From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue May 5 21:23:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA07894 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 21:23:47 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id VAA17471 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 5 May 1998 21:22:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 21:22:47 -0500 Message-Id: <199805060222.VAA17471@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #756 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, May 5 1998 Volume 01 : Number 756 In this digest: Re: Grand'ma is toast (was Re: IN> Uriel's next assignment) Re: IN> Dissonant Shedim IN> What are Forces? Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition Re:IN> New SWM GM seeks advice Re: IN> Question about Motion (Celestial) IN> Claudia Christian as Michael? Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition Re: IN> IN: Rasta Angel Re: IN> how many Words have Angels Re: IN> Rasta Angel Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition Re: IN> Rasta Angel Re: IN> Various Re: IN> IN: Resonance/Wheel of Time parallell Re: IN> Angels of Suicide Re: IN> how many Words have Angels Re: IN> Question about Motion (Celestial) Re: IN> Shedim and dead hosts Re: IN> Lying (was Re: IN> Seraphim and the TRUTH. (help!) Re: IN> Abortion in IN Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition IN> Two NPCS for your perusal Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition Re: IN> Baal and Michael Re: IN> Shedim and dead hosts Re: IN> Re: IN- Re: IN- Re: IN- IN Mapboard Combat Re: IN> Baal and Michael Re: IN> Baal and Michael Re: IN>Demon Prince Auditions Re: IN> Jordi's big move IN> djinn and healing IN> Re: IN- What are Forces? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 12:25:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Graveyard Greg Subject: Re: Grand'ma is toast (was Re: IN> Uriel's next assignment) - ---Jesse wrote: > > >All hail the Allfather > > Odin? Why would we hail Odin? > > -Jesse > Not the Asgarddian Allfather! The Allfather of the Grail! You see, it all started with...oh, never mind! You wouldn't believe me! ;) Graveyard Greg _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:12:15 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Dissonant Shedim At 10:43 AM -0400 5/5/98, Stacy Stroud wrote: >>So basically...if they get dissonance by a host dying, any normal Shedite >>will end up kicked out of the Corporeal Plane and looking at his heart, in >>trauma, after 10xCF minutes? >> >>Weird. Why even bother with the wait then? [...] >>Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian > >During the 30-40 minutes that the Shedite is wafting about in celestial >form, it is in danger of celestial attack. It can also use the Song of Possession, if it has it, to stave off going home at all! (If it can keep Song of Possession-ing people, *not* using its resonance, until its resonance is back online...) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 98 15:25 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: IN> What are Forces? [Earl:] >This reminds me of something I've wondered from time to time. >Are angels and disembodied souls very *simple*? The IN book >says that everything is an interplay of Forces, so one assumes >a Force is a more general category of which things like quarks >and electrons are special varieties. But a human body, or any >macroscopic physical object, has countless numbers of these >particles in it. Is a single Force on a par with a single >quark -- though, one assumes, at a very much higher level of >energy, in the case of the Forces in a soul or celestial? I've been assuming that Forces are complex things. The fundamental particles in human physics and the like may simply be manifestations of the interplay of Forces -- i.e., you can't just map 1 electron = 1 Force. A Force might be something more like a mathematical formula -- it could represent something very simple, or very complex. Fractals are your friends.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 15:26:10 -0400 From: Jesse Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition >> > (re: Ivanova) >> > >Her skills as a Demon Prince would be exceptional... >> > >> > Her skills at acting however, leave something to be desired ;) >> >> You're walking on thin ice, Jo... > >Shouldn't you specify that it's metaphorical thin ice? Of course, Michael >does go around calling Dominic a hyena. Hasn't this Nit-picking thing gone far enough? - -Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 12:34:52 PDT From: "Chris Crowe" Subject: Re:IN> New SWM GM seeks advice well, you've made the best move an IN GM can make. you joined the list. my game has just gotten off the ground and too any good ideas come from the list to count. my players think i'm a creative genius and i just smile because if they knew this list exsisted they'd ruin the best resource for IN i've found. check out the In Nomine Collection too. Em's been fixin it up lately, it's got enought to keep you buisy for quite a while. Krowe Malakim of Destiny, Angel of Redemption Lord of XAOZ "What good fortune for those in power, that people do not think." -- Adolf Hitler, 1889-1945 "Love is a dirty trick played upon us to achieve the continuation of the species." -- novelist W.Somerset Maugham, 1874-1965 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 15:31:43 -0400 From: Jesse Subject: Re: IN> Question about Motion (Celestial) >>C) Can you teleport something into someone? > >I'd say no, ordinarily. *Over* them, yes. And it would probably make a >good Intervention result. I was looking through my Mage book the other day and saw what might be a good idea for objects teleported into each other: "No damage occurs to objects that superimpose themselves onto one another during co-location, yet they are solid to one another and, once separated, will not superimpose again." (Mage 2nd Edition, pg 191) Makes sense, no? Besides, that TV will still work, at least until it lands on the Balseraph's foot. (ouch!) - -Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:41:42 -0400 From: Stacy Stroud Subject: IN> Claudia Christian as Michael? Quoth Casca: >I'm not saying she couldn't do the job, I'm saying she shouldn't be a DP. >Ivanova as Michael, on the other hand.... "Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova, Commander, Earthforce; daughter of Andrei and Sophie Ivanov. I am the right hand of Vengeance, and the boot that is going to kick your sorry butt all the way back to Earth, sweetheart. I am Death Incarnate, and the last living thing you will ever see. *God* sent me." Yup, I can see it.... Stacy Stroud sstroud@uky.campus.mci.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 20:47:49 +0100 From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 03:26:10PM -0400, Jesse wrote: > >Shouldn't you specify that it's metaphorical thin ice? Of course, Michael > >does go around calling Dominic a hyena. > > Hasn't this Nit-picking thing gone far enough? > No. I want a Knighthood. (It occurs to me that this isn't a very productive way of getting a Knighthood, as it might inspire Beth to withhold from ever awarding me one. And that's why DPs don't hand out all their rites to their Servitors at once.) Kevin Walsh, Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. - -- "In the period of dictatorship, surrounded on all sides by enemies, we sometimes manifested unnecessary leniency and unnecessary softheartedness." N.V. Krylenko. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:46:15 EDT From: MarkDEddy Subject: Re: IN> IN: Rasta Angel In a message dated 5/5/98 7:37:42 AM, jrooney@moose.uvm.edu writes: >Any ideas from the list as to who the angel of Rastafarians serves? >I am thinking Wind because of the revolutionary message of Rastas. > >-Jesse Actually, the patron of Rastafarianism is (IMC) Eli. One of his Mercurians, would be my guess. (Possibly in service to wind...) Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 98 15:51 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> how many Words have Angels [Rob Knop:] >The tangential issue this raises, though, is the "filling factor" for >angels and words. Specifically, what fraction of Words have Angels >assigned to them? Or, perhaps to avoid discussions over whether there >is an "Angel of The", what fraction of words for which the host might >conceivably be willing to see an Angel bound to that word as useful >actually do have Angels assigned to them? I think that in canon, the fraction is pretty small, though most of the *important* Words are taken. (Note though, that when a Word's holder is dead -- or whatever -- it may not be reassigned for a while. This is the case for several defunct Superiors.) My basic reasoning on this is that there are probably not enough angels (or demons) at the appropriate power level for Word-binding to cover all the possible words. Also, canon is going to be somewhat vague on the number of celestials, and this issue is related to that one. >I suspect that it's one of those things that will simply vary from >campaign to campaign, left up to each GM, rather than part of canon. Probably right. Generally, whether a particular Word is taken will be something the GM will want to decide, for campaign reasons. >My personal take is that most of the basic, significant words probably >do have angels, and are frequnently represented by archangels. OTOH, >it's very spotty which other words have angels bound to them. This is roughly how I feel about it. Lesser Words will generally be filled when there's a celestial who feels strongly about the concept. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 16:00:27 -0400 From: Jesse Subject: Re: IN> Rasta Angel >Actually, the patron of Rastafarianism is (IMC) Eli. One of his Mercurians, >would be my guess. (Possibly in service to wind...) Why is that? How does Rastafarianism serve Creation? - -Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 21:08:30 +0100 From: Jo Hart Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition At 14:36 05/05/98 -0400, you wrote: >On Tue, 5 May 1998, Hart, Joanna wrote: > > >You're walking on thin ice, Jo...*wields flaming sword menacingly* > >Beth likes Malakim with Good Views. I like Ivanova for the same reasons. > Maybe Malakim with Good Views can't act either ;-) [Then again, maybe they don't need to!] You want to be careful with that flaming sword near all that thin ice... jo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 16:19:17 EDT From: MarkDEddy Subject: Re: IN> Rasta Angel In a message dated 5/5/98 12:12:12 PM, jrooney@moose.uvm.edu writes: >>Actually, the patron of Rastafarianism is (IMC) Eli. One of his Mercurians, >>would be my guess. (Possibly in service to wind...) > >Why is that? How does Rastafarianism serve Creation? > >-Jesse 'It's da music, mon! And da people! And Christ for Africa!" (Not to mention that Eli's in Dreadlocks in the In Nomine Book) Also Transubstantiation, IMC, is usually used to turn Tobbacco into Ganja. Mark(who spent a summer in Jamaica) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 16:48:10 -0400 From: neel@cswv.com (Neel Krishnaswami) Subject: Re: IN> Various >From: Kevin Walsh > >On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 01:53:47PM -0400, Neel Krishnaswami wrote: >> >I thought only Djinn could do that. That was my interpretation of the >> >mention in the IPG under Sophisticated Uses of Resonance, because >> >otherwise it doesn't give the Djinn anything other people don't have. >> >> I haven't really had time to do a close reading of the IPG yet (this is >> why my long review has yet to appear). But I'd let it go, since the >> celestial form is the true form of the angel/demon and it ought to be >> able to use its powers fully from that form. >> >Whereas I tend to say that physical contact is physical contact, not >Celestial contact. You're on a different plane, after all. Ah -- now you make sense again. I was under the mistaken impression that you would say that (for example) Cherubim couldn't attune to someone in Heaven since they didn't have bodies and couldn't make physical contact. >> But as a rule I prefer to err on the side of greater PC power, since it >> makes players happy. They tend to use their powers to get into more >> trouble than they would have otherwise, anyway. > >Cool. Will you give my Seraphim dodge bonuses when they resonate on their >opponents with a check digit of 6? I realize this is probably a joke, but I'll take it seriously anyway. The answer is a qualified yes. If your opponent announced his intentions and you divined the Truth of what he was going to do before he actually carried it out, then I'd probably give you a Precision roll to see if you could react quickly enough to get out of the way. Note that this means that you could only dodge a physical attack, since the combat timing says supernatural powers go before physical ones; your opponent actually has to say something relevant for you to resonate on it; and you've used your action for the turn resonating instead of smiting. It's the "must say something relevant" bit that's the killer -- resonating on a war cry won't net you much of immediate use. Only if he says "I'll bite your toes off" do you really have much of a chance. But anyone announcing his plans to an angry Seraph really deserves what he gets. >Wow, five minutes in Celestial form, using that trick you were thinking of >using. That's inconvenient, you know. Of course, this is largely >quibbling. Certainly I think _someone_ knows by this stage, but I don't >think that it's a trivial problem for most Celestials. I don't think it's trivial, just that a 9-force celestial could probably find out with a moderate effort. It's about as much work as an undergrad honors thesis in university, say. You could probably find out more easily by looking it up in back issues of _The Journal of Applied Theology_ (Jean, ed.). - -- Neel Krishnawami neelk@alum.mit.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 17:00:28 -0400 From: IceHeart EvenFall Subject: Re: IN> IN: Resonance/Wheel of Time parallell At 07:04 PM 5/5/98 +0100, you wrote: >Kevin Walsh, Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. >(I didn't know there were other WOT fans on the list, besides Adam.) Of Course there are, we just hide =) Ice. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 98 17:20 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Angels of Suicide >My basic viewpoint is that heaven and hell arnt divided on the issue >of Good or Evil. ... >Rather, the divide seems to be on the issue of selflessness and >selfishness. This is also the canon viewpoint, as I understand it. There is a side issue, which is a major component of the moral ambiguity in the game, of how equivalent these two distinctions are. In my own campaign, they tend to run fairly parallel, but there are "evil" angels and "good" demons, who are still respectively acting out of selfless and selfish motives (at least to an extent). However, in my game, any "good" demon is probably on their way to Renegade and/or redemption, and any "evil" angel is walking *on* that thin line that separates angels from Falling. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:30:57 +0200 (DFT) From: Anders Gabrielsson Subject: Re: IN> how many Words have Angels On Tue, 5 May 1998, Walter Milliken wrote: > [Rob Knop:] > >My personal take is that most of the basic, significant words probably > >do have angels, and are frequnently represented by archangels. OTOH, > >it's very spotty which other words have angels bound to them. > > This is roughly how I feel about it. Lesser Words will generally be > filled when there's a celestial who feels strongly about the concept. One should also keep in mind that a Word may "grow" to contain more than the original meaning - witness Lightning, Wind, Hardcore, Gabriel's Fire etc. A celestial with a seemingly insignificant word can, through hard work or luck, become quite influential, if the "meaning" of its word grows. Anders Gabrielsson, Angel of [SNIP]ping anders@stp.ling.uu.se The contents of this message belong to me and nobody else. So there! "I kick arse for the Lord!" - Father McGruder ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 98 17:36 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Question about Motion (Celestial) >On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> (Ah, it's the Anvil trick!) This, BTW, comes from an old GURPS campaign, where it is an example of the Rube Goldberg School of Synergistic Spellcasting, and is generally known as "the Dancing Anvil trick". And, no, you really *don't* want to know.... >The anvil (or other heavy object) would have to be dropped from at least a >few feet to be really dangerous to a celestial. And I imagine the >teleportation might cause disturbance at the "point of entry", which would >make the celestial look up... which might be good or bad, depending on how >far up the object is. ;) Experienced celestials might just jump aside when >they feel disturbance straight overhead. In the original incarnation of this trick, it actually required a active targeting mechanism (or a skill roll for Dropping Heavy Objects, or the equivalent). Without all the additional spells that the original had, simply teleporting heavy items isn't particularly nasty. Not to mention that you either need to send them up pretty high (risking a miss), or use something that's very heavy (requiring lots of Essence). The original version was about 250 lbs., and was dropped from something like 15 feet up. (Which was enough to do plenty of damage according to the GURPS rules for falling damage.) Using Celestial Motion on a 250 lb. object is something you get to do *once* in a combat -- better hope it hits, because if it doesn't you're going to be out of Essence.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 17:08:35 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Shedim and dead hosts At 4:08 AM -0700 5/5/98, Sean McCarthy wrote: >Cruel Shedite trick: Find a Kyriotate with all their forces in one >place. Say possessing just a human or just a rat for some reason. >Hurt the host. Then STEAL it. Ejected Kyriotate. DISSONANT >Kyriotate for leaving the host hurt..and possessed by a Shedite. >That's definitely worse than it started. And, dissonant, it can't >repossess or find a new host... Cute... Very evil. >When all supernatural effects of the resonance leave, is a Shedite or >Kyriotate ejected from their current host(s)? No. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:57:35 +0200 (DFT) From: Anders Gabrielsson Subject: Re: IN> Lying (was Re: IN> Seraphim and the TRUTH. (help!) On Tue, 5 May 1998, Kevin Walsh wrote: > On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 12:50:00PM -0400, York H. Dobyns wrote: > > It's been said that > > the two most effective ways to lie are to say only carefully selected > > parts of the truth, and to tell the whole truth in such a way that it > > will not be believed. > > And Seraphim of the Wind do that endemically. It's what their Choir > attunement makes them do. It's not dissonant for Seraphim to deceive > people in that fashion, because it's still truth. And some Seraphim think > of very creative ways to make sure what they say will be misinterpreted. To get another WoT parallell into this, this is how the Aes Sedai get around their magically enforced vow to not lie. I can well imagine that a Seraph with a few centuries of practice will be good enough at this that he can say things that almost everyone would take to mean something quite different. :) Another problem with this is that there really aren't any uniform languages - every person has his/her own personal language, that usually has a pretty big overlap with most people around him/her, but may also have significant differences, due to, for example, misunderstandings of the general usage of a word. (I think everyone has had the experience that you somehow realize that a word that you have understood to have a certain meaning is actually used in quite a different way by the "people in general".) How does this affect Seraphim? Can they use this to consciously decieve people? ("He seems to think that this word means X while I take it to mean Y, so I can make him believe that I am saying something I am not.") I'd say no - this is "active" deception, and that should not be allowed, or any Seraph could create his own language and go around lying left, right and center. What if there's an honest misunderstanding - the Seraph states the truth (maybe even the Truth) clearly, but the person it is talking to misunderstands due to differing definitions of words? No dissonance for the Seraph, IMO - it didn't "actively" decieve the other person. What if there are several persons listening, and the Seraph knows that they have different definitions of words he uses? I guess he'd have to keep saying "the way I define X" (which is really the way people should speak, IMO (using "should" in a very weak, and certainly not moral sense) - - most people make far to many unqualified assertions). What does all this lead up to? Basically, that a Seraph has to be very, very careful. At least if I'm GM:ing. :) (Yes, I am interested in linguistics and communication. Why?:) Anders Gabrielsson, Angel of [SNIP]ping and Demon of Semantics anders@stp.ling.uu.se The contents of this message belong to me and nobody else. So there! "I kick arse for the Lord!" - Father McGruder ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 98 18:11 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Abortion in IN >>We seem to all be forgetting that A) heaven is liberalized and B) Angels, >>especially Malakim, are not adverse to murder. > >A) To an extent. The exact degree that it is liberalized will vary from >GM to GM of course. > >B) Not really murder, but execution. Consequently, you should generally >have first committed a crime so great so as to warrant it. O.K. so >Malakim are less forgiving than most, but basically, the agents of >Heaven are unlikely to kill you unless you've _done wrong_. Or killing you will promote some greater good (Elohim are the most prone to this sort of thing, though some Words may also encourage it). I would tend to agree that most AAs don't support "murder" (it normally being a selfish act, outside of the strict legal term), but fewer of them object to killing.... It's perfectly within the game viewpoint for some AAs to support killing innocent bystanders, as long as there is some good reason for it (such as destroying a hard-to-kill demon in the area). They wouldn't go out of their way to cause such human deaths, but if it's what's needed to achieve their goal, so be it. (This actually comes out of a canon discussion with Derek at one point, where he was suggesting Dominic would be perfectly happy to bomb a building full of humans to get a major Outcast. I'm not sure I'd go that far in my own game, but that indicates the sort of viewpoints that lie within canon.) As a general rule, angels are trying to ensure that humans reach Destiny, and demons try to ensure Fate. If someone is being corrupted away from Destiny, it may be more beneficial (from an angelic viewpoint) to kill them now, rather than let them go to their Fate. Note also that humans who reach neither are fairly prone to being "recycled" for another try. So killing humans isn't, per se, "bad", as long as it's done for the right reasons. Always remember that canon IN is *not* bound to the moral strictures of the religions it resembles. There may be a lot of cross-over, but it's not necessarily always consistent. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 00:15:42 +0200 (DFT) From: Anders Gabrielsson Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition On Tue, 5 May 1998, Titus 3 11 wrote: > Not jaded enough????? Well, maybe jaded was the wrong word. Active, maybe? (Hyperactive is more like it.) I picture Kobal as much more run-down, passive, tired. He's seen it all, and he doesn't bother enough to do anything, except every once in a great while when he gets a really good idea... and even then he doesn't really feel fulfilled afterwards, even if everything works out exactly like he planned it, or even if it's much better. Leary doesn't project that. But then again, that's just my take on him. :) Anders Gabrielsson, Angel of [SNIP]ping anders@stp.ling.uu.se The contents of this message belong to me and nobody else. So there! "I kick arse for the Lord!" - Father McGruder ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 18:21:07 -0400 From: Twila Oxley Price Subject: IN> Two NPCS for your perusal Um. I asked about a relationship between a Malakim and a Grey Lilim a few months ago, and I *finally* managed to get the characters and their backstories written in a way that felt "right". I'm offering them up for critique, simply because they're going to be important NPCS in my campaign, which is also finally gelling. So, if anyone would be kind enough to tell me if I've gotten anything *really horribly* wrong, or even made them interesting characters, I'd appreciate it. Twila =============================================================== Caidel Malakite of Creation, in service to the Sword Corporeal Forces - 4 (Strength 9, Agility 7) Ethereal Forces - 3 (Intelligence 6, Precision 6) Celestial Forces - 5 (Will 10, Perception 10) Vessels: Human/2 (male); Cat/2 (Maine coon, male) Role: Martial arts teacher (Kai Sakura)/3; Status/3 Skills: Fighting (martial arts)/8; Driving/1; Large Weapon(sword)/8; Tracking/4; Knowledge (bladesmith)/11; Knowledge(Oriental philosophy)/3. Songs: Motion (Corporeal, Ethereal, Celestial)/4; Thunder/5; Tongues (Ethereal)/3;, Numinous Corpus (Claws)/5;Attraction (Celestial)/4. Attunements: Malakim of Creation; Abracadabra; Blade Blessing of Laurence. Special Rite: Create a worthy blade (+3 essence). Malakite Oaths: Never suffer an evil to live if it's his choice; Never surrender; Foster skills in honourable students; Engage in one creative endeavour every week; Protect Jerith until Eli orders otherwise; Fight any honourable foe honourably. - --------------------------------------------------------------- Caidel has never been a typical Malakim. He has always been rather absent-minded where nearly everything except his two passions were concerned -- killing demons and creating beautiful blades. He's quite effecient at both, and that's his current problem. While Eli was still active in Heaven, Caidel had been left alone to do what he did best. There were the odd assignments, but mostly Eli allowed Caidel to serve in his own way. Eli rather liked Caidel, in fact. We assume that's why Eli asked Caidel to do him a very special service - -- to protect the Lilim Jereth. Caidel didn't ask why, he just added that to his list of vows, but then Eli disappeared. The next thing Caidel knew, he was under investigation by a Triad. Laurence intervened, citing Caidel's superlative skills at demon-killing, and his equally superlative skill at creating fine blades, and Dominic allowed Laurence to take Caidel into his service. Caidel is a good servitor to Laurence, since he appreciates Laurence's aid and he also appreciates how Laurence must miss being on the front lines. He is stubborn about his obligation to Jereth, but even Laurence cannot fault him for it, since he is following Eli's orders in that regard. It helps that Jereth appears to be on the light grey side of the War, tending towards taking the Redemption path. Caidel's human vessel is a thirtyish Oriental man, rather attractive but not terribly well-dressed. He is the owner/teacher at a dojo in a small midwestern city, and he covers most of his assignments by making a point of competing in tournaments whenever he can. He has three assistants at the dojo, who happily cover for him when he is away, but who have no idea of his true nature. He also has a forge connected to his dojo where he creates his masterpieces on a commission basis (only to those who are honourable enough to deserve one of his blades). This is a highly lucrative profession, and enables Caidel to keep tabs on his charge, Jereth, by using as the "official" dealer for his wares. Things would be very good for Caidel right now, except for one slight problem. He has fallen in love with his Lilim charge. Caidel has very little social experience, and he has been overwhelmed by the rush. He knows that it's a relationship doomed to failure IF he can't talk Jereth into Redeeming, but so far, he's simply trying to ride the whirlwind and not get tossed off. He won't break his oaths for Jereth, but he will do anything short of that to keep him safe. =============================================================== Jereth Free Lilim Corporeal Forces - 3 (Strength 6, Agility 6) Ethereal Forces - 3 (Intelligence 6, Precision 6) Celestial Forces - 4 (Will 9, Perception 7) Vessel: Human/4 (male) Role: Art and Antiquities Dealer (Jeremiah Madison)/3, Status/2 Skills: Knowledge (art/antiquities)/7; Fast-talk/5; Seduce/4; Savior-Faire/4; Ranged Weapon (pistol)/3; Dodge/2. Songs: Healing (orporeal, Etherial, Celestial)/3; Motion (Celestial)/4; Form (Etherial)/3. Attunements: None. Dissonance: 3 level/3 Geas, owed to Lilith; Need/2 -- blood. - --------------------------------------------------------------- Jereth is one of the few male Lilim, and one who's on the edge of going Bright. He had never been all that enamoured of working for any Prince, and he was quite happy to remain as a Free Lilim, paying off his Geasa to Lilith when and how she required. The event that tipped him towards becoming Bright was two Geasa ago, when he was loaned to Kobal for an elaborate joke, which involved making a certain Saint believe in vampires. Jereth's role was to be the "vampire", using his Songs and his wiles to seduce the Saint, who, unfortunately, was convinced more easily than anyone had suspected, and who called in the Big Guns to take out the Evil (Divine Intervention, anyone?). Jereth was in Trauma for a long while, and his "companions" blamed him for the fiasco. Kobal decided that a fitting punishment would be to give Jereth a Need. For blood. Jereth's next assignment was being loaned to Eli for a period of three years. Jereth didn't *like* working for the Other Side, but Eli was into Freedom in a way that no Prince Jereth had ever met could match, and he felt his self slowly changing towards a more ... unselfish view of the Symphony. Eli, for his own reasons, offered Jereth a guardian, and Jereth accepted without knowing that Eli meant a Malakim. So far, Jereth has managed to stay on Earth in the vessel and role he assumed while working for Eli, and to keep his head down as far as any other demons are concerned. Lilith hasn't called in any more Geasa, and Jereth is hoping that Eli will show up Real Soon Now, so he can ask to be Redeemed. Jereth knows that Caidel is in love with him, and he is slowly learning to reciprocate the emotion, but he's still more selfish than not. His human vessel is very handsome (not quite body by Andre, but close) and he tries to keep it in shape. He is also willing to seduce young ladies for access to his Need. =============================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:41:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben-Prime Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition On Wed, 6 May 1998, Anders Gabrielsson wrote: > Well, maybe jaded was the wrong word. Active, maybe? (Hyperactive is more > like it.) I picture Kobal as much more run-down, passive, tired. He's seen > it all, and he doesn't bother enough to do anything, except every once in > a great while when he gets a really good idea... and even then he doesn't > really feel fulfilled afterwards, even if everything works out exactly > like he planned it, or even if it's much better. Leary doesn't project > that. Alas, poor Bill Hicks. :) Ben - ----- emrys@netrox.net ---------------- http://www.netrox.net/~emrys/ ------ "When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty. I think only how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong." -- R. Buckminster Fuller - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- WhHi6G2>3 LCJRo hBrc+++g b69/83 B3^E1# a27+ sM1N10~ K8p k3BdSAbCehIOpRrTtxX QbEKLMRTtO v64s opLSO X6#7 w7T r6IsLM E+++ p9f7v4&g4s8 D36C(c*P*!# Hco+usFL7 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:44:03 GMT+10 From: "Leath Sheales" <938269@wrpc.riv.csu.edu.au> Subject: Re: IN> Baal and Michael In reply to: > What was Baal's Word as an Archangel? Obviously, he wasn't the Archangel > of the War at the time, so what did he resonate? He probably wasn't an Archangel. More likely he would only have been an ordinary angel. Not all angels (including those who did and didn't fall) were archangels at that time. Examples are Dominic, the Angel of Judgement and his servant Asmodeus, Belial, Servant of Fire, Andrealphus, the Angel of Love in Service to Eli, and Beleth the Angel of Fear. Leath. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:52:15 GMT+10 From: "Leath Sheales" <938269@wrpc.riv.csu.edu.au> Subject: Re: IN> Shedim and dead hosts In reply to: > >Cruel Shedite trick: Find a Kyriotate with all their forces in one > >place. Say possessing just a human or just a rat for some reason. > >Hurt the host. Then STEAL it. Ejected Kyriotate. DISSONANT > >Kyriotate for leaving the host hurt..and possessed by a Shedite. > >That's definitely worse than it started. And, dissonant, it can't > >repossess or find a new host... Did anyone read the "Interview with the Shedite"? It already told you this trick as something to p*ss Kyrio's off with. Leath. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 02:19:29 +0100 From: Rhodri James Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN- Re: IN- Re: IN- IN Mapboard Combat On 04 May, David Streeter wrote: > Ahh yes. Well, I grew up on Champions, so perhaps that has coloured my > thinking. Funny you should mention that. The groups that I am in *always* pull out the Cardboard Heroes (ah, those were the days :-) for a Champions combat, usually use figures for Tim's Homebrew System or ChrisAndTina's Homebrew System, and (almost) never use maps for anything else. It's largely a matter of system and what you're used to -- somehow a Champions combat is incomplete without figures to us, while a Feng Shui combat is horribly restrictive with them. - -- Rhodri James *-* Wildebeeste herder to the masses If you don't know who I work for, you can't misattribute my words to them ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 20:38:28 -0400 From: Jesse Subject: Re: IN> Baal and Michael >> What was Baal's Word as an Archangel? Obviously, he wasn't the Archangel >> of the War at the time, so what did he resonate? > >He probably wasn't an Archangel. More likely he would only have been >an ordinary angel. Not all angels (including those who did and >didn't fall) were archangels at that time. Examples are Dominic, the >Angel of Judgement and his servant Asmodeus, Belial, Servant of Fire, >Andrealphus, the Angel of Love in Service to Eli, and Beleth the >Angel of Fear. But Beleth was a full Archangel - -Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:32:29 GMT+10 From: "Leath Sheales" <938269@wrpc.riv.csu.edu.au> Subject: Re: IN> Baal and Michael Jesse wrote: > But Beleth was a full Archangel No. It states quite clearly in "The Marches" that Beleth was the Angel of Fear, and not an Archangel. I think it also says the same in her write up in the main rulebook. Leath. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 21:28:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Pee Kitty Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Auditions On Tue, 5 May 1998, Casca wrote: > Baal: the guy who plays Gul Dukat on Deep Space 9. Mark Alaimo. A VERY good actor, though I don't see him as Baal myself. I think he'd make a GREAT Malphas, though. > Kobal: Dennis Leary Too funny, IMO. Kobal is jaded. (And anyone who even THINKS "Jim Carrey" gets thrown to Haagenti...) Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian Meow! And finally, a special message to \|/ ____ \|/ anyone who thinks I give a damn... ~@-/ oO \-@~ /_( \__/ )_\ \__U_/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 21:31:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Pee Kitty Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's big move On Mon, 4 May 1998, Kevin Walsh wrote: > Dissonant. A Djinn can't ask someone else to get rid of an object of their > attunement, though they can make hints, like "I'm really sick of being > attuned to X, and if you do me a favour, I'll give you this relic." > "What sort of favour?" > "I can't say." Says who? It says a Djinn cannot being himself to harm the object, but the netreps on this list have made it QUITE clear that he can stand by and let his friends do the whomping. It's not dissonant at all. Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian Meow! And finally, a special message to \|/ ____ \|/ anyone who thinks I give a damn... ~@-/ oO \-@~ /_( \__/ )_\ \__U_/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:43:49 -0700 (PDT) From: daiv@cruzio.com (David M. Barr) Subject: IN> djinn and healing I have noticed that When Djinns come up, in the list and in other contexts, it seems that they are assumed to consistently attune to people. By definition, when they do this, they cannot harm hte person they are attuned to without dissonace, unless they are asked to do so by the person thay rea attuned to. (for example, attunee says give me that knife. Djinn smiles and gives it to him. in the heart.") all well and good and canonical. My thoughts are along the fact that Djinn are also allowed to attune to objects and places. So, for example, they could attune to a sword, and arrange for that sword to be given to someone they wanted to hurt. No problems. Or, instead of a sord, a ring. a jacket. Imagine a Djinn as a pawn shop owner... IN the IPG, itsays that a Djinn whohas harmed the object of his attunement can remove the dissonace by undoing the hardm he has done. (Song of healing) My question therefore is, would the corp song of healing work on an inanimate object? It seems logical, in that objects have body hits and so have a specfic amount of damge they can take before they are destroyed. But perhaps I am missing something, and there s another song or method that would work here. - -Daiv Offanite of Janus (oh yeah, _I"M_ stable) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 19:09:06 PDT From: "David Streeter" Subject: IN> Re: IN- What are Forces? >>particles in it. Is a single Force on a par with a single >>quark -- though, one assumes, at a very much higher level of >>energy, in the case of the Forces in a soul or celestial? > >I've been assuming that Forces are complex things. The fundamental >particles in human physics and the like may simply be manifestations of >the interplay of Forces -- i.e., you can't just map 1 electron = 1 >Force. A Force might be something more like a mathematical formula -- >it could represent something very simple, or very complex. Fractals are >your friends.... > To keep the musical metaphor, if individuals made up of forces are instruments, I guess Forces would be the strings (or reeds, or whatever). I would say that a force is anything that has the potential to change the symphony. SurturZ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #756 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.