From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Jan 4 20:24:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA31680 for ; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:24:34 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id UAA20505 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:19:50 -0600 Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:19:50 -0600 Message-Id: <199801050219.UAA20505@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #546 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, January 4 1998 Volume 01 : Number 546 In this digest: IN> Seraphim and Roles IN> Seraphim and Roles Re: IN> RE: Querent's cast list Re: IN> Headaches Re: IN> Re: Angelic Players' Guide Re: IN> Stopping Celestials with Technology Re: IN> Headaches IN> Seraphim and Roles Re: IN> Angelic Player's Guide Nitpicks Re: IN> Seraphim and roles Re: IN> Headaches IN> IN cast List and [off-topic] Anime Re: IN> Seraphim and Roles Re: IN> IN cast List and [off-topic] Anime Re: Anime off-topic (Re: IN> IN Anime movie trailer : 2) Re: IN> Seraphs and roles Re: IN> IN cast List and [off-topic] Anime Re: IN> IN cast List and [off-topic] Anime Re: IN> IN cast List and [off-topic] Anime Re: IN> IN cast List and [off-topic] Anime Re: IN> Fwd: What 'he' finally did... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:38:53 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Seraphim and Roles >>>I don't think so, entirely -- they don't have to say *all* the truth (unless they're Litheroy's), and indeed, may have to skirt the edge of their nature frequently. It would probably be safer to say something like, "Over 21," or "My driver's licence says I'm 53," or some other mildly humorous evasion.<<< That, yes. "I'm over 21" is quite truthful, he doesn't have to elaborate on how *much* over 21. (Though even this might make a less worldly Seraph twitch a bit.) But "I'm 21 and some change" means, in ordinary language, between 21 and 22 years old. Meaning "change" to be "640 years" is deliberately deceiving the mortal -- it's essentially using your own personal definition of a word which you know full well is different from the definition anyone else would infer, and using words to mean what YOU want them to mean as opposed to what they mean to everyone else is definitely Balseraphic. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 20:38:51 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Seraphim and Roles >>>Now imagine the fun you could have if you ask poor Zane what it's job is! I'd hope the angel could realise that the intended question is 'what is my vessel's mortal job?' and answer that without incurring dissonance. In fact, if I had any seraph PCs I think I'd be inclined to look more kindly if they tried to answer questions as directly as possible, and cut the 'seraphic evasion' down to a minimum. Word games and playing with the literal phrasing of a question rather than the intended truth behind it suit the balseraphs better IMO. <<< Bingo. Which is why one way for Seraphim to shed dissonance is to turn into "super-Seraphs"; tell nothing but the absolute, literal, unadulterated truth. (The Angelic Player's Guide, p. 26...you have bought it, haven't you? ) >>>And if someone asks that mortal if its name is Zane Davidson then the answer is yes, I'd have thought.<<< But someone asking that "mortal" is actually suffering under a misapprehension that the angel IS a mortal.... and confirming it is adding to the misdirection. A Seraph *might* be able to use the reasoning you describe, but he's stepping onto a slippery slope.... >>>Its the truth and nothing but the truth, it doesn't have to be the whole truth as well...<<< Well, lying by ommission is also treading onto that slippery slope.... >>>It might be viewed as rather careless to tell mortals the entire truth if they aren't ready for it.<<< Careless, certainly. And it would be ever so much easier if Seraphim could just use their own judgment to decide what truths it's important for mortals to know about.... ...said the Balseraph, right after he Fell. >>>Also, pity the poor mortal who asks the seraph of Jean in its role as a station manager what time the trains go to London and gets a recitation of the entire timetable.<<< Now, there the angel isn't in any way lying, even by omission, to only provide the information the mortal was asking for... he is not leaving out anything that the mortal would consider to be part of the answer. For the same reason it would be silly to think that a Seraph asked "How's the weather outside?" must recite everything from the exact temperature to the barometric pressure in order to be truthful. >>>Is a role a deception?<<< Kinda sorta not exactly. It ain't easy being a Seraph. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:55:51 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> RE: Querent's cast list At 2:05 AM -0500 1/3/98, Stacy Stroud wrote: >My comments on Querent's cast list: And some of mine... >>*THE DIVINE* >>Dominic: Lance Henriksen (Frank Black in TV's "Millenium") >>Janus: David Bowie (Jareth in "Labyrinth") > >Doesn't Janus prefer physically *huge* vessels? Then again, I don't have a >good alternate suggestion.... Arnie Schwartzen? And, weirdly enough, I'd like to see David Bowie as *Dominic*. Put him in a hooded cloak, tell him to speak very softly... >>*INFERNAL* [On vacation 22nd-28th December 1997: 400 messages when I get back!] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:30:22 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Headaches At 8:36 AM -0500 1/3/98, MarkDEddy wrote: >In a message dated 1/2/98 10:49:35 PM, you wrote: > >>(Us: "We got into a fight with a Balseraph of Theft. We >>may have convinced him to go away." >> >>Seneschal of Lightning: "I heard.") > >This reminds me... >In my game, our seraph of Laurence got into a duel with a Calabite of Baal. >In a parking garage. Directly beneath Yves' tether in Seattle. Less than a >quarter mile from Asmodeus' Tether. The two Seneschals showed up to the >fight, and ended up placing side bets. Why am I not surprised? The Game will probably bet on nearly anything, and Destiny has an inside track... Who *did* win? > Mark(Why are the tethers so close? It's the Universty of Washington >Campus!) This makes sense... At 6:39 PM -0500 1/3/98, LAstley wrote: >heh. it's taken half a year, several demons with celestial songs of light, >lots of soldiers with big guns, a few p-ed off superiors and one character >death, but i think my players have finally started to pick up on the >"disturbance is bad" theme. Oh, geeze, and here I am with the Renegade who won't raise her Forces because she already makes *plenty* of noise shifting vessels, thank you very much... (She did raise her characteristics a bit, though -- Will 7, Perception 8, and we start on the physical ones next.) >especially when in the immediate vicinity of demonic tethers . >i'd feel like a habbalite except i don't _want_ to punish them, they force me >to...honest Run Habbie emulations. You'll still have to punish them, but you'll feel better about it. >>>i hate servitors of janus > >well, not hate as such. perhaps fear would be a better word Ofanim of Litheroy. Fear them. And keep them away from blue light people. (The police wanted to know what he was doing jogging at midnight in non-jogging clothes.) >>Oh, hey, you should have seen the rampage that us Jeanites got >>into chasing a Thief... (One crashed BMW, later slightly sideswiped; I forgot the lamp-post it crashed into: somewhat bent. >>two Songs of Thunder; a Kyrio of Jean with >>Song of Acid running around possessing the Balseraph's clothing; >>the Balseraph tearing apart conductive wiring that the Kyrio was >>wrapping around him, spitting acid from and the Ofanite was >>using as a conductor for Generator...) > >cool. other people have games like mine. i was worried it was something in the >water No, it's something in the ink on the In Nomine pages. >>Janus? Who needs Janus? Lightning has *never* been quiet. > >did i mention the ofanite of lightning in my game? Oh, they're loads of fun. Take one into Feast of Blades. Take a Kyrio of Lightning who searches the house wall by wall. Heck, there was enough noise, they decided to get the Ofanite inside while the party was going on... Ofanite and Kyrio of Lightning, Seraph of Destiny, Free Renegade Lilim in service to Lightning. The demon is the only sensible one. (Or, in the other game, Free Renegade Lilim not yet in service to Lightning, Kyrio of War, strange human private investigator, and Ofanite of Litheroy. The Lilim is *still* the only sensible one.) [On vacation 22nd-28th December 1997: 400 messages when I get back!] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:33:42 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: Angelic Players' Guide At 12:09 PM -0500 1/3/98, Thomas Davidson wrote: >---------- >> From: Elizabeth McCoy [The APG] >Okay, I've had a chance to read it through once or twice, so I think I can >give a review now. I'll give it another subject, though. Also, I don't >have the time to write it up right now. Tease! >>>>Unless you're living somewhere in the future, in which case >>>>I'd like a copy of stuff so I can find the typos and errata >>>>and fix them before it's printed. >>> >>>But wouldn't that create a time paradox? Or is that impossible for the >>>AA of Archives/DP of Line Editing? :) >> >>It's part of having the Kyrio nature, and being buddies with Yves. >>Paradoxes are our friends... > >Paradoxes? Friends? :) Or was that Paradoxies, the Lustie twins? >Myself, I've been holed up with a sprained ankle (to which I have three >words: I HATE SNOW!!!). The good thing is that this has provided me plenty >of time to read the APG. :) Snow is evil. Definitely. >>>>Our local bookstore got its copies in, and we bought one... };) >>> >>>You're the LE for this nifty volume, and you had to *buy* a copy? Wow. >>> :) >> >>We needed two copies to use and one (the signed one) to cherish. > >Well, there *is* that! Sheesh, I've really gotta look into LEing something >myself, so I can get all those freebies! :) > > And I'm not parting with this job except in the way Uriel got his enforced resignation... MINE! (Hm. I do believe I'm in DP mode. As a DP, I'm either a Djinn of the nitpicking kind, or a very possessive Lilim. I haven't decided.) [On vacation 22nd-28th December 1997: 400 messages when I get back!] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 21:36:55 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Stopping Celestials with Technology At 1:10 PM -0500 1/3/98, David Wood wrote: >Quoth "Elizabeth McCoy" on 1/3/98 1:53 AM... >>At 8:44 PM -0500 1/2/98, David Wood wrote: > >>>There will be slight differences across the board. For instance, how many >>>goetic catalogs of angelic and demonic names have a seek time of .83 >>>seconds? >> >>All the ones which have been scanned in and put on a CD ROM? >expression which no-one will believe> > >What's not to believe? That's what it amounts to. Information gathering >techniques would be different, listings would be both more spartan and >more informative, but they both would amount to more or less the same >thing: a really big book on Celestial Spotting. Heh. I like it... >And why is the Archangel of the mailing list displaying the Forked Tongue >Discord? >:) > >[here inky cat prints obscure the next thousand lines of text] (It's nice having friends. Especially friends who can get together and tip a car.) >> Thanks. Shall I put it in as an adventure seed, or fiction? >>Or both? > >Fiction: absolutely. > >Adventure seed: no. But if you got a section in there on alternate >campaign settings, it could grow into one of those. Settings. Okay, I can cross-list it in Settings. Now, to get a scrap of time to call my own... (My spouse is still on vacation, so I'm still distracted...) >I'm tempted to call it the Secular Victory? or [SV?] setting, but that >might be a form of hubris... Would people like to see this fleshed out >further? If so, reply to me personally so we keep the bandwidth on the >list fairly low. > >>[On vacation 22nd-28th December 1997: 400 messages when I get back!] > >Gee, you'd think she subscribes to a *mailing list* or something! >:) <:) >>:) Oh, some large fraction was spam, too. Blech. [On vacation 22nd-28th December 1997: 400 messages when I get back!] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 22:57:26 -0500 From: Brandon Quina Subject: Re: IN> Headaches > Why am I not surprised? The Game will probably bet on nearly > anything, and Destiny has an inside track... Who *did* win? ::Grins:: Ive currently got a Mercurian of Judgement who enjoys going around and 'punishing' the guilty who escape through the cracks of the US Justice system. The way he plays the character, he 'scares' /me/ sometimes. I can just imagine this guy. Clean shaven, deep blue eyes, and short black hair. He carrys around this broadsword, hidden in the folds of his jacket and -beheads- the guilty. (well, not all the guilty. Just the guilty who deserve being beheaded-- child porn people, rapist, murderers) Walks into your house, pulls out the sword, rips into you with a Corporeal Song of Charm, and recites your crime. He gives you afew minutes to give him a reason to spare your life. The other players-- expecially our Renegade 'Wanna-be-Angel' Lilim are scared to death of this guy. :) The Lilim is mostly scared of him cause A: He serves Judgement, and she is a Lilim. B: He tends to get alot of Disturbance going when he gets in his 'avenge' mode. > Oh, geeze, and here I am with the Renegade who won't raise her Forces > because she already makes *plenty* of noise shifting vessels, thank > you very much... (She did raise her characteristics a bit, though -- > Will 7, Perception 8, and we start on the physical ones next.) ::Grins:: Disturbance is cool. Our lil Servitor of Judgement ranks up quite abit of it while punishing the guilty. Question: If someone creates alot of disturbance, then uses the Celestial Song of Motion to 'teleport' away, does he pretty much avoid being tracked down?? > Oh, they're loads of fun. Take one > into Feast of Blades. Take a Kyrio of Lightning who searches the > house wall by wall. Heck, there was enough noise, they decided to > get the Ofanite inside while the party was going on... Hehehe :) Mercurian of Judgement, Elohim of Creation, Kyriotate of Michael Renegade Lilim (formely of the Game), a Remnant, and Malakim of Swords. PBEM Games rule. Best of all, this is the first game ive beenable to run that is pretty much working out fine. Only had one player loose internet access/go visit africa for afew months/etc etc :) (Note: the Lilim wants to become a Servitor of Novalis :) ) One quick question: How would a renegade demon go about getting a superior? Expecially if nobody in the game (currently, atleast) serves that superior.. Another quick question: If a character does get a word (this hasnt come up yet, but it might) can he get servitors? Do they get access to his rites?? Can he give them attunements?? - -- (lore@tmgbbs.com) \\/// Brandon Lance Quina (x x) Jacksonville, FL ---ooO(_)Ooo--- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 23:07:25 -0500 From: Brandon Quina Subject: IN> Seraphim and Roles Okay.. Ive been paying attention to this topic, and ive got afew questions.. 1) If a mortal asked a Seraph what his name was, and the Seraph said "Men call me Zane." he wouldnt be lying, right?? If he said "My name is Zane" when his name was Zebadaih, then he would be lying-- even if he had a role where he was called Zane? What about "You can call me Zane." or "I go by Zane." Or even "Its not my real name, but I didnt like my given name. Im Zane, now." 2) If a demon asked a Seraph 'Are you an angel?' he would have to tell them that he was, or suffer dissonance.. Right?? Or find some way around the question. Or just not talk. - -- (lore@tmgbbs.com) \\/// Brandon Lance Quina (x x) Jacksonville, FL ---ooO(_)Ooo--- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 23:22:51 -0500 From: Brandon Quina Subject: Re: IN> Angelic Player's Guide Nitpicks > The other trick is that a Seraph does *not* need to answer the > question that was asked. If you ask, "How old are you?" and the > Seraph says "Fish", then there's no dissonance. Isnt that just abit silly. I mean. The other examples you have given seem fine, but what does 'Fish' have to do with how old the Seraph is.. Maybe "This body is 23 years old." Or "Its impolite to ask a lady her age." Or "Old enough to know better, young enough to do it anyway." Or "Old enough to be your grandfather! " :) > So if you ask, "What's your job?", the Seraph may say, "The folks at > the bar pay me to come in and sing." And, if they have a Role with > a job, they *can* say, "I was hired to do [x]," or even just "I do > [x]" (ommitting the "When I'm not busy smiting evil" part). "What do you do, hon?" "Im a Seraphm in the Service to Creation who is currently on the trail of a Shedim of the Game. I also sing and dance at the bar across the street. Yourself?" > In a way. The firmer the Role, the less of a deception it is. For > instance, many people call me Beth, ArchBeth, Archangel Beth (no > kidding), and I even refer to myself in the third person as > "Archangel." ("Hungry Archangel! Feed the Archangel before she > starts throwing things due to low blood sugar!" Spouse: "Okay, > okay, we'll feed the Archangel. What do you want to eat?") ::Grins:: Ive gotten into the habit of calling my girlfriend Novalis. Its funny, if you looked at her and then at the picture of Novalis you could SEE the resemblance.. Its uncanny.. She even came over for the last game in the same type of 'hippi' dress that Novalis is wearing, with a flower in her hair. :) We all cracked up.. Question Everybody.. If you were a non-mundane thing in the In Nomine universe, what would you be?? I asked myself, and my other friends (we'll be starting a RL in nomine game once our Dragonlance: Fifth Age game dies down. They've all bought the book, and the APG :) ) Me: Elohim of Novalis. Megan, Girlfriend: the ArchAngel Novalis;) They even act alike. /Never/ step on a bug or get in a fight around my girlfriend. Jessica, Best Friend: a Soldier of Hell, in Service to Lust. to Megan n' Myself (I sometimes believe she really /is/ a soldier of hell in service to Andre) Keith, Megans Brother: Ofanim of Jean. - -- (lore@tmgbbs.com) \\/// Brandon Lance Quina (x x) Jacksonville, FL ---ooO(_)Ooo--- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 23:38:26 -0400 (EDT) From: gibsonc@NKU.EDU Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim and roles > That, yes. "I'm over 21" is quite truthful, he doesn't have to elaborate on > how *much* over 21. (Though even this might make a less worldly Seraph > twitch a bit.) But "I'm 21 and some change" means, in ordinary language, > between 21 and 22 years old. Meaning "change" to be "640 years" is > deliberately deceiving the mortal -- it's essentially using your own > personal definition of a word which you know full well is different from > the definition anyone else would infer, and using words to mean what YOU > want them to mean as opposed to what they mean to everyone else is > definitely Balseraphic. I have to disagree here. As I see it, if a seraph can mislead but not lie, than she could tell a person she was 23 and some change, because literally she is. Its the same as taking a job. Of course if you are a seraph and you tell someone, ", I'm a cop". Then you damn well better be on someone's payroll. But if you judge in heaven or as a job of your Archangel you could always answer the "what do you do?" question with "I am a judge". ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:58:35 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> Headaches > Ofanim of Litheroy. Fear them. And keep them away from blue light > people. > > (The police wanted to know what he was doing jogging at midnight in > non-jogging clothes.) "They're kinda like Dominic's servators, only for humans." "Oh, Dominic's okay." Another instance of the "God, I'm glad they can't arrest this vessel" (I was the rat that was in the pocket of his shirt). > >cool. other people have games like mine. i was worried it was > >something in the water > > No, it's something in the ink on the In Nomine pages. Well, if you don't chew on the pages... > (Or, in the other game, Free Renegade Lilim not yet in service to > Lightning, Kyrio of War, strange human private investigator, and > Ofanite of Litheroy. The Lilim is *still* the only sensible one.) Sez her player. What's so insensible about Saphreal? Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com "It's the eternal question, really; to be a slave in Heaven, or a star in Hell. But sometimes Hell doesn't look like Hell. On a good day, it can look like LA." - Playing God ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:17:51 -0600 (CST) From: rogue@ez-net.com Subject: IN> IN cast List and [off-topic] Anime IN Cast List >> Kobal: John Malkovich (Cyrus 'the virus' Grissom in "Con Air") > >I prefer Malkovich as Malphas. For Kobal, I'm thinking Kevin Spacey. Personally, I'd lean toward Denis Leary here. He has the caustic, bitter disillusioned thing going. >> Lilith: Sharon Stone (Catherine Tramell in "Basic Instinct") > >Uma Thurman (drooooooool) Agreed! >> Nybbas: Ben Kingsley (Cosmo in "Sneakers") Though Jonathan Price has >> shown he's not all bad at playing a media baron. > >Gotta go with James Woods. > >- -- Casca, Seraph of Archives >(bertishg@db.erau.edu) Respectful disagreement, Casca- Nybbas *is* Jim Carrey. OK, moving on. I know this is gonna sound ignorant, but I'm just a poor backwater demon with no experience in this particular area... ... so can anyone recommend some good anime for me? Preferably IN-relevant, but anything good would be appreciated. My town is only 5000 people (about 4,985 of which are non gamers, and 4,985 of which have never even *heard* of anime), so I've never had much chance to see it. The limits of my experience include Vampire Hunter D, one episode of Tenchi, half of Akira and a bit of Battle Angel (at Gencon two years ago.) All suggestions are appreciated- but ArchBeth, I warn you... start inflicting Geasa on me and I *will* play dirty for revenge. ;) - -Rogue, Djinn Duke of Daredevils, The Demon Of Running Red Lights ("Red means stop!" "I don't care. BUCKLE UP!") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 23:29:31 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Seraphim and Roles At 8:38 PM -0500 1/3/98, David Edelstein wrote: >>>>I don't think so, entirely -- they don't have to say *all* the >truth (unless they're Litheroy's), and indeed, may have to skirt >the edge of their nature frequently. It would probably be safer >to say something like, "Over 21," or "My driver's licence says >I'm 53," or some other mildly humorous evasion.<<< > > >That, yes. "I'm over 21" is quite truthful, he doesn't have to elaborate on >how *much* over 21. (Though even this might make a less worldly Seraph >twitch a bit.) But "I'm 21 and some change" means, in ordinary language, >between 21 and 22 years old. Ahhhh, okay, then yes, 640 years is rather a bit of change. I wasn't aware of that usage, for some reason. (And then there's my mom's celebrating another annaversary of her 21st birthday, and all. Humor. Humor is the Seraph's friend. Learn to make little jokes... >Meaning "change" to be "640 years" is >deliberately deceiving the mortal -- it's essentially using your own >personal definition of a word which you know full well is different from >the definition anyone else would infer, and using words to mean what YOU >want them to mean as opposed to what they mean to everyone else is >definitely Balseraphic. Definitely. (Though using an archaic definition would be potentially less troublesome?) [On vacation 22nd-28th December 1997: 400 messages when I get back!] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 00:45:38 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> IN cast List and [off-topic] Anime > >> Kobal: John Malkovich (Cyrus 'the virus' Grissom in "Con Air") > > > >I prefer Malkovich as Malphas. For Kobal, I'm thinking Kevin Spacey. > > Personally, I'd lean toward Denis Leary here. He has the caustic, > bitter disillusioned thing going. Mmmhm. Yep, he counts. Or, for an older Kobal, George Carlin. > >> Lilith: Sharon Stone (Catherine Tramell in "Basic Instinct") > > > >Uma Thurman (drooooooool) > > Agreed! Ug. I liked Thurman in Pulp Fiction, but she doesn't strike me as right for the role. > >> Nybbas: Ben Kingsley (Cosmo in "Sneakers") Though Jonathan Price has > >> shown he's not all bad at playing a media baron. > > > >Gotta go with James Woods. > > Respectful disagreement, Casca- Nybbas *is* Jim Carrey. Carrey is too manic for Nybbas. Nybbas isn't the performer - he's the agent behind the performer. > OK, moving on. I know this is gonna sound ignorant, but I'm just a > poor backwater demon with no experience in this particular area... > > ... so can anyone recommend some good anime for me? Preferably > IN-relevant, but anything good would be appreciated. Well, not particularly IN relevant, but just the shit anyway: Ranma 1/2. Beth is currently sinking little hooks into my soul by letting me borrow from her subbed collection, and boy, is it worth it. It also nicely illustrates three handy anime laws: 1) "Nobody dies in this film, they just get really big boo-boos." 2) The simplest form of love is a triangle. 3) "Superman! Clark Kent was *just* here!" Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com "It's the eternal question, really; to be a slave in Heaven, or a star in Hell. But sometimes Hell doesn't look like Hell. On a good day, it can look like LA." - Playing God ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 01:05:35 +0000 From: "Patrick Chester" Subject: Re: Anime off-topic (Re: IN> IN Anime movie trailer : 2) > At 2:34 AM +0000 1/3/98, Patrick Chester wrote: > >> At 7:28 PM -0600 12/21/97, Redneck Gaijin wrote: > > >> Dubs, ick.... > > > >Luckily, Mangle Entertainment does put out some subtitled stuff. Now > >if we could only get them to sub the Giant Robo series. > > Well, all we buy are subs... I think Giant Robo is the only dub I currently am keeping. :-) > >> (And then there's the "Warriors of the Wind" mutilated; > >> and yet it's what sent me really ga-ga on this stuff!) > > > >That was one of the things that started my interest in anime too. > >And the original 'Naussica' was SO much better. :) > > *HAVE YOU GOT A COPY*????? No, sorry. > >> Mmmm.... Except Kasumi! > > > >Well, Kasumi is, well, Kasumi. :-) > > When she's not Belldandy. (The Japanese voice-actress does > both roles.) Yep. > >>>Well, -yes-.....but please note how I qualified my statement. > >> > >>Point taken. > > > >Flight 005 Conspiracy was one of the ones that got a bit grim. Or at > >least I wasn't laughing at the mayhem they caused at the end. > > Which one was that? The one with the psi-kid? Yeah, that > one annoyed me, for some reason. No, that was something else. This one had a warpshuttle explode in deep space, but no insurance claims were filed by any passenger's relatives. > >I liked the animation, but found the original manga to be much > >better. Of course, the movie scrunched an 8-issue manga series into a > >90-min or so movie. > > AHHHHH! MANGA! Okay, the manga was probably cooler. > > >Ick, this just gave me the thought of being able to copy an IN soul > >into some computer memory. *BRR* > > I like it. Celestial braintaping and ghostcomping... > >>>I know others have disagreed, but I -still- think Bell-chan is a Bright > >>>Lilim. > >> > >> I could see that, actually... She's so *giving*. > > > >Hmm... Skuld as a servitor of Jean with a Need of Ice Cream? ;-) > > Yes. Utterly. And Skuld is a Malakite. Except her oath is to never suffer a Bug to live. ;-) > I don't know what Urd is, though. Renegade of Andre's maybe. > > >> [On vacation 22nd-28th December 1997: 400 messages when I get back!] > > > >Whee! O_o;; > > Here, have another. MUAAHAHAHAHAHHAH! ;-) Patrick Chester (aka: claypigeon, Sinapus) wolfone@io.com "Well Jim, that proves it. The Universe not made up of an endless vacuum of eternal nothingness like we once believed. The Universe is in fact made up of Fabio." -Cape Carbunkle bunch at work. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 02:09:06 -0400 (EDT) From: gibsonc@NKU.EDU Subject: Re: IN> Seraphs and roles > Okay.. Ive been paying attention to this topic, and ive got afew > questions.. > > 1) If a mortal asked a Seraph what his name was, and the Seraph > said "Men call me Zane." he wouldnt be lying, right?? If he said > "My name is Zane" when his name was Zebadaih, then he would be lying-- > even if he had a role where he was called Zane? > > What about "You can call me Zane." or "I go by Zane or even " its not > not my real name, but I didnt like my given name. Im Zane, now." Did he like his given name, if so its a lie. > > 2) If a demon asked a Seraph 'Are you an angel?' he would have > to tell them that he was, or suffer dissonance.. Right?? Or find > some way around the question. Or just not talk. > No, he can say no, since they are supposed to keep that secret at all times possible. If the angel knew for a fact it was a demon asking, then I'd say GM discretion, if the angel didn't know he is to keep up the veil. Though a seraph should be so used to misleading he should quickly answer" don't tell me you believe in angels" or some other truthful diversion. If the player says something misleading that is in fact litteraly the truth then he didn't lie. Seraphs can't lie, but the can tell partial truthes and dodge questions. Only when they actually say something they know to be false, or something universally believed to be false. The angel couldn't say the moon was really made of cheese. The seraph may never have actually seen the moon up close, but its pretty accepted to be rock. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:06:55 -0500 (EST) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> IN cast List and [off-topic] Anime > > OK, moving on. I know this is gonna sound ignorant, but I'm just a > > poor backwater demon with no experience in this particular area... > > > > ... so can anyone recommend some good anime for me? Preferably > > IN-relevant, but anything good would be appreciated. Well, it would help to know what your tastes are.....anime comes in different genres, just like other forms of entertainment. The closest to IN that I can think of at the morning (5 am...insomnia...whee) is Vampire Princess Miyu. The main character spends a lot of time hunting down ethereals/rogue celestials and banishing/destroying them. Might give you some ideas, might not. Either way, it's a damn fine series. > me borrow from her subbed collection, and boy, is it worth it. It > also nicely illustrates three handy anime laws: Anime -comedy- laws. > 1) "Nobody dies in this film, they just get really big boo-boos." > > 2) The simplest form of love is a triangle. > > 3) "Superman! Clark Kent was *just* here!" Why does this description remind me of _Teenagers From Outer Space_? - -- Casca, Seraph of Archives (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 05:29:56 +0000 From: "Patrick Chester" Subject: Re: IN> IN cast List and [off-topic] Anime > > > OK, moving on. I know this is gonna sound ignorant, but I'm just a > > > poor backwater demon with no experience in this particular area... > > > > > > ... so can anyone recommend some good anime for me? Preferably > > > IN-relevant, but anything good would be appreciated. > > Well, it would help to know what your tastes are.....anime comes in > different genres, just like other forms of entertainment. MANY different. :-) > The closest to IN that I can think of at the morning (5 am...insomnia...whee) > is Vampire Princess Miyu. The main character spends a lot of time hunting > down ethereals/rogue celestials and banishing/destroying them. Might give > you some ideas, might not. Either way, it's a damn fine series. Funny, I'm listening to a BGM CD from that show. :) Also, the shinma appear to be creations of human fears. Or at least they get drawn into the corporeal world by dreams and fears. > > me borrow from her subbed collection, and boy, is it worth it. It > > also nicely illustrates three handy anime laws: > > Anime -comedy- laws. Well, #1 is a comedy law. The other two might fit into other genres. ["In space, constant thrust equals constant velocity." -another law of anime that amuses me.] > > 1) "Nobody dies in this film, they just get really big boo-boos." > > > > 2) The simplest form of love is a triangle. > > > > 3) "Superman! Clark Kent was *just* here!" Patrick Chester (aka: claypigeon, Sinapus) wolfone@io.com "Well Jim, that proves it. The Universe not made up of an endless vacuum of eternal nothingness like we once believed. The Universe is in fact made up of Fabio." -Cape Carbunkle bunch at work. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:59:54 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> IN cast List and [off-topic] Anime > > Well, it would help to know what your tastes are.....anime comes in > > different genres, just like other forms of entertainment. > > MANY different. :-) It depends how wide you want to define anime, too. I tend to classify hentai (japanese for pervert - basically animated porn, though usually pretty depraved) seperately, though it's the same style of animation. > > > me borrow from her subbed collection, and boy, is it worth it. > > > It also nicely illustrates three handy anime laws: > > > > Anime -comedy- laws. > > Well, #1 is a comedy law. The other two might fit into other genres. > > ["In space, constant thrust equals constant velocity." -another law > of anime that amuses me.] Hadn't noticed that one, but then I have given up on almost any space based entertainment, as they invariably get some stuff wrong (if it isn't buring, it's humming or explosively decompressing). > > > 2) The simplest form of love is a triangle. This particular one might fit a non-comedic environment, but not in the same fashion as it fits Ranma. I mean, any show where the main character is fighting off a brother and sister, both of whom are convinced that said character is competing with them *for the character's other body*... > > > 3) "Superman! Clark Kent was *just* here!" This, however, just doesn't fit anything but comedy. At least, not at the level Ranma takes it to... > "Well Jim, that proves it. The Universe not made up of an endless > vacuum of eternal nothingness like we once believed. The Universe > is in fact made up of Fabio." -Cape Carbunkle bunch at work. :-) Okay, I've been meaning to ask - WHAT? Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com "It's the eternal question, really; to be a slave in Heaven, or a star in Hell. But sometimes Hell doesn't look like Hell. On a good day, it can look like LA." - Playing God ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 06:26:01 +0000 From: "Patrick Chester" Subject: Re: IN> IN cast List and [off-topic] Anime > > > Well, it would help to know what your tastes are.....anime comes in > > > different genres, just like other forms of entertainment. > > > > MANY different. :-) > > It depends how wide you want to define anime, too. I tend to > classify hentai (japanese for pervert - basically animated porn, > though usually pretty depraved) seperately, though it's the same > style of animation. True. > > > > me borrow from her subbed collection, and boy, is it worth it. > > > > It also nicely illustrates three handy anime laws: > > > > > > Anime -comedy- laws. > > > > Well, #1 is a comedy law. The other two might fit into other genres. > > > > ["In space, constant thrust equals constant velocity." -another law > > of anime that amuses me.] > > Hadn't noticed that one, but then I have given up on almost any space > based entertainment, as they invariably get some stuff wrong (if it > isn't buring, it's humming or explosively decompressing). Oh well. I don't mind sound effects, per se, since I nearly fell asleep during a certain scene in 2001. > > "Well Jim, that proves it. The Universe not made up of an endless > > vacuum of eternal nothingness like we once believed. The Universe > > is in fact made up of Fabio." -Cape Carbunkle bunch at work. :-) > > Okay, I've been meaning to ask - WHAT? Eek!Stravaganza quote. Was on FoxKids last summer, I hope it gets back on the air. Essentially, there's a running gag where they show this NASA-like location named Cape Carbunkle. In the control room, one of the staff says something like "Well, we've finally got the Hubble Space Telescope in working order. Let's see what we can find out there." Then something from the episode interferes. Either the Hubble gets hit and ends up pointed at Earth (in the above quote, it was pointed at Fabio on vacation) or they spot some horrible threat to the Earth ("My God, there's a Varkonian battlefleet heading towards us. We have only seconds to warn the Earth.") when something hits the Hubble and points it away. Then a staff member just says "Oh, I guess it was nothing. Who wants lunch?" It's demented. I may try to make up EzEek!iel, Cherub of Flowers if I lose enough SAN. :-) Patrick Chester (aka: claypigeon, Sinapus) wolfone@io.com "Well Jim, that proves it. The Universe not made up of an endless vacuum of eternal nothingness like we once believed. The Universe is in fact made up of Fabio." -Cape Carbunkle bunch at work. :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 21:08:53 EST From: T Bretz Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: What 'he' finally did... In a message dated 98-01-03 15:50:54 EST, you write: << AFAIK, neither are zebras, iguanas, or parakeets... >> Yes, but in the middle ages, where most of Christian dogma really got its roots down, those animals (with the possible exception of zebras) were unknown, except in "pagan" beastiaries like Aristotle and Pliny and therefore suspect from the beginning. theron houston ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #546 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.