From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Oct 28 06:23:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA20142 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:23:23 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id FAA07628 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 05:42:44 -0600 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 05:42:44 -0600 Message-Id: <199810281142.FAA07628@lists.io.com> X-Authentication-Warning: lists.io.com: majordom set sender to owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com using -f From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #995 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, October 28 1998 Volume 01 : Number 995 In this digest: Re: IN> skills, thrills and munchkin chills IN> Re: IN- Lucifer vs. Michael IN> Re: IN- Re: Angelic Words IN> Re: IN- skills, thrills and munchkin chills Re: IN> Re: IN- Re: Angelic Words Re: IN> Re: Angelic Words Re: IN> skills, thrills and munchkin chills IN> symphony question Re: IN> symphony question Re: IN> symphony question Re: IN> symphony question IN> Re: IN- skills, thrills and munchkin chills IN> Re: IN- symphony question Re: IN> Re: IN- skills, thrills and munchkin chills Re: IN> symphony question Re: IN> Lucifer vs. Michael Re: IN> Lucifer vs. Michael Re: IN> Re: Angelic Words Re: IN> symphony question Re: IN> symphony question IN> Silent Revelation (Re: Angelic Words) Re: IN> symphony question IN> Kyrioatates of Laurence Attunement Re: IN> Kyrioatates of Laurence Attunement Re: IN> Kyrioatates of Laurence Attunement IN> A word challange Re: IN> Kyrioatates of Laurence Attunement Re: IN> symphony question Re: IN> A word challange Re: IN> Bashir, Elohite of Faith IN> word challenge...er, request. IN> A diseased little thought that even I don't take too seriously IN> a little revelations humor Re: IN> more bloody london! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:30:38 +0000 From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN> skills, thrills and munchkin chills On Sun, Oct 25, 1998 at 05:03:23AM -0800, Cove Nightsbane wrote: > Umm...I may be getting callous from spending too much times in dreams, > but, "What do you think we are, *HUMANS*?!?" Guys, we all > angels. We were created by higher powers to serve a purpose. "Hi, > guys, I'm a Malakite, created to seen baddies and whup 'em up." Why > would God bother to give said Malakite Knowledge(Greco-Roman Pottery)/3? Because he was supposed to serve Creation, Dreams, Trade, Stone, or Destiny? (Destiny is the all-powerful excuse for any character concept.) Kevin Walsh, Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. - -- "From your first day in camp everyone will try to deceive and plunder you ... in camp no one ever does anything for nothing, no one does anything out of the generosity of his heart. You have to pay for everything. If someone proposes something that is unselfish, disinterested, you can be sure it's a dirty trick, a provocation." Alexander Solzhenitsyn, the Gulag Archipelago. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 04:05:42 PST From: "Cove Nightsbane" Subject: IN> Re: IN- Lucifer vs. Michael Quoth Earl: >> In Norse mythology the Vanir are supposed to replace the Aesir >> after Ragnarok. > >Along with Balder, the sons of Thor, and, I think, Odin's brothers, >Vili and Ve, who were mentioned in the creation account and then >never heard from again, so far as I know. I belive the gods still around after Ragnarokk: Balder, leading his blind brother Hod, came up from Hel. Magni and Modi, the sons of Thor, survived the battle. So did Vidar and Vali, Odin's two sons, and youngest of the Aesir. And, Odin's brother Hoenir, came from the Vanir lands tos tand by his Kinsmen. ~`~`<@ The only thing sadder than a fallen rose, is a fallen angel. Cove Nightbane, Malakim of Eli in service to Blandine Guardian of the Dreamforest ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 04:12:00 PST From: "Cove Nightsbane" Subject: IN> Re: IN- Re: Angelic Words >Angel of the Presence: > Appropriate to Yves since Yves is an avatar of God >Angel of Purpose: > Even more appropriate to Yves, since the most active part of > his Word is guiding everything to its divine purpose (=Destiny). >Angel of Divine Illumination: > it fits under Yves just as well, if not better, given all the > knowledge and understanding that attends his Word. >Angel of Silence: > David and Blandine both are apprpriate for this, but I think > Yves is even more so Have a favorite Archangel, Earl? ::ducks from retaliation for his slightly off-topic joke:: ~`~`<@ The only thing sadder than a fallen rose, is a fallen angel. Cove Nightbane, Malakim of Eli in service to Blandine Guardian of the Dreamforest ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 04:26:28 PST From: "Cove Nightsbane" Subject: IN> Re: IN- skills, thrills and munchkin chills Kevin Walsh nitpicked: >>"Hi, guys, I'm a Malakite, created to seen baddies and whup 'em up." Why >> would God bother to give said Malakite Knowledge(Greco-Roman Pottery)/3? > >Because he was supposed to serve Creation, Dreams, Trade, Stone, or >Destiny? (Destiny is the all-powerful excuse for any character concept.) Um..ouch...you really know yer word, huh? ~`~`<@ The only thing sadder than a fallen rose, is a fallen angel. Cove Nightbane, Malakim of Eli in service to Blandine Guardian of the Dreamforest ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:03:08 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN- Re: Angelic Words Cove Nightsbane wrote: > Have a favorite Archangel, Earl? > ::ducks from retaliation for his slightly off-topic joke:: Not especially. No need to duck. I'm just habitually tidy-minded. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:44:49 -0500 From: Perestroika Subject: Re: IN> Re: Angelic Words Kevin Walsh wrote: > > Angel of Purpose: > Purpose looks like it could belong to Dream. Certainly, aspirations and > ambitions fall under that Word. If by Purpose we mean it in the "sense of -" sense, as in an inner direction, then yes - by all means, assign it to Blandine. However, if we're talking about Purpose in the sense of what a person is meant to do on Earth, then I think it's probably just a rephrasing of Yves's own word. > > Angel of Silence: > By that logic, it could also belong to Jean, Michael, or Marc, who all > have good reasons to keep certain things secret. But are we talking about Silence or Secrets now? For that matter, there are all sorts of Silence around, and Secrets now that I take the time to think about it. There's probably a Demon of Uncomfortable Silences running around somewhere, and one of Withheld (Withholding) Information, to name two. On the other hand, you have the Angels of Solitude and of Trust (the way I see it, Trust and Secrets have to be very closely linked in some way or another). I think one of the major stumbling blocks here is distinguishing Silence from Secrets; again, they're probably close, but I think Silence could probably be rewritten as Tranquility to avoid confusion. In that case, I'd give Silence right to Novalis. :) - -EDG Mercurian of Jean ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:42:17 -0500 From: Setzer Gabbiani Subject: Re: IN> skills, thrills and munchkin chills At 10:30 10/27/98 +0000, you wrote: >On Sun, Oct 25, 1998 at 05:03:23AM -0800, Cove Nightsbane wrote: >> Umm...I may be getting callous from spending too much times in dreams, >> but, "What do you think we are, *HUMANS*?!?" Guys, we all >> angels. We were created by higher powers to serve a purpose. "Hi, >> guys, I'm a Malakite, created to seen baddies and whup 'em up." Why >> would God bother to give said Malakite Knowledge(Greco-Roman Pottery)/3? > >Because he was supposed to serve Creation, Dreams, Trade, Stone, or >Destiny? (Destiny is the all-powerful excuse for any character concept.) > > i agree, say said malakite was investigating where a demn disappeared to and there was some sort of pottery professor who the malakite needed to get information from. then the information could be incredibly useful. Also you seem to be implying that angels don't ever learn. For a two day old angel i could see not having any skills relating to the corporeal realm but if the angel has been around they will have picked up at least something. Ben, Bright lilim of LARPs serving Blandine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:49:59 -0500 From: Setzer Gabbiani Subject: IN> symphony question i have a little question about the nature of the symphony that came up as i watched city of angels. Does and angel eating a sandwich cause disturbance to the symphony? They are causing damage to something in the corporeal realm. please give me some help on this Ben, Bright lilim of LARPs serving Blandine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:16:54 -0600 From: Eeyore Subject: Re: IN> symphony question Setzer Gabbiani wrote: > i have a little question about the nature of the symphony that came up as i > watched city of angels. Does and angel eating a sandwich cause disturbance > to the symphony? They are causing damage to something in the corporeal > realm. please give me some help on this I'd say that this falls in to category of, "Yes, but..." Yes, the celestial causes a disturbance in the Symphony. But it's such a small one (most sandwiches have very few hit points) that nobody will notice. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:27:54 -0500 (EST) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> symphony question On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, Eeyore wrote: > > i have a little question about the nature of the symphony that came up as i > > watched city of angels. Does and angel eating a sandwich cause disturbance > > to the symphony? They are causing damage to something in the corporeal > > realm. please give me some help on this > > I'd say that this falls in to category of, "Yes, but..." Yes, the celestial > causes a disturbance in the Symphony. But it's such a small one (most > sandwiches have very few hit points) that nobody will notice. And if the celestial has any sort of Role at all, that should mask whatever is left. Most Roles allow for things like eating, opening mail, and throwing things away, unless you happen to have Role: Comatose Patient. - -- Casca, Seraph of Archives (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:44:24 -0500 (EST) From: Homayoun Saleh Subject: Re: IN> symphony question Greets, Hmmm... I think there is a caveat in the Rule Book that states that disturbances *MAY* be hidden by your role... I suspect that eating a sandwich is probably covered by even a role 1 (or Role 0 for that matter. An argument can be made that by being in the vessel of a humanoid/animal, performing "natural" functions should NOT cause noise). Cheers, Homayoun On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, Setzer Gabbiani wrote: > i have a little question about the nature of the symphony that came up as i > watched city of angels. Does and angel eating a sandwich cause disturbance > to the symphony? They are causing damage to something in the corporeal > realm. please give me some help on this > > Ben, Bright lilim of LARPs serving Blandine > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:50:04 PST From: "Cove Nightsbane" Subject: IN> Re: IN- skills, thrills and munchkin chills A Bright Lilim(neat!), Ben, said: > Also you seem to be implying that angels don't ever learn. For a two day old >angel i could see not having any skills relating to the corporeal realm but >if the angel has been around they will have picked up at least something. I'm not trying to imply that. Yes, celestials learn. But the starting characters are just that: starting. They're newly assigned to the corporeal realm. They only have so many thngs that they know how to do... ~`~`<@ The only thing sadder than a fallen rose, is a fallen angel. Cove Nightbane, Malakim of Eli in service to Blandine Guardian of the Dreamforest ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:54:03 PST From: "Cove Nightsbane" Subject: IN> Re: IN- symphony question >Setzer Gabbiani wrote: > >> i have a little question about the nature of the symphony that came up as i >> watched city of angels. Does and angel eating a sandwich cause disturbance >> to the symphony? They are causing damage to something in the corporeal >> realm. please give me some help on this Hmm...based on the corporeal forces of the average sandwich, yeah, I'd say if the angel eating teh sandwich makes a VERY GOOD perception roll, he'll notice some celestial has just damaged a sandwich, really nearby. ~`~`<@ The only thing sadder than a fallen rose, is a fallen angel. Cove Nightbane, Malakim of Eli in service to Blandine Guardian of the Dreamforest ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:02:21 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN- skills, thrills and munchkin chills Cove Nightsbane wrote: > But the starting characters are just that: starting. They're > newly assigned to the corporeal realm. They only have so many > thngs that they know how to do... I don't think that's necessarily so. If you have a Role of level higher than 1, you have almost certainly spent some time on Earth establishing it, unless the GM is of the school that takes Roles to be totally a matter of false records, false memories, reality- alteration, or swap-offs with clever impersonator celestials who break the Role and the vessel in for you. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:25:36 -0500 From: John J Maurer Subject: Re: IN> symphony question At 11:49 AM 10/27/98 -0500, Setzer Gabbiani wrote: >i have a little question about the nature of the symphony that came up as i >watched city of angels. Does and angel eating a sandwich cause disturbance >to the symphony? They are causing damage to something in the corporeal >realm. please give me some help on this I would say yes if the angel has no role. If the angel has a role, then eating would probably be masked by the role. I would just give a +12 modifier to see if the role masked the disturbance for eating. Speaks Question: Why don't cannibals eat clowns? Answer: They taste funny. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:25:40 -0500 From: John J Maurer Subject: Re: IN> Lucifer vs. Michael At 12:19 PM 10/26/98 -0500, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >This is very interesting. I have never heard of this variation >on Greek mythology. It was generally implied or stated that >Zeus would reign everlastingly. Can you supply any pointers to >sources? I may be overstating things from general memory. I did look through my reference books. "Bulfinch" had nothing. The "Encyclopedia of Myth, Folklore, and Religion" and an "Encyclopedia of World Myth" both contained the following: Zeus was told (by Ge and Uranos in World Myth) that he would have a child that would replace him (In World Myth that he would have a daughter whose wisdom rivaled his own and a son who would replace him). To prevent this, he swallowed Metis who was pregant with his child. (Metis was a titan, her name means mind or memory). There was never any son but Athena was born and sprung full formed from Zeus' head. The Encyclopedia of M, F, and R also states that some versons Athena is listed as having no mother. If I were at home I would give the authors and the like for the above books. My two favorite reference books are the Brief Encyclopedia of Time and the Encyclopedia of Myth Folklore and Religion. A lot of my gaming ideas come from there Speaks Question: Why don't cannibals eat clowns? Answer: They taste funny. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:34:01 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Lucifer vs. Michael John J Maurer wrote: > Zeus was told (by Ge and Uranos in World Myth) that he would have a > child that would replace him (In World Myth that he would have a > daughter whose wisdom rivaled his own and a son who would replace > him). To prevent this, he swallowed Metis who was pregant with his > child. (Metis was a titan, her name means mind or memory). There > was never any son but Athena was born and sprung full formed from > Zeus' head. Ah, actually, I *have* heard a version of this myth. Zeus was told by the Fates or Ge or some such senior deity that the sea-nymph Thetis was destined to have a son who would be greater than the father. Zeus therefore curbed his natural tendency to bed any nymph in sight, in order to not beget a son greater than himself. He married Thetis off to some Greek kinglet (I forget whom) and all the gods attended the wedding -- except Eris, who revenged herself by tossing in the Golden Apple of Discord. The quarrel over this apple resulted in the Trojan War, and Thetis's son was Achilles, who died in that war, an acknowledged hero and certainly greater than his mortal father. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:51:33 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: Angelic Words At 9:35 AM +0000 10/27/98, Kevin Walsh wrote: >> Angel of Silence: [...] >By that logic, it could also belong to Jean, Michael, or Marc, who all >have good reasons to keep certain things secret. Words are such interesting things... Though I think that there are few, if any, arguements for putting Silence under, say, Litheroy... [Litheroy, Seraph Archangel of Revelation, from the GM Pack adventure, Feast of Blades.] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:54:33 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> symphony question At 11:49 AM -0500 10/27/98, Setzer Gabbiani wrote: >i have a little question about the nature of the symphony that came up as i >watched city of angels. Does and angel eating a sandwich cause disturbance >to the symphony? Only if it does 4 points of damage at once. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:04:21 -0500 (EST) From: Ben-Prime Subject: Re: IN> symphony question > At 11:49 AM -0500 10/27/98, Setzer Gabbiani wrote: > >i have a little question about the nature of the symphony that came up as i > >watched city of angels. Does and angel eating a sandwich cause disturbance > >to the symphony? > > Only if it does 4 points of damage at once. On the other hand, a Calabite of Gluttony does that much to his *napkin*, let alone his sandwich ... and don't even ask about the after-dinner belch. :) Ben - ----- emrys@netrox.net ---------------- http://www.netrox.net/~emrys/ ------ "Labour to keep alive in your breast that little celestial fire called conscience." -- George Washington - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Disclaimer: Despite all the posing and posturing, the Internet is an as-yet- untamed beastie. Take it as it comes and you'll do just fine. Really. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:53:03 -0800 (PST) From: Jayson Howell Subject: IN> Silent Revelation (Re: Angelic Words) Picture it: A Seraph of Revelation goes about attempting to hinder the cacophany of lies, rumor, and distraction that hinder the human mind from achieving understanding. He patrons meditation, isolated spiritual retreats, and internal reflection. Although he will gladly answer any question presented, he always puts a spin on the information encouraging the questioner to look within himself for guidance. Only in the silent union of spirit and symphony, can the human mind grasp the Truth. "Tell me where I can find a door to Heaven." "There is a link between the divine and the mundane not twenty blocks south of here, but it will not avail you, mortal. Your journey must begin within an uncluttered mind. Come, rest, sit with me and I shall guide you unto that which you seek." ... just a thought. - Jayson, Pain in the Butt of Creative Challenge Acceptance. - ---Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > Words are such interesting things... Though I think that there are > few, if any, arguements for putting Silence under, say, Litheroy... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:53:08 -0800 (PST) From: Jayson Howell Subject: Re: IN> symphony question Subway... they've got these happy time subs that are 6 feet long, or longer if you special order them. Boy howdy, that's gotta be good for 4 points of sandwich damage. You just need a vessel capable of getting it all in your mouth. - Jayson... far too tired for anyone's own good at this point. - ---Elizabeth McCoy wrote: Does and angel eating a sandwich cause disturbance > >to the symphony? > > Only if it does 4 points of damage at once. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:32:44 EST From: Pleissez@aol.com Subject: IN> Kyrioatates of Laurence Attunement Here's a stumper (because it sure isn't in the book): What level vessel does a Kyrio of Laurence get? Thanks much and have fun, Trey Palmer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:53:47 -0800 (PST) From: Jayson Howell Subject: Re: IN> Kyrioatates of Laurence Attunement My understanding is that they don't have a vessel level, but that they are actually placed into the body of a recently deceased person, whose physical form is made whole again. They're calculated just as if the Kyrio had possessed the person... - Jayson - ---Pleissez@aol.com wrote: > > Here's a stumper (because it sure isn't in the book): What level vessel does a > Kyrio of Laurence get? > Thanks much and have fun, > Trey Palmer > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 21:43:24 -0500 (EST) From: Homayoun Saleh Subject: Re: IN> Kyrioatates of Laurence Attunement Hmmm... somehow this does not appeal to me at all. After all this is an CHOIR ATTUNEMENT... it strikes me that such a thing should grant a substantial advantage... After all, this Vessel ties up 5 of the Kyrio's forces, so until he aquires another force, he cannot posses anyone else (except maybe young children)... also, if his vessel dies, he *MUST* spend 5 points and re-purchase this attunement, hence having this vessel should also provide a substantial advantage to offset these penalties (choir attunements, after all, are suppose to be useful). I would suggest making the vessel level equal to the Kyrio's Corporeal or Celestial Forces. Cheers, Homayoun On Tue, 27 Oct 1998, Jayson Howell wrote: > My understanding is that they don't have a vessel level, but that they > are actually placed into the body of a recently deceased person, whose > physical form is made whole again. They're calculated just as if the > Kyrio had possessed the person... > > - Jayson > > ---Pleissez@aol.com wrote: > > > > Here's a stumper (because it sure isn't in the book): What level > vessel does a > > Kyrio of Laurence get? [snip] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:13:50 -0800 From: patrick Subject: IN> A word challange Not so much a challenge, as a request... So, John T Perkowski, Ofanite of Arcade Games - I seek attunements for the word of "Cope." As in - "I have such trouble in my life!" "Yes, well, cope." The word is held by both an Archangel and Demon Prince, who seem to get along...for obvious (word-related) reasons. Neither is very active in the War - the Archangel sees most of his time going to helping humans and his fellow angels deal with pain, while the Demon Prince spends most of his time making sure important people and emotions are ignored. Or at least, that's my take. Thanks !! Enoch Malakite of Dark Humor Remember: Conscious is when you are aware of something and conscience is when you wish you weren't. - -- I reserve the right to execute any henchmen who appear to be a little too intelligent, powerful, or devious. However if I do so, I will not at some subsequent point shout "Why am I surrounded by these incompetent fools?!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:43:40 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Kyrioatates of Laurence Attunement At 7:32 PM -0500 10/27/98, Pleissez@aol.com wrote: >Here's a stumper (because it sure isn't in the book): What level vessel does a >Kyrio of Laurence get? I believe this is either in the FAQ or the errata. I'd check the errata first. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:50:02 -0500 From: John Karakash - Lucent ASCC Subject: Re: IN> symphony question Setzer Gabbiani wrote: > > i have a little question about the nature of the symphony that came up as i > watched city of angels. Does and angel eating a sandwich cause disturbance > to the symphony? They are causing damage to something in the corporeal > realm. please give me some help on this You haven't even scratched the surface of this question... We've had long talks about this and about other examples... Is blowing up a grenade causing damage to the grenade? Is using a pencil? If you take the tack that things that are DESIGNED to be broken up cause no disturbance (sandwiches are designed to be eaten, grenades fly apart as a normal part of their function), what do you do if you have a car that's designed to blow up (for whatever reason). Argh! The rough canon we came up with is something like the above: if something is _reasonably_ designed to be broken into smaller parts in order to be used (eating a sandwich, exploding a grenade, burning wood for fuel) then it causes no disturbance. However, cutting a tree (which is not _designed_ to be in that state) to make firewood _would_ cause disturbance. So burning the prepared firewood would be quiet, burning down the forest would NOT be! The other, less elegant, tack that can be taken is that small amounts of damage just get lost in the general 'noise' of the Symphony. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ | John Karakash - Lucent Technologies/Bell Labs | | (919)388-2665(COOL) MIB2300 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:30:00 EST From: Akumsa@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> A word challange In a message dated 10/27/98 10:21:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, state@uclink4.berkeley.edu writes: << So, John T Perkowski, Ofanite of Arcade Games - I seek attunements for the word of "Cope." As in - "I have such trouble in my life!" "Yes, well, cope." >> It will be awhile, as I am dealing with the words of Pride, Sloth, Victory, Absolution, and about 12 others... Okay, on re-count thats 8 others, Can ya wait about 3 days? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:59:20 -0500 (EST) From: Pee Kitty Subject: Re: IN> Bashir, Elohite of Faith On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Eeyore wrote: > Note: I didn't catch the fact that the Elohite of Faith and Master of > Inner Strength were identical until I did this write-up. One of the two > of them is being sent back to the drawing board. A note: As written, ir-Rahman cannot have the Elohite of Faith attunement, as it depends on Elohim resonance. It's one of those attunements that I think most servitors of faith would want to have (ala Malakim of Gabriel), so may I suggest change it from "On a successful resonance roll..." to "With a successful Percepton roll...", and keep it as the Elohim attunement. No clue what the Master distinction should give. BTW, incredible stuff! - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian Meow! ::: Thinking about a Tampa Bay Devival in the future - email me! ::: Or go to http://www.cris.com/~pkitty (hell, go there anyways!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:02:10 -0800 From: patrick Subject: IN> word challenge...er, request. sounds good! Hope you cut back on the workload, man! Enoch Malakite of Dark Humor. - -- I reserve the right to execute any henchmen who appear to be a little too intelligent, powerful, or devious. However if I do so, I will not at some subsequent point shout "Why am I surrounded by these incompetent fools?!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 01:01:27 EST From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: IN> A diseased little thought that even I don't take too seriously Just a few Mental Brain Thoughts about the Kyriotates and their fun-loving counterparts, the Shedim. I've noticed a few things about the Shedim I feel are worth mentioning. They're not like other demons. For one thing, while other demons are merely selfish, the Shedim are actually evil. They have a deep-seated drive to corrupt. They love it. Most demons only care about themselves. The Shedim are all about other people. Other demons, after falling, become twisted versions of their former selves. They've lost their purpose. Shedim, on the other hand, have fallen from a choir that seems to have no purpose, and in doing so, gain one. Kyriotates are purposeless creatures. The Seraphim hold the truth. The Cherubim protect. Etc. Etc. The Kyrios, though they have a cool resonance, and a cool weakness.(the lack of a vessel) have no function in heavenly society. My theory on the matter? Well, if I were a cynical man, I'd say that the game designers came up with the Shedim first, liking the idea of a possessing, corrupting demon, then invented the Kyrios so the Shedim would have something to fall from. Not being a cynical man, I offer an alternative hypothesis: GOD came up with the Shedim first, liking the idea of a possessing, corrupting demon, then invented the Kyrios so the Shedim would have something to fall from. Early, early on, some deviant aspect of God, the part that would create/become Kronos, invented the Shedim, or at least the idea of the Shedim. This idea was in some dark subconscious corner of God's mind when He created the Kyrios. Consider: Other demons become twisted versions of their former selves. The Djinn, in particular, are the worst, being merely pathetic remnants of their former selves. The Kyrios, upon becoming Shedim, in many ways come into their fullest flower. Sure, they lose some abilities. That's all part of growing up. Having lost the childlike curiosity of the Kyrio, and the child's ability to get into anything, they can now only possess humans. Having lost the energy and vigor of youth, they now can no longer be everywhere at once. One place at a time. The price of growing up. The Kyrio, like a child, doesn't know how to share. "Get out of that body! It's mine!" The Shedite has learned to cooperate, and work with others. It's a diseased little theory that even I don't take too seriously, but it's the only reason I could think of that a friendly and conscientious being as the Kyriotate could become a gleefully corrupt monster like the Shedite. The Shedite must have potentially been there all along. The ultimate demon, existing only to corrupt, sleeping inside an angel, waiting only for a fall to awaken it. Well, everyone, tell me what you think. Yours, Brian A Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 01:59:07 -0500 From: Setzer Gabbiani Subject: IN> a little revelations humor As i was going to st. Ives I met a beast with seven heads the seven heads had seven horns the seven horns had seven diadems the seven diadems had blasphemous names names diadems horns heads how many were going to st ives Ben, Bright Lilim of LARPs serving Blandine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:44:39 -0000 From: "The Anti-Santa" Subject: Re: IN> more bloody london! First let me say that this is of NO use to you whatsoever... It's just the rantings of a madman >Hiya! > >Here are some more thoughts for Londoneers, albeit roughly! ~g~ 8>< * Snip Snip * ><8 >Trocadero: >Her you will find many Relievers of Lightning amongst the kids as they >pump spare change into the video games. Been there, seen that... But it's also home to a few gremlins of Vapula... "They couldn't do THAT last time I played this game" >Hamleys: >There is one particular servant of Christopher who has a special role >here; he gets to be Santa Claus every year (and a few other jobs during >the rest of the year). just as well he is who he is, because a human >could never stand the pace, let alone a demon! Hey, it's not only children... I could've SWORN that salesgirl used Memories of Youth on my teacher when I visited with my school 8>< *KER-SNIP* ><8 >Marnie >U can ICQ me on 19905332 if u like! >"these days even the Devil is getting overturned >and held up to the light like a glass of water" > Nagasaki http://members.xoom.com/Valefor - Nagasaki's Big Pile of Bullshit, no IN stuff as yet, but hey, it's ok for 5 days work ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #995 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.