From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Apr 14 04:35:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA32322 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 04:35:58 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id EAA20234 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 14 Apr 1998 04:29:22 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 04:29:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199804140929.EAA20234@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #715 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, April 14 1998 Volume 01 : Number 715 In this digest: IN> Jordi Alert Re: IN> A view on dark humour Re: IN> Jordi Alert RE: IN> What do you want on the INdex? IN> Vapu-Tech Re: IN> Jordi Alert Re: IN> Jordi Alert IN> Angel of Newspapers? Re: IN> Jordi Alert Re: IN> Jordi Alert Re: IN> Angel of Newspapers? Re: IN> Angel of Newspapers? Re: IN> Angel of Newspapers? Re: IN> Jordi Alert Re: IN> Jordi Alert Re: IN> Angel of Newspapers? Re: IN> Angel of Newspapers? Re: IN> Angel of Newspapers? Re: IN> Angel of Newspapers? Re: IN> Angel of Newspapers? IN> the ring of truth Re: IN> Jordi Alert Re: IN> Angel of Newspapers? Re: IN> Angel of Newspapers? Re: IN> Jordi Alert IN> Just a quick note... IN> Fates and Destinies ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:19:10 From: Peter Frederick Subject: IN> Jordi Alert Reported in the Sunday Times was a comment that some Zoos in Britan had taken to giving their large animals doses of Prozac and vallium for stress related to their captivity. Animals who had been doses included large apes, lions, tigers and killer whales (???). Servitors of Jordi unite, strike down the corrupting humans. Regards, Peter. Reply to peterf@wr.com.au May the Goddess shelter you in the palm of her hand until we meet again. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:27:01 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> A view on dark humour I am reminded of a Screwtape letter dealing with humor. Screwtape tells his nephew Wormwood that the causes of human laughter can be divided into: Joy, Fun, the Joke proper, and Flippancy. Joy is entirely antithetical to the goals of Hell, of course. Fun may incidentally involve some vice, as in neglect of a duty, but it has a smell of humility and self-forgetfulness about it that Screwtape distrusts. The Joke proper depends on the sudden perception of incongruity. It is the most neutral of the four and can be turned to hellish account in a couple of ways. Screwtape says that the English in particular are so afraid of being considered humorless that you can get away with almost anything with them if you treat it as a joke. Cruelty disguised as a practical joke is an example. One can also use dirty jokes, but Screwtape thinks they are over-rated. At least, you have to know if your "patient" is of the proper psychological type. For some people, sex is serious and things cease being sexy just so much as they become truly funny. If these people tell dirty jokes, it is because sex offers lots of opportunities for incongruity, and this is really no incitement to lust. Other people naturally combine sex-drive with humor and these can be incited to lust through dirty jokes, but it's still a lot of work and Screwtape thinks there are better ways to get the results. Flippancy, on the other hand, is wonderful froma diabolical point of view. In the flippant attitude, no one actually makes a joke but a ridiculous side of the topic is *assumed* to have been found by everyone in the conversation. People keep up flippancy in order to look "cool" (NOT Screwtape's term), so it aids vanity. It has no connection to friendship, joy, or fun, and is great insulation against any serious concern with moral issues. Screwtape loves it. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:37:13 -0400 From: Jesse Subject: Re: IN> Jordi Alert >Reported in the Sunday Times was a comment that some Zoos in Britan had >taken to giving their large animals doses of Prozac and vallium for stress >related to their captivity. Animals who had been doses included large >apes, lions, tigers and killer whales (???). Oh that's not news. Domestic dogs have been prescribe prozac for years. Esp. those little yappy ones, man those piss me off. - -Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:42:37 -0700 From: "Steven Feldon (Exchange)" Subject: RE: IN> What do you want on the INdex? Hey, good suggestion! I'll include that, for sure. Sorted by Pantheon, probably, no? steve - -----Original Message----- From: Heretic103 [mailto:Heretic103@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, April 11, 1998 7:12 PM To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: Re: IN> What do you want on the INdex? hows about the ethernal gods and elemental spirits ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:14:45 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> Vapu-Tech AP STORY OF THE WEEK Tokyo commuter Katsuo Katugoru caused havoc on a crowded tube train when his inflatable underpants unexpectedly went off. The rubber underwear was made by Katsuo himself, and designed to inflate to 30 times their original size in the event of a tidal wave. "I am terrified of water, and death by drowning is my greatest fear" said Katsuo, 48. "Unfortunately I set them off accidently while looking for a boiled sweet on a rush hour train. They were crushing everybody in the carriage until a passenger stabbed them with a pencil." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:17:03 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Jordi Alert One of Jordi's Kyriotates? Or a Malakite with Song of Possession? Or just one very heavy Soldier recruited from the species in question? - --Earl Rhinoceros kills alleged zoo thief in Colombia Copyright © 1998 Nando.net Copyright © 1998 Agence France-Presse BOGOTA (April 8, 1998 07:31 a.m. EDT http://www.nando.net) - An alleged thief managed to evade security at the Cali zoo before dawn on Tuesday, but the zoo's rhinoceros was more alert. The two-ton animal, which veterinarian Jorge Gardeazabal described as "very tranquil" but highly territorial, gored and sat on him, killing him. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:40:07 -0400 From: Jesse Subject: Re: IN> Jordi Alert >One of Jordi's Kyriotates? Or a Malakite with Song of Possession? >Or just one very heavy Soldier recruited from the species in question? This reminds me of a Mage charcter I had, it was a Son of Ether bottle-nosed dolphin. Really fun. - -Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:50:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Dykes Subject: IN> Angel of Newspapers? I'm kinda stumped... If I wanted the Demon of Newspapers, that'd be easy, a Bal in service to Nybbas, or any other band if I wanted to work a little harder, such as a shedite whose job it would be to possess presses or wp systems to screw up copy or somesuch... But an angel? An Elohite with sound editorial judgement, probably, perhaps a Seraph, a reasonable case could be made for just about any choir... But what about a superior? Jean or Litheroy? Maybe Laurence? Yves? None of the canonical AAs seem to make a really good match. My campaign has recast Jean as AA of Science, and added Julius, AA of Civilization, which might do. And how about the Angel of Journalism? That would be the Angel of Newspapers immediate supervisor... But I've already cast the Angel of Tabloids as a servitor of Creation . Any suggestions or ideas are welcome... == bruce bdykes@intac.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 10:54:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Dykes Subject: Re: IN> Jordi Alert - ---Earl Wajenberg wrote: > > One of Jordi's Kyriotates? Or a Malakite with Song of Possession? > Or just one very heavy Soldier recruited from the species in question? > --Earl > > The two-ton animal, which veterinarian Jorge Gardeazabal described as > "very tranquil" but highly territorial, gored and sat on him, killing > him. Shedite of Kobal... == bruce bdykes@intac.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:14:40 EDT From: Heretic103 Subject: Re: IN> Jordi Alert In a message dated 98-04-13 03:36:39 EDT, you write: << Servitors of Jordi unite, strike down the corrupting humans. >> I must ask does anyone really play servitors of jordi? I personally haven't seen or heard of many people, and not that I am saying that they are bad or nothing I just haven't seen any of my players show much interest in him. Heretic, Demon of Heresy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:12:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Knop Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Newspapers? > But what about a superior? Jean or Litheroy? Maybe Laurence? Yves? Disclaimer: I don't have the GM's pack, so I don't know much in detail about Litheroy. On the other hand, "Revelation" would seem like the perfect superior for an _Angel_ of Newspapers. That is the ideal "good" purpose of newspapers: to inform, to reveal. - -Rob === Rob Knop === rknop@crl.com ==== http://www.wco.com/~rknop === Amiga PGP information at http://www.wco.com/~rknop/amiga_pgp Visit the Dramatic Exchange at http://www.dramex.org/ ================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:35:52 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Newspapers? I second the vote for Litheroy. If the Angel of Newspapers is to be the consumate reporter, then there are several choices -- Seraph (truth-detection), Kyriotate (eyes everywhere), Ophanite (first at the scene), Mercurian (great interviewer). For editor, yes, an Elohite. Don't see Cherub in that role, unless it can get very metaphorical about "protecting the truth." Likewise, a Malakite could "attack lies" I guess. And, just to be complete, a Bright Lilim might be able to pull it off, if she can spin the right web of favors to pull in. ("*How* did *this* get leaked?") Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:41:36 -0400 From: Jesse Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Newspapers? >But an angel? An Elohite with sound editorial judgement, probably, >perhaps a Seraph, a reasonable case could be made for just about any >choir... Yep. >But what about a superior? Take a look at a newspaper. What does most of it deal with? Econamics. Clearly Marc has the greatest vested interest in maintaining an angel of newspapers. - -Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:49:50 -0500 From: Uncle Wolf Subject: Re: IN> Jordi Alert > << Servitors of Jordi unite, strike down the corrupting humans. > >> ---Peter Frederick > > I must ask does anyone really play servitors of jordi? I personally haven't > seen or heard of many people, and not that I am saying that they are bad or > nothing I just haven't seen any of my players show much interest in him. > > Heretic, Demon of Heresy Yes. As a matter of fact, you may remember that I brought in my Eternal Dawn PBEM character, Felix, Cherub of Jordi, to respond "in character" to the Laurentian rebuttal of the initial announcement re: the formation of the Anti-Puritan League [club?]. I think this was late Jan., possibly early Feb. Felix has been in the ED game since it started under Paul Strack's GM-ship. Peter F. now is in charge [mostly, when we let him be *g*]. Speaking of which, does this message from you mean that you are now back and ready to receive messages and moves for the game, or are you on a borrowed computer? tom timberlake, cadre Cherub of Heaven ps. apologies to the list for letting game business overlap the list message. tom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 14:46:05 -0400 From: Jesse Subject: Re: IN> Jordi Alert >I must ask does anyone really play servitors of jordi? I personally haven't >seen or heard of many people, and not that I am saying that they are bad or >nothing I just haven't seen any of my players show much interest in him. I have played a Kyrio of Jordi who can posses insect swarms. With the claws NC at level 5. Ouch. But really it is quite fun to play Jordittes. It gives the GMs the willeys. - -Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:56:42 -0500 From: Uncle Wolf Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Newspapers? Earl Wajenberg wrote: > > I second the vote for Litheroy. If the Angel of Newspapers is > to be the consumate reporter, then there are several choices -- I disagree. In many cities, newspapers also serve as the means of public notification of legal matters. These "papers of record", which can and do serve as official records for the courts, would put themselves [and their unofficial cousins] in the hands of very own AA of Archives, ArchBeth. Of course, YMMV. tom timberlake, cadre Cherub of Heaven ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:16:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Dykes Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Newspapers? - ---Jesse wrote: > >But what about a superior? > > Take a look at a newspaper. What does most of it deal with? Econamics. > Clearly Marc has the greatest vested interest in maintaining an angel > of newspapers. > > -Jesse I had considered this, but there are many newspapers whose coverage of business and financial affairs could only be considered casual, at best. Quite probably the Angel of Financial Journalism is one of Marc's, in service to the Angel of Journalism, who would absolutely be one of Litheroy's. == bruce bdykes@intac.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:19:42 -0400 From: Andrew Frades Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Newspapers? Bruce Dykes wrote: > > I'm kinda stumped... [snip] > But an angel? An Elohite with sound editorial judgement, probably, > perhaps a Seraph, a reasonable case could be made for just about any > choir... > > But what about a superior? Jean or Litheroy? Maybe Laurence? Yves? > None of the canonical AAs seem to make a really good match. My > campaign has recast Jean as AA of Science, and added Julius, AA of > Civilization, which might do. > > And how about the Angel of Journalism? That would be the Angel of > Newspapers immediate supervisor... With his connection to recorded history why not use Yves? Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:23:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Dykes Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Newspapers? - ---Robert Knop wrote: > On the other hand, "Revelation" would seem like the perfect superior for > an _Angel_ of Newspapers. That is the ideal "good" purpose of > newspapers: to inform, to reveal. > > -Rob I certainly have Litheroy as Patron of Journalism, but when I start trying to think on down to newspapers in general, and tabloids in particular, sometimes it just doesn't necessarily fit...I'll have to review his attunements, and see if any particular choir jumps out at me... == bruce bdykes@intac.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:28:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Dykes Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Newspapers? - ---Uncle Wolf wrote: > > I disagree. In many cities, newspapers also serve as the means of public > notification of legal matters. These "papers of record", which can and > do serve as official records for the courts, would put themselves [and > their unofficial cousins] in the hands of very own AA of Archives, > ArchBeth. Of course, YMMV. > > tom timberlake, cadre Cherub of Heaven I can see a Kyrio Angel of Newspaper Morgues, with a special attunement of being able to possess a complete archive of size x, and being able to index and locate any desired bit of info in x number of minutes... == bruce bdykes@intac.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:28:15 +0100 From: Jo Hart Subject: IN> the ring of truth (I'm sure I mentioned this earlier. Here it is. I'm going to try to be less spammy on the list in the future but until then here are 3 relic-lets) Ring of Truth This simple but useful little relic can come in any form which may be worn, although the most usual types are worked into jewelry. When a point of essence is fed into it the ring warps the symphony around the wearer whenever he tells a lie. This effectively decreases the detect lie skill of all listeners who succeed in a perception roll by the check digit for 10 minutes per point of essence. Seraphim also subtract the check digit from their perception for the purposes of detecting lies, for the duration. - --- St. Edward's Scales of Justice St. Edward (Patron Saint of Passionate Defence Advocacy) was given the scales as a gift by a celestial whose vessel he had defended in court, before achieving sainthood in Dominic's service. He assumes that they are divine in origin. They comprise a small set of scales which can be comfortably held in one hand. One scale-pan is gleaming silver, and the other is tarnished. When the user feeds a point of essence into them, he can recite a list of charges against an accused party, and a list of mitigating circumstances -- at each new charge, the scales will tilt according to the truth in the accusation or the degree of mitigation. Finally he holds up the scales and asks them to determine whether the accused is innocent or guilty. The direction and amount by which the scales tip indicates the degree of punishment or reward which would be appropriate. Any angel of judgement can call upon St. Edward to appear as an expert witness in any case that is being tried by a triad. This usually happens when two members of a triad are decided upon a death sentence but the third feels strongly against. Being a dedicated defence lawyer, St. Edward usually tries to weight the scales by phrasing the charges very carefully (ie. 'We are not here to try this man for theft, although he has undoubtably fenced stolen goods.') and his scales have never yet indicated the death penalty. - --- Celestial Doorbells This relic is worked into some musical instrument, most usually a small bell of some description. When the chime is played, the player must succeed in a precision + artistry roll to activate the relic, and in some cases it must be a particular tune. If successful, a tether briefly opens to the creator's cathedral or principality, with a symphonic disturbance of the player's total forces minus the check digit. The chimes can each be used only once per day. Apparently Kobal has recently created a celestial doorbell in the form of an electric guitars, which activates when a user picks out the first chords of 'Stairway to Heaven.' (Well I thought that was funny. - ---------- "I like getting into hot water, it keeps me clean." G. K. Chesterton jhart@btinternet.com -- http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~jhart/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:40:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Eslin Subject: Re: IN> Jordi Alert On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Heretic103 wrote: > I must ask does anyone really play servitors of jordi? I personally haven't > seen or heard of many people, and not that I am saying that they are bad or > nothing I just haven't seen any of my players show much interest in him. And then there's Hitherby, Kyrio of Jordi in Maya's Fiat game. Singlehandedly (well, almost) responsible for providing experimental evidence that two Game demons cannot catch a single flea in a locked office using all the powers at their command, bug spray, *and* a Song of Thunder. Three cheers for the Sturdy Kyriotate Mind. :) - Eslin/Chephirah, Cherub of Destiny, Fiat Justitia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:07:29 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Newspapers? At 1:56 PM -0500 4/13/98, Uncle Wolf wrote: >Earl Wajenberg wrote: >> >> I second the vote for Litheroy. If the Angel of Newspapers is >> to be the consumate reporter, then there are several choices -- > >I disagree. In many cities, newspapers also serve as the means of public >notification of legal matters. These "papers of record", which can and >do serve as official records for the courts, would put themselves [and >their unofficial cousins] in the hands of very own AA of Archives, >ArchBeth. Of course, YMMV. Or, by extention, Destiny? It is, after all, *stuff written down*. - --Beth, Archangel of Archives http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/INChar/Angels/Arcangel.Beth.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:29:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Pee Kitty Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Newspapers? On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Bruce Dykes wrote: > I'm kinda stumped... > > If I wanted the Demon of Newspapers, that'd be easy, a Bal in service > to Nybbas, or any other band if I wanted to work a little harder, such > as a shedite whose job it would be to possess presses or wp systems to > screw up copy or somesuch... > > But an angel? An Elohite with sound editorial judgement, probably, > perhaps a Seraph, a reasonable case could be made for just about any > choir... > > But what about a superior? Jean or Litheroy? Maybe Laurence? Yves? > None of the canonical AAs seem to make a really good match. My > campaign has recast Jean as AA of Science, and added Julius, AA of > Civilization, which might do. Litheroy, from Feast of Blades? He's the Archangel of Revalation, which deals with uncovering the truth wherever it is. Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian Meow! And finally, a special message to \|/ ____ \|/ anyone who thinks I give a damn... ~@-/ oO \-@~ /_( \__/ )_\ \__U_/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:55:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Sheep Boy Subject: Re: IN> Jordi Alert On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, Heretic103 wrote: > In a message dated 98-04-13 03:36:39 EDT, you write: > > << Servitors of Jordi unite, strike down the corrupting humans. > >> > > I must ask does anyone really play servitors of jordi? I personally haven't > seen or heard of many people, and not that I am saying that they are bad or > nothing I just haven't seen any of my players show much interest in him. The players in my game went so far as to make fun of Jordi frequently during the pre-campaign discussions, so I had him defect from Heaven and join Gabriel when she went bonkers...uh, I mean organized her revolution. In any case, no one is really pleased about it, and they're considering defecting back to Heaven just so they don't have to work for him. - Stavro stavro@interport.net http://www.users.interport.net/~stavro/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Everybody talks about apathy, but nobody does anything about it. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:08:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Pee Kitty Subject: IN> Just a quick note... I suppose I should just stick the URL in my .sig, but I hate doing that. So I just wanted to mention on the list that I've just finished my own IN site, with all the useful stuff (IMO) that I've posted to the list, and quite a bit more. It's at http://www.concentric.net/~pkitty/nomine and will soon (the moment it's finished) feature the unofficial In Nomine INWO expansion! Rejoice in advance, everyone! :) Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian Meow! And finally, a special message to \|/ ____ \|/ anyone who thinks I give a damn... ~@-/ oO \-@~ /_( \__/ )_\ \__U_/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 02:15:24 PDT From: "David Streeter" Subject: IN> Fates and Destinies I don't know if this has been done before, but would it be worth having a list of Fates and Destinies for Servants of Jean and Kronos? A future variant might be noble/ignoble acts for the Malakite resonance. I've tried to make destinies unselfish and fates selfish. Mundane Destinies - ----------------- To marry X and have children To become a beloved teacher of (subject) To write a cookbook To be valedictorian of her class To earn lots of money and then leave it all to charity To sponsor a third world child Dramatic Destinies - ------------------ To save the world To save the whales To die saving the life of another To discover a cure for AIDS To ascend bodily to Heaven To destroy a demonic Tether To survive a great catastrophe Cryptic Destinies - ----------------- To stand on the corner of Nelson St and Pennant Hills Rd on 23/03/1999 at 12:05 pm To destroy another person's life work Never to see the snow To remember Mundane Fates - ------------- To become an alcoholic To die a meaningless death To become a character in a soap opera To never fall in love To accidentally kill someone by driving too fast To make a lot of money at other's expense Dramatic Fates - -------------- To become a famous rock star To become a corrupt political leader that is never caught To cause the extinction of a plant with rare medicinal properties To commit suicide while drunk To invent a weapon of mass destruction To expose the existence of Angels and Demons to the world To become a serial killer Cryptic Fates - ------------- To eat a sandwich from a famous restaurant To discover a cure for cancer Never to experience hardship ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #715 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.