From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Jan 23 19:54:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA17231 for ; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:54:44 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id TAA32762 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:52:02 -0600 Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:52:02 -0600 Message-Id: <199801240152.TAA32762@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #589 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, January 23 1998 Volume 01 : Number 589 In this digest: RE: IN> By Any Other Name Re: IN>White Hardback...and other hard to find books IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #587 Re: IN> DP of Nitpicking (Re: Raphael) Re: IN> Last Night's Quotes IN> Crossover w/ Feng Shui Re: IN>White Hardback...and other hard to find books Re: IN> Kobal's Last Prank (was Re: IN> By Any Other Name) Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #587 IN> Michael Re: IN> Kobal's Last Prank (was Re: IN> By Any Other Name) IN> remove IN> Upside Down Re: IN> Upside Down Re: IN> Humans in the Symphony Re: IN> By Any Other Name IN> DP of Nitpicking (Was Re: Raphael) Re: IN> Upside Down Re: IN> Kobal's Last Prank (was Re: IN> By Any Other Name) IN> Sorcerors Ring Re: IN> DP of Nitpicking (Was Re: Raphael) Re: IN> Upside Down Re: IN> Sorcerors Ring IN> Legion Re: IN> Sorcerors Ring Re: IN> Sorcerors Ring FLUFF: Titles (Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #584) Re: IN> Vessel bits Re: IN> DP of Nitpicking (Re: Raphael) Re: IN> Andre Re: IN> By Any Other Name Re: IN> DP of Nitpicking (Re: Raphael) Re: IN> DP of Nitpicking (Was Re: Raphael) Re: FLUFF: Titles (Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #584) Re: IN> Andre Re: IN> By Any Other Name Re: IN> Upside Down IN> The Ark of The Covenant Re: IN> Upside Down ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:09:07 -0800 From: "Steven Feldon (Exchange)" Subject: RE: IN> By Any Other Name His Word was Corruption, and he was a Demon Prince, so he didn't technically serve any one. He's first documented in an issue of Pyramid, although his existence and Word, but not his Prince status, were included in the APG, pages 11-12, the history section. steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Nathaniel Eliot [SMTP:temujin9@mci2000.com] > Sent: Friday, January 23, 1998 5:07 AM > To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com > Subject: Re: IN> By Any Other Name > > > Side note, but something that's been bothering me: What was > > Legion's name, and who did he serve? > > Oh boy - can you tell I wrote that at 2am? > > What was Legion's WORD, and who did he serve? > > > Nathaniel Eliot > temujin9@ix.netcom.com > > "It's the eternal question, really; to be a slave in Heaven, or > a star in Hell. But sometimes Hell doesn't look like Hell. On > a good day, it can look like LA." > - Playing God ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:05:49 -0400 (EDT) From: gibsonc@NKU.EDU Subject: Re: IN>White Hardback...and other hard to find books for those in the seattle area: Todd Mcfarlane's Spider's Web in Puyallup used to be a great Comic shop. I think they did RPG's too. I haven't been there in a few years, but you might call them up if you're looking around. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:14:35 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Howell Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #587 > The Romans, wasn't it? Cleopatra was one of the Ptolemaic descendants, IIRC. > Of course, given who the people who crushed Egyptian culture were, we > might pick Khalid as the guy responsible. > Yes, the Romans (Pompey and J. Caesar). I'd guess, though, that most of Egyptian culture (except for underground movements) was fairly well destroyed by the Christianized Romans and Byzantines before the Ottomans came round. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:21:57 +0000 (GMT) From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN> DP of Nitpicking (Re: Raphael) > > >Brandon, > > >who wouldnt mind serving the Demon Princess of Nitpicking > > Hmmmmm! Servitors! Well, I'd do the writeup, but someone else > > did first. Hm. I'll have to check it and see if it's right... > > > > Hey. We're just a measily servitor and somebody obsessed with > Andre.. Feel free to show us how the DP of Nitpicking /really/ > is I'm not obsessed with Andre. In fact, I haven't even made one of his Servitors as a PC or NPC (a somewhat flexible distinction among my characters). I define a PC as one of my characters who I reckon can fit into someone else's campaign. > > Then I can find out what my attunement is.. (smiles) > > > > Yeeeessssss. I like it. > > Its a rip off of the Lust attunment ;) > I think she was referring to the bit about the attunement not working on females, or for females when the text refers to he, stuff like that. Or maybe not. Who, other than Beth herself, knows? Kevin Walsh, Renegade Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:31:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN> Last Night's Quotes > > > > All I can say is, it's people like you that got the disturbance > > rules made in the first place...nuclear warfare...sheesh... > > It's a great way of making sure not too much remains of your enemies, > though. > It wasn't my idea. It was Baal's. I just helped ensure it got carried out, and lost a good Vessel in the process. I worry sometimes about how my GM conceives of Baal. He seems to be almost a milder version of Belial. There is the Infernal Politics aspect of it, though. He probably didn't want to upset Belial too much. Belial wanted to nuke New York. For Belial, this is predictable behaviour. Baal didn't want that, but for reasons of his own (and I disagree with my GM's interpretation), he reckoned it would be a nice idea if the base with the nukes blew up. Assuming there was any timetabling involved by the GM, the delays I created ensured that detonating it in situ was the only way of preventing New York being nuked. I told everyone very carefully that word was that New York had to be saved _at all costs_. And it was taken in just the way I had hoped. And I didn't even have a finger's part in that disturbance. If I'd just gone Celestial a minute earlier... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:33:43 -0800 From: "David M. Barr" Subject: IN> Crossover w/ Feng Shui I _was_ going to run a straight IN game for my wife and a mutual girlfriend of ours. But my wife dances (a lot), and our girlfriend studies biology (is there any way to do that only a little?), and I got to thinking, hmm..., beer and pretzels, that is what I need. So I sat down in the bathroom with wife last (Do not ask), and told her that we are in fact, going to be playing Feng Shui. I then gave her the character templates that I thought I wanted to deal with, and she decided to play a character based on the thief template. The, I got to thinking...what if the secret war, was a lot More secret than anyone knew? What if this were Feng Shui set In In Nomine? Sure; Feng shui sites = tethers...underworld = marches... assorted special mystical abilities = song variations. So, what i have decided so far is that the Angels and demons are a lot less...visible, in this version, than in standard IN. But since this is, in effect a soldiers / sorcerors type game, that makes a lot of sense. For the record, I really like to run games where the players really have no idea just what is going on. Any other suggestions on this one? As I say, this is just the beginnings of an idea, not something I have worked out on paper or anything, yet. you want non canonical? I give you non canonical. - -Daiv Elohite in of Janus*, in service to Tyche (oh yeah, I'm stable) *he got in touch and we worked out our differences. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:34:46 -0500 From: Sean Michael Whipkey Subject: Re: IN>White Hardback...and other hard to find books Speaking of white hardbacks... Is it really that hard to find? Or is the black one harder? The irreverant (considering the campaign is starting soon) Dan Oz and I were discussing that last night. I guess I'm fortunate that I splurged last summer and bought both the white and black hardcovers, but I've seen the softcover even less then any other version. Oh well. My copies of the APG and The Marches should be in next week; then my collection is complete! BWAHAHAHA! Er. Does anyone know where I can find a list of all the Pyramid magazines with IN articles in it? I found one from *before* it came out, mentioning "Idiot Boxes" (Vapulan versions of TVs), but it didn't seem to mesh too firmly with the current version of IN. (Oh, and if anyone wants to give me some good ideas on getting everybody together at IOU for an IN game (in my game, IOU = UVA) and running the adventure "Feast of Blades", pray tell. And you shut up Dan, 'cause after that whole "Lying" thing I'm not trusting you as far as I can throw you.:):) Then again, you are a Balseraph of Asmodeus, so maybe I should - or are you a Calabite of Belial like you seem to be? Errr.) SeanMike - -- Sean Michael Whipkey, smw4s@virginia.edu Weldon Cooper Center for Public Service, Publications Div. 804/924-4185 (or -4188) voicenet, 804/982-5536 fax http://www.virginia.edu/~cpserv/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:34:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN> Kobal's Last Prank (was Re: IN> By Any Other Name) > Nathaniel Eliot writes: > [...] > >> I do hope Kobal's final prank is one of the things that never gets > >> defined in canon tho. > > > >Definately - it's a plot hook that just won't quit...until you saddle > >it with canon. > > It just hit me that the nature of Kobal's final prank is obvious, though > it was clearly prepared in collusion with Vapula. > That this is one of Kobal's ideas is obvious. However, I don't think it's necessarily the final one. (Why is everyone so hung up on the Year 2000? It isn't even part of the new millenium. Learn your numbers people.) However, it may well be an ironic foreshadowing, or a distraction from something in a completely different area. Or a stand alone joke. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:40:17 +0000 (GMT) From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #587 > > The Romans, wasn't it? Cleopatra was one of the Ptolemaic descendants, IIRC. > > Of course, given who the people who crushed Egyptian culture were, we > > might pick Khalid as the guy responsible. > > > > Yes, the Romans (Pompey and J. Caesar). I'd guess, though, > that most of Egyptian culture > (except for underground movements) was fairly well destroyed by the > Christianized Romans and Byzantines before the Ottomans came round. > Who said anything about the Ottomans? The _Arabs_ conquered Egypt in the 6th century (IIRC). It was they who destroyed (more or less) Egypt's cultural independence. It took a long time, but given one system of laws, one official language, and one religion which is not taxed, over any particular region, cultural differences are inevitably going to subside. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:23:39 -0400 (EDT) From: gantr@NKU.EDU Subject: IN> Michael On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, York H. Dobyns wrote: > Idle curiosity: Would a servitor of Michael, addressing his Superior in > English during a corporeal-world interview, use the lax and corrupt > "MIKE-ull" pronunciation, or the proper archaic "MEE-khay-el"? I always figured that his servitors had to pronounce his name "Sir" when addressing him. Unless he was being informal, then "MIKE-ull" would be fine. > How would the Archangel pronounce his own name, if he needed for some > reason to identify himself to an English-speaking mortal? "Hello. I can kick your ass. Now, down to business." :) Seriously, he would probably introduce himself as Michael, pronounced "MIKE-ull", because that is the accepted pronunciation of his name these days. Rich Gant ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 98 15:44 EST From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Kobal's Last Prank (was Re: IN> By Any Other Name) >That this is one of Kobal's ideas is obvious. However, I don't think it's >necessarily the final one. (Why is everyone so hung up on the Year 2000? >It isn't even part of the new millenium. Learn your numbers people.) Ah, but wouldn't the joke be on us if Armageedon/the millenium came *a year early*...? - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:52:58 EST From: Gruzzle Subject: IN> remove remove ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 15:02:22 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: IN> Upside Down WOTIF: When Lucifer rebelled, a different set of Superiors followed him down? ARCHANGELS: ANDREALPHUS, Archangel of Love: works tirelessly to see that true love does, indeed, conquer all. ASMODEUS, Archangel of the Promise: watches from behind the scenes to catch any Angel breaking away from its bond with God BAAL, Archangel of War: ruthless against his enemies, even more ruthless against those who injure noncombatants BELETH, Archangel of Fear: works through dreams to keep humanity on the Straight Path. BELIAL, Archangel of Fire: seeks to destroy the traitor Gabriel HAAGENTI, Archangel of Plenty: Eternally generous, a true Party Dude. Have fun, have some pie, don't be afraid to share. KOBAL, Archangel of Laughter: There's nothing so solemn that you can't laugh about it. Even the Almighty likes a good joke. KRONOS, Archangel of Fate: God's Plan is written; let no creature seek to turn it aside. MALPHAS, Archangel of Debate: Only in the chorus of a thousand voices can the Symphony achieve its true fullness. Let no voice be stilled by another. NYBBAS, Archangel of the Word: Let the Lord's name be praised throught the world. We've got a song and we're bringing it to you. SAMINGA, Archangel of Death: To all things there is a season, and one day, you too shall climb the Gentle Stair to your reward. VALEFOR, Archangel of Chaos: Even in Chaos, there is a purpose. The Lord works in mysterious ways, and if that involves moving stuff around, that's His will. VAPULA, Archangel of Technology: Through understanding of the world comes an understanding of God. Slowly, surely, all of Creation shall be given Enlightenment. LILITH, Archangel of Innocence: She refused the Apple, and was granted a seat in the Archangel Host by the Lord; she works to preserve and protect the trusting and faithful against those who would tempt them into destruction. DEMON PRINCES BLANDINE, Demon Prince of Fantasy: I am the dreamer, you are the dream. DAVID, Demon Prince of Stone: The angels are just using you. If you want free will, you gotta prove you're strong enough to keep it. DOMINIC, Demon Prince of Judgement: Don't even think about rebelling. ELI, Demon Prince of Destruction: Hey, c'mon everybody, let's get blasted and tear up stuff! There's ten thousand paintings like that anyway, it's just ink and fabric! GABRIEL, Demon Princess of Fire: From fire and void we came, from fire and void we all shall return. JANUS, Demon Prince of Storms: Let us sow the wind; the whirlwind shall reap itself. JEAN, Demon Prince of Lightning: Look at the nice shiny things that go beep. You like shiny things that go beep, don't you? JORDI, Demon Prince of Animals: Hmmmmmmmm. People. LAURENCE, Demon Prince of the Axe: Stick your neck out a little farther, please... MARC, Demon Prince of Gold: -I- am the root of all evil. Every man has his price... MICHAEL, Demon Prince of the War: Who cares what it takes? God is -wrong.- We must be -free.- And if anybody gets in the way... NOVALIS, Demon Princess of the Wild: Can't you hear the forest calling to you? Come, come join us, cast away your obligations and be the wild thing you know you should be. YVES, Demon Prince of Destiny: Don't let God tell you what's good for you. You deserve better than that. You need to take charge of your own life, don't let a hokey religion decide it for you. (I have no intention of doing anything more with this; it just seemed like a cute idea at the time.) Redneck Kris Overstreet, web pages beyond belief http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck - Redneck Gaijin Online http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ - White Lightning Productions http://www.antarctic-press.com/ - Antarctic Press Web Site http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/acupunct/ - Anatomical Acupuncture http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/dvpbem/ - In Nomine: Dark Victory PBEM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:10:20 -0500 (EST) From: IQJason@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Upside Down Redneck Gaijin writes the Bizarro-Superiors and I COVET COVET COVET. I may not run them as written, but it provides a beautiful look at the otherness within the superiors as written. *beam* yours, - -J ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:07:33 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Humans in the Symphony At 8:56 PM -0500 1/22/98, David Edelstein wrote: >>>>And please make sure that the Humans are responsible for at least half >of what goes on, without everything in History having been caused by >some Celestial or Ethereal Power. We humans have always been very good >at getting ourselves in trouble, and also at being noble enough to make >any angel hang their head in humility.<<< > >This gets brought up about every other day. Believe me, In Nomine writers >are very much aware of (and averse to) the WW syndrome. And if anyone happens to slip even a little, I fix them with a beady Djinn eye... }!\ [running a fever after 3 days on panels at a SF Con...] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:09:55 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> By Any Other Name At 7:57 PM +0000 1/22/98, Nathaniel Eliot wrote: >> >Another Demon Prince? Is that absolutely necessary? *blink* >> >> I totally agree. Like, how many people are using any of the >> superiors who didn't appear in the original sourcebook? > >I will be using Mammon (albiet, in preference to Haagenti), and I >may be using Litheroy and Alaemon. I know Litheroy is somewhat >common - common enough for the dreaded curse of Ophanim of Litheroy >to rear it's head not once, but twice. > >And people though Seraphim needed keepers... At least we don't have any Seraphim of Litheroy around... Though an Ofanite of Litheroy is like having a regular Seraph, on speed. >> I do hope Kobal's final prank is one of the things that never gets >> defined in canon tho. > >Definately - it's a plot hook that just won't quit...until you saddle >it with canon. Interesting. Very interesting. I'll remember this. [running a fever after 3 days on panels at a SF Con...] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:13:11 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> DP of Nitpicking (Was Re: Raphael) At 7:57 PM +0000 1/22/98, Nathaniel Eliot wrote: >> Brandon, >> who wouldnt mind serving the Demon Princess of Nitpicking > >You *want* to sign up with a superior who will find problems with >every thing you do? No wonder you're a Habbalah... Sadomasochistic? Yes, but it *pleases* a demon of Nitpicking to find things to nitpick. (The key is giving just enough praise that they keep coming back for more, panting and begging to serve, to get "just one more chance" to get it *perfect*... ) [running a fever after 3 days on panels at a SF Con...] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:17:44 -0500 From: Sean Michael Whipkey Subject: Re: IN> Upside Down At 15:02 -0600 1/23/98, Redneck Gaijin wrote: >(I have no intention of doing anything more with this; it just seemed like a >cute idea at the time.) So you stick your ideas out and screw with our heads again, just like Dark Victory. Yeeks! Good schtuff, though. Sounds like Eli is the ultimate Calabite now... SeanMike - -- Sean Michael Whipkey, smw4s@virginia.edu Weldon Cooper Center for Public Service, Publications Div. 804/924-4185 (or -4188) voicenet, 804/982-5536 fax http://www.virginia.edu/~cpserv/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:24:46 +0000 (GMT) From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN> Kobal's Last Prank (was Re: IN> By Any Other Name) > >That this is one of Kobal's ideas is obvious. However, I don't think it's > >necessarily the final one. (Why is everyone so hung up on the Year 2000? > >It isn't even part of the new millenium. Learn your numbers people.) > > Ah, but wouldn't the joke be on us if Armageedon/the millenium came *a > year early*...? > No, because people are stupid and expect it to come then. Kevin Walsh, applying for Habbalah-hood. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:30:18 -0800 From: "David M. Barr" Subject: IN> Sorcerors Ring Okay, let me state at the outset, that I don't have any of the Books on me at the moment, and so I cannot check this idea against written Canon. It may or not comply. But maybe it's worthwhile anyway. Unless I am mistake, an Artifact can transfer Skills to the possessor. Relic can do that, and hold essence, which may be spent by the user. Unless I am mistaken, Sorcery is a skill. It's obscure and arcane, but anyone with the right resources can learn it. (there are a lot more details to it, such as what a sorcerer can do at any given level of skill, but that the fact that it is a skill is the important point I am checking.) So, is there any canonical reason that a demon could not mass produce and distribute rings that conferred the skill of Sorcery to mortal society? Take it one step farther, and inscribed the NAME a demon on the inside of the ring? what if one did? (okay, not much of a plot hook, give me a break, I just thought of this over lunch.) just a thought. - -Daiv Offanite* of Janus in service to Tyche. (*the previous elohite sig was the result of a Balseraph who got a 666 on a resonance roll). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:30:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN> DP of Nitpicking (Was Re: Raphael) > >You *want* to sign up with a superior who will find problems with > >every thing you do? No wonder you're a Habbalah... > > Sadomasochistic? Yes, but it *pleases* a demon of Nitpicking to > find things to nitpick. (The key is giving just enough praise > that they keep coming back for more, panting and begging to > serve, to get "just one more chance" to get it *perfect*... > ) > Djinn Princes are the scariest, IMO. Because they have to work damn hard to be evil and scary, so they get very good at ordinary basic manipulation. So then when they get powers from their Word, they know how best to apply them. Kevin Walsh, Renegade Balseraph, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia, applying for readmission. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 21:34:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN> Upside Down > > Good schtuff, though. Sounds like Eli is the ultimate Calabite now... > The scary thing is; it was only this morning that I came up with a cute character concept for a Calabite of Malphas: a frustrated artist. (Essentially a tosser who doesn't make anything worthwhile because he's too busy messing with the heads of other people around him and indulging his "artistic temperament".) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 16:39:39 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Sorcerors Ring David M. Barr wrote: > So, is there any canonical reason that a demon could not mass produce > and distribute rings that conferred the skill of Sorcery to mortal > society? Sounds like a natural to me. Of course, I expect the demon to keep one ring. One ring to rule them all. One ring to bind them. One ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 10:21:11 -0600 From: rbeall@fdldotnet.com (Grim88) Subject: IN> Legion >> Side note, but something that's been bothering me: What was >> Legion's name, and who did he serve? > >Oh boy - can you tell I wrote that at 2am? > >What was Legion's WORD, and who did he serve? Unless my memory serves me incorrectly, and believe me, it often has, Legion was the Demon Prince of Corruption, which answers both of your questions. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:42:08 -0800 From: Armand Subject: Re: IN> Sorcerors Ring >David M. Barr wrote: > >> So, is there any canonical reason that a demon could not mass produce >> and distribute rings that conferred the skill of Sorcery to mortal >> society? > >Sounds like a natural to me. Of course, I expect the demon to keep >one ring. One ring to rule them all. One ring to bind them. >One ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. > >Earl The problem is that the nature of the universe is pattern. The start of the pattern you describe a few people who aren't active members of the world society (say the Amish) would find the ring and have to destroy it. Yes, technology is evil and must be destroyed boys and girls. So, big deal, the Amish come on the attack. Well, I could envision a cherub or fourty there to defend them all the way to Chernobyl (where in the human accessable IN world is there a place more like Mordor?). There, the ring is destroyed and evil vanquished. It has a nice Armageddon "ring" to it. :P Armand Founding member of the RSPCH (Royal Society for the prevention of Cruelty to Hobbits) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 17:39:35 EST From: MarkDEddy Subject: Re: IN> Sorcerors Ring In a message dated 1/23/98 1:43:27 PM, earlw@mc.com writes: >David M. Barr wrote: > >> So, is there any canonical reason that a demon could not mass produce >> and distribute rings that conferred the skill of Sorcery to mortal >> society? > >Sounds like a natural to me. Of course, I expect the demon to keep >one ring. One ring to rule them all. One ring to bind them. >One ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. > >Earl Oh, dear God that's funny! (Of course now I'm envisioning Sauron, Demon Prince of Middle-Earth, fallen Mercurian of Eli...) Mark >:} ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:01:24 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: FLUFF: Titles (Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #584) At 11:06 AM +0000 1/23/98, Hart, Joanna wrote: >jo >(feeling inadequate because I have no title!) Oh, just pick one. Archives, Nitpicking, whatever. I seem to collect Servitors... It's very bemusing. [running a fever after 3 days on panels at a SF Con...] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:04:32 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Vessel bits At 10:09 AM -0400 1/23/98, gantr@NKU.EDU wrote: >On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> At 11:08 AM -0400 1/22/98, gantr@NKU.EDU wrote: >> >On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: >> > >> >> The vessels are very, very close to normal >> >> bodies. It still hasn't been decided if there are >> >> very subtle differences that can be detected by >> >> intense scientific analysis. >> > >> >On a related note: do vessels have navels? >> > >> >:) >> >> Celestial Vessles box, p. IN48, 2nd paragraph: "Also, celestially- >> generated vessels have navels. You don't think they'd overlook that, >> do you?" > >Just to relax everyone, I did know that. You mean you weren't trying to set up the conditions by which I could practice one of my Rites? And here I thought you were trying to make me feel better. >Rich Gant >"No, really. I *did* read the rule book! You don't *have* to send The >Game for me!" What about the Nitpicking Habbalah? Oh, good, I see my dear Servitor Brandon has already gotten to you. Lots of initiative, that one. [running a fever after 3 days on panels at a SF Con...] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:05:26 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> DP of Nitpicking (Re: Raphael) At 11:10 AM -0500 1/23/98, MarkDEddy wrote: >In a message dated 1/22/98 5:48:52 PM, emccoy@nh.ultranet.com writes: > >>Yeah, yeah, I *know* you want that hat. No way. Mine. My hat. MINE! > >As though we *needed* more proof that the DP of Nitpicking was a Djinn... > >;D I think it's how I figured out I was Djinn and not Lilim or Habbalite... *MY* LE hat. >The LE hat of the Demon Princess of Nitpicking *must* be analagous to >Laurence's Sword. :) I'm not going to go there.... I'm just not. [running a fever after 3 days on panels at a SF Con...] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:13:49 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Andre At 9:33 AM -0800 1/23/98, David M. Barr wrote: >Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> At 3:01 PM -0500 1/22/98, Pee Kitty wrote: >>>I never liked [Andre's] Lilim attunement. It seemed so...inappropriate. The >>>idea is that his Lilim are his favorite servitors, raw creatures of >>>seduction and lust, and they get the Elohim of Yves attunement? It seemed >>>like a cop out...like Derek couldn't think of a suitably good one, so he >>>just gave them a very useful one that was bland enough to fit in anywhere. >> >>Oh, but the *results*... "Oh, he needs me to do *this*, and touch >>him *there*, and lick *here*, and let's let this need build up and >>build up and he really *needs* a little more pressure *there* but >>he'll need it even more if I keep going..." >> >[sudden need for cold shower...] (And people wonder why I have a "So, what's it worth to you?" button...) >Yeah, that works. Not only sense the need, but make it more...urgent. Lilim can be very powerful, with a little luck and skill... Especially skill. (And an Elohite who does the same thing is a *REALLY* manipulative little creature. Talk about being able to talk someone onto "the right path.") [running a fever after 3 days on panels at a SF Con...] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:15:22 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> By Any Other Name At 1:00 PM +0000 1/23/98, Nathaniel Eliot wrote: >Well, the screen itself sucks, except just as a screen between you >and the players. The value is in the adventure, and the two >superiors bundled with that adventure (after all, you can't do >Ophanim of Litheroy without it). Though you can use the screen as a place to hang the resonance-CD-tables sheet from, after you enter it into the computer and print out your own personal copy... [running a fever after 3 days on panels at a SF Con...] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:18:18 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> DP of Nitpicking (Re: Raphael) At 7:21 PM +0000 1/23/98, Kevin Walsh wrote: >> >> > Yeeeessssss. I like it. >> >> Its a rip off of the Lust attunment ;) >> >I think she was referring to the bit about the attunement not working on >females, or for females when the text refers to he, stuff like that. >Or maybe not. Who, other than Beth herself, knows? No, no, you pegged it well. Yes, the attunement not working except for the listed stuff... I like it. [running a fever after 3 days on panels at a SF Con...] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 18:55:55 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> DP of Nitpicking (Was Re: Raphael) At 9:30 PM +0000 1/23/98, Kevin Walsh wrote: >> >You *want* to sign up with a superior who will find problems with >> >every thing you do? No wonder you're a Habbalah... >> >> Sadomasochistic? Yes, but it *pleases* a demon of Nitpicking to >> find things to nitpick. (The key is giving just enough praise >> that they keep coming back for more, panting and begging to >> serve, to get "just one more chance" to get it *perfect*... >> ) >> >Djinn Princes are the scariest, IMO. Because they have to work damn hard >to be evil and scary, so they get very good at ordinary basic >manipulation. So then when they get powers from their Word, they know how >best to apply them. Besides, it's useful to manipulate people into worshipping you, so that you don't have to worry about caring about them. Because Djinn never care. We tramp. Just ask authors if the Demon Princess of Nitpicking cares... };) >Kevin Walsh, Renegade Balseraph, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia, applying for >readmission. Hm. And you have some good reasons why you should have another chance, Servitor? *Really* good reasons? [running a fever after 3 days on panels at a SF Con...] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:13:31 -0500 (EST) From: Casca Subject: Re: FLUFF: Titles (Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #584) On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > Oh, just pick one. Archives, Nitpicking, whatever. I seem to collect > Servitors... It's very bemusing. Bemusing is right. I'm beginning to wonder if my Archangel has Fallen. She hasn't updated the Archives in over a month.... *sigh* I don't want to have to learn HTML. Say, Nathan, here's an idea: if AA Beth -has- fallen, you can have the Word of Webpages/HTML/whatever, I'll take Continuity, and we'll split the Archangel mantle between us. - -- Casca, usually a Seraph of Archives, now quite possibly Outcast... (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:42:27 -0500 (EST) From: Pee Kitty Subject: Re: IN> Andre On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Kim Foster wrote: > > >LILIM > > > >Andre's Lilim are his favorite servitors. He asked for a full page in > >which to express their virtues (it all boils down to "if you *ever* get a > >chance with one, take it.") They add their Corporeal Forces to any > >seduction attempt, and anyone they have consensual sex with > >*automatically* owes them a Geas/2. > > > >A little like Haagenti's, but that doesn't bother me one whit. > > > I rather like this one to. Not sure if I'll change or not. Would you happen > to have the link to the alternate Princes? No, but it's on the INC. Just go to the very bottom of the main page. Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian (Married to Rev. Unibomber on 11/15/96 - be jealous ;) Meow! And finally, a special message to anyone who thinks I give a damn... \|/ ____ \|/ ~@-/ oO \-@~ /_( \__/ )_\ \__U_/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:54:24 -0500 (EST) From: Pee Kitty Subject: Re: IN> By Any Other Name On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, Nathaniel Eliot wrote: > > On the bright side, I use Bethanel (Cities), Charon (Death), Johab > > (Salvation), and Raphael (Healing). Yes, you heard me: Raphael. In > > my game, he was never the AA of Knowledge and it was the AA of Unity > > that went up against Legion and got wasted. And yes, he's a Cherub. > > Side note, but something that's been bothering me: What was Legion's > name, and who did he serve? Dunno. > > Jadis (Winter - a Lilim Prince...why aren't there more of > > those?) > > Because Lilith would shit a brick, sideways, at the possibility of > her monopoly on Lilim being broken? Nah...I just don't let ANYONE except Lilith create Lilim. If a Lilim tries to give 'natural birth' to another one (perhaps with another Lilim), it doesn't take. They're just 'sterile' that way...Lilith made sure of it. Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian (Married to Rev. Unibomber on 11/15/96 - be jealous ;) Meow! And finally, a special message to anyone who thinks I give a damn... \|/ ____ \|/ ~@-/ oO \-@~ /_( \__/ )_\ \__U_/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:19:56 -0500 From: Jesse Subject: Re: IN> Upside Down >(I have no intention of doing anything more with this; it just seemed like a >cute idea at the time.) > >Redneck Good Grief Redneck! Even more a Balsperaph than Em ever was! How do you think that you will not do anything else with this? People will track you down and -make- you write more. It is your Fate. - -Jesse, sometime Soul of Tounge-Planted-So-Far-in-Cheek-I-Have-a-Second-Set-of-Lips remember that, folks: trust your government, or skinheads will find you and kill you... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 20:21:04 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> The Ark of The Covenant >>>If the sources I've seen are correct, there is a very good chance that the Ark isn't lost at all. It's in Ethiopia, and has been since about A.D. 250 (I think...), since it was moved there from an Egyptian Jewish colony, which got it from Jerusalem just ahead of the destruction of the Temple in A.D. 70. There's this church which has a shrine which is sealed up, and no-one goes into, except once a year, (on the Day of Atonement, IIRC). One family of priests has the right to go in, and they haven't talked. Interestingly enough, this is one of the odd Ethiopian Jewish/Christian hybred churches, the people who brought us the Book of Enoch....<<< That's a popular theory, and it kind of ties in with an ancient legend that has the son of Solomon and the Queen of Sheba visiting his father and stealing the Ark from him to bring back to Ethiopia. But there isn't any real evidence that the real Ark is actually in Ethiopia, or anywhere else. Just many tantalizing myths and rumors. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:44:54 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Upside Down >>(I have no intention of doing anything more with this; it just seemed like a >>cute idea at the time.) >> >>Redneck > >Good Grief Redneck! Even more a Balsperaph than Em ever was! How do you >think that you will not do anything else with this? People will track you >down and -make- you write more. It is your Fate. Fine. Then they can pay my bills, buy my food, run my errands, and stuff while I write it. I've already got so many writing projects it's not funny, and that's a -tiny- portion of how I spend my time. Check my .sig for other ways. >-Jesse, sometime Soul of >Tounge-Planted-So-Far-in-Cheek-I-Have-a-Second-Set-of-Lips uh huh. Based off of offhanded remarks I could be: Habbalah of Fate, Demon of Evil Evil Dice Cherub of Eli with a Possessive Discord Impudite of Dark Humor, Demon of Stupid Lists Kyriotate of Jean, Angel of Multitasking but mostly I'm just a dumb ol' Redneck. }:-{D Redneck Kris Overstreet, web pages beyond belief http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck - Redneck Gaijin Online http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ - White Lightning Productions http://www.antarctic-press.com/ - Antarctic Press Web Site http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/acupunct/ - Anatomical Acupuncture http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/dvpbem/ - In Nomine: Dark Victory PBEM ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #589 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.