From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri May 1 04:48:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA30921 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 04:48:53 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id EAA13038 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 1 May 1998 04:51:43 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 04:51:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199805010951.EAA13038@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #741 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, May 1 1998 Volume 01 : Number 741 In this digest: Re: IN> Re: IN- IN Mapboard Combat IN> Angels of Suicide IN> Abortion Angels IN> Numinous Corpus/Acid Re: IN> Angels of Suicide Re: IN> how many Words have Angels IN> Rubber chickens and Kobal Re: IN>abortion (formerly:The Demon of Gun Control) IN> Re: IN- Angels and Dicey Words IN> An interesting Shedim, IMHO IN> Re: IN- num.corp. question Re: IN> Casting IN Re: IN> Angels and Dicey Words Re: IN> Abortion in IN Re: IN> Angels and Dicey Words Re: IN> Playing IN for laughs... Re: IN>abortion (formerly:The Demon of Gun Control) Re: IN> Question about Motion (Celestial) Re: IN> Playing IN for laughs... Re: IN> Playing IN for laughs... Re: IN> Playing IN for laughs... Re: IN> Casting IN Re: IN> num.corp. question Re: Re: IN> Playing IN for laughs... Re: IN>Demon Prince Auditions IN> "fun" angels Re: IN> Re: IN- Angels and Dicey Words IN> In Nomine FTP site Re: IN> Playing IN for laughs... Re: IN> Angels and Dicey Words Re: IN> Identifying ensouled beings ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:59:15 -0500 From: Robb Kidd Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN- IN Mapboard Combat >>-David (who hasn't actually been to Dulles, but I probably would take a >>Geas if I could find really GOOD coffee in Korea...) > >Ah. Washington DC Airport is called Dulles Airport. I'll have to >remember that. Er. Not really. The airport in Washinton D.C. is called "National Airport". Dulles International Airport is in Virginia, a few tens of miles away. [ponders how relevant this addition is] So, if your ..er.. characters are flying sans Nominous Corpus, international flights plop you in west end of Prince William County. Plenty of backwood debauchery to discover there. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:32:32 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Angels of Suicide >>>Now there may well be angels who tend to sympathise with certain aspects of suicide (such as when the person in question is suffering a prolongued agonizing death and wishes to end it all) and that's to be expected. Yet this would *IMHO* be against the Law of Heaven, and likely to bring you to the attention of The Inquisition, if you were actively voicing your opinions.<<< Well, YHO is simply wrong, at least in canon. While an official "Angel of Suicide" (or "Angel of Death with Dignity") or the like may or may not ever appear, it's been made clear that there is dissent in Heaven over such topics, and there ARE angels with Words that other angels (and sometimes even Dominic), and certainly some people in real life, consider anathema. If in your campaign, Heaven has an absolute morality based on one religious perspective or another, that's fine, but it's not canon. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:32:41 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Abortion Angels >>>I liked both angels, but Shachim might also work as a sevitor of Eli, on lone to lawerence.<<< Or a Servitor of Christopher on loan to Laurence, for that matter. (And that would make him practically the antithesis of Druiel). - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:32:28 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Numinous Corpus/Acid Numinous Corpus/Acid is being errata'd to Power = level and Accuracy +0. Elizabeth, that's what we agreed upon, I believe, and it's what's in the current draft of the Songbook, so you might want to let Hunter know.... - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:56:15 -0400 From: Brandon Quina Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Suicide My basic viewpoint is that heaven and hell arnt divided on the issue of Good or Evil. Heaven sponsors some things that many would consider 'evil', and Hell sponsors some things that others would consider 'good'. Rather, the divide seems to be on the issue of selflessness and selfishness. Angels want to play along with, and be a part of, the symphony. Demons want to control and direct the symphony, and make it do their bidding. - -- (lore@tmgbbs.com) \|/// Zzzzzzzzzzzz Brandon Lance Quina (- -) ICQ Number: 6809944 ---ooO(_)Ooo--- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:31:17 +0500 From: daiv@cruzio.com (David M. Barr) Subject: Re: IN> how many Words have Angels >When the player of a Shedite of Kobal mentions that he might aspire to be >the Demon of Slapstick, for example, my first thought is, "Nah, there's >already one." But is there? Not necessarily...either one was never >assigned, or the old holder died, or said demon exists. You've got to >carefully think about which of the three options is most likely, and go >from there. > > >Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian well, as much as I agree with the right rev, I would humbly submit that the criterion for deciding wether or not a particular word is taken is wether or not having that word taken (and by whom Etc.) is how that word serves your campaign, and wether or no you want it to be taken. Logic does not have to dictate if you don't want it to. - -Daiv (Offanite of Janus...oh,yeah, I'M stable) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:30:42 PDT From: "Chris Crowe" Subject: IN> Rubber chickens and Kobal >>>Am I the only one who enjoys it when th servitors of Kobal show up? <<< NO!!!! When Servitors of Kobal showed up in a preliminary game IMC, the Malakim of Creation in the group used two rubber chickens to beat the crap out of them. That was so funny that Kobal himself actually showed up and offered to grant the Malak a new rite. The Malakim refused and should earn his new vessel any time now. boy was THAT was funny. Krowe Malakim of Destiny, Angel of Redemption Lord of XAOZ "What good fortune for those in power, that people do not think." -- Adolf Hitler, 1889-1945 "Love is a dirty trick played upon us to achieve the continuation of the species." -- novelist W.Somerset Maugham, 1874-1965 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:31:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Titus 3 11 Subject: Re: IN>abortion (formerly:The Demon of Gun Control) Julian - This is an adult game, and I have no trouble with "sensitive" topics. What was inappropriate about your post (as always, IMO) was that it put forward pro-life views as the Word of Heaven. Whether such views are correct or not, I think that the posting's style and content were inappropriate. The debates that have sprung from it have been quite interesting though. Enosh Malakite of Creation In service to Valef....ummmm....Janus On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Julian Breen wrote: > **NIGHT MUSIC SPOILERS** > > > > > > > Titus 3 11 writes > >Julian - although I enjoyed reading your arguements, do you really think > >its an appropriate post on this list? How about > >"I think abortion is wrong, period" or something equally succint? > >No offense to your views, but I don't think the post was appropriate. > > Well, admittedly, its a hot topic, but that shouldn't stop us from > discussing it upon the lists if done in a way that does not offend > anyone. Whether or not I view abortion as right or wrong *in real life* > is not what's at question; what IS at question is how does Heaven > justify certain stands on difficult topics? > > > > As an example, I could cite suicide. Also a delicate topic, yet one > which *has* been discussed, _and in canon_. In NM, there is a Baroness > of Suicide, Tania. There is to date however, no Angelic Patron with the > same Word. Should there be, or is suicide something that Heaven, en > masse, sees as being 'wrong'? Now there may well be angels who tend to > sympathise with certain aspects of suicide (such as when the person in > question is suffering a prolongued agonizing death and wishes to end it > all) and that's to be expected. Yet this would *IMHO* be against the Law > of Heaven, and likely to bring you to the attention of The Inquisition, > if you were actively voicing your opinions. > > > > -- > Julian > jules@bigjules.demon.co.uk > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:39:17 PDT From: "David Streeter" Subject: IN> Re: IN- Angels and Dicey Words >The problem with Novalis (from Michael's perspective) is neither that she is Of course, all of us know that Novalis' REAL problem is that bloody awful picture of her in the main rulebook :-) SurturZ Habbalite of Factions, Angel of Constructive Criticism ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:00:34 PDT From: "David Streeter" Subject: IN> An interesting Shedim, IMHO I wrote up most of the characters for my first demonic game, and one character which I REALLY liked was Markela, a Shedim of The Media. The Servant that Nybbas gave her is Jon Smith, an aspiring Shakespearean stage actor who sold his soul to Hell in exchange for a successful acting career. Markela has used him as a host often, first corrupting him to take the more "Snazzy" stage name of "Jon Silver", then auditioning for a part in a TV soap opera, doing a nude scene etc, all little things that compromise his artistic integrity. Now Jon has a moderately successful career as the soft-porn star "Long" Jon Silver. When she uses other humans as hosts, she degrades them in a similar way - - making them ring talk-back radio shows, or appearing on TV game shows where she forces her victims to do embarrassing things for money. I quite like the character because her corruptions are in tune with her master's word, and not usually "evil" as such. SurturZ Dissonant Elohite of Stone ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:05:27 PDT From: "David Streeter" Subject: IN> Re: IN- num.corp. question >Being a new, overly-enthused IN player/GM, I have been reading and >pondering to what could be considered an obsessive level. This has lead >me to the belief that follows: >Acid is, from a rule-mongering perspective, the best combat song, with >accuracy and power equal to its level (compare to claws - power equal to >level, accuracy +1/+0). >Would one of the few, but powerful and skilled, demons of nitpicking or >angels of the archives set me straight? >Much as it humilates me to say "I spit acid at the drug dealers head," the >stupid song is pretty powerful. >Thanks all, >Enosh >Malakim of Creation >In service to Christopher I agree. Can we have a CANONICAL change to this Numinous corpus to make it comparable to the other Numinous corpi? SurturZ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:10:10 -0400 From: Frank Lazar Subject: Re: IN> Casting IN ><<> Vapula: Whoever it was who played Dr. Strangelove > >The late, great Peter Sellers.>> > >Hmmm, actually, Peter Sellers could play ALL the characters (ref. The Mouse >That Roared, Dr Strangelove, the Fiendish Plot of Dr Fu Manchu, all of which >starred him in multiple roles). Except Lilith, of course. > Right. That part we'll reserve for Dustin Hoffman. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ | | We are dreamers, shapers, singers and makers. /_\ | | We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, // \\ | | Crystal and scanner, holographic demons, \\ //___\\ | | And invocations of equations. \\ // \\ | | \\__// \\ | | These are the tools we employ. And we know... many things. \\ | | \\ | | | Frank Lazar http://www.interactive.net/~fmlazar | \\ | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:04:58 -0400 From: Frank Lazar Subject: Re: IN> Angels and Dicey Words At 11:45 PM -0400 04/29/1998, Pee Kitty wrote: >On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Frank Lazar wrote: > >> Michael on the other hand walks a fine line. Unlike Baal whose Word is >> specifically, The War, Micheal's is more encompassing. And there lies his >> danger. If Micheal promotes his Word in areas that don't serve the >> relatively narrow bounds of defeating the Rebellion, he serves Lucifer's >> cause, not Heaven's. This would be the justification for his trial by >> Domminic, in which he was not acquitted on his own merits but by fiat from >> the Upper Front Office. > >I couldn't disagree more. > >You're saying that if Michael supports a war that isn't celestially >related, that he's serving Lucifer. IMHO, there are many times when war is >definitely for good...when one country is oppressing another, ruining the >lives of the citizens...or even when one class of a country is oppressing >another. When words fail, and peace fails, what do you do? You either >accept it and let them grind you down, or you fight back. Michael is an >angel, and no doubt favors the good guy in such a conflict, and tries to >keep all sides playing fair, to prevent each war from becoming more bloody >and needlesly deadly or one-sided than it need be. > A nice thought perhaps, but it's almost impossible to name a war that was explicitly fought for the "right" reasons? While there are many high-minded slogans that are used to justify them, most wars are essentially started for what would be in In Nomine's definition "selfish" reasons. The Crusades were led in the main by younger sons of nobles, looking for lands to claim, The American colonists resented the taxes used to pay the expenses caused by the French and Indian wars. (of course like any empire, the Crown was seeking to profit, but Canada and others worked its way out of colonial indenture in the fullness of time.) Virtually everyone involved in the first "Great War" was looking for something to gain in terms of territory or other "selfish" aims. As for the Second World War, the true Nazi atrocities were not general public knowledge and in any case, prior to the war, the U.S. and many of the future Allies had a habit of deporting those who were trying to escape the Nazi madness. It becomes extremely hard to justify any of the Wars that follow as essentially selfless actions. In particular MacArthur's actions in Korea would remind me very much of Micheal. in the same kind of expression of Pride that leads to spectacular falls. and the famous personal war between the General and the President makes an excellent read. The "arrest" of Noriega led to the deaths of hundreds if not thousands of civillians who committed the major crime of living in the tenements surrounding the dictator's palace. An arrest that seems was more aimed at building the stature of an Administration, then the righting of great wrongs. In that the actions that lead up to War, the motivations that surround it, and it's prosecution weigh considerably more on the "selfish" end of the balance, it still leads to me that War is a Word with far more demonic than angelic potential. And while Micheal may not be charring his Servitors during impromptu visitations, some of his actions lead me to suspect that he may be almost as far off his crackers as Gabriel herself. In counter argument, Novalis has her worthy points. Unlike real life, we have Word-bound Celestials whose actions and influence directly impact on Earth's Destiny. A touch more Flowers and a lot less War would have made quite a difference. Now, I'm not saying that Heaven can dispense with War, but Micheals Word, like many of the Archangels who have direct opposites on the Other Side (the Judgement/Game pair comes to mind), walks a finer line than his Demonic counterWord. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ | | We are dreamers, shapers, singers and makers. /_\ | | We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, // \\ | | Crystal and scanner, holographic demons, \\ //___\\ | | And invocations of equations. \\ // \\ | | \\__// \\ | | These are the tools we employ. And we know... many things. \\ | | \\ | | | Frank Lazar http://www.interactive.net/~fmlazar | \\ | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:57:44 +0900 From: Simon Hailes Subject: Re: IN> Abortion in IN We seem to all be forgetting that A) heaven is liberalized and B) Angels, especially Malakim, are not adverse to murder. Now it does seem hard to justify the murder of a foetus on charges of corruption, but what about servitors of Yves, what if having a baby at seaid stage of life will draw said person to their fate, the tv talk shows and soapies are filled with broken women who gave birth at a young age, then had they're lifestyles changed, until they spiralled away in to mediocrity, and what about post-natal depression, a servitor of yves may believe it better for a mother to abort a foetus now, then kill it and herself later in the grips of this affliction. Oh yeah, Jordi would not be fussed with it, anything that stops the human race growing is a-okay to him. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 23:01:27 +0900 From: Simon Hailes Subject: Re: IN> Angels and Dicey Words At 11:19 PM 29/04/98 -0400, you wrote: >>Jesse replied: >> >>>>Who said there wasn't an Angel as well? The demon used the Amendment to >>>>provoke masses of bloodshed, the angel uses it to keep government aggression >>>>in check. >>> >>>It hardly seems logical to me that any angel would support the existance >>>of guns. >> >>Interesting. So how do you view Words such as Swords, and War? >> >> > > It's made quite clear in Laurence's description that his Word as >Archangel was the Sword, in this case symbolising the weapon that he is >charged in forging the Host (and certain mortals) to become in combating >Lucifer's forces. > > Michael on the other hand walks a fine line. Unlike Baal whose Word is >specifically, The War, Micheal's is more encompassing. And there lies his >danger. If Micheal promotes his Word in areas that don't serve the >relatively narrow bounds of defeating the Rebellion, he serves Lucifer's >cause, not Heaven's. This would be the justification for his trial by >Domminic, in which he was not acquitted on his own merits but by fiat from >the Upper Front Office. > > And there are some words which are real landmines for Angels to serve. >Teenage Death is an example which comes to mind. > > >- >others that come to mine are the demon of Love, the angel of Rape, the angel torture, andf the demon of Mercy. You could go on and on, but suffice to say, that is why in the APG it is said that some angels are created to specifically represent words. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 21:53:14 -0700 From: Drake Subject: Re: IN> Playing IN for laughs... >Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:03:19 -0700 (PDT) >From: "Matt 'Badger' Rossi III" >Subject: IN> Playing IN for laughs... >It just occurred to me, as I was reading through the discussion on >the nature o Words and Abortion that y'all breathe some >rareified air around here. It made me wonder what your games >are like: Do you all use In Nomine to explore the nature of fredom, >salvation and damnation, or individual responsibility? I don't, or at least haven't done much in the past, thought I would like to explore this side of In Nomine more.. To get more of a Supernatural Dark feel sort of thing goin. >Cause I spend a lot of time stealing polar bears from zoos. I steal pregnent white tigers myself :) >So far, in the game I'm in (we rotate GM's) We do this too in my game (which is on IRC btw). There are 3 of us, and we each take turns with an adventure. >my character has >stolen a polar bear from the San Antonio zoo, thanks to Derek, >the Archangel of Good Ideas... Myself, I had to steal (well am currently in the process of stealing) a tiger from a zoo in NYC cause Jordi told me too... >From there I GM'd as the group (Which consists >of a Kyriotate of Animals, a Bright Lilim in service to Yves and >an Ofanim of Flowers in addition to my Malakim of Fire... Ours is a Child of the Grigori (which we based created to be similar to the immortals on Highlander), a Bright Lilim of Jean, a Reliever/Familiar of Jean (NPC), a Malakite of Gabriel (also an NPC), and me, a Malakite of Michael, in service to Laurence >Badger Amon-Nahashel "Drake", Malakite of War in service to the Sword ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 03:22:17 +0100 From: Julian Breen Subject: Re: IN>abortion (formerly:The Demon of Gun Control) Steve Jessop writes >On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Julian Breen wrote: > >> As an example, I could cite suicide ... There is to date no Angelic >> Patron ... Should there be, or is suicide something that Heaven, en >> masse, sees as being 'wrong'? > >The rightness or otherwise of suicide is *very* much a cultural thing. True. In India for example you had the rite of suttee (where the bereaved widow would throw herself upon her husband's funeral pyre) and in Japan you had Seppuku (or Hara-kiri) to name but two. But suicide is denounced by Judaism and Christianity, and I *think* Islam as well. These being the three major religions of the game, the ones that are somewhat 'in the know', I tend to go by what's acceptable to them. There are many cultures, with acceptable practices to themselves, that would get jumped up and down upon by Heaven. As I see it. >Even within a strongly Christian culture, no-one saw Romeo and Juliet when >Shakespeare first wrote it, and thought 'That sucks! They're both going >straight to Hell!'. Can't comment on this. I wasn't there :) > >I try to have room in Heaven for as many viewpoints as possible, because > >a) That's what the books say >b) I don't want to work out the 'party line' on every little thing. >c) It's more fun >d) It leaves moral ambiguity for individual angels. > >> the Law of Heaven, and likely to bring you to the attention of The >> Inquisition, if you were actively voicing your opinions. > >Dominic has his point of view, but your Superior can go a long way towards >protecting you, through pressure politics if nothing else. > >I tend to hit Seraphim who resonate 'That's the Wong Thing to Do. God >wouldn't like it.' Dominic included. > And Dominic would stagger from your blow as if mortally struck. The six pairs of eyes would then narrow within the cowl, and you might, just *might* get the impression that he were smiling; "I shall of course be adding assault to your long line of charges..." - -- Julian jules@bigjules.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:29:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Graveyard Greg Subject: Re: IN> Question about Motion (Celestial) >> C) Can you teleport something into someone?> >IANANR, but no, I don't believe you can. That's WAY too deadly. Is it? What if the teleported object intergrated itself into theperson's body? Say if the television set in the Balseraph didn't affect the vessal much but may be still operational. - -Jesse Gives new meaning to the term "portable TV" Graveyard Greg _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 19:41:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Graveyard Greg Subject: Re: IN> Playing IN for laughs... - ---Matt 'Badger' Rossi III wrote: > > Since this discussion seems to be taking off, I'd like to try and get > some of these more amusing figures some exposure. For instance, I'd love to get > a look at the Demon of Big F**king Guns, and I'm sure at least one other > person would get a kick out of the Blatant Stranger. So I'd like > to request that everybody who has one of these In Nomine Figures of fun > either email them straight to me or send them to the list, so that I can > steal your ideas for my game...I mean, use them to inspire me. > > Yeah, that's it, inspire me. > > Badger > The Horse Shouter...because they just won't f##king listen. > Hmmm...the Demon of Masked Vigilanties.... Demon of CCGs The Demon of Listservs.... And finally.. The demon of Graveyard Gregs _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:54:20 -0400 From: Frank Lazar Subject: Re: IN> Playing IN for laughs... At 07:41 PM -0700 04/30/1998, Graveyard Greg wrote: >The Demon of Listservs.... > Wouldn't that be the "Daemon" of Listserves? :) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ | | We are dreamers, shapers, singers and makers. /_\ | | We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, // \\ | | Crystal and scanner, holographic demons, \\ //___\\ | | And invocations of equations. \\ // \\ | | \\__// \\ | | These are the tools we employ. And we know... many things. \\ | | \\ | | | Frank Lazar http://www.interactive.net/~fmlazar | \\ | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 22:04:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Dataweaver Subject: Re: IN> Playing IN for laughs... On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Graveyard Greg wrote: > > > > > > ---Matt 'Badger' Rossi III wrote: > > > > Since this discussion seems to be taking off, I'd like to try and get > > some of these more amusing figures some exposure. - -snip- > > So I'd like to request that everybody who has one of these In Nomine > > Figures of fun either email them straight to me or send them to the > > list, so that I can steal your ideas for my game...I mean, use them to > > inspire me. > > > > Yeah, that's it, inspire me. > > Hmmm...the Demon of Masked Vigilanties.... > Demon of CCGs > The Demon of Listservs.... Maxwell's Demon... (sorry; just finished a Chemistry final). Actually, that could be quite fun; the Demon of Bad Luck. A Balseraph of Kronos, no doubt; or perhaps Kobal? OTOH, does anyone have any suggestions for the Other Side? Thus far, all of the suggestions have been demons... - ---- Jonathan Lang ---- x ------- alias: Dataweaver --------- Webpage: http://www.io.com/~traveler /@\ The Dogma of Otherness insists GURPSnet's Benevolent Tyrant for Life ~~~ that all voices deserve a hearing, FAQ: http://www.io.com/~ftp/GURPSnet/www | that all points of view have Archive: http://www.io.com/~ftp/GURPSnet | something of value to offer. submit new files to gurpsnet-files@io.com | --David Brin, "Otherness" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:25:15 +0100 From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN> Casting IN On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 01:01:12PM -0400, Jesse wrote: > >Hmmm, actually, Peter Sellers could play ALL the characters (ref. The Mouse > >That Roared, Dr Strangelove, the Fiendish Plot of Dr Fu Manchu, all of which > >starred him in multiple roles). Except Lilith, of course. > > Why not Lilith? > Indeed. Is this gender stereotyping I see here? And if so, why does he get to play Beleth? Kevin Walsh, Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. - -- "He was wont moreover to complain openly of the condition of the times wherein he lived, as not being renowned by any public calamities...And, at times, he wished for some terrible carnage of his armies, a famine, a pestilence, conflagrations, or an earthquake." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 14:53:05 +0100 From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN> num.corp. question On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 01:02:29PM +0100, Sam Kington wrote: > Well, the Numinous Corpus songs *are* unbalanced to some extent. Just a > thought - unlike claws, wings, hooves etc. which you turn on for the > duration of the song (and can turn off and on at will), acid is very > much a one-shot thing. You could argue that once you've spat acid at > someone, the song ends - although this is probably making it too weak. Or you could argue that singing NC: Acid causes you to grow poison glands in the inside of your mouth, which is how I interpret it. Kevin Walsh, Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. - -- "He was wont moreover to complain openly of the condition of the times wherein he lived, as not being renowned by any public calamities...And, at times, he wished for some terrible carnage of his armies, a famine, a pestilence, conflagrations, or an earthquake." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 01:07:00 EDT From: MarkDEddy Subject: Re: Re: IN> Playing IN for laughs... In a message dated 4/30/98 8:13:47 PM, you wrote: >Maxwell's Demon... (sorry; just finished a Chemistry final). > >Actually, that could be quite fun; the Demon of Bad Luck. A Balseraph of >Kronos, no doubt; or perhaps Kobal? > >OTOH, does anyone have any suggestions for the Other Side? Thus far, all >of the suggestions have been demons... The Angel of Unpaired Socks (Mercurian of Yves) The Angel of "That's Gotta hurt!" (Malakite of Michael) The Angel of Elevator Music (Elohite of Novalis) Mark (The Angel of Christian Mystics, a Cherub of David?!!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 03:14:16 +0900 From: Simon Hailes Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Auditions I seem to have only a few submissions so far, and oh, there will be no men cast as women or vice versa, just because Priscilla Queen of the Desert was Australian doesn't mean we all dress in drag down here! well not often anyway but I'm sure there are a lot more people out there who had a certain actor or public fifgure in mind when they pcitured a Demon Prince, and how about mighty Princess Beth (played by Elizabeth McCoy of course :)) does she have any preferences for the roles of Andrealphus, Asmodeus and Beleth (I left out Baal I'm aware, but three at a time I think). Pee Kity, Mr Edelstein, Jo, Jesse what about you guys? Simon, awaiting more actors in his office ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 01:16:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Titus 3 11 Subject: IN> "fun" angels (scene - the interior of factory, old and empty. It is late at night [funnily though, we can still see everything going on]) "You can't do that!" (fumed the first Man in Very Dark Clothes). "This is an operation of Micheal, and I don't know what your superioooooH!!" Dropping beside the first MiVDC, the second figure pointed out that if Alex (our first MiVDC) had been paying attention to where he walked and not yelling at Peter (our second), then he pArobably wouldn't have slipped on the banana peel. "If you weren't eating bananas in the middle of this COVERT OPERATION then it wouldn't be an...ohhh." As the Alex slips back to the floor in shock ( there is a bullet buried in his helmet [but just in his helmet - the welt on his head is nasty though, believe -you me], it's excusable), Peter counsels his poor angry malakim friend. "It's okay Alex - all of us have one of these awful days...Let me get that bullet out of your helmet for you..." Heads whip around, following the bullet as it flies from Alex's helmet, richocets of the nearby pipe, bounces off the steel floor, careens off of the enemies gun (disarming him), and comes to rest in Peter's outstretched hand. Close up on the sheepishly grinning bad guys. Wide shot of the bad guys bolting as Alex gets up from the floor (clutching his head with both hands). - --------------------------------------------------------------------- (I'll be the first to admit I don't know the notation for writing scenes. Sorry.) Peter - the angel of slapstick rites - gain one essence by making someone who is overserious look amusing (think Tom and Jerry - that cat was just too darned uptight) WITHOUT seriously hurting them (welts are okay). special attunements - OUCH! OUCH! lets the user focus a groups attention on some object or person, and then create a (crudely) humours event occur around that object or person. The object or person will only notice what is upcoming with a Percp roll at -5. This can be a very far-reaching effect, but will always cost the user one essence. Note - the preceding rite and attunement are essentially a loop - the rite gets powered by the attunement which gets powered by the rite. This is wholly appropriate, and is (in fact) an effect of the attunement. Any person who reacted to the rite and attunement with a "That's insipid!" (or something similiar) just earned Peter a point of essence...Thats what you get for reading the rules! _____________________________________________________________ Just my take on the whole celestial of slapstick issue... Enosh Malakim of Creation In service to Trade Card-carrying MiVDC, Founder of the KANCIP (Keep the Acid Numinous Corpus Insanly Powerful) Coalition. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:24:17 -0800 From: Armand Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN- Angels and Dicey Words >>The problem with Novalis (from Michael's perspective) is neither that >she is > >Of course, all of us know that Novalis' REAL problem is that bloody >awful picture of her in the main rulebook :-) > >SurturZ >Habbalite of Factions, Angel of Constructive Criticism In my campaign, I use pictures of Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy. Just imagine all the angels lined up to serve Flowers! Armand Ofanim of getting better hunny with which to catch the fly ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 00:30:49 PDT From: "David Streeter" Subject: IN> In Nomine FTP site The In Nomine FTP site seems to only have the digests in it, unlike the INWO FTP site which has much artwork. Would there be a chance of getting those B&W image files of the In Nomine art (from the "Dan Smith Auction" days) into the site? I have kept only a few of them (if I'd known they were to be all deleted once the item was sold, I would have kept them all :-( ) - I think only the GM screen panels and a picture of a cherub. Of course, I could always scan my original of the Archangel David (which looks MUCH better in B&W than colour, BTW) SurturZ Dissonant Elohite of Stone ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 10:02:13 +0100 From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN> Playing IN for laughs... So I'd like > to request that everybody who has one of these In Nomine Figures of fun > either email them straight to me or send them to the list, so that I can > steal your ideas for my game...I mean, use them to inspire me. > > Yeah, that's it, inspire me. > I came up with this idea yesterday morning, and it's somewhat undeveloped. The Demon of Bad Standup (Punisher of Dark Humour). (Not Truly Bad Standup, which can sometimes be amusing in an embarrassing way, but Bad as in entirely unfunny.) Basically, said Demon organises Bad Standup, or does it itself. This is ironic in a number of ways. Firstly, people are paying money to be entertained, and getting blatantly ripped off. This is only somewhat amusing, but it's a start. Secondly, because people have paid money to be entertained, they are unwilling to leave! They have paid to be entertained, and have had misery inflicted on them, and because they have paid money for the privilege, they insist on having further misery inflicted on them. And best of all, it's a choice. No one is forced to stay for even one minute into its routine, and if they do, then they're only Punishing themselves, and they deserve it. It should be noted that the Demon of Bad Standup is not unfunny all the time, but only when on-stage. At other times said Demon can be very witty, so long as what it says doesn't resemble any of its routines in any way. Attunements: Demon of Bad Standup: When on stage, nothing that comes out of its mouth will be in the least bit amusing, no matter how funny the material would be in the hands of another comic. Also, the audiences at its shows tend to stay right until the very end, in the vain hope that it'll say something amusing. There is no Will roll required to leave, but it's rare. Rites: Spend an hour on stage in front of a crowd being completely unfunny. +1 Essence; +2 Essence if no-one laughs at all about anything (even something completely unrelated to the routine) during the routine; +1 Essence if asked for an autograph later; +5 Essence if no one in the audience leaves during the routine. Kevin Walsh, Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. - -- "He was wont moreover to complain openly of the condition of the times wherein he lived, as not being renowned by any public calamities...And, at times, he wished for some terrible carnage of his armies, a famine, a pestilence, conflagrations, or an earthquake." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 10:22:55 +0100 From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN> Angels and Dicey Words On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 11:01:27PM +0900, Simon Hailes wrote: > >- >others that come to mine are the demon of Love, There are specific problems with the Demon of Love, such as Andrealphus' enmity, but if I were to posit a Superior, I'd go for Kronos, Kobal or possibly Malphas (he'd have an inherent dislike of the idea, but is certainly devious enough to think of amusing ways in which to cause trouble with it). the angel of Rape, the > angel torture, I presume you're talking about an angel who actually promotes Rape. I don't see how it can possibly be justified. Even David, who is by far the scariest of the Archangels, would be unlikely to support the idea. Torture is dodgy, but potentially justifiable. Only potentially, of course. >andf the demon of Mercy. That is by far the most plausible of the examples you were giving, and could be interpreted in a _lot_ of different ways. (Factions, Fate, Dark Humour, Death, and that's just off the top of my head.) Kevin Walsh, Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. - -- "He was wont moreover to complain openly of the condition of the times wherein he lived, as not being renowned by any public calamities...And, at times, he wished for some terrible carnage of his armies, a famine, a pestilence, conflagrations, or an earthquake." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 10:38:38 +0100 From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN> Identifying ensouled beings On Thu, Apr 30, 1998 at 01:58:00PM -0400, Neel Krishnaswami wrote: > >How? Possibly Servitors of Fate and Destiny can do Divine Destiny or Fated > >Future (and maybe the potential Fate/Destiny is there before the soul), > >but the average Celestial can't know just by looking, though they can > >attempt their resonances. > > But there's still a way to tell: use the Song of Dreams. Every > human, whether waking or sleeping has a dreamscape in the > Marches. Whether they have one waking is irrelevant since to the best of anyone's knowledge only Blandine and Beleth can access waking dreamscapes. Now if you want to approach one of them and ask them if they could check out a certain foetus to see if it has a dreamscape and therefore a soul, you can be my guest. There don't seem to be any comments about the dreamscape > going away for zero-ethereal-force humans, either, so it is > probably safe to say that if the dreamscape for that person > doesn't exist, then they aren't human. > And how do you know that the foetus is asleep? How do you make the contact necessary to find the dreamscape? And if you can't find the dreamscape, it proves _nothing_ except that you haven't found it. It is arguable that the soul can exist but that the brain isn't physically developed enough to allow REM sleep. It can be proved that a particular foetus has a soul, but not that that foetus doesn't have one. And of course, it's possible that if a foetus doesn't have a soul, it's because it's a Remnant, and it is possible to soul kill a human in his/her dreams. > Shedim clearly have the easiest time of telling if a fetus has > crossed the line from bundle-of-cells to human being, though I > can't imagine how you would corrupt someone in the womb... > > [*] They can still take over a laptop, but now the victim has some way > to tell. I would rule that a celestial can tell with a Per roll if an > inanimate object is possessed, I say no. I think that the only thing required to avoid detection of the soul is a physical form, any physical form. Kevin Walsh, Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. - -- "He was wont moreover to complain openly of the condition of the times wherein he lived, as not being renowned by any public calamities...And, at times, he wished for some terrible carnage of his armies, a famine, a pestilence, conflagrations, or an earthquake." ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #741 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.