From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat Feb 28 22:10:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA22143 for ; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 22:10:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id WAA01367 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 28 Feb 1998 22:01:35 -0600 Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 22:01:35 -0600 Message-Id: <199803010401.WAA01367@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #653 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, February 28 1998 Volume 01 : Number 653 In this digest: IN> Neel's Marches IN> Mammon and Haagenti Re: IN> Evil Trick with Roles Re: IN> Evil Trick with Roles Re: IN> Contemporary Ethereals Re: IN> Medical Skill Re: IN> Mephistopheles IN> Toys Re: IN> Jean or Vapula?? Re: IN> Jean or Vapula?? Re: IN> Re: IN: Cats & Etherial Classification Re: IN> Statistics for Superiors Re: IN> Statistics for Superiors Re: IN> Strength of Lucifer (was Varying Superior Disturbance Levels) IN> Re: IN- Blandine ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:46:02 -0500 From: Neel Krishnaswami Subject: IN> Neel's Marches The Ethereal Marches The standard IN rule about ethereals -- that they are created from the dreams of humans -- is one I find unpalatable. First, there is the suggestion that human dreams can create souls -- for that is what creating self-aware, thinking, free-willed beings certainly entails. Personally, I want consciousness to be more important than that; creating thinking beings should at least require deliberate effort on somebody's part. (Insert the obvious jokes here.) Second, I can't think of any natural way to decide when two different conceptions of the same ethereal are different enough to warrant creating two different ethereals. For example, are the neopagan revivalists worshipping the same beings as the ancient Gauls? Do the Marches contain dozens of false Heavens and Hells? Any way you answer these questions, you get led into some pretty sticky places. If you're playing with the is-God-an-ethereal thing, then these are useful questions to be asking. But if, like me, you want to play with a different set of philosophical questions, then these questions are an annoying distraction from the main point. But the idea of the dreamlands is a lot of fun, and throwing it out completely would be to toss out lots of keen stuff for the sake of philosophical consistency. So I redesigned the Marches for my game. Here's what I came up with: 1) Every square inch of the Marches is some sleeping human's dreamscape. The geography of the Marches follows patterns understood only by angels and demons serving Blandine and Beleth; a horrible nightmare can sit cheek-by-jowl with a dream of transcendent joy. The towers of Blandine and Beleth are powerful artifacts that automatically shift their position to be in the most divine and most evil dreams in the Marches. They will never be in the same "place" twice. They also tend to attract dreams of the right type, lending some order to the Marches, but this is by no means absolute. 2) Within each dreamscape, the human is the creator and animator of everything within it, except for the spiritual entities trespassing in the dream. A living human can't leave their own dreamscape; at best their dreamscapes can be joined with other peoples' dreamscapes. It is a common belief among celestials that dreams are part of what God meant when he created man in His image -- the humans are emulating their Creator, trying to create worlds. Angels tend to think this is extraordinarily cute. Demons think it's funny. 3) Only creatures of pure spirit -- angels, demons, and the souls of the dead -- can travel in the dreamlands. (Note that this means that undead are completely cut off from the Marches, being neither human dreamers nor spiritual creatures.) 4) Ethereal spirits come in two major flavors: - - Created from dream. Ethereals created by the dreaming of a human cannot leave the dreamscape of the human that dreamed them up, and lack real will and intelligence. Instead, they play out the patterns set by the subconscious of the dreamer. Sorcerers can summon fragments of dream into the real world, but this will damage the mind of the person (typically themselves) that they summoned it from. - - Souls of the damned, escaped from hell. These are what most celestials mean when they talk about the ethereals. Hell is perfect at nothing, not even at keeping in the souls it has claimed. It is possible for souls to escape from Hell into the marches, and there they can try and eke out an existence independent of Hell -- and Heaven. The Status of Non-Abrahamic Religions: Nearly every religion is more or less completely wrong. Only Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are anywhere near the truth. Wow, it's fun to make terse declarative statements. :) This is a less radical step than it might seem, since IRL I'm an atheist, and to my mind I'm adding just one god rather than subtracting umpteem bajillion. Independent powers in the Marches: Over the centuries, an escaped soul can gain Forces, essence, and even learn to form Vessels like Saints can. But they must be wary: if they are ever slain on Earth, their soul will return to Hell. And the Princes do not deal lightly with humans who dared to try escape their power. The Courts of Fairy is perhaps the best-known example of an independent organization in the Marches. Oberon and Titania are both 15 Force souls, and they have a fair number of vassals of comparable power. While Beleth could easily crush the Fairy Courts, it would require enough of her power that it would leave her exposed to Blandine's angels. The useful generalization is that angels get terrified awe from the ethereals, and demons get terrified obedience -- which means that the ethereals tend to end up serving the cause of Hell. Though of course neither reaction tends to last much past the first instant the celestial turns its back, at which point the ethereal will run away. The Purification Crusade Uriel began his Purification Crusade when many ethereals and demons set themselves up false gods in the marches. Blandine and Novalis's opposition to the Crusade stemmed mostly from the fact that she thought that many of these damned could be redeemed. The more militant angels (with the notable exception of Michael[*]) thought that they represented a greater danger to the faith and souls of the still-living. It's unclear who was ultimately right -- the Purification Crusade was thorough enough that few ethereals have dared to set themselves up as gods since then, but the experience has certainly driven more than one lost soul to work more closely with the demons of the Pit. [*] "Look, if a human's faith in God is so weak that some pint-size dreamlord can wreck it, it's not faith -- it's hallucination." - ---- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@alum.mit.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 22:52:42 -0500 From: "Ehrbar" Subject: IN> Mammon and Haagenti (Just a note -- everything I write about Haagenti is from the "canon" persspective of Haagenti being a major Prince and Mammon being a lesser Prince. It is also twisted by coming from one of Haagenti's Dukes. YMMV, IMC, etc.) Yes, yes, I know all about the food connotation. It's not *my* fault you humans' language doesn't have the purity of the Tounge of Hell. Yeah, when Haagenti first got his Word, it was food-centered, but with a few centuries of expansion and the invention of mass production, it's a lot more nowadays. Just see the "Consume" attunement and Haagenti's Calabim attunement. Yeah, Gluttony's bigger than Greed. Mammon was one of the Originals, but he was sslowly slipping for a long time. See, in the ancient world, Greed wasn't an option for most of the tenant farmers or slaves or serfs that made up most of the population. But overindulgence in alcohol was, for example. The biggest reason Mammon survived so long was Gluttony was a Word subservient to Sloth, and Sloth didn't bother going after Mammon. Too much trouble. Mammon's saving grace was Marc, his old boss. Marc kept getting societies busy trading, which made more people wealthy enough to get greedy. By the time Haagenti had replaced Old Sloth, capitalism had firmly entrenched Greed, and Mammon was too big to immediately eat. From 1750-1900 were Mammon's glory years, where he was the fastest- growing Prince. But then mass production was invented. Sure mass production helped fuel greed some, but the people who made lots of money because of it weren't very much more numerous than the numbers who became wealthy in the years before. What mass production did was make the masses more wealthy and goods cheaper, which has helped fuel Gluttony, which moved Haagenti from a seondary Prince under Kobal's tutelage to a major Prince. And where does anyone get off comparing me to a Balseraph? I'm a better liar than any of that scum, except maybe a few Princes. Yeah, they can convince lots of mortals -- but they try it on a demon with a good Will, and they eat dissonance. And at least I can lie without convincing myself the lie is true. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:42:01 -0500 From: "Ehrbar" Subject: Re: IN> Evil Trick with Roles Oh, I didn't say I'd let any of my PCs get away with it, just that it looks like something you could do within the Rules As Written(TM). There's nothing in the RAW(TM) that says a Role has to have an ordinary human profession, and the human Soldier of Hell the demon is replacing might not even have an ordinary job. So it might be something a GM might want to spring on his Angel PC's one of these days -- a powerful NPC demon who only causes Disturbance when an ordinary human Soldier of Hell would . . . a demon who could detonate an atomic bomb in the service of Hell. Sure, he'd still set off disturbance with a Song, but still... Steven Ehrbar, Calabim Duke of Paperback Books. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 00:31:14 -0500 From: eswhanu@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Evil Trick with Roles Allowing someone to get away with this would be stupid. The way I see Roles, they effectively represent a being's affect on the world were there no Celestial actions. They cover mundane placement in the world. A Soldier of Hell/1-6 represents an inherently supernatural being, and thus really doesn't fit under a Role. Even if a Role has no occupation, per se, it exists in some fashion, and has guidelines as to what would normally be acceptable to the Role. Soldier of Hell is not a Role: what that Soldier did in life is (biker, doctor, student, etc.) Brian Ward On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:42:01 -0500 "Ehrbar" writes: >Oh, I didn't say I'd let any of my PCs get away with >it, just that it looks like something you could do >within the Rules As Written(TM). > >There's nothing in the RAW(TM) that says a Role has >to have an ordinary human profession, and the human >Soldier of Hell the demon is replacing might not >even have an ordinary job. > >So it might be something a GM might want to spring >on his Angel PC's one of these days -- a powerful >NPC demon who only causes Disturbance when an >ordinary human Soldier of Hell would . . . a demon >who could detonate an atomic bomb in the service of >Hell. Sure, he'd still set off disturbance with a >Song, but still... > >Steven Ehrbar, Calabim Duke of Paperback Books. > > _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:37:04 -0500 From: "David C. Shadle" Subject: Re: IN> Contemporary Ethereals > > Oh, god. In Nomine Ghostbusters. The mind is officially boggled. > > > > (God, but that was a fun movie. "She interests me because she sleeps > > above her sheets...four feet above them.") > "Its not fair what your doing to these guys because one time I turned into a dog, and they helped me." Seriously, I'm planning a fight between my PC's group of Angels, and a band o' demons. The place is the Tether of Christopher, Disneyland. The demons have already won LA, now they're moving into Orange County. The players group, based in San Diego, is part of a reinforcement squad sent in to help repel the demons advances/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 09:47:48 -0500 From: Brandon Quina Subject: Re: IN> Medical Skill > I know this has been gone over before, but this chart makes absolutely > no sense whatsoever. Well, it sort of does, in a very very vague sort > of way, but whoever thought this up was on something good and is > still not sharing. It isnt Fluerity then, he always shares. Your definatly right though, that chart /is/ messed up. Any ideas from the list for a better chart? I personally find it weird that it would take that long to do stuff. Id say it'd be better to set up a 'standard interval' and the amount of hits healed in that interval. Like.... the interval for healing is measured in 10 minutes. SKILL LEVEL HITS HEALED 1 1 2 3 3-4 Patients Strength 5-6 x2 Patients Strength or something like that. The storyteller/game-master/god adjusting the hits healed depending on how long you take healing before you make the roll. Or something? should I sleep before posting??? Brandon, "When you have two of something, you should share one." - -- (lore@tmgbbs.com) \|/// Zzzzzzzzzzzz Brandon Lance Quina (- -) ICQ Number: 6809944 ---ooO(_)Ooo--- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 16:23:44 +0000 (GMT) From: Steve Jessop Subject: Re: IN> Mephistopheles On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Perhaps Julian was thinking of Marlowe's "Dr. Faustus," which has > an unambiguously damned ending. It does indeed, but only after extended soul-searching by Faustus as the clock ticks down (comprising one of the most difficult soliloquies in the English language). If he had renounced Hell at that time, and praised God, he would have been saved, but he couldn't bring himself to do it. I like that, which is why I changed the whole Hellsworn thing. It's fun watching a Seraph of Yves use Divine Logic to persuade a Soldier of Hell that he's been conned. Steve. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:27:32 -0500 (EST) From: "R. Sean Borgstrom" Subject: IN> Toys Toys for Novalins - -- "Vaputech?" The Cherub looked smug. "Baby, you ain't seen nothing yet." - -- Jean has been given the secrets of the universe, command over celestial and mortal technology. All well and good. Unfortunately, there are some Archangels whose modus operandus is so different from Jean's that he cannot in conscience give them his full cooperation. Elohim, after all, must use their *own* judgment, no matter how many viewpoints they consider. A long time ago, around the industrial revolution, Novalis approached Jean and pointed out that human technology was becoming increasingly more -- mechanical, lifeless, spirit-dulling, dangerous, and unpleasant. "Obviously," she added, "this is not completely your fault, as humans, Lucifer, and Vapula are making their own contributions to the mix. Still -- could you maybe -- give their work a bit more *zing?*" "*Zing*," Jean explained, "is not in God's plan." "We'll see about that," Novalis muttered, as she left. Novalis has enormous resources to draw upon. Without Jean's cooperation, she might not be able to open the eyes of the human population, but there are still her legions of appreciative angels ... - -- Octoptigon (a Novatech(tm) product) "The octoptigon consists of eight vines attached to a central root cluster. Each vine is approximately sixty yards in length, with scattered photosensitive leaf clusters that serve as eyes. The octoptigon possesses a rudimentary intelligence, sufficient to react to threats and master a vocabulary of up to fifty words. It possesses a *cunning* far beyond the rudimentary, and is deathlessly loyal to its owner. Like a tumbleweed, an octoptigon can uproot itself for travel, although it will die after two days without soil, two days without sunlight, or two days without water." Octoptigons are Class/2 servants, and Resource/1 is sufficient to use them as watchdogs and spies -- but they will balk at putting themselves in real danger unless the Resource level is bought up. These plants possess a soul and are vulnerable to demonic resonances -- if the demon thinks to use them! Corporeal - 2 ( Strength - 1, Agility - 7 ) Ethereal - 1 ( Intelligence - 1, Precision - 3 ) Celestial - 1 ( Will - 1, Perception - 3 ) Skills: Acrobatics/1, Climbing/3, Dodge/2, Emote/1, Escape/2, Fighting/0 (Power -3, Protection -1), Move Silently/2, Savoir-Faire/4. Attunements: Nothing but Flowers - -- Cocoon Weaver (a Novatech(tm) product) "A cocoon weaver is a plant elegantly suited both to personal defense and to nonviolent assault. It is a highly sensitive empath, and when touched by someone nervous or afraid it will naturally climb up and wrap around their body as a kind of living armor. It will not restrict their mobility, although it could if it chose. Cocoon weavers feed on the goodness radiated by good people. However, they will wrap around a villain, too, if necessary. On receiving a mental command from a virtuous person, the cocoon weaver will lash out across the intervening space and wrap around an enemy -- and it *will* restrict that enemy's motions." In game terms, cocoon weavers are relics. They provide the wearer with Protection equal to the level of the relic. By spending one point of Essence, an angel or a good person who is wearing or touching the weaver can make it leap out and grapple a given enemy. This can be treated as a Corporeal Song of Charm, working against Agility. Additional Essence can be spent to increase the chance of the plant reaching its target. This relic is worth 3 points per level, plus 3 points because it can only be used by a good person. It protects anyone wearing it, even an ickybad person, from damage -- but it helps keep people from running away! - -- Conviction Tree (a Novatech(tm) product) "The Conviction Tree is remarkable for its ability to persuade both humans and celestials that the person carrying it around is a) not carrying around a small fifty-pound tree, and b) is an honest and deeply sincere person." The Conviction Tree is a talisman containing the Fast-Talk or Lying skill. It costs the normal 2 points per level, and has the -2 limitation "awkward, bulky, and difficult to transport." (It cannot be taken at level 1.) - -- Social Hood (a Novatech(tm) product) "The Social Hood consists of a long, flexible stalk topped with two very disapproving eyes. A typical user wears a backpack containing a pot with soil, so that the Social Hood rears up over her head. Whenever anyone thinks something bad or disrespectful about the user, the Social Hood will sense it and direct the full power of its baleful glare at them. Almost without realizing it, the people around the user will become nicer and more respectful." The Social Hood is a 'talisman' that gifts its wearer with one level of charisma per artifact level. It costs 5 points per level -- a bargain, considering that it can be shared with friends and other Vessels. - -- Wingflowers (a Novatech(tm) product) "Wingflowers are some of the most mobile inhabitants of the vegetable world. Each one has six perfect petal-wings which they can use to fly anywhere in the universe -- even to Heaven or Hell. Grimly determined, wildly creative, nothing has ever stopped a wingflower from delivering a message given to it." Wingflowers grow, naturally, on a wingflower bush. (Fortunately, the bush can also fly, so they never need to be left behind.) The bush's owner can pluck a flower from the bush at any time and entrust it with a message and a bit of Essence -- no more than 15 words, as wingflowers are plants of very little brain. The flower will then move Heaven and Earth, if necessary, to deliver the message before it dies, separated from the bush, an hour later. A given wingflower can only be used once, and the message may take up to an hour to reach its target. However, the flower is automatically successful, and can go even to someone the user has never met. Wingflowers always move too fast to be followed (unless the GM says otherwise). Wingflowers cost 6 points per level. One new wingflower grows on the bush per level per month, to a maximum of six wingflowers. 1 xp can also be spent at any time to cause a new wingflower to bloom. There are rumors that some angels have access to much larger wingflowers, that can carry an angel on their backs like some botanical cowboy. Novalis denies these rumors with a smile on her face. - -- Hitherby, Kyriotate of Animals in service to Novalis ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:59:00 +0000 From: Julian Breen Subject: Re: IN> Jean or Vapula?? Peter writes >Now at first I thought this had to be the actions agents of Vapula, but an >article I read through the week made me consider it might be a long term >plan by Jean. Basically the article suggested that the failures might >start to break down peoples confidence in current technologies and make >then look again at alternatives, particularly in the cooling of buildings >and power generation. Since the majority of the current methods of cooling >and powergeneration leave a lot to be desired, from resource consumption >and environmental grounds, maybe this is Jean giving us a gentle nudge >towards the airconditioning God always planned for us. > Or maybe some servitor of Gabriel orchestrated it as part of a plan to invoke her? All those candles... ;) - -- Jules - Today the Angel of Lateral Thinking jules@bigjules.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 15:28:51 -0600 From: tom timberlake Subject: Re: IN> Jean or Vapula?? Julian Breen wrote: > > Peter writes > > > Since the majority of the current methods of cooling > >and powergeneration leave a lot to be desired, from resource consumption > >and environmental grounds, maybe this is Jean giving us a gentle nudge > >towards the airconditioning God always planned for us. > > > > Or maybe some servitor of Gabriel orchestrated it as part of a plan to > invoke her? > > All those candles... ;) > > -- > Jules - Today the Angel of Lateral Thinking Actually, it sounds more like Jean, Janus, and the Earthangels, Novalis and Jordi, all working together to create change towards a more benign, earth-friendly, tech, with Gabriel as an unintended beneficiary. This is, of course, IMHO. tom timberlake, Cherub at-large [of Heaven?] ps. You know you've got the IN-bug bad when you drive past a floor-covering store advertising scraps and left-overs with a one word sign that says "remnants" and you crane your head looking for the broken Celestials..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 16:28:52 -0400 (EDT) From: gantr@NKU.EDU Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN: Cats & Etherial Classification On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Martin Leslie Leuschen wrote: > Are groups of similar Etherials "Bands?" It's kind of unfair, isn't it? > Angels have chiors, demons have bands, and the poor etherials have no > good musical adjective to call their own. How about this: Angelic Choir. Demonic Band. Etherial Ensemble. Rich Gant ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 20:04:57 -0500 (EST) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Statistics for Superiors On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Nathaniel Eliot wrote: > I suggested that a while ago, and even tried to get it going. > However, it fell through for lack of time on my part. You're welcome > to talk to me (off list) about what I have available for it. Let me know if/when that gets started, okay? I'm interested in being Laurence. > 1) Who says they don't (the AAs I mean). Have *you* ever looked in > Larry's basement? Yep. And my players would be shocked -- shocked, I say -- if they found out what's there. >:) - -- Casca, Seraph of Archives (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 20:22:47 -0500 (EST) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Statistics for Superiors On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Jo Hart wrote: > If not, then what do superiors really do? Eli looks after his word by.. > ignoring it. Not at all. Creation is a noun, not a verb. As in "All of Creation." The entire -world- is Eli's Word, and he furthers it by being inside it. He's just a bit loopy because he's trying to experience it all at once, and has spread himself thin even by Kyrio standards. That's my take on it, at least. - -- Casca, Seraph of Archives (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:59:43 +1000 From: Simon Hailes Subject: Re: IN> Strength of Lucifer (was Varying Superior Disturbance Levels) At 09:33 AM 27/02/98 -0400, you wrote: > > >On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Simon Hailes wrote: > >> Anyway, continuing the Lucifer debate, I guess you could say that taking a third of someone's man power isn' taking a third of their power (depending of course how much a person depends on individuals) but what I meant to draw upon was the concept of threes that is prevalent in In Nomine, you know, three realms, three types of forces etcetera, I was guessing that Lucifer as the Underdog (but not completely thwarted under dog) may have found a way to do just such a thing, I mean, God is in one aspect, the Symphony, and if we go by that debate then a great deal of God has already been perverted to Darkness, and if we also follow that helping Lucifer by his side is Kronos, a Fallen aspect of God manifest, then suddenly it becomes more likely. Any way, whether or not the Shining One is anywhere near God's power it still leaves the fact that in knowable In Nomine reality (the Corporeal Realm, the Etherial, Upper Hell, Lower Heaven) Lucifer is without match, and before any of you come in and say 'Michael bested Lucy during the Revolt' firstly, we have no real evidence that this was the actual out come, secondly, Lucifer has had a lot of time to increase his power (Now all by himself he can crown Princes, appoint words, perform Interventions) and lastly, to refer to canon, In Night Music, when Lucifer appears, it says that 'all' Superiors and servitors are frozen in place, not all Superiors except for Michael, not Lucifer looks wearily at Michael or anything that would indicate fear on the First Fallen's part of others. So, as I was saying, Lucy is one hard nut who may or may not be able to claim God's throne, then what happens after that? think of Stephen King getting the position of Almighty for a day, then multiply it by about a thousand, yeah, you scared, so am I! Simon, Archangel of Sexy Cameron Diaz Posters "Grow up Kirstie, when you're dead, you're fucking dead!" Frank Caughin, Hellraiser > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 19:51:15 PST From: "David Streeter" Subject: IN> Re: IN- Blandine >-David, Dissonant Elohite of Judgment who makes mistakes sometimes and >whose Word is _not_ Disagreeing With the Demon Princess Line Editor (that I >do just for fun ;)) > *Two* dissonant elohites, both named David? Hmm... SurturZ Dissonant Elohite of Stone ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #653 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.