From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Aug 19 00:54:00 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA16132 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 1997 00:54:00 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA07660 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:01:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:01:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199708190201.VAA07660@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #299 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, August 18 1997 Volume 01 : Number 299 In this digest: Turn vacation off, *please* (Was: Re: IN> in_nomine-digest V1 #297) Re: IN> How do you say...? Re: IN> How do you say...? IN> in_nomine-digest V1 #298 -Reply Re: Celestials and Computers (Re: IN> Humans and Skills) Re: IN> Fluff (Superiors' Appearance) Re: Celestials and Computers (Re: IN> Humans and Skills) Re: IN> Ladislas Budnarzik in Night Music Re: IN> Humans, Relic Weapons, and a Lonely Goatherd Re: IN> Ladislas Budnarzik in Night Music Re: IN> Angels, God's Plan and Communism Re: IN> How do you say...? Re: IN> Large Weapons IN> Words for Destiny Re: IN> Mortals who can change Reality Re: Celestials and Computers (Re: IN> Humans and Skills) Re: IN> A silly Ofanim of Jean Trick Re: IN> Humans and Skills Re: IN> Dominic the Balseraph Re: : IN> Requesting guidance on human use of Essence US vs French versions (was: Re: IN> How do you say...?) Re: IN> Corporeal Vessels IN> Re: Dominic, Gabriel, and Yves - The New Three Stooges? (was: Re Re: IN> Angels, God's Plan and Communism Re: IN> A silly Ofanim of Jean Trick IN> 4 dimensional Symphony Re: IN> Lilim Geases Re: IN> Corporeal Vessels Re: IN> Lilim Geases Re: IN> A silly Ofanim of Jean Trick Re: IN> How do you say...? Re: IN> Corporeal Vessels ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 02:38:43 +0100 From: Sam Kington Subject: Turn vacation off, *please* (Was: Re: IN> in_nomine-digest V1 #297) Tony, You wrote: > > I'll be out of the office from August 15th through the 24th, back again on > August 25th. If you have publishing business that can't wait until I return, > please contact Cindy Achar. This went to the mailing list. Three times (one for digest #295, one for #296, one for #297, and so on until you get back). When you go on holiday, unsubscribe from mailing lists, even digests. *Especially* if you have a vacation program, or some other automatic responder to all mail that comes in. Sam - -- There are *my* opinions, dammit, and let no-one say otherwise. Home page: http://www.illuminated.co.uk/ INWO Homebrew: http://www.illuminated.co.uk/cgi/illuminati Did gyre and gimble in the wabe ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:55:46 -0400 From: Luc Tremblay ou Natacha =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=E9chard?= Subject: Re: IN> How do you say...? At 11:57 97-08-17 PDT, you wrote: >For pronunciation, I tend to go with French, what our fine game having >French origins and all. > >So, >Jean == Jhan (cum Jean-luc Piccard) >Yves == eeves (as in Yves St. Laurent) >etc. > >For Baal, the classic tradition, Baal = Bale > >For the easily anglasized, (David, Michael, etc.) I stick with the familiar >pronunciations; I go back and forth on "Laurence." > > > > Beeing French-Canadian myself I wholearthedly agree with this. The only nit I would pick is that Patrick Steward despite beeing a great actor had a horrible accent in French. So Jean would be pronounced like "Jhan" with a mute "n". On the same lines the "es" in Yves is mute so you pronounce it exacltly as "eve" (as in Christmas eve). Laurence would sound something like : Low-rha-ss. For the curious I could record a little .wav file as some sort of "guide to French pronounciation". Just e-mail me if you're interested. Btw, does anyone know how compatible the French and American versions are? I was contemplating purchasing one or two and wondered how hard they would be to mix. If they are incompatible, are there some conversion rules available somewhere? Luc Tremblay insert smart ass remark here ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:35:21 -0400 (EDT) From: IQJason@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> How do you say...? Hmm. My thoughts on pronunciation (take as you will.) Jean (shawn) Lilim (lil-EEM) Kyriotate (keer-yo-TAH-tay) Baal (bah'l -- like bah humbug with a final 'l') Yves (Eve. Pun at your own risk) Eli (ay-LEE) Belial (beh-LYLE) yours, - -J ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 02:48:20 -0400 From: Tony DeGeorge Subject: IN> in_nomine-digest V1 #298 -Reply I'll be out of the office from August 15th through the 24th, back again on August 25th. If you have publishing business that can't wait until I return, please contact Cindy Achar. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:05:00 +0300 (EET DST) From: Tapio Erola Subject: Re: Celestials and Computers (Re: IN> Humans and Skills) > I'd say it does save state, right in the angel itself, I'd call that > part of the attunement. The angel doesn't have to waste time booting up > the machine, it appears right and ready, all booted up in Divine-DOS 1.0 No way. Heavenly machine would _NEVER_ operate on _any_ kind of DOS. That software comes directly from Vapula. Divine computers run UNIX. (Probably Jean or Yves deemed that time was right and gave a sample to certain finnish hacker... :) - -- Tapio Erola txr@paju.oulu.fi (No mail to txr@sliver.oulu.fi please) "The more complex the programs of an organism, he greater is the danger of insanity. It is very, very hard to be a god." -- Anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 04:22:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Davidson Subject: Re: IN> Fluff (Superiors' Appearance) On Sat, 16 Aug 1997 dwood@skipjack.bluecrab.org wrote: > Previously, from the desktop of Tapio Erola... > > > (Snipped) > >Well, given the nature of this archangel, I'd presume that the pizza joint > >in question would be some small, out of the way, cheap joint run by > >italian emigree which products are excellent and made by real artist. > > > >He'd _never_ frequent in places like McDonalds which products are > >always the same. Those places are ran by Marc at best, Haagenti at worst. >[snip] > I'm also planning on having Yves meet one of the PCs in a Blockbuster > Video. At one point, he'll see two men in the adult video section, > nonchalantly pick out a video, and hand it to one of the men. Take my > word for it, the scene takes on a rather surreal turn after that... > Hmm.... I wonder--what do you have in mind? How can it get any more surreal than Yves giving a couple of men an adult video? I mean, the tapes he's giving them are tools of Andrealphus... Thomas Davidson tdavidso@suffolk.lib.ny.us - -------------------- Don't panic! I have a new .sig! - -------------------- Instruction Booklet for this message: STEP 1: Open mouth. STEP 2: Insert foot. STEP 3: Chew vigorously. STEP 4: Repeat as needed. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:56:32 -0400 From: "Joel Mathis" Subject: Re: Celestials and Computers (Re: IN> Humans and Skills) > From: Frank Lazar wrote: > I'd say it does save state, right in the angel itself, I'd call that > part of the attunement. The angel doesn't have to waste time booting up > the machine, it appears right and ready, all booted up in Divine-DOS 1.0 > (its divinely perfect, so the OS doesn't need revision. Valpula's Shedim > had to struggle up to version 666 of course :) Well, its taken them nearly twenty years to reach 95, should take them another hundred before they finally reach 666 Joel Mathis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:05:00 -0400 From: Hunter Johnson Subject: Re: IN> Ladislas Budnarzik in Night Music On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:24:15 -0400, "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" said: > [Hunter wrote:] >> Regardless, what I really need to know, errata-wise is: >> Should Ladislas have Corporeal Forces - 2 (and other changes to >> compensate)? >> Or should he be tagged as not really a Soldier (since all Soldiers >> have to have CF-2)? >> Or should the CF-2 requirement be dropped from Soldiers? > I'd rule that, yes, he's a soldier that had enough forces to be > _recruited_ rather than made. You would rule or you are ruling? > So the ruling would change so that all created soldiers (force 5 > people that are made into soldiers) are required to have CorpF/2, > but others can get by with CorpF/1 with the GM's permission. This > would of course indicate a _very_ special person that managed to get > six forces without celestial aid (was probably born with them). > Bottom Line > =========== > Soldiers must have CorpF/2 if they gained their sixth force through > contact with celestials, but can have CorpF/1 otherwise. So I'll errata ``They must have at least 1 Force of each type, and must have at least 2 Corporeal Forces.'' to continue ``... unless they had 6 Forces prior to their recruitment.'' And Ladislas should still note that he had 6 Forces prior to his recruitment. Hunter - -- J. Hunter Johnson /\ SJG Errata Coordinator (sjg-errata@io.com) http://www.io.com/~jhunterj/ /()\ Knightmare Chess Development Coordinator jhunterj@io.com /____\ GM in search of a group in Dayton, OH! 1870 AoR CE DH Guer GURPS Hack HotW Ill INWO KC DiF SamS Catan SqL UpF etc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:08:58 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Humans, Relic Weapons, and a Lonely Goatherd > > The practical limit is 15 forces since the top attribute > > a human can have is 10. This is pretty rare, as you might imagine! > > > > > If a human somehow gets six Forces in one one category, are his stats still > > > capped at 10? > > > > Officially, six forces is impossible for a human in any > > one area. > > What about Saints? Sorcerors? Unless overruled by a later supplement, yes to both. > > Keep in mind that Servants are _NPCs_. It is up to the > > GM to generate them, so the problem shouldn't arise. > > I'd think players would want (and deserve) more input into their > servants. Subject to GM veto, of course. Oh, the player can give as much input as they want, but the character are still _generated_ by the GM. It may be exactly what the players wants... or not. After a Servant is generated in my campaigns, the player doesn't even get to see their character sheet. I don't go out of my way to screw anyone, but munchkin stuff gets quietly (or possibly not-so-quietly) changed when I get the request. A particularly odious PC might find that their 'loyal Servant' has been buying up Willpower on the sly... ;) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:17:26 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Ladislas Budnarzik in Night Music On Aug 15, 1:03pm, Walter Milliken wrote: > Subject: Re: IN> Ladislas Budnarzik in Night Music > > On the other hand, Soldiers that are recruited > >with six forces, rather than made, might have only one > >in CorpForces. This is totally a GM's call, however. > > And right now, it's in direct contradiction with the rules for a player > to create a Soldier with only one Corporeal Force. I'd put this in the area of "GM, I have this cool character concept that I'd like to try, but I have to break one of the rules. How about it?" > > If the rules were intended to mean that *most* Soldiers should have at > least 2 Corporeal Forces, it could have been stated that way, rather > than the flat "must have 2" as written. I'd like to see it erratized > that way, actually. I don't disagree with you. In Nomine is growing and, perforce, changing in areas. Updates likes this are welcome the more we find out. Frankly, due to the nature of the writing process being used for these products, it's been more like exploring a new place than sitting down and writing it! ;) Put my vote down for errata (coordinated by Hunter) with the note that CorpF/1 Soldiers are very rare and likely to have been recruited with six forces rather than 'made'. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:06:38 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Angels, God's Plan and Communism On Aug 16, 6:58am, Adam Canning wrote: > Subject: IN> Angels, God's Plan and Communism > From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" > > [analogy between God's plan and communism snipped] > > Interesting! You can even look at it the other > way. Communism is basically faith since, despite decades > of contrary evidence, people still believe in it. ;)< > > Then you get the effect that turned up in one of the TSR novels, where a > devote communist can repel a vampire with the Hammer and Sickle. "Imperialist lackey! Trying to drain the lifeblood of the dedicated proletariat! Begone to whatever foul economic system spawned you!" ]=) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 07:15:13 -0700 (PDT) From: nightgaunt@earthlink.net (Alexander Shearer) Subject: Re: IN> How do you say...? >Hmm. My thoughts on pronunciation (take as you will.) This thread is making me feel like some kind of linguistic mutant. Here's how I was saying these... > >Jean (shawn) Gene (just like that - crass, eh?) >Lilim (lil-EEM) Li-lim (both soft sounds, like the "i" in "kick") >Kyriotate (keer-yo-TAH-tay) Keer-ee-oh-tate (all the vowels hard except the final silent e, pretty much) >Baal (bah'l -- like bah humbug with a final 'l') Same here. >Yves (Eve. Pun at your own risk) Yu-vess (but I know that seems clumsy) >Eli (ay-LEE) Hmmm. EE-lie. Like the name. >Belial (beh-LYLE) Same here. Alexander Shearer nightgaunt@earthlink.net gaunt@uclink4.berkeley.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:44:26 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Large Weapons On Aug 15, 5:04pm, Michael Stanley wrote: > Subject: IN> Large Weapons > Can someone tell me whether or not the skill "Large Weapon" is supposed to be a > seperate skill for each specific weapon type (like Ranged and Small Weapon is), > or is it a one skill for all Large contact weapons. The book doesn't make the > distinction and I was wondering if it was supposed to be that way, or if it was > an oversight. I believe it was an oversight due to a possible difference in philosophies (one weapon skill per size or multiple). On the other hand, the various 'large weapons' are not as diverse in use as the various small weapons (a big axe is used more like a big sword than a dagger is like a garrotte). This argument, however, I view as weak since other large weapons (polearms, lances, certain unwieldy chain-based types) have a vastly different fighting style. Bottom Line =========== Large weapons should specify the type of weapon, _unless_ your GM chooses to lump all large weaspons together, all small weapons, etc. (this is pretty much what I do in my campaign...) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:56:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Emily K. Dresner" Subject: IN> Words for Destiny Hallo - I'm planning for my next session, and I'm suddenly in need of a good solid NPC. But I cannot figure out good words for angels of destiny for the life of me. Angels\Demons of Corruption, yes. Destiny, no. :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:16:41 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Mortals who can change Reality > And I still have that permission to do what ever I want in my game . What cheek! Let people have a continent and they think they can do anything... ;) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 09:58:35 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: Celestials and Computers (Re: IN> Humans and Skills) > >Rolling for every niggling detail ("Roll vs. Computer Operation > >at -4 for default to turn on the computer!") strikes me as absurd. > > Unless it's someone whose backstory says they were last on Earth > in the Middle Ages, of course -- but that *is* a "necessary" > thing, due to the backstory... Oh, I agree! And I will more often make a celestial character roll than a non-celestial. When you have you eyes on the heaven, sometimes you miss the bump in the road... ;) > BTW, why does the Elohim of Jean attunement give only a few > minutes'-worth of computer time with the thing? I can't read > my Email in 1-7 minutes... (Or did Jean forget that not all > Elohim have mega-Forces like Superiors do?) In my campaign, I assumed that they can perform tasks and process things using this attunement at unheard-of speeds. Rough guess is that it takes someone using the Elohim of Jean attunment one tenth the normal time to perform any typical computer task. Tricky stuff (like breaking into databases and whatnot) takes the standard amount of time, however. Mind you, it's still somewhat useful for the 'can connect to any computer' and 'unlimited storage' aspects! The computer keeps all the information it garners between invocations. The perfect secret store of data... only the Elohite can access it and any amount of it can be captured. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:16:26 +0100 () From: "David.Evans" Subject: Re: IN> A silly Ofanim of Jean Trick Adam Canning sayeth:- > > When running Feast of Blades recently as a pick up game the parties ofanim > of Jean decided to dial his friend on the motorway from the airport on his > mobile phone and use his choir attunement to flash from one phone to the > other. [Totally destroying both of course and wrecking a 5 series BMW's > interior in the process.] Stricktly by the rules of course it probably > shouldn't work by mobile phone, even if it does by land line, however since > we were pressed for time I haddescribed the attunement as being like > Crowleys Telephone trick in Good Omen's so I let it pass. The expressions > on the other players faces however were priceless, especially the servitor > of jean whose stolen car got trashed. > Heh. I can imagine. Honestly I can... :-) In an adventure I was GMing one of the PCs, a Mercurian, had this very attunement, and used it to great effect. On one occasion, he ended up fighting a Calabim of Baal with 5 (!) Corporeal Forces and 80 Body Hits. The player noticed (or rather, felt) the fact that his opponent was wearing brass knuckles (cursed, of course) and decided to decorporealise and conduct himself through those brass nucks. I ruled he could do it, but only as he was being hit by them. But every time he reappeared, he did 3d hits of damage to the poor Calabim, who took it on the chin and carried on pummelling his less-than-still opponent. On reflection, I should have ruled that the first or second lot of damaged rendered the brass nucks unuseable, and that they would have fallen apart, making it almost impossible for the Mercurian to get further purchase on his opponent by this manner, and so being unable to electrocute his foe to death over time. > What do people think is it to unbbalancing an extension of the ability to > let the electrical body they create be transformed like other electrical > signalss into radio waves or not? I don't have the Core Book to hand, but I can't remember that being a part of the Ofanim of Jean Choir Attunment. I would rule as a GM that if it isn't stated specifically in the rules as an ability, that I would be difficult, if not impossible. Be seeing you... David. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:52:26 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> Humans and Skills > Jill is Singing a familiar song, but if she does poorly, a > demon is going to throw her to a pack of rapid dogs. Who are Ophanim of Jordi, no doubt. :-p Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com I have returned from Pennsic - sorry for the delay in replies. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:52:26 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> Dominic the Balseraph > Sure, a Superior Balseraph has a stronger resonance, but all things being > equal, a Balseraph isn't likely to be able to convince a strong-willed > celestial, and I think David is at *least* Dominic's equal. And Micheal is his superior, at least in combat. Given that Seraphim have a special ability to resist the Balseraph resonance, it wouldn't be long before Mike saw Dom for what he is, and axed him. Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com I have returned from Pennsic - sorry for the delay in replies. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:52:26 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: : IN> Requesting guidance on human use of Essence > >Second Thought : Wouldn't it just be simpler to enhance someone > >to Soldier level, since directed essence use is going to attract > >attention, the person singing would be safer that way. > > You need an AA or DP to enhance, or some sort of miraculous > intervention: but true again. An unconcious song might not cause Disturbance... > >Third Thought: What do you want to use this for? > > An adventure I half have in mind. Still rather vague. ...which would explain why somebody might want to use this. Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com I have returned from Pennsic - sorry for the delay in replies. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:50:42 +0100 From: Sam Kington Subject: US vs French versions (was: Re: IN> How do you say...?) Luc Tremblay ou Natacha Béchard wrote: [snip] > Btw, does anyone know how compatible the French and American > versions are? > I was contemplating purchasing one or two and wondered how hard they would be > to mix. *Very*. The French version has no concept of Bands or Choirs, Corporeal/Ethereal/Celestial Forces or realms, resonances, attunements, doesn't have Intelligence but *does* have Appearance, and handles Songs totally differently. Nearly everyone has scabbarded magical weapons, it's a lot less subtle and almost impossible to play seriously. On the plus side, the Superiors and Superior Rites are almost identical, apart from name changes. > If they are incompatible, are there some conversion rules available > somewhere? Not that I know of. - -- There are *my* opinions, dammit, and let no-one say otherwise. Home page: http://www.illuminated.co.uk/ INWO Homebrew: http://www.illuminated.co.uk/cgi/illuminati The jaws that bite, the claws that catch ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:52:26 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> Corporeal Vessels > Non-canon stuff! > ================ But very good none the less - now I have a better idea of how new angels are formed. With the concepts I had before, either nothing formed new forces, and everything was recycled, or regular essence could be used to make forces. > During a session one point of quintessence can be converted > immediately to five points of essence but causes five disturbance > (over and above whatever use the essence is put to). Any reason for five, or is that just pulled from thin air? Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com I have returned from Pennsic - sorry for the delay in replies. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:52:26 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: IN> Re: Dominic, Gabriel, and Yves - The New Three Stooges? (was: Re > Alternately, Gabriel was present at the founding of Judaism and > Christianity, and Yves decided that she would be a good choice > for Islam's founding as well. Gabriel, for her part, was probably > annoyed with Christianity (this was during the Dark Ages, > which didn't satisfy her Word at all) so the prospect of a religion > with a heavy emphasis on learning was enough to get her to > agree. And why didn't Yves do it himself? Here is my answer - because he has the social skill (with humans - presumably Celestial society is very different) of a dead fish. Kind of a new way of looking at him, eh? Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com I have returned from Pennsic - sorry for the delay in replies. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:47:15 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> Angels, God's Plan and Communism At 06:58 AM 8/16/97 -0400, you wrote: > > Interesting! You can even look at it the other >way. Communism is basically faith since, despite decades >of contrary evidence, people still believe in it. ;)< > >Then you get the effect that turned up in one of the TSR novels, where a >devote communist can repel a vampire with the Hammer and Sickle. > Which TSR novel? BTW, the same thing was done in Doctor Who (seventh Doctor). Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 97 11:38 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> A silly Ofanim of Jean Trick [description of Ofanim of Jean "teleporting" by cell-phone] >What do people think is it to unbbalancing an extension of the ability to >let the electrical body they create be transformed like other electrical >signalss into radio waves or not? While it's probably no more unbalancing than the Kyrio teleport trick, I don't think I'd allow it, given the way it's described (if I remember it right) -- the Ofanite is essentially a bolt of lightning, not just a signal pattern. The problem with my above comment is that a good part of the phone system, CATV systems, etc. are now photonic rather than electrical in nature, which requires a GM to make a ruling whether the path the Ofanim wants to follow is actually a continuous electical circuit. Even electical power lines aren't actually complete metallic circuits for very far -- they go through transformers, which don't typically have a conductive path between the two sides. It may actually be easiest to ignore that whole mess and say the Ofanite is transformed into a high-energy information pattern, not specifically electrical. I fear that may lead to other problems, though -- consider the case of an Ofanite who enters the transmitter of a radio broadcast station; he could conceivably emerge at the radio of *anyone* listening to the station. This notion bothers me.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 16:40:52 -0400 From: Highway Star Subject: IN> 4 dimensional Symphony Now it seems to me that since the Symphony *is* the Universe (as I read it), then it extends through all of the Universes dimensions - 3 spatial, plus time. Which makes me wonder (also due to the point that God is omnipotent): can Angels or Demons be sent through time by God or Lucifer, or perhaps even by Yves or Kronos? It seems that they can foretell the future, to some extent - note the mention in the rules book about the servitor of Jordi who's pissed 'cause of an aviary getting trashed before it can help one specific person. Of course, that opens up all kinds of possibilities. Go into the future, for example, and see what happens if you screw up. You come out in Cyberpunk 2.0.2.0. (Could an angelic vessel get cyberwear?) Go into the future and see what happens when you teach too many humans songs, or Lucifer changes strategies to see what happens if makes lots and lots of soldiers. You come out in Shadowrun. Try to come back from Heaven to Earth, make a wrong turn, and end up on Terra Nova in sometime around 6300 AD - you come out in Heavy Gear. Oooo...a Calabite versus a Heavy Gear...:) Or you can go back into the past, almost like those corny "change the present" plots in lots of time travel adventures. Kronos wants to go back in time and convince someone to fulfill their fate, not their destiny. Yves sends a team of angels back in time to convince Castro to be a baseball player and not a guerrilla fighter. Has anybody tried this yet? SeanMike - ---- Sean Michael Whipkey, smw4s@virginia.edu Weldon Cooper Center for Public Service, Publications Div. 804/924-4185 (or -4188) voicenet, 804/982-5536 fax http://www.virginia.edu/~cpserv/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:46:05 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Lilim Geases > > >(As Andrealphus looks at you quizically and asks, "But darling, what do > > Ah, but if you have a favor from Willard, the local mayor, President > > Clinton (don't ask), or something on that cute little Servitor of > What, you think Andrealphus doesn't have plenty of favors on > Clinton as it is? Don't forget Haagenti! ;) (In fact, that's part of the history of my Lilim of Gluttony... Otherwise known as Chef Tina) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:08:34 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Corporeal Vessels On Aug 16, 6:58am, Adam Canning wrote: > Subject: IN> Corporeal Vessels > From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" > >Then again, I'm not adverse to giving a > character Discord to pay for a vessel until they earn their > Superior's good favor again. ("Well, the only Vessel I have > in stock is the blind, three-legged dog... OR you can have > the human with bad breath, wall-eyes and that darn flatulence > problem") }=)< > > Discord is good, especially things like a Geas [Well I can get Novalis to > make one for you but you are going to owe her]. or Addiction [ I think I've > got one spare, but it needs a little work.] > > One the other hand, 1 point vessels become very use ful for pulling the it > doesn't matter who nasty you are you can only kill me once a round and thus > it just costs 1 character point [Spent in advance but 5 or 6 spare vessels > bought in advance and people are going to start wondering if you are Legion > back with a new trick. You still have to worry about Trauma unless you have a _lot_ of Body Bags. (BTW, do small vessels have Body Baggies? Is that with or without the ziplock(tm) feature?) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:05:15 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Lilim Geases On Aug 16, 1:37am, David Edelstein wrote: > Subject: IN> Lilim Geases > > [ text/plain > Encoded with "quoted-printable" ] : >>>Only if the Geas was "At some point in the future, I or my agent > will ask you for an unspecified favor roughly comprable to the > one I did you, and you will do it."<<< > > Ugh! I don't think that should be allowed at all. MUCH too great a > variable. That's kind of like "pre-testing" a Geas: you might as well let a > Lilim, immediately upon putting a Geas on someone, say "Now, when I come > back and ask you for a favor in return, you're going to do it", and make > the subject roll his resistance right then. This is another thing Lilim > would almost always do if it were possible-- why leave every Geas an > unknown quantity, when you can test every one immediately upon creation, > and THEN go back at some point in the future, secure in the knowledge that > whatever you ask the subject, he'll HAVE to obey and you won't be risking > any unexpected dissonance? > > Bad mechanic, no donut. I think that was with the assumption that either the Geas level would be reduced if tested, or that the Will roll would be better for the Geasee. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:14:31 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> A silly Ofanim of Jean Trick On Aug 16, 6:59am, Adam Canning wrote: > Subject: IN> A silly Ofanim of Jean Trick > > When running Feast of Blades recently as a pick up game the parties ofanim > of Jean decided to dial his friend on the motorway from the airport on his > mobile phone and use his choir attunement to flash from one phone to the > other. [Totally destroying both of course and wrecking a 5 series BMW's > interior in the process.] Stricktly by the rules of course it probably > shouldn't work by mobile phone, even if it does by land line, however since > we were pressed for time I haddescribed the attunement as being like > Crowleys Telephone trick in Good Omen's so I let it pass. The expressions > on the other players faces however were priceless, especially the servitor > of jean whose stolen car got trashed. > > What do people think is it to unbbalancing an extension of the ability to > let the electrical body they create be transformed like other electrical > signalss into radio waves or not? Not unbalancing, per se, but probably outside the scope of the Attunement. This is, however, probably not outside the scope of _Jean's_ word, so allowing it as a 'higher level' version of the Attunement wouldn't be out of the question. Maybe five more points so that you can be a radio wave as well? - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:00:16 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> How do you say...? At 11:57 AM -0700 8/17/97, Christopher Paul wrote: >For the easily anglasized, (David, Michael, etc.) I stick with the familiar >pronunciations; I go back and forth on "Laurence." *Laurence*? Lahr-ANNS vs Lahr-INS? At 10:35 PM -0400 8/17/97, IQJason@aol.com wrote: >Hmm. My thoughts on pronunciation (take as you will.) >Eli (ay-LEE) Eeep! EE-lie, over here... >Belial (beh-LYLE) beh-LEE-all... Wow. Even more of them can be pronounced weirdly than I'd thought... At 11:55 PM -0400 8/17/97, Luc Tremblay ou Natacha Béchard wrote: >At 11:57 97-08-17 PDT, you wrote: > Btw, does anyone know how compatible the French and American >versions are? Not very, from what I've seen... No Choirs or Bands, a much more "in your face SATIRE" attitude, etc. >I was contemplating purchasing one or two and wondered how hard they would be >to mix. If they are incompatible, are there some conversion rules available >somewhere? I know of none (but that's just me). You might be able to get some good ideas and/or laughs out of it, though. (I'm curious about the French IN Space thing, myself.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com // emccoy@jade.mv.net GURPS characters, Roleplayers; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 10:37:30 -0400 From: "John Karakash - Lucent ASCC" Subject: Re: IN> Corporeal Vessels On Aug 16, 6:05pm, Kingsley Lintz wrote: > Subject: Re: IN> Corporeal Vessels > > > On Aug 13, 1:19pm, Michael Stanley wrote: > > > When a Vessel is killed, and the Celestial form goes off to recover from > > > Trauma, how does the angel/demon make a new Vessel once the Trauma is over? > And Karakash replied; > > It does, in fact, cost points (YMMV depending on the campaign!). > I have to admit, I hadn't even noticed there was a question on > this..I didn't think you HAD to `buy' a new Vessel. (For `canon' > precedent, I'd note the comment under Servants that if your Servant dies, > you can get a new one, either next session or when you can play it out.) > It had struck me that if you're an Angel, you get bounced back to Heaven, > where, once you come out of Trauma, you have to deal with your > Superior..(and your peers, who may or may not snigger a little)...but > chances are, you get healed up and sent back. During the normal process (i.e. the PCs didn't have their vessel killed), bonuses for good work are handed out. (Likewise punishments) For a PC that has lost their vessel and had to have it replaced, their 'bonus' might be that very same new vessel. Superiors are not shy about handing out rewards and punishments usually! (IN p.202) I treat replaced vessels using that same method. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #299 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.