From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Apr 10 12:39:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA22347 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:39:46 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA23515 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:33:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:33:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199804101733.MAA23515@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #712 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, April 10 1998 Volume 01 : Number 712 In this digest: Re: IN> Symphonic History Re: IN> Noticing disturbances Re: IN> Hells Bells at St Trinians (A cautionary Xmas tale) Re: IN> Spammer: We Can Do It For You! Re: IN> Symphonic History Re: IN> Some Thoughts on Free Will Re: IN> Noticing disturbances Re: IN> Spammer: We Can Do It For You! Re: IN> Looking for a volunteer! IN> Plot seeds Re: IN> Looking for a volunteer! Re: IN> Some Thoughts on Free Will Re: IN> Noticing disturbances Re:IN> We Can Do It For You! IN> IPG is out? IN> Re:volunteer. IN> if krowe ruled Hell Re: IN> if krowe ruled Hell Re: IN> Hells Bells at St Trinians (A cautionary Xmas tale) IN> Dice-rolled dissonance Re: IN> We Can Do It For You! Re: IN> Hells Bells at St Trinians (A cautionary Xmas tale) Re: IN> Spammer: We Can Do It For You! Re: IN> Noticing disturbances Re: IN> Hells Bells at St Trinians (A cautionary Xmas tale) Re: IN> Hells Bells at St Trinians (A cautionary Xmas tale) [topic drift] Re: IN> IPG is out? IN> In> Unofficial Web Sites ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 09 Apr 98 12:32 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Symphonic History >I agree completely. I don't think it would be reasonable (or desirable) to >try to lock down all of human history and how it related to the history of >the War. The best we could expect is to paint some very broad outlines. > >I don't think it would hurt if we tried to do that much, though. Actually, my thinking has been more along the lines of nailing down a few points in history, here and there. One thing that I think is important to the IN "flavor" here is that major events to humanity may not be the major things to celestials. The way I view it, it's perfectly possible that the fight for the soul of a car mechanic in Omaha may be a pivotal battle in the War.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:34:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "York H. Dobyns" Subject: Re: IN> Noticing disturbances Andrew Frades writes: >Tables, charts, obscure mathematica calcaulaions that differ from PC to >PC. The disturbance dertection rules basically bite. I would prefer a >straight roll vs. perception with a modifier of the degree of >disturbance. The modifier goes down a set amount per some distance (I >use the degree of disturbance to the nearest five). The sole structural difference between the above proposed system and the one actually given in the rules is that the distance decrement is modified by the perceiver's Celestial Forces. I find the Disturbance rules dead-simple, but then, I've played Champions for many years. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 12:47:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Hells Bells at St Trinians (A cautionary Xmas tale) *LAUGH* This is pretty screwy, yet humorous. But man, I needed a translation on some of the bits. Myself, an unwashed, uneducated, bohemian American (from Michigan, God Help Us!) didn't understand some of the seed - but I figured it out! Woo! Now I'm sitting here imagining Maxwell, Cherub of the Sword and Mr. Honor, in a cute little 12 year old girl vessel. The concept is deeply disturbing (Or Dana, standing on the desks in the Gov't Classroom, yelling, "WE DEMAND JUSTICE!") - - Em. Washed, Even! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 98 13:03 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Spammer: We Can Do It For You! >First off, my apologies for not handling this by private e-mail. I would >have, but I wasn't sure who to contact. Elizabeth McCoy is one of the list controllers, I think John Karakesh also is. Since the email went to the list, they've seen it. I *know* Elizabeth won't like the fact that this happened.... >Today I recieved from the mailing list a four page advertisement for >e-mail advertising, This is spam. It is a fact of life on the Internet. It was sent to at least two io.com mailing lists. > I don't know what this >person or organization was doing on the mailing list, but I would like to >request that they be removed. I believe io.com's majordomo server (the list manager application) is supposed to try to keep spammers out, by somehow not letting them subscribe -- possibly by validating their claimed source addresses. The spammer may have found a way to spoof this. I passed the message along to the admins at io.com to see if they can find out how this happened. Generally, the mailing-list maintainers can't do much about spammers. I stongly suspect the spammer isn't even subscribed. Normally, the appropriate response to spam is to forward the *entire* spam message (including headers) to the originator's ISP (Internet service provider), and possibly their "upstream", if you suspect the end-point ISP may be part of the spammer's operation. In this case, the spammer came in through daci.net, and their upstream appears to be icix.net. Generally, you should forward spam to "abuse@". Unfortunately, daci's abuse address is bouncing. Most ISPs don't like spam any more than anyone else, and will usually kick the offender off the net. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 13:46:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Symphonic History > Actually, my thinking has been more along the lines of nailing down a > few points in history, here and there. One thing that I think is > important to the IN "flavor" here is that major events to humanity may > not be the major things to celestials. The way I view it, it's > perfectly possible that the fight for the soul of a car mechanic in > Omaha may be a pivotal battle in the War.... > You know, that would be an excellent game seed... - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 19:03:58 +0100 From: Jo Hart Subject: Re: IN> Some Thoughts on Free Will At 12:26 09/04/98 -0400, you wrote: > >A Servitor of Laurence gets Dissonance for disobeying the spirit *or* >the letter of an order, no matter how boneheaded it may be in the light >of later or local developments? (Maybe Laurence never makes mistakes. >Right. I seem to recall some serious theological issues about any >created being making *that* claim.) I don't think of it like that. Think of the army, historically, or more specifically the navy. When you are at sea, the captain is pretty much God inasmuch as you are expected to do exactly what he says, and if you don't the entire ship and everyone on it might be at risk. The whole structure depends on obedience and absolute trust in your superiors giving the right orders. And most of the time it worked, offenders were punished HARSHLY (floggings, hangings, keel-haulings), because they had endangered the entire crew by thinking they knew better than their officers did. The occasions in which superior officers made really really bad mistakes were actually relatively rare -- rare enough to be of historical note. Thats partly because the training was very good (all officers had to work their way up from the bottom which meant that by the time they made captain they'd have done most of the other officer's jobs or would at least know what was involved in running the ship, and also they had a lot of exams to take in appropriate subjects) and partly because they generally had decent esprit-de-corps (amongst the officers at least). Since I'd expect an angelic superior to be that much more competent than a human naval captain, I think it is fair to say that mistakes are ultra-RARE. All Laurence's angels know that many other lives may depend on them obeying their orders to both letter and spirit, and those who are authorised to give orders know that they are expected to also be responsible about it. For an example of a human blunder, look at the charge of the light brigade. The reason the light brigade rode right into the mouth of a valley in which they knew there was an arsenal were because thats what the orders said. If I were writing the In Nom history I might think of one really really famous example like that in which an angel of Laurence gave an order that killed many subordinates -- but then I'd also think of many many many more examples in which perfect obedience saved lives. (It is NOT as bad as Michael's dissonance condition!) jo - ---------- "I like getting into hot water, it keeps me clean." G. K. Chesterton jhart@btinternet.com -- http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~jhart/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 15:18:29 -0400 From: Andrew Frades Subject: Re: IN> Noticing disturbances York H. Dobyns wrote: > > Andrew Frades writes: > > >Tables, charts, obscure mathematica calcaulaions that differ from PC to > >PC. The disturbance dertection rules basically bite. I would prefer a > >straight roll vs. perception with a modifier of the degree of > >disturbance. The modifier goes down a set amount per some distance (I > >use the degree of disturbance to the nearest five). > > The sole structural difference between the above proposed system and the > one actually given in the rules is that the distance decrement is modified > by the perceiver's Celestial Forces. Yep, but calculating the modifiers for multiple characters with differing forces becomes a pain if there is any distance. Have fun if you want to. I've played Champions too and by comparison this is pretty difficult (multiple calculations of differing types) whereas Champions is addition/subtraction. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:28:53 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Spammer: We Can Do It For You! At 1:03 PM -0400 4/9/98, Walter Milliken wrote: >>First off, my apologies for not handling this by private e-mail. I would >>have, but I wasn't sure who to contact. > >Elizabeth McCoy is one of the list controllers, I think John Karakesh >also is. Since the email went to the list, they've seen it. I *know* >Elizabeth won't like the fact that this happened.... That is *TOO* bloody right. >Normally, the appropriate response to spam is to forward the *entire* >spam message (including headers) to the originator's ISP (Internet >service provider), and possibly their "upstream", if you suspect the >end-point ISP may be part of the spammer's operation. In this case, the >spammer came in through daci.net, and their upstream appears to be >icix.net. Generally, you should forward spam to "abuse@". >Unfortunately, daci's abuse address is bouncing. > >Most ISPs don't like spam any more than anyone else, and will usually >kick the offender off the net. In the current case, I traced the headers and found the below... If anyone else wanted to speak with the people here, be sure that you forward the offending spam *with all headers and text*. If you can't get it to show all the cruft that I've got below ("Recieved, etc.), then they really can't do much. Also, mailbombing is rude and impolite. One spam, one complaint per person spammed. Dacia.com/209.4.126.44 appears to be the source. They have a good AUP (Acceptible use policy), and I will send a copy to abuse@daci.net. In case they're all bark and no bite, I also informed ICIX/intermedia.com, who didn't have a findable AUP, so I went and told their upstream as well -- digex.net. (Yes, spam does make me overkill. daci.net will probably handle it.) http://209.52.184.114/swmail/ is in the text of the spam. ARINwhois lookup gets me to: BCTEL.NET, as does traceroute. Therefore, I informed BCTEL.net as well. (You have to do a search at their site, with keyword of "unsolicited," to get their AUP.) If you can't forward along headers that look somewhat like this stuff, then it doesn't help to report to daci.net much. It might help to report to BCTEL.net, since the offending URL is *in* the text of the spam. >Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by hammurabi.nh.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult.n14767) with ESMTP id CAA26445 for ; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:52:22 -0400 (EDT) >Received: (from majordom@localhost) > by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id CAA27104 > for in_nomine-l-outgoing; Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:01:12 -0500 >Received: from mail4u (jfd44.daci.com [209.4.126.44]) > by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA27043; > Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:00:24 -0500 >Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 02:00:24 -0500 >From: future@theway4.br >Message-Id: <199804090700.CAA27043@lists.io.com> >Subject: IN> We Can Do It For You! >Sender: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >X-UIDL: 476e720fea66849a6d7f658b1a7a9c9e - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:34:46 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Looking for a volunteer! At 11:58 PM -0400 4/8/98, Emily Dresner wrote: >> I'd noticed those pages hadn't been updated since last November. It's >> good to know that somebody will be on top of them. >> -Rob > >Or under them as the case may be. Very... deep... under them. Nothing >like 6 months of backlog. :) > >I'm still just looking for dead links. AMONG other things. She is taming the morass, the sucking, swirling eddies, the quicksand that is the INC beneath the calm surface... She is going to get a Distinction out of this. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 98 16:30 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: IN> Plot seeds >> Actually, my thinking has been more along the lines of nailing down a >> few points in history, here and there. One thing that I think is >> important to the IN "flavor" here is that major events to humanity may >> not be the major things to celestials. The way I view it, it's >> perfectly possible that the fight for the soul of a car mechanic in >> Omaha may be a pivotal battle in the War.... >> > >You know, that would be an excellent game seed... "I gotta million a dem." And, no, I won't write them all down *right now*.... I tend to use them for con plots, anyway. And I don't actually have them until I Need them.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:36:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Looking for a volunteer! > >I'm still just looking for dead links. AMONG other things. > > She is taming the morass, the sucking, swirling eddies, the quicksand > that is the INC beneath the calm surface... > > She is going to get a Distinction out of this. > I'm asking for an Extra Strength Bufferin, though.... :P - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:02:03 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Some Thoughts on Free Will At 12:26 PM -0400 4/9/98, York H. Dobyns wrote: >What I find more of an issue is the assertion, made in the basic rules >and emphasized in the APG, that Falling is fundamentally a moral choice. Falling comes from being untrue to one's nature. That angels are generally fundamentally moral helps... Cherubim must protect. It is their *nature* to protect. To fail to protect *hurts*. Ofanim must *move*, and move precisely. It's their natures, and to go against their natures is a choice... The Word one serves is also a part of one's nature. Windys *must* cause change, and change their areas. To be fixed in one place is wrong, against their natures. But, except for a couple of interventions in a row, angels just don't fall "by accident." They have to violate their nature (by design, or bad luck) at least 3 times, first, and not *do* anything about it. *That* is choice. If you choose to betray your nature... Well, that nature will change. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:05:36 From: Peter Frederick Subject: Re: IN> Noticing disturbances At 09:05 AM 9/4/98 -0400, you wrote: > >> Tables, charts, obscure mathematica calcaulaions that differ from PC to >> PC. The disturbance dertection rules basically bite. I would prefer a >> straight roll vs. perception with a modifier of the degree of >> disturbance. The modifier goes down a set amount per some distance (I >> use the degree of disturbance to the nearest five). > >That sounds generally like what I do. I have them roll perception, and >then I wave my hands around and make something up dependant on the check >digit. I don't like having to memorize tables or calculations. I thought there were two excellent tables that people produced some months ago that had gone into the INC that gave me a fair bit of help in working out the chances of characters hearing disturbances. I have them printed out for handy reference during play, but don't have the original emails, otherwise I'd just repost them. OTOH lots of the time I just look thoughtful, have a guess, look at what the player rolled and then if it would advance the game and doesn't look like too much of a GM fudge tell them they heard soemthing or they didn't. Regards, Peter. Reply to peterf@wr.com.au May the Goddess shelter you in the palm of her hand until we meet again. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:23:16 PDT From: "Chris Crowe" Subject: Re:IN> We Can Do It For You! Um... does anyone have any idea how this got on the list. whatever it is, let's kill it and hurt those responsible. alot. Krowe, Malakim of Destiny, Angel of Redemption. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:26:16 PDT From: "Chris Crowe" Subject: IN> IPG is out? >>>I just picked up the IPG last night and have not been able to fully peruse it, but I found the history from a demonic perspective to be very interesting. The various Band symbols are very nice as well and the psychology of Balseraphs explained inside is just amazing. I support I'll stop raving now and go finish reading it.<<< IPG is already out? Grrrrrr! my local store STILL hasn't revieved the LR. this kinda sux, i want both badly. oh well..... Krowe, Malakim of Destiny, Angel of Redemption ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:29:18 PDT From: "Chris Crowe" Subject: IN> Re:volunteer. >>> >http://www.sjgames.com/misc/volunteers.html >has the information... It seems that we need someone to keep the >www.sjgames.com/in-nomine page up to date... And our volunteer is... Em, Balseraph of the Game, in service to Nitpicking on Tuesdays! <<< i went to volunteer but the page was gone. if you want any help, let me know. i can help you search for broken links and stuff. =) Krowe, Malakim of Destiny, Angel of Redemption and part-time Servitor of Orc ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:36:20 PDT From: "Chris Crowe" Subject: IN> if krowe ruled Hell >>>But was that truly what Lucifer said, or merely accredited to him by a mortal..?<<< isn't everything mythological or biblical accredited to whoever by a mortal? >>>Hmmm, so what would you change?<<< for one thing, those souls who are their because they died before Christianity and where never baptised would be exported to someplace happier, maybe Waikiki. i'd put Kobal in charge of greating all the new arrivals, too. a little humor before an eternity of nastiness. >>>(Not that I'd notice, you understand... I'll be far too busy dribbling away in Perdition.)<<< heeheehee. i'd let you visit Hell every once in a while. for nothing else if not a nice hot bath and the best roasted marshmellows in creation. >>>"I kick arse for the Lord!" - Father McGruder<<< _deadalive_ was such a great movie! Krowe, Malakim of Destiny, Angel of Redemption ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:10:45 +0200 (WET) From: Anders Gabrielsson Subject: Re: IN> if krowe ruled Hell On Thu, 9 Apr 1998, Chris Crowe wrote: > >>>"I kick arse for the Lord!" - Father McGruder<<< > > _deadalive_ was such a great movie! Hmmm... Wonder what Choir Father McGruder would belong to? Malakim is a bit too simple... ;) Anders Gabrielsson anders@stp.ling.uu.se The contents of this message belong to me and nobody else. So there! "I kick arse for the Lord!" - Father McGruder ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 23:25:54 +0100 From: Rhodri James Subject: Re: IN> Hells Bells at St Trinians (A cautionary Xmas tale) On 09 Apr, Emily Dresner wrote: > *LAUGH* > This is pretty screwy, yet humorous. But man, I needed a translation on > some of the bits. Myself, an unwashed, uneducated, bohemian American > (from Michigan, God Help Us!) didn't understand some of the seed - but I > figured it out! Woo! Heh. The next time it comes up on one of the Old Film channels, grab the chance to watch The Belles of St Trinians (or The Great St Trinians Train Robbery, or whatever comes up). Then be afraid, be *very* afraid! - -- Rhodri James *-* Wildebeeste herder to the masses If you don't know who I work for, you can't misattribute my words to them ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:46:02 -0500 (CDT) From: rogue@ez-net.com Subject: IN> Dice-rolled dissonance >Rolling it doesn't bother me too much, although I dislike dice. It's when >you get dissonance for failed die rolls or poor check digits that bother >me. It's one thing to play through a point of dissonance (a cherub lets >her attuned get harmed or killed, a mercurian hurts a human, a seraph >tells lies) and it's entirely another when you get it just because the >dice hate you that day. I'd rather get rid of that part of the system. > >- - Em I agree that angels should never get dissonance due only to bad dice rolls. IMC, at least, you can only get dissonance from the choices you make. A Seraph doesn't get dissonance as long as he believes he's telling the truth, Cherubim don't get dissonance if there was absolutely nothing they could do to protect their charge (though I'm usually kinda harsh on that one). With demons, though, it's another story. Demonic dissonance doesn't bring you closer to redemption, it just messes you up. And since demons are, at the most basic level, pretty frotzed anyway, it makes since that they can gain dissonance accidentally. Angelic souls are aligned and balanced, it takes a conscious decision to throw off that balance. Demonic souls are the equivalent of an entire bedroom set perched on the back of an elephant, who is in turn standing on a see-saw. All IMHO, of course. - -Brent P.S. Good call on taking over the INsite, Em... as much as I appreciate Kingsley's humor, I was getting a little tired of seeing it there every day. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:54:05 EDT From: Heretic103 Subject: Re: IN> We Can Do It For You! In a message dated 98-04-09 11:49:58 EDT, you write: << person or organization was doing on the mailing list, but I would like to request that they be removed. I am on this list to discuss In Nomine, not to recieve junk e-mail. If the list monitor (whoever you are) would like to see the e-mail, please contact me privately. I don't want to waste any more bandwidth on this subject. >> I agree I recieved the same one and I get enough from my personal mail. This is for roleplayers not a easy ticket to advertising internet scams. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:59:08 EDT From: Heretic103 Subject: Re: IN> Hells Bells at St Trinians (A cautionary Xmas tale) In a message dated 98-04-09 11:52:10 EDT, you write: << Sixth formers >> I am sorry but what is fourth form mafia and sixth formers maybe I missed something in the letter or is some new game term that I missed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 01:04:15 EDT From: Heretic103 Subject: Re: IN> Spammer: We Can Do It For You! In a message dated 98-04-09 13:13:50 EDT, you write: << Normally, the appropriate response to spam is to forward the *entire* spam message (including headers) to the originator's ISP (Internet service provider), and possibly their "upstream", if you suspect the end-point ISP may be part of the spammer's operation. In this case, the spammer came in through daci.net, and their upstream appears to be icix.net. Generally, you should forward spam to "abuse@". Unfortunately, daci's abuse address is bouncing. >> I SAY WE ALL GO MALAKIM ON THEIR @#$%^& ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 01:12:51 -0400 From: Nana Yaw Ofori Subject: Re: IN> Noticing disturbances >Anders Gabrielsson wrote: >> Me neither, but it would be nice to have some kind of usable >> approximation. >> >> > But I suppose one could work up a quick "cheat sheet." Maybe I'll do this >> > sometime when I have the time (yeah, right). I'll post the results if >>I do. >> >> The one I did was a table with degree of disturbance and distance along >> the edges. It was calculated for three Celestial Forces, and gave a >> modifier to the Perception roll. I could at least get some idea of what >> modifier to use - "Someone was killed a couple of hundred feet away... >> that should be minus X" - but I'd prefer a simpler way of calculating it. http://www.math.unc.edu/Grads/pfstrack/innom/rules/disturbances2.html About a Year ago, Walt Mazur worked out a table for disturbances, cross-referencing Celestial Forces with Maginitude of Disturbance, making a handy guide for discerning the distance at which -1 penalties accrue, labeled the Basic Distance. While it's still a "Get out your calculator" thing, it's just divide distance to the disturbance by the incremental distance, and there's the penalty. You'll find it at the above URL. To /really/ simplify things, just use the 3 Celestial Forces column, for all celestials. = http://www.io.com/~beholder ===================== nofori@pop3.utoled.edu === Nana-Yaw "The Fish" Ofori, Freelance Soldier of Heck, presenty serving Trudy, Impudite Captain of Gluttony, the Demon of Popcorn ===== ><{{"> ============ "Life's a Fish, then you Fry." ======= <"}}>< ====== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 06:11:32 +0100 From: Jo Hart Subject: Re: IN> Hells Bells at St Trinians (A cautionary Xmas tale) At 12:47 09/04/98 -0400, you wrote: > But man, I needed a translation on >some of the bits. Myself, an unwashed, uneducated, bohemian American >(from Michigan, God Help Us!) didn't understand some of the seed - but I >figured it out! Woo! Sorry, my bad. I hadn't thought that you might not get as much exposure to those films as we do. Basically there was a set of 4 comedy films made in the 50s about a very strange private girls' boarding school caled 'St Trinians' which featured some of the best (British) comedy actors of the time -- I think it was originally based on a book or cartoon, not sure and haven't been able to find anything online about it. The films are great but the whole thing seems to have filtered into pop culture over here. My fault for not realising it was just a local phenomenon ;) I'm just trying to think which terminology needs to be explained. At some schools here, instead of referring to the kids by which year they are in, they call the years 'forms' and do not number them in a sensible or esecially coherent manner. The lower and upper sixth form is always years 16/17 and 17/18 though. So the fourth form means age 13, and implies its at a posh school. A dorm is a dormitary, room/ house where the kids sleep at boarding school. >Now I'm sitting here imagining Maxwell, Cherub of the Sword and Mr. Honor, >in a cute little 12 year old girl vessel. Funnily enough, I was having those same evil thoughts about our local cherub of the sword. But how mean can you be to someone who is so honourable that he can't conceive of lying, despite not being a seraph? jo ps. If it helps, I have the same trouble with terminology about the 'Buffy' stuff ;) - ---------- "I like getting into hot water, it keeps me clean." G. K. Chesterton jhart@btinternet.com -- http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~jhart/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:27:39 -0400 From: "Thomas Davidson" Subject: Re: IN> Hells Bells at St Trinians (A cautionary Xmas tale) [topic drift] > From: Emily Dresner > To: 'in_nomine-l@lists.io.com' > Subject: Re: IN> Hells Bells at St Trinians (A cautionary Xmas tale) > Date: Thursday, April 09, 1998 12:47 PM > > Now I'm sitting here imagining Maxwell, Cherub of the Sword and Mr. Honor, > in a cute little 12 year old girl vessel. The concept is deeply > disturbing (Or Dana, standing on the desks in the Gov't Classroom, > yelling, "WE DEMAND JUSTICE!") > For some bizarre reason, I'm reminded of a Champions character I created: Doll, a 60 STR brick in the form of an eight-year-old girl (she had blonde pigtails and all, and commonly went to combats with a gigantic lollipop!) :) "I'm so cute... love me! Love me!" "Big, bad man fall down." :) Thomas Davidson tdavidso@suffolk.lib.ny.us http://wwp.mirabilis.com/7789233/ UIN: 7789233 http://www.accessdenied.net/cgi-bin/main.cgi?userid=326&newuser=profile MUSIC: Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Rolling Stones, Rush, Jimi Hendrix GAMES: Champions (old and new), In Nomine, Nephilim TV: The X-Files, the Simpsons, Superman, The Tick, the Animaniacs OTHER: Religion, Philosophy, mysticism, the runes, the Tarot, writing. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:22:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Bowman Subject: Re: IN> IPG is out? Yes. The IPG is out. On the whole, I'd say I like it better than the APG (which I quite liked). I found the "how to play a demon" section a bit more useful and the expanded resonances flowed a bit better from the original book than some of the expanded angelic resonances did. Highly recommended. Michael Bowman bvmi@odin.cc.pdx.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:20:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner Subject: IN> In> Unofficial Web Sites Hey - I know you have an IN web site. As a matter of fact, I know you have a URL you want to send to me. You just can't help it. *resonate* I'm trying to update the Unofficial Web Sites list, because I don't think it's been updated since the stone age. But unfortunately, I haven't gotten around to developing psychic powers yet. Working on it, though. In the mean time, if your site is mostly dedicated to the game of In Nomine (not just one line, or a link, or something) and does not have an Under Construction sign on it and isn't somehow offensive, then send your URL and a SHORT (I repeat, short, which means, you know, short) description of your site to: zenith@pyramid.sjgames.com. Thanks! - - Em, thinking about Matzo Ball Soup. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #712 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.