From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Sep 19 23:30:07 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA01853 for ; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:30:07 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id XAA18660 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:09:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:09:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199709200409.XAA18660@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #349 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, September 19 1997 Volume 01 : Number 349 In this digest: Re: IN> Calabim Re: IN> Dominic.Net Re: Re: IN> Mundane soul-trading Re: IN> email to purchase Marches IN> In Nomine Canon Re: IN> Mundane soul-trading Re: IN> The Marches: A review Re: IN> InNomFAQ List Updates Re: IN> In Nomine Canon Re: IN> Anime Lilim Re: IN>Undead (was: Mundane soul-trading) Re: IN> Calabite question Re: IN> The Marches: A review IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #348 Re: IN> In Nomine Canon...not! Re: IN>Undead (was: Mundane soul-trading) Re: IN> In Nomine Canon...not! Re: IN> Counter-spamming: Existence proof of it working IN> In Nomine Canon--working off two Geases/1 by bringing things up on the list Re: IN> Dominic.Net Re: Geas Entrapment (Re: IN> Lilith's Potence) Re: IN> In Nomine Canon Re: IN> Calabim Re: IN> Calabim Re: IN> In Nomine Canon...not! Re: IN> Counter-spamming: Existence proof of it working Re: IN> Counter-spamming: Existence proof of it working Re: IN> the In Nomine Cannon Re: IN> Calabite question Re: IN> In Nomine Canon...not! IN> Janus, Valefor, and ...?! Re: IN> InNomFAQ List Updates Re: IN> In Nomine Canon Re: IN> The Marches: A review Re: IN> Malakim Re: IN> Malakim ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:55:46 -0400 From: Highway Star Subject: Re: IN> Calabim Oh wise Dan forgot one very important thing: just 'cause it's canon or non-canon doesn't mean that I will or won't impose it on my game world. At 12:39 -0400 9/19/97, Hobbes wrote: >There has been a 4 day delay in this post, so I'm gonna try >again, but I apologize if this message is duplicated - I'm >assuming its cyber-roadkill somewhere. No duplication for me, so I'm assuming that it got sacrificed to the Ethereal Gods of the 'Net, a form of dream all onto its own... >How literally may this be taken? Is this merely representative >of entropy in terms of destructive disorder, or is it actually >"S", the entropy that makes most thermodynamics courses a living >hell? Uh-oh...hmmm...I'd wager that it's a low level form of "S" that can be amplified, concentrated, and aimed. Does this mean I'll have to borrow someone's thermodynamics books?:) >physics. That was a long sentence. And you're not even an English major. >manifested, but I wanted to check and see if this was absurd >before I started annoying my GM with this stuff. Ahh...but you've already annoyed me! (Just kidding, of course.) Hell, I think it's a darn tootin' cool idea...that is, until I figure out someway to turn it against you. > Dan Ozdowski - already scanning texts for "Stupid >Calabim Tricks" Ooo! Ooo! Can I have "Stupid Servitors of Andre Tricks"?:) >Don't blame me, I voted for Sgarlata. You understand that, I understand that, but does anybody else on this list? Nope, I bet...and if they do, they should contact us so we can buy 'em a beer.:) SeanMike PS - Dan, are Friday afternoons good playing time for you and Beaker? I have both paintball club and Kevin's RoleMaster game on Sunday afternoons now. - ---- Sean Michael Whipkey, smw4s@virginia.edu Weldon Cooper Center for Public Service, Publications Div. 804/924-4185 (or -4188) voicenet, 804/982-5536 fax http://www.virginia.edu/~cpserv/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:39:59 -0400 From: Highway Star Subject: Re: IN> Dominic.Net At 13:47 -0400 9/19/97, Adam Canning wrote: >Subject: The Caps lock Key > >Dear Archangel of Judgement > > If the little light marked Caps lock is green, You only get >capitals. Try using the Caps lock keyto make it go out so you can type in >lower case. This is easier to read. > >Orc - Angel of Networks I guess it just goes to prove... Even in eternity it's always September on the 'net. This does bring up one question I have for ya Adam, though - what is the ".ck" extension for the email addresses? SeanMike bets that Hell's web page uses lots of "blink" and frames - but Nybbas' has a damn nice one... Andre runs the porno sites... hmmm.... - ---- Sean Michael Whipkey, smw4s@virginia.edu Weldon Cooper Center for Public Service, Publications Div. 804/924-4185 (or -4188) voicenet, 804/982-5536 fax http://www.virginia.edu/~cpserv/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:55:28 -0400 (EDT) From: IQJason@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: IN> Mundane soul-trading The Calabim writes: "What is a sexy-vampire's status in IN? Saminga seems like he wouldn't want his vampires to be sexy. What about Andre? he might create a few, or then again he might abhor the whole undead concept. And there is no demon prince of tragic hipness. ;-)" A "sexy vampire" might be an Impudite of Saminga: kill them with your Fangs NC, then drain the Essence from the corpse. yours, - -J ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:49:36 -0400 From: Hunter Johnson Subject: Re: IN> email to purchase Marches On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:54:49 -1000, jumpshot@iniaccess.net.au (Karen J Davies) said: > I am unable to access the SJG catalog web page and here in AUstralia > the Marches is not due for release for wuite some time apparantly. > Being of impatient spirit, does someone know an email address I can > send to to find out slaes details for said item with postage down > under ? sjgames@io.com is the generic SJG email address. melinda@io.com is the specific address for Direct Mail Sales (for Melinda De La Torre, SJG Direct Mail / Traffic Mgr. Assistant). Hunter - -- J. Hunter Johnson /\ SJG Errata Coordinator (sjg-errata@io.com) http://www.io.com/~jhunterj/ /()\ Knightmare Chess Development Coordinator jhunterj@io.com /____\ South Park: Care Bears on Acid -- G.C. Settlers RoboRally Brain Groo LunchMoney DinoHunt Knightmare GURPS AoR INWO ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:53:01 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> In Nomine Canon >>>_This_ I would like to see--no, not Arch Beth having breakfast, The Official In Nomine Cannon!<<< Hmm, maybe I can still add it to the Librum Reliquarium.... Or not. I haven't had breakfast yet either. - -David http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/DavidEdelstein/innomine.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:47:43 -0400 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> Mundane soul-trading > Some other stuff indicates that demons *cannot* > "buy" a mortal's soul. They can make someone Hellsworn, binding the > mortal in feelings of obligation, freedom from responsibility, and > fear of death for betrayal. But they can't have a "go directly to > Hell, do not pass go" contract. The human has to actually do the > evil things... which is usually easy enough -- if the human believes > he's damned anyway by signing a contract, then he'll wind up Hellside. Yes. I imagine Kobal thinks this is the greatest joke of all time. _Convince_ someone they have sold their soul and then just let them damn themselves... - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:49:55 -0400 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> The Marches: A review On Sep 18, 2:32pm, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > Subject: Re: IN> The Marches: A review > At 11:38 AM -0400 9/18/97, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: > >Ray Snyder's stuff was particularly evocative, though sometimes hard to > >comprehend (there's a point where style _does_ overcome form!) > > Also known as p. 24: "What The Hell Is That?" > > If anyone knows, please, tell me.... I think it's an open skull (note the thing that looks sorta like a brain) with an open screaming mouth with a lot of jaggy teeth beneath it. Just a guess, mind you... - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:55:29 -0400 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> InNomFAQ List Updates On Sep 18, 5:59pm, Dacit2@aol.com wrote: > Subject: IN> InNomFAQ List Updates > First off, InNom is outstanding. Thank you so much for publishing it; it was > worth the wait. > My main reason for writing is concerning the FAQ list for the game. I like > to stay on top of recent rules clarifications via the WWW, but it has been > very inconvenient to have to download and sift through the entire list to > find out the latest on the game. What I would suggest (for those of us that > are trying to stay on Laurence's cutting edge yet trying to maintain the > efficency of Dominic) is that any updated information is given it's own > section at the bottom of the FAQ list for 'x' amount of time (one month?) > before being integrated into the master list. Not necessarily an entire > page, mind you (I know memory doesn't come cheap), just a place where the > newest FAQ's and rules clarifications have not yet been 'shuffled into the > deck.' After this point (since it's already out), I'm going to put a little 'new' tag next to updated and new items. Should make things easier to find. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:53:36 -0400 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Canon On Sep 18, 4:38pm, David Edelstein wrote: > Subject: IN> In Nomine Canon > >>>>Somehow I think TPTB aren't going to go for that level of change. > > I'm sure not. But you can always do it at home...<<< > > > Please emphasize that, repeatedly, Oh Great Line Editor and Arch-Nemesis! > We're trying to make the "official" universe as interesting, internally > consistent, widely appealing, and highly exportable as possible -- all at > once even! But we're going to introduce canon decisions and plotlines and > interpretations of historical events, and so on, that not every GM will > like. I *guarantee* that some In Nomine GMs out there are going to come up > with their own version of how certain historical events related to the War, > and then an official In Nomine supplement will come out and contradict it. > > How much you want to tinker with the official Steve Jackson Games In Nomine > Universe (tm) is up to you -- but speaking as an In Nomine writer who is > also an In Nomine GM, *my* In Nomine campaign already differs from the > official one (in some cases, differing from stuff *I wrote* for the > official universe!) and it's been my impression that this is true of other > writers as well. > > If your campaign is already set up around Lilim being able to trade > Geases-- > > If you want to say Bill Gates is one of Vapula's vessels-- > > If you think the idea of Malakim secretly being demons (heh heh heh heh > heh....)-- > > Go for it! I agree wholeheartedly with David. My universe is already different, both in history and gameplay. As long as we all speak roughly the same language of In Nomine, we can still share ideas and get news. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:05:41 -0500 (CDT) From: "Austin G. Loomis" Subject: Re: IN> Anime Lilim On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 (Le Travail, 205 AR), at 08:32:43 -0500 (CDT), Scott Johnson wrote: > On Wed, 17 Sep 1997, Casca wrote: [...] > > Presenting "Belldandy as Bright Lilim". > > Heh. I've really got to finish my In Anime articles at some point - At the risk of either being overly brusque or gushing embarrassingly, that's a definite 9.9 from the Mississippian judge. (I know I've been waiting for them ever since he first mentioned the possibility.) > I've been working on a description of the Relief Angel Help Line (along > with Video Angels and Magical Girls of God.) Mercurians, Cherubim, and > the occasional Bright Lil or even Elohite, all working for Yves to help > the good-hearted but meek fulfill their Destinies, via the occasional > wrong number... > Personally, I'm more interested in the Magical Girls. (Though, having sneaked a peek at The Marches when I was at LoneStarCon, I'm more inclined to suspect they'd be Soldiers [or should I say Senshi?] of the August Prosperity Collective. Speaking which, Scott, if you've seen TM, how does the APC impact your previously-announced plans to write up the kami?) Austin G. "I ask only for information" Loomis, MiSTie #84029 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:01:08 -0400 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN>Undead (was: Mundane soul-trading) > Are there other ways of becoming undead than being promoted to it by > Demons of Death? I like the thought of egyptians creating real mummies > before Saminga learned about it. Could Ethereal beings (ie Egyptian Gods) > create promote mummies? And can Vampires create other vampires (as > according to Ann Rice, and World of Darkness)? Egyptians created mummies that _couldn't_ be risen because they didn't want them walking around (Night Music somewhere). The egyptian gods probably know some tricks. My non-canon opinion is that Saminga has some rarely-granted Attunements that he may give to some Vampires to let them create more vampires. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:05:04 -0400 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> Calabite question On Sep 16, 4:30pm, Hobbes wrote: > Subject: IN> Calabite question > I have a question about the Calabite resonance. > > From page 145: > "A Calabite is surrounded by an invisible field of > entropy that can break down any ordered structure within its > reach." > > How literally can this be taken in scientific terms? Speaking > as someone with very passable chemical knowledge, you can do > some pretty funky stuff if you could spontaneously jack up the > entropy in a material. Should this passage be interpreted as > "entropy" solely in a destructive fashion - or is it actually a > manifestation of ENTROPY, the fun and wonderful stuff that makes > life in many Thermodynamics classes a living hell? > > If the second case is true, a Calabite with skill in Chemistry > could do many things with his resonance beyond merely breaking > stuff. A choice example would be plastics: Any Calabite > imposing entropy on a plastic material would cause it to > shrink. Not necessarily rip itself to pieces - although that's > possible - but just decrease it's total volume. > > I'm comfortable with the science side of this, but is it really > what was intended? Help....... The Calabim don't have much control over their field. They can _purposely_ destroy things, sometimes, but fine control would be beyond them. So maybe the plastic would shrink, it might weather and crack, it may break in half, or, sometimes, it will last up for a few days. There's something inherently oxymoronic in trying to use a field of entropy carefully and precisely! ;) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:46:26 -0400 From: Hunter Johnson Subject: Re: IN> The Marches: A review On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:32:42 -0400, Elizabeth McCoy said: >At 11:38 AM -0400 9/18/97, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: >>Ray Snyder's stuff was particularly evocative, though sometimes hard to >>comprehend (there's a point where style _does_ overcome form!) >Also known as p. 24: "What The Hell Is That?" >If anyone knows, please, tell me.... In addition to being Gigeresque (as noted), it also reminded me of the Barons from id Software's DOOM. Hunter - -- J. Hunter Johnson /\ SJG Errata Coordinator (sjg-errata@io.com) http://www.io.com/~jhunterj/ /()\ Knightmare Chess Development Coordinator jhunterj@io.com /____\ South Park: Care Bears on Acid -- G.C. Settlers RoboRally Brain Groo LunchMoney DinoHunt Knightmare GURPS AoR INWO ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:58:12 -0400 From: Dominic Braun Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #348 Just noticed the question about how Malakim notice whether or not their fellows are dissonant, and I remembered something that I read in The Marches ( Forgive me if someone pointed this out, I haven't been able to read for about a week ). I don't have Marches with me, so as far as I can remember it says something about how Uriel ( AA of Purity ) was the first Malakim, then goes on to say that it was he who kept the Malakim pure ( someone with the book nearby help me out please... ) So, going with that theory you could either have the idea that Malakim are inherently purer than other choirs because of their connection to Uriel, or you could have ( again through the direct connection to Uriel ) Uriel be able to sense any major problems developing in one of his "descendants?" and be able to let other Malakim know ( again, through his connection ). It wouldn't even have to be a real message, just a compelling urge to move to where the problem Malakim is, or it could be a real message and all Malakim could be secretly corresponding with Uriel ( after all, if they swore an oath to never tell, the rest of Heaven would never know :) ). I would tend to go with the first interpretation, I _like_ the idea of a choir that is uncorruptible. In my opinion that's the entire strength of Malakim. It's also their weakness, they don't Fall because their natures aren't flexible enough, that same rigidity causes them problems in other situations ( the entire Malakim of David demon taunting situation that was going around earlier ). Also, you may notice that there are no write-ups for another Angel of Truth (AA or normal). Is Lucifer still bound to Truth as well as Lies, or is it just that he takes it _really_ personal when someone gets his old word? I would go with the second option ( "Come here and let me smite you, you silly little Seraph" ), but the first idea gets the hairs on the back of my neck going, and my players sweating :). Dominic ( Who still gets harassed by his players for his name ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:45:53 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Canon...not! On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:04:04 -0500, tom timberlake wrote: >_This_ I would like to see--no, not Arch Beth having breakfast, The >Official In Nomine Cannon! So, AA Beth would breakfast on Revelations, the serial that's shot from puns? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:26:42 +0200 (MET DST) From: Haavard Roenne Faanes Subject: Re: IN>Undead (was: Mundane soul-trading) On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: > > Are there other ways of becoming undead than being promoted to it by > > Demons of Death? I like the thought of egyptians creating real mummies > > before Saminga learned about it. Could Ethereal beings (ie Egyptian Gods) > > create promote mummies? And can Vampires create other vampires (as > > according to Ann Rice, and World of Darkness)? > > Egyptians created mummies that _couldn't_ be risen because > they didn't want them walking around (Night Music somewhere). The > egyptian gods probably know some tricks. My non-canon opinion is > that Saminga has some rarely-granted Attunements that he may give > to some Vampires to let them create more vampires. Sounds like a good idea. However, renegade Vampires would be rather impotent. Or at least their spawn will be. Perhaps there are some Sorcerous ways of creating undead? I haven't read the Marches yet, but Vampire Sorcerors sounds like a good idea. I think I'll go and bug my local gaming shop keeper now, till he decides to order The Marches :) Hâvard. - ------- Haavard R. Faanes | "Twas brillig and the slithy toves Email: hoc@nvg.ntnu.no | Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: or hoc@nuts.edu | All mimsy were the borogoves, http://www.nvg.ntnu.no/~hoc | And the mome raths outgrabe."-Lewis Caroll ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:45:57 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Canon...not! On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:53:01 -0400, David Edelstein wrote: >>>>_This_ I would like to see--no, not Arch Beth having breakfast, The >Official In Nomine Cannon!<<< > > >Hmm, maybe I can still add it to the Librum Reliquarium.... > >Or not. > > >I haven't had breakfast yet either. Sounds advantageous. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:45:37 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> Counter-spamming: Existence proof of it working On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:34:06 -0400, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >>>It *was* kinda ironic, you know. >> >> > >Sounds like Kobal twitched a grin... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:46:35 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: IN> In Nomine Canon--working off two Geases/1 by bringing things up on the list A certain person geased me into bringing a couple things to the attention of the list, especially TPTB here. In the INC informal In Nomine style guide, it says: >Superior(s) [only for AA/DP -- immediate boss is "superior"] > [Moriah suggested that one's immediate superior could also be > called: Boss, Supervisor, Director or Conductor (for that > musical motif), Chief, Master (maybe for the diabolicals), > Mentor (for the divine)] The distinction between Superior and superior is an important one, especially considering a superior could also be a Superior or just a Word-bound or even just a Celestial with a distinction. But superior is a little too subtle, especially starting a sentence. I think canonizing some word other than superior for an immediate supervisor would greatly improve the clarity of future In Nomine products. I've had some trouble myself with the distinction between Superiors and superiors. It would be nice to have one word for a superior to avoid the constant slashes or or's: Mentor/Master, Mentor or Master. Of the above I like conductor best; but the suggestion of a lightning rod bothers me, so let me suggest two more possibilities: Palatine: This has a nice Biblical feel and roughly means count. The meaning isn't quite right since a palatine is a sovereign over territory, but we might consider that the PCs' assignment is a sort of meta-territory on the moral landscape. Sponsor: The implication here is that the PCs got duty on Earth because of this sponsor as much as by permission of their Superior. It also implies the sponsor is responsible for the actions of the PCs. I rather like these implications, especially when the sponsor is a minor Celestial. All in all, I think this is the clearest choice and it's my favorite. * * * On a completely different tack, when celestials go ethereal they have the appearance of their last corporeal vessel. So, what does a Kyrio look like who has never had any vessel? Or for that matter, a celestial who goes straight to the ethereal realm, never having visited the corporeal plane? Don't you hate questions like these? Maybe, the ethereal realm being dreams, Celestials should be able to appear however they want, just by act of Will? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:10:00 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Dominic.Net I'm sorry, I haven't figured out verbatim quoting with aol yet, but... Someone asked what the .ck suffix was. I read it as the two-letter national code. .ck should be short for Celestial Kingdom. (Unless I'm reading it wrong) Still learning... Mark (would that make .ik the Infernal Kingdom's national code?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:42:46 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: Geas Entrapment (Re: IN> Lilith's Potence) [Archangel Beth replied to Walt Mazur] >>Maybe the conversion rules should be changed? Perhaps it takes two Geas/2 >>to make a Geas/3, two Geas/3 to make a Geas/4, etc. > > > Now, now. It *is* more balanced that way. It would take 32 Geas/1s instead of 6 to get someone to put in a year's service or risk their life.... Seems fair to me. If someone becomes that dependent on someone for all those little things, he really does deserve it. Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 19:06:37 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Canon At 12:36 PM -0400 9/19/97, Walter Milliken wrote: >>>And some of us just simply don't care what official "canon" is. :) >> >>Official In Nomine cannon -- where SMIF draws a big gun... > >Actually, sounds like "Bruno does In Nomine".... Bruno is a Malakite whose Word is Big Weapons. Obviously. I think my bloodsugar needs dinner now. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 19:10:27 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Calabim At 12:39 PM -0400 9/19/97, Hobbes wrote: >My question is about the Calabim resonance. On page ummm...148 >I think (don't have a book here) it says that Calabim are >surrounded by a whirling field of entropy that they may impose >on anything within their range. > >How literally may this be taken? Is this merely representative >of entropy in terms of destructive disorder, or is it actually >"S", the entropy that makes most thermodynamics courses a living >hell? Heh. Well, I'd probably take it by Superior (as is on the INC, somewhere...). Calabim of Belial burn stuff, Calabim of Kronos age it, Calabim of Baal probably explode it a bit... If there were any Calabim of Vapula, it would probably be... interesting. Plus, what Karakash said. Annoy your GM; this is the rules decision that s/he's supposed to be making based on hir feel for the game.... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 97 19:12 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Calabim >How literally may this be taken? Is this merely representative >of entropy in terms of destructive disorder, or is it actually >"S", the entropy that makes most thermodynamics courses a living >hell? I believe it's really intended as the former -- I don't think most of the main IN Superiors know about the second sort. Basically, Calabim are good at breaking things.... There is some suggestion that their resonance effect is modified by their Superior, so Kronos' Calabim break things by accelerated aging, while Belial's probably just increase the molecular motion until the object melts or burns. I don't think this is canon, though. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 19:25:49 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Canon...not! At 9:45 PM +0000 9/19/97, Walt Mazur wrote: >On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 12:04:04 -0500, tom timberlake >wrote: > >>_This_ I would like to see--no, not Arch Beth having breakfast, The >>Official In Nomine Cannon! > >So, AA Beth would breakfast on Revelations, the serial that's shot from >puns? You people are straaaaaaaaaaaaaange. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 19:26:28 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Counter-spamming: Existence proof of it working At 9:45 PM +0000 9/19/97, Walt Mazur wrote: >On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:34:06 -0400, Elizabeth McCoy > wrote: > >>>>It *was* kinda ironic, you know. >>> >>> >> >>Sounds like Kobal twitched a grin... > > If a Demon Prince made you do it, it's probably okay. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 16:27:18 From: Jeff Miller Subject: Re: IN> Counter-spamming: Existence proof of it working At 09:45 PM 9/19/97 GMT, you wrote: >On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:34:06 -0400, Elizabeth McCoy > wrote: > >>>>It *was* kinda ironic, you know. >>> >>> >> >>Sounds like Kobal twitched a grin... > > > Gee. Now you're beginning to sound like Dominic.... Jeff Miller Program Director/Webmaster for Agamemcon II Burbank Airport Hilton -- May 22-24, 1998 Contact Info: 24161-H Hollyoak (714)643-8352 Laguna Hills, CA 92656 www.primenet.com/~shadocat/agamemcon.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:57:36 -0500 From: tom timberlake Subject: Re: IN> the In Nomine Cannon Highway Star wrote: > > At 12:10 -0500 9/19/97, tom timberlake wrote: > > > >Another thought, and yes I am still on loan--if IT is a handgun, would > >that make it a SMIF and Wesson? *Grin, Duck, & Run like an Ofanim on > >speed* > > > > What is this, Callahan's Cross-Tether Saloon on Punday? > > Whoa. Now there's an idea. Mike Callahan - he claims to be human, but we > all know he's really a Cherubim... > > SeanMike Myself, I would have thought that Mike C. was/is/will be a Mercurian, either of Novalis or David--probably David--the whole teaching folks to help themselves thing, don't you know. And yes, I would have been write at home on Punday. tom t ps Ralph von Wau Wau is obviously a Mercurian of Jean in a dog's vessel, which frequently gets him confused with a Malakim of Jordi, until he opens his mouth and Sci-fi starts coming out. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 20:24:18 EST From: "PERRY M. LLOYD" Subject: Re: IN> Calabite question > The Calabim don't have much control over their field. >They can _purposely_ destroy things, sometimes, but fine control >would be beyond them. So maybe the plastic would shrink, it >might weather and crack, it may break in half, or, sometimes, it >will last up for a few days. There's something inherently >oxymoronic in trying to use a field of entropy carefully and >precisely! ;) Well, I would have to say that you're probably right around the Calabim not having too much control over their field of entropy. It's too bad, really. As a player of Mage, a little Entropy can go a long way. Manipulating the chance of any given situation can be great fun. When GMing for a Calabite NPC, I ruled that his field of Entropy was strong enough to make him easily recognizable to the Angelic PC. For instance, beer mugs keep breaking very easily with him in the bar, any beer he did carry in a mub had already begun to seperate. People who had been sitting next to him for too long complained of headaches... Pretty fun stuff. - -Perry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 02:39:07 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Canon...not! On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 19:25:49 -0400, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >>>_This_ I would like to see--no, not Arch Beth having breakfast, The >>>Official In Nomine Cannon! >> >>So, AA Beth would breakfast on Revelations, the serial that's shot from >>puns? > >You people are straaaaaaaaaaaaaange. Why, thank you! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 97 22:38:09 -0400 From: dwood@skipjack.bluecrab.org Subject: IN> Janus, Valefor, and ...?! I know, the thread discussing the theory that Janus and Valefor are one and the same is hardly new. But in searching through _The_Marches_ this evening, I found something that made me wonder even harder about this union... See the last paragraph beginning on p. 99. It mentions how a lot of the Greek "gods" have faded out of existance. The last sentence of that paragraph reads like this: "Hermes has vanished without a trace, some say to Earth, others to the unknown depths of the Marches or even to Heaven or Hell." Now this got me thinking... Hermes, or Mercury to the Romans, was the 'Messenger of the Gods,' the fastest of those particular pantheons. I don't know if he was well known for theft, but it still got me thinking... Janus and Valefor may very well be the same entity through some elaborate trick. Could Hermes have been one of his alter-egos? Or did Hermes escape the Greek myth and land himself seats both in Heaven and Hell? I'm not saying many of the other deities of myth were also played by Archangels. Jean, for instance, has the complete opposite personality of Zeus. But it made ME wonder some more about Janus and Valefor, and Hermes, and whoever *else* he might have been... - -David http://www.bluecrab.org/members/dwood/ "These days, Gabriel doesn't HAVE hot flashes..." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:51:00 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> InNomFAQ List Updates > After this point (since it's already out), I'm going to > put a little 'new' tag next to updated and new items. Should make > things easier to find. Suggestion - date things when you first put them in. Some of us are likely to miss things you deem as new because we don't check often. Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. - George Carlin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:51:01 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Canon > >>>And some of us just simply don't care what official "canon" is. :) > >> > >>Official In Nomine cannon -- where SMIF draws a big gun... > > > >Actually, sounds like "Bruno does In Nomine".... > > Bruno is a Malakite whose Word is Big Weapons. Or Bruno is a Calabite whose Word is Big Weapons. Or both. (And you thought you needed blood sugar...) Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. - George Carlin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:51:01 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> The Marches: A review > >> Also known as p. 24: "What The Hell Is That?" > > > >I'm pretty happy to see the work of more atists. (No offense to Dan.) > >Also check out the upper-leftmost silhouette on p109. That ain't a > >spear... > > Guitar. Obviously. Or a wierdly held MG... > >> If anyone knows, please, tell me.... > > > > My guess would be a Gigeresque monster burning. *shrug* > > That's all I could come up with. I'm thinking it looks a lot like Venom (ala Spiderman). But the point is walid - I like some of the work in Marches (Perez and Smith, mostly - p 82 is nice, too, if a bit cartoony). But some of it...p 63, aka "The Hand from Hell", and almost everything by whoever that is with the arrowhead-like signature. Personally I kinda dug the unified feel that Smith brought to the game. > >Oops da Ogre, Gabe's pic on 18 seemed too feminine to me, but the > > face is suitably creepy. > > (Karakash and I were arguing over which of us would be likely > to acquire the original, should such a thing be available... > We also liked the idea of T-shirts or prints.) Personally, I'm waiting for Micheal to hit the block... Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. - George Carlin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:51:01 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> Malakim > > They have some constant relaying mechanism that tells everyone they're > > current state? > > MaBarry suggests that might be what Kyriotates are for. (Well, > they had to be for SOMETHING other than possessing people's clothes and > giving wedgies.) {Alright, maybe they don't...} Saphreal glowers, and prepares to give MaBarry a wedgie (s)he's going to picking in Celestial form. After she's done doing her rendition of "The Birds" on MaBarry's vessel... Can you think of fighting something that can literally comes from all sides at once? > > There has never been one single Malakim EVER, in the entire time of > > Existance, which thought, "Hey, I wanna see if I can Fall", goes off to > > some weird part of the world where they can't be watched and tries it? > > Particularly given the weight of protection a Declining Malakim > would get from Hell. A constant honor guard of, say, thirty > Calabim and a dozen Djinn, with a general ring of a score or so > Shedim just to keep an eye on things, wouldn't be remotely out of > line for a shot at a Fallen Malakim at this stage of things...if > only to tweak Lawrence. Oooh - Kobal and Vapula working over a Outcast Malakim, trying to see if he falls. Makes an interesting adventure seed... > > But MY point is that I will never, ever, buy an argument that > >boils down to "because the rule book said so". We're creative! > >We're weird! We're > > Uh-oh...my strongest argument for Malakim-as-Demons is, "Because > the rule book said so"... It's interesting anyway... Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. - George Carlin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:44:44 -0600 (MDT) From: Kingsley Lintz Subject: Re: IN> Malakim > > MaBarry suggests that might be what Kyriotates are for. (Well, > > they had to be for SOMETHING other than possessing people's clothes and > > giving wedgies.) {Alright, maybe they don't...} > Saphreal glowers, and prepares to give MaBarry a wedgie (s)he's going > to picking in Celestial form. After she's done doing her rendition > of "The Birds" on MaBarry's vessel... Well, no, the wedgie comment was mine...MaBarry was suggesting Kyriotates primary purpose might be the network keeping tabs on everybody (particularly, in context, Malakim.) > Can you think of fighting something that can literally comes from all > sides at once? Well, yeah. (We've had a `herdmind' in our Amber world for..years now, to say nothing of hivemind.) All told, it's not going to be THAT much different from fighting eight separate somethings, also literally coming from all sides at once. > > line for a shot at a Fallen Malakim at this stage of things...if > > only to tweak Lawrence. > Oooh - Kobal and Vapula working over a Outcast Malakim, trying to see > if he falls. Makes an interesting adventure seed... Probably the major point to that second Vow, but considering an Outcast Malakim has probably broken a Vow or six in the past... ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #349 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.