going to be subsumed into Mammon, Prince of Greed, and panic would probably belong to Beleth (fear's her priority). Lucifer himself is likely Pride. Kestrel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 08:08:15 -0400 From: "Joel Mathis" Subject: IN> Lucifer's First Job I saw a show on A&E last night about angels, and it mentions how Lucifer in Job, the oldest book in the bible, was an angel known as the accuser. So, wouldn't this mean that Dominic got the job (no pun intented) after Lucifer fell? Joel Mathis ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #286 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.