From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Sep 19 13:47:46 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22728 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:47:46 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id NAA07596 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:13:47 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:13:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199709191813.NAA07596@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #348 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, September 19 1997 Volume 01 : Number 348 In this digest: Re: IN> Archangel Vapula Re: IN> The Marches: A review Re: IN> The Marches: A review Re: Geas Entrapment (Re: IN> Lilith's Potence) Re: IN>The four cherubim Re: IN> Counter-spamming: Existence proof of it working Re: Geas Entrapment (Re: IN> Lilith's Potence) IN> Re: The Marches: A review. IN> Lilith's Potence Re: IN> The Marches: A review Re: IN> Malakim IN> Re: AA Vapula Re: IN> Lilith's Potence Re: IN> Mundane soul-trading IN> email to purchase Marches IN> biblical referances of Ofanim Re: IN>The four cherubim Re: IN> About the four horsemen of the Apocalypse... IN>Undead (was: Mundane soul-trading) Re: IN> In Nomine Canon Re: IN> The Marches: A review Re: IN> biblical referances of Ofanim Re: IN> biblical referances of Ofanim Re: IN> Anime Lilim Re: IN>The four cherubim Re: IN> Counter-spamming: Existence proof of it working Re: IN> In Nomine Canon Re: IN> Re: AA Vapula Re: IN> Mundane soul-trading Re: IN> Re: AA Vapula Re: IN> In Nomine Canon Re: IN> In Nomine Canon Re: IN> In Nomine Canon IN> Calabim Re: IN> In Nomine Canon Re: IN> In Nomine Canon IN> Malakim and lucifer IN> Calabite question IN> Dominic.Net ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Sep 97 18:19 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Archangel Vapula >Does Vapula regard himself, like his fellow Habbalah, >as an angel, or being part of the infernal hierarchy, >is he free of this delusion? I see him as thinking he's an angel, like other Habbalah, and doing God's work, weeding out the unfit. (And anyone who doesn't realize that a lot of his tech is *dangerous* is obviously unfit....) In other words, I see him thinking of himself as "evolution in action". >And if he does see himself as an Archangel, what do his >(non-Habbalite) servitors think of him? He's crazy and dangerous, so what? So are all the other Princes.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:40:21 -0500 From: tom timberlake Subject: Re: IN> The Marches: A review Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > At 3:24 PM -0500 9/18/97, Donald G Bixler wrote: > >Oops da Ogre, Gabe's pic on 18 seemed too feminine to me, but the face is > > suitably creepy. > > (Karakash and I were arguing over which of us would be likely > to acquire the original, should such a thing be available... > We also liked the idea of T-shirts or prints.) Well, as long as your talking about Tees, *my* preferences would be for "Fire-woman" [IN Art Gallery, upper gallery, I think] or "Cherubim" [reception area??], though the Splash-Fight or the Chessex Dragonskin illustration would also do me. IMHO, of course. tom timberlake ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:58:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Donald G Bixler Subject: Re: IN> The Marches: A review > >I'm pretty happy to see the work of more atists. (No offense to Dan.) > >Also check out the upper-leftmost silhouette on p109. That ain't a > >spear... > > Guitar. Obviously. A guitar occurred to me, but I was leaning towards a chainsaw. "Groovy!" I was mostly just pointing it out. > (Karakash and I were arguing over which of us would be likely > to acquire the original, should such a thing be available... > We also liked the idea of T-shirts or prints.) It sounds like a good idea to me, pehpas a black shirt with the burning feather on the left breast and the bit from the back cover on the back. Oops da Ogre, I'd like the picture of FurFur with "Hail, Hail Rock and Roll!" on the back and "In Nomine: Don't play this game backwards." on the front. mudgb4@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 23:26:43 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: Geas Entrapment (Re: IN> Lilith's Potence) On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:02:21 -0400, johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) wrote: > Done last night... along with a jillion other updates to the >FAQ! I noticed last night. Cool. For the future, how about a changed flag so we can spot the differences? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:00:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Benjamin D. Hutchins" Subject: Re: IN>The four cherubim > I knew it! You work for Nybbas don't you. There's no need to be insulting. - --G. - -- Benjamin D. Hutchins, cofounder and Keeper-Straight of the Continuity Eyrie Productions, Unlimited - An AnimeTech Limited Company -><- Visit us on the World Wide Web at http://www.eyrie.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 00:08:29 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> Counter-spamming: Existence proof of it working On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:03:46, Jeff Miller wrote: >>Apologies to all: I muffed the address and sent it to the wrong list. Mea >>culpa, mea maxima culpa! >> >It *was* kinda ironic, you know. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 00:08:26 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: Geas Entrapment (Re: IN> Lilith's Potence) On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:20:20 -0400, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >>> That's quite true, yes. It's still up in the air whether the >>>Free Lilim burden is 9 Geas/3s, or 23 (or whatever) Geas/1s. >> >>Maybe the conversion rules should be changed? Perhaps it takes two Geas/2 >>to make a Geas/3, two Geas/3 to make a Geas/4, etc. > > sorry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 21:03:20 -0400 From: Nana Yaw Ofori Subject: IN> Re: The Marches: A review. >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 17:59:37 -0400 >From: Elizabeth McCoy > >At 3:24 PM -0500 9/18/97, Donald G Bixler wrote: >>> Also known as p. 24: "What The Hell Is That?" >> >>I'm pretty happy to see the work of more atists. (No offense to Dan.) >>Also check out the upper-leftmost silhouette on p109. That ain't a >>spear... > >Guitar. Obviously. > Looks more like a saxophone to me. >>> If anyone knows, please, tell me.... >> >> My guess would be a Gigeresque monster burning. *shrug* > >That's all I could come up with. Barney's celestial form? Looks like some kind of dinosaurian skull. Perhaps he wandered out of the Marches and picked the wrong person to sing to... = http://www.io.com/~beholder ===================== nofori@pop3.utoled.edu === Nana-Yaw "The Fish" Ofori, Freelance Soldier of Heck, presenty serving Legion, Party of six thousand. Smoking or Non? ===== ><{{"> ============ "Life's a Fish, then you Fry." ======= <"}}>< ====== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:51:36 GMT+10 From: "Leathal Weapon" <938269@wrpc.riv.csu.edu.au> Subject: IN> Lilith's Potence Dear List, With all the talk that's been going on concerning Lilith's power and place in the Lowerarchy I thought I'd raise a point that occurred to me a while ago. Lilith embodies Freedom, and will support her Lilim if they are being exploited, but I get the feeling that she will only support them so far. Notice that there are no Lilim Superiors? (Note that I'm purposefully ignoring Elizabeth's creations for the moment, sorry). In my view, Lilith supports her Lilim growing in power as far as they want, until they want to try to become a Prince (or Archangel, heck!). Then she uses all her powers, her political swing and calls in favours in large numbers to get that Lilim either refused or killed. Why? She uncertian of what a Lilim superior will be able to do. Lilith maintains a large portion of her power for one reason. She is the only one who can supply Lilim. It makes her wanted, needed and secure. No one will mess with her if they want any more Lilim in their ranks. Now if a Lilim became a Superior, would they be able to create Lilim to trade to others? Possibly. No-one's sure, but it should be a reasonably simple ability for a Lilim superior to copy their own 'design' and make Lilim. This frightens Lilith as she could lose a lot of her power if another Lilim-creator came into being. They would be providing Daughters who didn't owe her anything, and the other Princes could just as easily get them at a discount. Hmm, I can see an adventure thread opening up similar to "Demon Prince of Rock and Roll", but with a Lilim vying for Prince-hood, and Lilith doing everything she can to stop it. Anyone have any thoughts or opinions on this theory? Leath. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 22:30:56 -0600 (MDT) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> The Marches: A review > Roll!" on the back and "In Nomine: Don't play this game backwards." on Whoops. Hey, Em! I think I figured out our problem.. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 23:00:24 -0600 (MDT) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> Malakim Leathal commented; > > I have to say I disagree with this whole "Malakim are kind of demons" > > thread. Before I go further I'll say this is all IMO. And Em replied; > Well, that's good then. It would be really weird if it was in, say, > Kingsley's opinion. :) Aiiieee! My brain's melting... > all month. Are you going to tell me that a Malakim has NEVER fallen, > ever, beause they watch each other with such paranoid eyes 24-7 that they > will know the instant one of their members picks up any dissoance? Especially Malakim of Blandine...those guys can hide out nicely. > They have some constant relaying mechanism that tells everyone they're > current state? MaBarry suggests that might be what Kyriotates are for. (Well, they had to be for SOMETHING other than possessing people's clothes and giving wedgies.) {Alright, maybe they don't...} > There has never been one single Malakim EVER, in the entire time of > Existance, which thought, "Hey, I wanna see if I can Fall", goes off to > some weird part of the world where they can't be watched and tries it? Particularly given the weight of protection a Declining Malakim would get from Hell. A constant honor guard of, say, thirty Calabim and a dozen Djinn, with a general ring of a score or so Shedim just to keep an eye on things, wouldn't be remotely out of line for a shot at a Fallen Malakim at this stage of things...if only to tweak Lawrence. > are heretics or going against the Word of God. Where are they helping > PEOPLE? By removing evil? You can remove evil in better ways then blood > and death. See exhibit B, the Mercurians. Huh? What do PEOPLE have to do with anything? There's a War on, y'know... > sorts of crazy wild interpretations. My interpretation is much darker, > nastier, and all around eviller then probably most others. I like there Have to mention - with the whole "Brightness Knob" analogy, my immediate thought was, "And then there's Em...who just unplugs the monitor." > But MY point is that I will never, ever, buy an argument that boils down > to "because the rule book said so". We're creative! We're weird! We're Uh-oh...my strongest argument for Malakim-as-Demons is, "Because the rule book said so"... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 06:06:44 +0200 From: Jo Hart Subject: IN> Re: AA Vapula At 17:46 18/09/97 -0500, you wrote: > > >From: "ROBERT A. COUTURE" > >Does Vapula regard himself, like his fellow Habbalah, >as an angel, or being part of the infernal hierarchy, >is he free of this delusion? > >And if he does see himself as an Archangel, what do his >(non-Habbalite) servitors think of him? I wouldn't be surprised if he saw himself and his Work as being above such mundane things as celestial politics, on the whole ;-) Naturally, like most academics, this won't stop him from actively politicking as keenly as the next DP! He just picked the side which was more likely to give him a decent research grant. jo (Does anyone else think that falling asleep for 6 hours in a lab has to be one of THE easiest rites out there? :-) ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 05:58:35 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Potence On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:51:36 GMT+10, "Leathal Weapon" <938269@wrpc.riv.csu.edu.au> wrote: >... She uncertian of what a Lilim superior >will be able to do. Lilith maintains a large portion of her power for >one reason. She is the only one who can supply Lilim. ... >Anyone have any thoughts or opinions on this theory? One point is that Lilith is not a Lilim; she's just Lilith, the one and only, a unique creation of God. Another is that each Choir or Band has its own psychology. A Lilim wants freedom: she's the embodiment of one person's freedom encroaching on another's. A Lilim wants Geases on her neighbors so she can have parties as loud and late as she wants, disregarding their freedom to sleep. The pinnacle of Lilim aspiration may be to have Geases *to* no one and Geases *on* everyone. That's a poor Prince or Archangel, or even superior or Seneschal. As Lilith has taken the protection of Lucifer under the obligation to produce Lilim, a free Lilim may do just enough to stay under the protection of a Prince or Archangel. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 03:49:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Calabim@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Mundane soul-trading In a message dated 97-09-19 02:01:56 EDT, you write: << >In Nomine indicates a number of things about existance as a damned mortal... >1) Mortals can not be "promoted" to undead. Mortals *can* be promoted to undead -- but you have to start with a live one. p. IN193. Having a dead soul clamoring for another chance... Well, it might be possible to do an infernal equivalent to a Saint, but why would a demon bother? >> Arrrhg! (Blush) Sorry. I *meant* to say they cannot be made into demons. Of course they can be made into undead. I have been curious, though. The book indicates that Saminga is the most knowledgable at creating undead. It seems unclear as to whether he has an actual monopoly on the concept. But it has made me wonder... What is a sexy-vampire's status in IN? Saminga seems like he wouldn't want his vampires to be sexy. What about Andre? he might create a few, or then again he might abhor the whole undead concept. And there is no demon prince of tragic hipness. ;-) >Some other stuff indicates that demons *cannot* >"buy" a mortal's soul. They can make someone Hellsworn, binding the >mortal in feelings of obligation, freedom from responsibility, and >fear of death for betrayal. But they can't have a "go directly to >Hell, do not pass go" contract. The human has to actually do the >evil things... which is usually easy enough -- if the human believes >he's damned anyway by signing a contract, then he'll wind up Hellside. There is a mortal teenager in my campaign that used to work for a group of demons. He has committed a number of evil acts, and is now wondering what debts he has and how easily they are discharged. It seems, though, that a number of mortals would tend to decide they owe nothing, and could be quite inventive in their reasoning. Many of us seem to have "moralities of convenience." - -Calabim@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:54:49 -1000 From: jumpshot@iniaccess.net.au (Karen J Davies) Subject: IN> email to purchase Marches I am unable to access the SJG catalog web page and here in AUstralia the Marches is not due for release for wuite some time apparantly. Being of impatient spirit, does someone know an email address I can send to to find out slaes details for said item with postage down under ? JD ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:54:29 -1000 From: jumpshot@iniaccess.net.au (Karen J Davies) Subject: IN> biblical referances of Ofanim "And the Cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the earth in my sight; when they went out, the wheels also were beside them, and every one stood at the door of the east gate of the Lord's house; and the glory of the God of Israel was over them above". Ezekiel 10:19 Throughout chapter 10 of the book of Ezekiel there are several referances to rings the "colour of beryl stone"....where fire was taken from between the wheels. Are these Ofanim? Also, I couldn't help noticing this referance... >The Angelic Players Guide will give more details on what angels do in >Heaven. But remember, Seraphim are a lot more than celestial lie detectors >(says the guy who wrote up the Seraphim for the APG). This Angelic Players Guide sounds good.... is it a reality? JD - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ,~,_/\ Karen J Davies |PO Box 376 / \ Sports Journalism/Photographics |Cessnock { } jumpshot@iniaccess.net.au |NSW 2325 \_,~~,_* <-- Cessnock, NSW, Australia. |Australia v |PH: 014 425 949 http://www.odyssee.net/~alexcap/sportsreport/ - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 04:01:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Davidson Subject: Re: IN>The four cherubim On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Benjamin D. Hutchins wrote: > > I knew it! You work for Nybbas don't you. > > There's no need to be insulting. > > --G. > -- > Benjamin D. Hutchins, cofounder and Keeper-Straight of the Continuity > Eyrie Productions, Unlimited - An AnimeTech Limited Company - -><- ^^^^ With this being the symbol of Eris, I would rather say that he's a servant of Discord. All hail Eris! All hail Discordia! (It's Friday, so I think I'll slink off and eat my hot dog (no bun!)) :) Thomas Davidson tdavidso@suffolk.lib.ny.us MUSIC: Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Rush, Jimi Hendrix GAMES: Champions (old and new), In Nomine, Nephilim TV: The X-Files, the Simpsons, Superman, The Tick, the Animaniacs OTHER: Religion, Philosophy, mysticism, the runes, the Tarot, writing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 04:15:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Davidson Subject: Re: IN> About the four horsemen of the Apocalypse... On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Thomas Davidson wrote: > > > That points up an interesting question: What *is* the classical > > description of Azrael? I don't have my Book of Angels or whatever > > handy. > > The Grim Reaper? Black-robed skeleton with scythe, made familiar to > readers of Terry Pratchett? > Geez, we already have one in a cloak: Dominic. Do we really need another? Besides, I have always associated the Grim Reaper with something different entirely. > > > Another thing that's lopsided in the IN Universe: Andrealphus is > > Lust... but there is no AA of Love (or anything similar)? Isn't > > that a little cynical? > > I think the symmetrical position would be an Archangel of Chastity, > with two main domains, Celibate and Marital. But to be a little > cynical, I doubt that would sell well in '90s America. No, it wouldn't sell. And you're not being cynical: realistic is the word I'd use. > Someone > wrote up a description of Cupid as Archangel of Love a while back. > Maybe that would do. > I think it can be found, with a couple of other ideas for this AA in Beth's INC. I haven't been necessarily satisfied with these attempts, though. I guess my idea of love is different than other people's. Thomas Davidson tdavidso@suffolk.lib.ny.us MUSIC: Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Rush, Jimi Hendrix GAMES: Champions (old and new), In Nomine, Nephilim TV: The X-Files, the Simpsons, Superman, The Tick, the Animaniacs OTHER: Religion, Philosophy, mysticism, the runes, the Tarot, writing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:39:16 +0200 (MET DST) From: Haavard Roenne Faanes Subject: IN>Undead (was: Mundane soul-trading) On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 1:23 AM -0400 9/18/97, Calabim@aol.com wrote: > >In Nomine indicates a number of things about existance as a damned mortal... > >1) Mortals can not be "promoted" to undead. > > Mortals *can* be promoted to undead -- but you have to start with > a live one. p. IN193. Having a dead soul clamoring for another chance... > Well, it might be possible to do an infernal equivalent to a Saint, Are there other ways of becoming undead than being promoted to it by Demons of Death? I like the thought of egyptians creating real mummies before Saminga learned about it. Could Ethereal beings (ie Egyptian Gods) create promote mummies? And can Vampires create other vampires (as according to Ann Rice, and World of Darkness)? Haavard R. Faanes Email: hoc@nvg.unit.no hoc@nuts.edu http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:21:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Emily K. Dresner" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Canon > Just remember that the more you vary from official canon, the more > adjustments you will have to make to adapt published products to your > campaign. Some GMs like to have everything laid out for them in detail, > others like to pretty much reinvent the whole universe. And some of us just simply don't care what official "canon" is. :) Hmmmm.... I never learned how to play from modules. Simply never got the hang of it. The detail in the books is nothing compared to the detail in my head. I always thought a large part of the fun of GMing was to be able to drag people through your own vision. *shrug* I dunno about anyone else, though. Emily K. Dresner, M.S.Eng. Applications Programmer III and Hand of God Patron Saint of ACI-1 Desktop Applications Team Medical Center Information Technology Phone: (313) 936-3576 Current Quote: I'm not manic-depressive, I'm digital. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:30:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Emily K. Dresner" Subject: Re: IN> The Marches: A review > > Roll!" on the back and "In Nomine: Don't play this game backwards." on > Whoops. > > Hey, Em! I think I figured out our problem.. *ROTFL* AH HA! Now I know! And knowing is half the battle! :) I'm writing down in my IN notebook, "Stop playing backwards. Not good." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:55:53 -0400 From: "Chuck Ryan" Subject: Re: IN> biblical referances of Ofanim Karen J Davies wrote: > "And the Cherubims lifted up their wings, and mounted up from the > earth in > my sight; when they went out, the wheels also were beside them, and > every > one stood at the door of the east gate of the Lord's house; and the > glory of > the God of Israel was over them above". > Ezekiel 10:19 > > Throughout chapter 10 of the book of Ezekiel there are several > referances to > rings the "colour of beryl stone"....where fire was taken from between > the > wheels. Are these Ofanim? > > most definetly the ofanim served as the chariot of god the cheribim as > his mounts pulling his chariot while the serephim sang his praises in > holy reverance about his head with flaming wings doing as you can > amagin a fairly good impression of a halo. > > > >The Angelic Players Guide will give more details on what angels do in > > >Heaven. But remember, Seraphim are a lot more than celestial lie > detectors > >(says the guy who wrote up the Seraphim for the APG). > > This Angelic Players Guide sounds good.... is it a reality? > > JD > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > ,~,_/\ Karen J Davies |PO Box 376 > / \ Sports Journalism/Photographics |Cessnock > { } jumpshot@iniaccess.net.au |NSW 2325 > \_,~~,_* <-- Cessnock, NSW, Australia. |Australia > v |PH: 014 425 949 > http://www.odyssee.net/~alexcap/sportsreport/ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:20:54 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> biblical referances of Ofanim Karen J Davies wrote: > Throughout chapter 10 of the book of Ezekiel there are several > referances to rings the "colour of beryl stone"....where fire was > taken from between the wheels. Are these Ofanim? Yes, "ofanim" is just Hebrew for "wheels." I was rather surprised the first time I ran into them as a choir of angels. I had assumed they were celestial artifacts. Earl Wajenberg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 08:32:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Scott Johnson Subject: Re: IN> Anime Lilim On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Casca wrote: > This passage inspired another Strange Idea (tm). > > Imagine a Bright Lilim who, just out of the goodness of her heart, grants > the occasional wish (using her resonance) to virtuous people without > asking anything in return. > > Imagine this Lilim suddenly appearing one day to a lonely, frustrated > college student, whose wish is "I want you to be my girlfriend forever!" > > Imagine what would happen if she fulfilled his wish.... > > Presenting "Belldandy as Bright Lilim". Heh. I've really got to finish my In Anime articles at some point - I've been working on a description of the Relief Angel Help Line (along with Video Angels and Magical Girls of God.) Mercurians, Cherubim, and the occasional Bright Lil or even Elohite, all working for Yves to help the good-hearted but meek fulfill their Destinies, via the occasional wrong number... - -- Scott Johnson | zagyg@io.com | This space intentionally left blank. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:22:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Benjamin D. Hutchins" Subject: Re: IN>The four cherubim > -><- > > ^^^^ > With this being the symbol of Eris, I would rather say that he's a servant > of Discord. > I started out that way, but these days I find myself doing most of my work on behalf of Jean. Maybe I'm on loan... :) - --G. - -- Benjamin D. Hutchins, cofounder and Keeper-Straight of the Continuity Eyrie Productions, Unlimited - An AnimeTech Limited Company -><- Visit us on the World Wide Web at http://www.eyrie.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:34:06 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Counter-spamming: Existence proof of it working At 12:08 AM +0000 9/19/97, Walt Mazur wrote: >On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:03:46, Jeff Miller wrote: > >>>Apologies to all: I muffed the address and sent it to the wrong list. Mea >>>culpa, mea maxima culpa! >>> >>It *was* kinda ironic, you know. > > Sounds like Kobal twitched a grin... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:43:04 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Canon At 8:21 AM -0400 9/19/97, Emily K. Dresner wrote: >> Just remember that the more you vary from official canon, the more >> adjustments you will have to make to adapt published products to your >> campaign. Some GMs like to have everything laid out for them in detail, >> others like to pretty much reinvent the whole universe. > >And some of us just simply don't care what official "canon" is. :) Official In Nomine cannon -- where SMIF draws a big gun... Um. I haven't had breakfast yet. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:49:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Dorothy Bixler Subject: Re: IN> Re: AA Vapula On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Jo Hart wrote: >(snip) > jo > (Does anyone else think that falling asleep for 6 hours in a lab has to be > one of THE easiest rites out there? :-) ) > I don't know. It depends on what type of lab you fall asleep in. A computer lab would be OK, but falling asleep in a chem lab could be _bad_ ("So, tell me how you lost your vessel." "Well, I was trying to regain essence, so I fell asleep in the chem lab. How was I supposed to know that the Bunsen burner was still on?"). And if you fall asleep in a biology lab, you may be volunteered for the next experiment. *Dorothy Michelle Bixler * mudmh10@ecom.ecn.bgu.edu* "Gidget, have you been laying with the Horned One again?" -MST3K's Mike from "The Thing the Couldn't Die" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 97 11:12 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Mundane soul-trading >I have been curious, though. The book indicates that Saminga is the most >knowledgable at creating undead. It seems unclear as to whether he has an >actual monopoly on the concept. This isn't clear to me, either, but I suspect most Princes wouldn't do it often, since it would be supporting Saminga's Word. >What is a sexy-vampire's status in IN? Saminga seems like he wouldn't want >his vampires to be sexy. Depends... if it gets more people dead, and/or makes people look forward to dying, I think he'd go for it. Note that *any* Discordant celestial could have a Need for blood (or whatever), which means the type of vampire you're thinking of may just be an Impudite, Habbalite or Lilim with that Need, not a "true" IN vampire. I doubt most mundanes would care about the difference.... > What about Andre? he might create a few, or then >again he might abhor the whole undead concept. Seems like Andre would be perfectly happy encouraging necrophilia, at least. I don't think he'd be into killing people, though -- dead people probably don't do much for his Word.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:06:56 -0700 (PDT) From: nightgaunt@earthlink.net (Alexander Shearer) Subject: Re: IN> Re: AA Vapula >I don't know. It depends on what type of lab you fall asleep in. A >computer lab would be OK, but falling asleep in a chem lab could be >_bad_ ("So, tell me how you lost your vessel." "Well, I was trying to >regain essence, so I fell asleep in the chem lab. How was I supposed to >know that the Bunsen burner was still on?"). And if you fall >asleep in a biology lab, you may be volunteered for the next experiment. Hmmm. I find falling asleep at my desk keeps me from being the next transgenic experiment. On a related note, one of the new (rotation) grad students in our lab did, in fact, leave a Bunsen burner on /overnight/. Oops. Maybe he's a would-be Soldier of Belial? Of course, in the lab I worked in summer before last, one of the grad students regularly spent the night there (she had a cot and everything). Heck, if I was a servant of Vapula, I'd be pulling in Essence for the "3 hours of work" one. Sheesh - Role: Science student (esp. grad student) is a bit of a no-brainer for Servants of Technology. Alexander Shearer nightgaunt@earthlink.net gaunt@uclink4.berkeley.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 97 12:36 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Canon >>And some of us just simply don't care what official "canon" is. :) > >Official In Nomine cannon -- where SMIF draws a big gun... Actually, sounds like "Bruno does In Nomine".... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:04:04 -0500 From: tom timberlake Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Canon Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > Official In Nomine cannon -- where SMIF draws a big gun... > > Um. > > I haven't had breakfast yet. _This_ I would like to see--no, not Arch Beth having breakfast, The Official In Nomine Cannon! tom, temporarily on loan to Kobal ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:10:03 -0500 From: tom timberlake Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Canon tom timberlake wrote: > > Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > > > > Official In Nomine cannon -- where SMIF draws a big gun... > > > > Um. > > > > I haven't had breakfast yet. > > _This_ I would like to see--no, not Arch Beth having breakfast, The > Official In Nomine Cannon! > > tom, temporarily on loan to Kobal Another thought, and yes I am still on loan--if IT is a handgun, would that make it a SMIF and Wesson? *Grin, Duck, & Run like an Ofanim on speed* tom t. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:39:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Hobbes Subject: IN> Calabim There has been a 4 day delay in this post, so I'm gonna try again, but I apologize if this message is duplicated - I'm assuming its cyber-roadkill somewhere. My question is about the Calabim resonance. On page ummm...148 I think (don't have a book here) it says that Calabim are surrounded by a whirling field of entropy that they may impose on anything within their range. How literally may this be taken? Is this merely representative of entropy in terms of destructive disorder, or is it actually "S", the entropy that makes most thermodynamics courses a living hell? If it is merely meant to be a way to take stuff apart, then that's one thing - but if it is actually the scientific entropy, then Calabim could do some pretty funky stuff just by jacking up the entropy inside a particular substance and messing with physics. That was a long sentence. For example: plastics. A Calabite could jack up the entropy in plastics and cause them to shrink in on themselves. Not necessarily tear them apart - though that's possible - but just shrink. There are a bunch of similar effects that could be manifested, but I wanted to check and see if this was absurd before I started annoying my GM with this stuff. Thanks all, Dan Ozdowski - already scanning texts for "Stupid Calabim Tricks" - -- Don't blame me, I voted for Sgarlata. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:33:36 -0400 From: Highway Star Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Canon At 12:10 -0500 9/19/97, tom timberlake wrote: > >Another thought, and yes I am still on loan--if IT is a handgun, would >that make it a SMIF and Wesson? *Grin, Duck, & Run like an Ofanim on >speed* > What is this, Callahan's Cross-Tether Saloon on Punday? Whoa. Now there's an idea. Mike Callahan - he claims to be human, but we all know he's really a Cherubim... SeanMike - ---- Sean Michael Whipkey, smw4s@virginia.edu Weldon Cooper Center for Public Service, Publications Div. 804/924-4185 (or -4188) voicenet, 804/982-5536 fax http://www.virginia.edu/~cpserv/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:28:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Davidson Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Canon On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, tom timberlake wrote: > Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > > > > > Official In Nomine cannon -- where SMIF draws a big gun... > > > > Um. > > > > I haven't had breakfast yet. > > _This_ I would like to see--no, not Arch Beth having breakfast, The > Official In Nomine Cannon! > I think I've seen a write-up on this: Official In Nomine Cannon: Accuracy +2, Power +6.... But then again, I haven't had breakfast, either. :) Thomas Davidson tdavidso@suffolk.lib.ny.us MUSIC: Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Rush, Jimi Hendrix GAMES: Champions (old and new), In Nomine, Nephilim TV: The X-Files, the Simpsons, Superman, The Tick, the Animaniacs OTHER: Religion, Philosophy, mysticism, the runes, the Tarot, writing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:47:30 -0400 From: Adam Canning Subject: IN> Malakim and lucifer From: Kingsley Lintz >[Heh..MaBarry just stuck the image in my mind of a Kapharim in the Vessel of a little girl walking up to Lucifer, taking his hand, looking up into his eyes, and suddenly smiling. "It's okay; you're forgiven. You want to come home now?"]< For a Malakim something like that is the best solution to the The Demon Prince of Rock and Roll. So having dubbed your face and voice over the soundtrack. Lucifer turns up and offers youa boon and you ask him to repent and reley on having a spare body or two to take the reaction. [When I did this I lost three spare vessels, using the interpretation that your spare vessels instantly turn up, before he got bored and left. Isn't Philosopical munchkinism fun.] Adam Canning ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:30:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Hobbes Subject: IN> Calabite question I have a question about the Calabite resonance. From page 145: "A Calabite is surrounded by an invisible field of entropy that can break down any ordered structure within its reach." How literally can this be taken in scientific terms? Speaking as someone with very passable chemical knowledge, you can do some pretty funky stuff if you could spontaneously jack up the entropy in a material. Should this passage be interpreted as "entropy" solely in a destructive fashion - or is it actually a manifestation of ENTROPY, the fun and wonderful stuff that makes life in many Thermodynamics classes a living hell? If the second case is true, a Calabite with skill in Chemistry could do many things with his resonance beyond merely breaking stuff. A choice example would be plastics: Any Calabite imposing entropy on a plastic material would cause it to shrink. Not necessarily rip itself to pieces - although that's possible - but just decrease it's total volume. I'm comfortable with the science side of this, but is it really what was intended? Help....... Dan Ozdowski already looking through textbooks for fun tricks to annoy the GM.... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:47:38 -0400 From: Adam Canning Subject: IN> Dominic.Net Message text written by rogue@ez-net.com (Brent DeHut) >> Now think of super-deformed Dominic, with six great big eyes peeping >> adorably out of his cute li'l hood. >> >> [panel 1: SD Dominic and SD Laurence on a cloud, chatting] >> >> [panel 2: An SD angel with several big jagged angry notes of Discord >> hovering over him goes by] >> >> [panel 3: Before SD Laurence's amazed eyes, SD Dom whips out a mallet >> that's twice as big as he is and flattens the Discordant angel, >> knocking a hole in the cloud under him with predictable results] >> >> [panel 4: SD Dom holds up the mallet (we can now see that it has >> 'REJECTED' carved backward in its face) and grins a goofy Seraph >> grin.] VERY FUNNY. THIS MATTER WILL BE BROUGHT TO LAURENCE'S ATTENTION. REJECTED, INDEED. - - -DominicNet. Keeping Heaven safe from Heresy.< Sender:Orc@newjerusalem.com.ck Received: from emout111.mail.newjerusalem.com.ck (emout06.newjerusalem.com.ck [111.111.111.111]) by hil-img-8.Heaven.gov.ck (1.1.1/1.1.1/1.1) with ESMTP id NAA25295 for ; Friday, 19 Sep 1997 13:48:08 +0100 (CST) From: Orc@newjerusalem.com.ck Received: (from root@localhost) by emout111.newjerusalem.com.ck (111.111.111.111) id DOMINIC for Dominic@Heaven.gov.ck; Friday, 19 Sep 1997 13:48:06 +0400 (CST) Date: FR, 19 Sep 1997 13:48:06 +0100 (CST) Message-ID: <970919134522_-996586111@ emout111.mail.newjerusalem.com.ck> To: Dominic@Heaven.gov.ck Subject: The Caps lock Key cc in_nomine@lists.io.com Dear Archangel of Judgement If the little light marked Caps lock is green, You only get capitals. Try using the Caps lock keyto make it go out so you can type in lower case. This is easier to read. Orc - Angel of Networks Who has the task of trying to explain modern technology to Antedeluvian Archangels. < Adam Canning ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #348 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.