From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed May 6 12:22:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA19262 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:22:34 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id MAA31323 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:11:28 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 12:11:28 -0500 Message-Id: <199805061711.MAA31323@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #758 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, May 6 1998 Volume 01 : Number 758 In this digest: Re: IN> djinn and healing Re: IN> Jordi's big move Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition Re: IN> IN: Rasta Angel Re: IN> Baal and Michael Re: IN> Essence "flavors" Re: IN> Lying (was Re: IN> Seraphim and the TRUTH. (help!) Petition (Was Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition) Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition IN> (Fwd) joke (computer and creation) [FLUFF] Re: IN> Baal and Michael Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition Re: IN> Fluff: A Soldier for Micheal IN> Wandering Cherubim Re: IN> Wandering Cherubim One can never have too much nit-picking...(was Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition) Claudia as Michael!! HECK, YEAH! (was Re: IN> Claudia Christian as Michael?) Re: IN> IN: Resonance/Wheel of Time parallell IN> Supergirl: Kara Ofanim of Gabriel Re: IN> Various Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition Re: Grand'ma is toast (was Re: IN> Uriel's next assignment) IN> Dark Humour Attunements Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition Re: IN> Various ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 11:10:01 +0100 From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN> djinn and healing On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 06:43:49PM -0700, David M. Barr wrote: > My thoughts are along the fact that Djinn are also allowed to attune to > objects and places. So, for example, they could attune to a sword, and > arrange for that sword to be given to someone they wanted to hurt. No > problems. Or, instead of a sord, a ring. a jacket. > Imagine a Djinn as a pawn shop owner... Absolutely right. Of course, you can't be sure that they'll always carry the object (though Ethereal attraction might be good here; I say might because I haven't had the rulebook for several weeks and can't remember if you can use it to make people obsess about objects). Or of course it could be stolen. > IN the IPG, itsays that a Djinn whohas harmed the object of his attunement > can remove the dissonace by undoing the hardm he has done. (Song of > healing) My question therefore is, would the corp song of healing work on > an inanimate object? No reason why not, but why does the Djinn bother harming an inanimate object? Kevin Walsh, Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. - -- "In the period of dictatorship, surrounded on all sides by enemies, we sometimes manifested unnecessary leniency and unnecessary softheartedness." N.V. Krylenko. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 12:31:48 +0200 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Micha=EBl_Benjamin_Perez?=" Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's big move How do you quit this list. I forgot the adress of the majordomo thingie. Please help me out. My mail-account can't handle the in-nomine enthusiasm. Thanx Eluzai the Sporadic Touch me and..... LIVE ! (you know... it's a Cherub thing) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:52:55 +0200 (DFT) From: Anders Gabrielsson Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition On Wed, 6 May 1998, Kevin Walsh wrote: > On Wed, May 06, 1998 at 05:18:08AM -0400, Casca wrote: > > > Shouldn't you specify that it's metaphorical thin ice? Of course, Michael > > > does go around calling Dominic a hyena. > > > > Some things are considered understood and therefore need not be said, > > such as the implied subject "you" in the statement "Go take a flying leap." > > > I don't think that the analogy is a good one. An imperative statement > without an object is frankly ridiculous. But thin ice can certainly > literally exist, and is not necessarily metaphorical. Just to push this a bit further off topic... :) Depending on the grammatical theory you adhere to, an imperative can have an elliptic (I think that's what you call it in English - it means the subject, in this case, is there in some sense, but isn't expressed) subject, or simply be without subject. Anders Gabrielsson, Angel of Syntax anders@stp.ling.uu.se The contents of this message belong to me and nobody else. So there! "I kick arse for the Lord!" - Father McGruder ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 08:16:34 -0400 From: Andrew Frades Subject: Re: IN> IN: Rasta Angel Jesse wrote: > Any ideas from the list as to who the angel of Rastafarians serves? > I am thinking Wind because of the revolutionary message of Rastas. > > -Jesse Maybe. But I would imagine that Eli would be better. Just fits with what I know of the principles. I can't rationale why, just a gut instinct. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 05:28:54 -0700 From: Sean McCarthy Subject: Re: IN> Baal and Michael > Given that Baal is the only Superior on either side that we know of with a > Word based solely on a single event, is it reasonable to assume that > before he Fell he had a similarly time-limited Word? And was it, perhaps, > the fear that his role might soon be over that drove him, alone among that > generation (excluding Lucifer) to rebel against God? > > Kevin Walsh, Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. I'm not sure about that. The Game is defined as the contest between Heaven and Hell. Asmodeus is said to be the head strategist while Baal is the general. Both words seem limited, but Asmodeus's Word has other meanings as well. The word of the War is probably similarly expandable. However... I believe it's mentioned that Michael was given his Word after the Fall. If Baal had a Word before, it was probably something relating to conflict, change, or a natural force of that sort. Just my guess....but certainly he was of Archangelic status, IMHO, because he fought David in the Rebellion...and lived. Even if Hell's story that if Baal hadn't been fighting David, he could have defeated Michael(Maybe if he and Lucifer ganged on him?) isn't true, Baal is mentioned in such exalted company. That is good enough for me. Of course, I'm pining away waiting for the next Revelations book to come out, so maybe I"m just delirious. Sean ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 08:30:32 -0400 From: Nana Yaw Ofori Subject: Re: IN> Essence "flavors" At 2:49 PM -0400 5/5/98, Walter Milliken wrote: >[From the "Double Agents" thread:] >>I thought Gabriel noticed that the Essence used in summoning her was >>generated by a non-Fire Rite. > >>This raises a bunch of other questions - I've always thought of Essence as >>being a completely uniform, without distinctions to separate one "unit" >>>from the next. > >In the Lilith writeup in the main book, I believe, there's a mention of >"dark Essence". > >I've been considering that Essence can come in "flavors"; specifically >that the Essence that arrives at different times of day is actually >different (that gives us 4 basic "flavors": angelic, demonic, human, and >ethereal). But it's not *very* different -- anyone can use any type. I >have considered that using demonic Essence might be dissonant for >angels, though (or at least frequent use). I've been going with more flavors than that: a sufficiently perceptive person can tell /who/ the Essence came from, so long as he's had an occasion to taste that person's Essence before. Beyond that, it's discernible in the above four flavors. Other than that, though, Essence is Essence, the Celestial Currency. On the other hand, this will give Impudites iyet another way to tell who's Celestial and who's not. Steal some Essence, taste it, and figure out what side he's on. Though it's pretty darned hard for Impudites to steal any Essence in the first place, so it doesn't change much. Which brings up another question: If a person is Symphonically Aware, and an Impudite charms and sucks Essence from him, and he's not one of the four Choirs who get an instantaneous perception roll, when does the victim find out? = http://www.io.com/~beholder ===================== nofori@pop3.utoled.edu === Nana-Yaw "The Fish" Ofori, Freelance Soldier of Heck, presenty serving Melvil, Djinn Knight of Fate, the Demon of Dewey Decimal System. ===== ><{{"> ============ "Life's a Fish, then you Fry." ======= <"}}>< ====== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 08:22:21 -0400 From: Nana Yaw Ofori Subject: Re: IN> Lying (was Re: IN> Seraphim and the TRUTH. (help!) At 12:50 PM -0400 5/5/98, York H. Dobyns wrote: >And another digression on lies: as noted above, Celestial tongue does >not allow the speaker to lie. Doesn't that make the Seraph resonance >fairly pointless in Heaven? Or are all Seraphs in their natural home >looking for CDs of 6, so they can detect speakers who are honestly >deluded? Well, Kyriotate Resonance tends to be just as useless in Heaven. Furthermore, you don't have to speak the Angelic Tongue in Heaven. You can speak Demonic (with all its attendant problems), or English, or French, or Esperanto, or any other language you happen to know. It's just that you can't speak Angelic or Demonic when not Celestial Form. = http://www.io.com/~beholder ===================== nofori@pop3.utoled.edu === Nana-Yaw "The Fish" Ofori, Freelance Soldier of Heck, presenty serving Melvil, Djinn Knight of Fate, the Demon of Dewey Decimal System. ===== ><{{"> ============ "Life's a Fish, then you Fry." ======= <"}}>< ====== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 09:10:52 -0400 (EDT) From: gantr@NKU.EDU Subject: Petition (Was Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition) On Wed, 6 May 1998, Casca wrote: > > Hasn't this Nit-picking thing gone far enough? > > If, however, you would like to sign a petition I have just now created, > called "Please make the Servitors of Nitpicking shut up NOW", I would be > more than happy to add your name to the list. Here's my signature. I'm tired of scrolling through pages of useless junk, only to find that there was nothing of any real use at all. I thought the abortion thread was less annoying. Richard "Mr. Uriel" Gant ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 15:03:50 +0100 From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition On Wed, May 06, 1998 at 01:52:55PM +0200, Anders Gabrielsson wrote: > > I don't think that the analogy is a good one. An imperative statement > > without an object is frankly ridiculous. But thin ice can certainly > > literally exist, and is not necessarily metaphorical. > > Just to push this a bit further off topic... :) > > Depending on the grammatical theory you adhere to, an imperative can have > an elliptic (I think that's what you call it in English - it means the > subject, in this case, is there in some sense, but isn't expressed) > subject, or simply be without subject. > Maybe I'm being stupid but I can't imagine how that works. Could you enlighten me? Kevin Walsh, Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. - -- "In the period of dictatorship, surrounded on all sides by enemies, we sometimes manifested unnecessary leniency and unnecessary softheartedness." N.V. Krylenko. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 07:40:51 -0700 (MST) From: Jason Corley Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition On Wed, 6 May 1998, Kevin Walsh wrote: > > > > Depending on the grammatical theory you adhere to, an imperative can have > > an elliptic (I think that's what you call it in English - it means the > > subject, in this case, is there in some sense, but isn't expressed) > > subject, or simply be without subject. > > > Maybe I'm being stupid but I can't imagine how that works. Could you > enlighten me? Sure: Get out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or Look out!!!!!!!!!(etc.) That of course means: "You get out!" or "You look out!" There are also some that are not imperatives: Cool! means "That's cool!" Jason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 15:47:49 +0100 () From: "David.Evans" Subject: IN> (Fwd) joke (computer and creation) [FLUFF] Hi everybody! OK, so this *is* Fluff, but at least it's related to In Nomine/Religion after a fashion... Forwarded message: > Fairly long, but it's quite funny... > As my freind said to me when she forwarded this to me. :-) Enjoy! > > THE CREATION: > > In the beginning there was the computer. And God said > > c:\>Let there be light! > > Enter user id. > > c:\>God > > Enter password. > > c:\>Omniscient > > Password incorrect. Try again. > > c:\>Omnipotent > > Password incorrect. Try again. > > c:\>Technocrat > > And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Sunday, March 1. > > c:\>Let there be light! > > Unrecognizable command. Try again. > > c:\>Create light > > Done > > c:\>Run heaven and earth > > And God created Day and Night. And God saw there were 0 errors. > > And God logged off at 12:02:00 AM, Sunday, March 1. > > And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Monday, March 2. > > c:\>Let there be firmament in the midst of water and light > > Unrecognizable command. Try again. > > c:\>Create firmament > > Done. > > c:\>Run firmament > > And God divided the waters. And God saw there were 0 errors. > > And God logged off at 12:02:00 AM, Monday, March 2. > > And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Tuesday, March 3. > > c:\>Let the waters under heaven be gathered together unto one place and > let the dry land appear and > > Too many characters in specification string. Try again. > > c:\>Create dry_land > > Done. > > c:\>Run firmament > > And God divided the waters. And God saw there were 0 errors. > > And God logged off at 12:02:00 AM, Tuesday, March 3. > > And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Wednesday, March 4. > > c:\>Create lights in the firmament to divide the day from the night > > Unspecified type. Try again. > > c:\>Create sun_moon_stars > > Done > > c:\>Run sun_moon_stars > > And God divided the waters. And God saw there were 0 errors. > > And God logged off at 12:02:00 AM, Wednesday, March 4. > > And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Thursday, March 5. > > c:\>Create fish > > Done > > c:\>Create fowl > > Done > > c:\>Run fish, fowl > > And God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that > creepeth wherewith the waters swarmed after its kind and every winged fowl > after its kind. And God saw there were 0 errors. > > And God logged off at 12:02:00 AM, Thursday, March 5. > > And God logged on at 12:01:00 AM, Friday, March 6. > > c:\>Create cattle > > Done > > c:\>Create creepy_things > > Done > > c:\>Now let us make man in our image > > Unspecified type. Try again. > > c:\>Create man > > Done > > c:\>Be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth and subdue it and > have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the air and > over every living thing that creepeth upon the earth > > Too many command operands. Try again. > > c:\>Run multiplication > > Execution terminated. 6 errors. > > c:\>Insert breath > > Done > > c:\>Run multiplication > > Execution terminated. 5 errors. > > c:\>Move man to Garden of Eden > > File Garden of Eden does not exist. > > c:\>Create Garden.edn > > Done > > c:\>Move man to Garden.edn > > Done > > c:\>Run multiplication > > Execution terminated. 4 errors. > > c:\>Copy woman from man > > Done > > c:\>Run multiplication > > Execution terminated. 2 errors. > > c:\>Create desire > > Done > > c:\>Run multiplication > > And God saw man and woman being fruitful and multiplying in Garden.edn > > Warning: No time limit on this run. 1 errors. > > c:\>Create freewill > > Done > > c:\>Run freewill > > And God saw man and woman being fruitful and multiplying in Garden.edn > > Warning: No time limit on this run. 1 errors. > > c:\>Undo desire > > Desire cannot be undone once freewill is created. > > c:\>Destroy freewill > > Freewill is an inaccessible file and cannot be destroyed. > > Enter replacement, cancel, or ask for help. > > c:\>Help > > Desire cannot be undone once freewill is created. > > Freewill is an inaccessible file and cannot be destroyed. > > Enter replacement, cancel, or ask for help. > > c:\>Create tree_of_knowledge > > And God saw man and woman being fruitful and multiplying in Garden.edn > > Warning: No time limit on this run. 1 errors. > > c:\>Create good, evil > > Done > > c:\>Activate evil > > And God saw he had created shame. > > Warning system error in sector E95. Man and woman not in Garden.edn. 1 > errors. > > c:\>Scan Garden.edn for man, woman > > Search failed. > > c:\>Delete shame > > Shame cannot be deleted once evil has been activated. > > c:\>Destroy freewill > > Freewill is an inaccessible file and cannot be destroyed. > > Enter replacement, cancel, or ask for help. > > c:\>Stop > > Unrecognizable command. Try again > > c:\>Break > > c:\>Break > > c:\>Break > > ATTENTION ALL USERS *** ATTENTION ALL USERS: COMPUTER GOING DOWN FOR > REGULAR DAY OF MAINTENANCE AND REST IN FIVE MINUTES. PLEASE LOG OFF. > > c:\>Create new world > > You have exceeded your allocated file space. You must destroy old files > before new ones can be created. > > c:\>Destroy earth > > Destroy earth: Please confirm. > > c:\>Destroy earth confirmed > > COMPUTER DOWN *** COMPUTER DOWN. SERVICES WILL RESUME SUNDAY, MARCH 8 AT > 6:00 AM. YOU MUST SIGN OFF NOW. > > And God logged off at 11:59:59 PM, Friday, March 6. > _ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 10:58:34 -0400 From: Nana Yaw Ofori Subject: Re: IN> Baal and Michael At 10:45 AM -0400 5/6/98, Leath Sheales wrote: >Richard gant wrote: > > >Also, I can't argue with the IPG since I don't have it (yet), but the >APG describes Andrealphus as the "dark angel of Love" (p9). Since it >specifically mentions Beleth as the Archangel of Fear on that page >(which is also incontention), we can say that this is an argument >against, since they didn't bother to define Andre as an Archangel. Until the Infernal Player's Guide, which does give Andrealphus the mantle of former Archangel of Love. > >I still stick by a non-Archangel Belial. At least that didn't change. \|=) = http://www.io.com/~beholder ===================== nofori@pop3.utoled.edu === Nana-Yaw "The Fish" Ofori, Freelance Soldier of Heck, presenty serving Jaraith, Shedite Baron of Nightmares, the Demon of NONONOAUUUAARRGGGHHH!!! ===== ><{{"> ============ "Life's a Fish, then you Fry." ======= <"}}>< ====== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 16:10:01 +0100 From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition On Wed, May 06, 1998 at 07:40:51AM -0700, Jason Corley wrote: > > > Depending on the grammatical theory you adhere to, an imperative can have > > > an elliptic (I think that's what you call it in English - it means the > > > subject, in this case, is there in some sense, but isn't expressed) > > > subject, or simply be without subject. > > > > > Maybe I'm being stupid but I can't imagine how that works. Could you > > enlighten me? > > Look out!!!!!!!!!(etc.) > > That of course means: "You get out!" or "You look out!" > I assumed that that was what was meant by an elliptic, but I think of the implied "you" as being a subject. > There are also some that are not imperatives: > > Cool! > > means "That's cool!" > But we were speaking of imperatives, or at least I was. Kevin Walsh, Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. - -- "In the period of dictatorship, surrounded on all sides by enemies, we sometimes manifested unnecessary leniency and unnecessary softheartedness." N.V. Krylenko. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:24:49 EDT From: MarkDEddy Subject: Re: IN> Fluff: A Soldier for Micheal In a message dated 5/5/98 8:30:44 PM, fmlazar@cyber-wizard.com writes: > > > Saw the Austin Powers movie again recently and this line sticks in my >mind. > > > "This is Frau Brecca, founder of the militant wing of the Salvation Army." > > > --Dr. Evil to his henchmen "Austin Powers, Man of Mystery" So is there a character here, or was it just an idea? My family is Salvation Army, (One aunt is a Colonel, two sets of Great- Grandparents were Brigadiers, several cousins are Lieutenants or Captains) so I could help write this up. The only problem is that most Salvation Army members are more likely to be servants of Eli on loan to David... Mark(figure that one out!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 16:26:02 +0000 (GMT) From: "The blue eyes, the leather, some guys just like leather" Subject: IN> Wandering Cherubim A player of mine has a query they want clearing and I was wondering if anyone had any ideas. I quote: - - Wandering Cherubim: If you only wanted to attune to an object/person for a short while, until you were convinced that whatever crisis that would befall them has past ("My work here is done, now I must be away"), could you break the attunement without gaining dissonance? Or, under the right circumstances, would you get modifiers to your roll to break the attunement that would significantly reduce the chance of gaining dissonance (e.g finding another cherub to take over where you left off, your Superior saying "Your work here is done", etc)? As it stands, cherubim are somewhat limited as regards "Highway to Heaven" style antics, unless someone has gotten around this creatively... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 16:46:41 +0100 From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN> Wandering Cherubim On Wed, May 06, 1998 at 04:26:02PM +0000, The blue eyes, the leather, some guys just like leather wrote: > - Wandering Cherubim: If you only wanted to attune to an object/person for a > short while, until you were convinced that whatever crisis that would befall > them has past ("My work here is done, now I must be away"), could you break > the attunement without gaining dissonance? I'm afraid not, which is a bit of a bummer. Also, Cherubim of Judgement need to do this sort of thing too. Or, under the right > circumstances, would you get modifiers to your roll to break the attunement > that would significantly reduce the chance of gaining dissonance (e.g > finding another cherub to take over where you left off, your Superior saying > "Your work here is done", etc)? I suppose that depends on the GM, but Essence always works. If you have strong Will, you shouldn't have to spend that much Essence to be almost certain to break the attunement. Kevin Walsh, Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. - -- "In the period of dictatorship, surrounded on all sides by enemies, we sometimes manifested unnecessary leniency and unnecessary softheartedness." N.V. Krylenko. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:04:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Graveyard Greg Subject: One can never have too much nit-picking...(was Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition) - ---Jesse wrote: > > >> > (re: Ivanova) > >> > >Her skills as a Demon Prince would be exceptional... > >> > > >> > Her skills at acting however, leave something to be desired ;) > >> > >> You're walking on thin ice, Jo... > > > >Shouldn't you specify that it's metaphorical thin ice? Of course, Michael > >does go around calling Dominic a hyena. > > Hasn't this Nit-picking thing gone far enough? > > -Jesse > No one has quite mapped the limits of nit-picking. I believe that is why Beth is growing in power...The Demon Princess must be STOPPED! She threatens the entire Symphony with her nit-picking! Hmmmm....CAN you nit-pick the Symphony? Ooooooooh...scary thought! Graveyard Greg, Angel of Melodrama... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:08:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Graveyard Greg Subject: Claudia as Michael!! HECK, YEAH! (was Re: IN> Claudia Christian as Michael?) - ---Stacy Stroud wrote: > > Quoth Casca: > >I'm not saying she couldn't do the job, I'm saying she shouldn't be a DP. > >Ivanova as Michael, on the other hand.... > > > "Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova, Commander, Earthforce; daughter of Andrei > and Sophie Ivanov. I am the right hand of Vengeance, and the boot that is > going to kick your sorry butt all the way back to Earth, sweetheart. I am > Death Incarnate, and the last living thing you will ever see. *God* sent > me." > > Yup, I can see it.... > > > Stacy Stroud > sstroud@uky.campus.mci.net > > > Thanks for the quote! That is my favorite line for Ivonava! But, does Michael even use a female vessel anymore? I thought I read somewhere that he doesn't...Oh, well! Graveyard Greg _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:12:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Graveyard Greg Subject: Re: IN> IN: Resonance/Wheel of Time parallell - ---IceHeart EvenFall wrote: > > At 07:04 PM 5/5/98 +0100, you wrote: > > > >Kevin Walsh, Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. > >(I didn't know there were other WOT fans on the list, besides Adam.) > > Of Course there are, we just hide =) > > Ice. > > And we also lurk... Graveyard Greg _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 17:17:27 +0000 (GMT) From: "The blue eyes, the leather, some guys just like leather" Subject: IN> Supergirl: Kara Ofanim of Gabriel Kara - Ofanim of Gabriel. This is my take on supergirl in the In Nomine world. its accurate up to issue 22 of the comic. If anyone can suggest why she cannot be possessed, even with such a low will, it will be appreciated. And I know supergirl isn't called Kara in continuity, but its a better ofanim name than matrix. Character is a suitable starting character, providing you can convince the GM to allow you to have an attunement from another superior (and an adapted one to boot) and the numinous corpus. But I'm the GM in my game so I say its ok. character not suitable if you are planning any trips to the celestial realm. Cor Eth Cel 3 3 3 8 str 5 int 8 per 4 agl 9 pre 4 wil Atunements: ofanim of Gabriel smite (streams of fire from eyes) varient of Kyriotate of Destiny Vesel /3 charisma/1 (sex appeal, both sexes) Role /6 status /2 Linda Danvers, artist (sculpture) Discord: Bound/5 Skills Fighting /3 Lying /1 Tracking /1 Artistry /3 (sculpture/2 drawing /1) Songs: corporeal song of form /2 (slightly tougher than normal) celestial song of form /2 (allowing her to morph from Linda to supergirl) corporeal song of motion /3 (flight) etherial song of motion /2 (Telekinesis) celestial song of motion /1 (teleportation) numinous corpus - wings of fire /1 Note. wings of fire is considered weapon, not flight aid. Supergirl can only fly using corp. song of motion. After being serverly injured in a fight with the impudite Buzz, Kara was bound into a vessel with the form of a recently sacrificed mortal called Linda Danver by Gabriel, for reasons of her own. A gift from Yves allows her to access the memories and skills of Linda. Supergirl, as Kara prefers to be known, continues to pursue those that attempt to escape justice, and to protect the citizens of her new hometown of Leesburg. Lindas' parents have recently discovered that their daughter isn't who she seems to be. Her Father, Fred, has accepted his "new" daughter, her Mother, sylvia has not. And who is the strange little boy who is called Wally by others, but refers to himself as God. He knows too much to be simply a delusional child. Can he really be God? Perhaps Eli or Yves in child form, or maybe even Kobal. Starsurfer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 12:17:56 -0400 From: neel@cswv.com (Neel Krishnaswami) Subject: Re: IN> Various >From: Kevin Walsh > >On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 04:48:10PM -0400, Neel Krishnaswami wrote: >> Kevin Walsh wrote: >> >Cool. Will you give my Seraphim dodge bonuses when they resonate on their >> >opponents with a check digit of 6? >> >> The answer is a qualified yes. If your opponent announced his intentions >> and you divined the Truth of what he was going to do before he actually >> carried it out, then I'd probably give you a Precision roll to see if >> you could react quickly enough to get out of the way. >> >Actually, intentions don't have to be announced verbally. The expanded >rules on the Seraphic resonance state clearly that they can resonate on >actions directed toward them. So if somebody makes a feint (directed at >the Seraph), and they're resonating on that person, they should pick it >up. On a check digit of 4, they should pick up what the other person >actually intends to do. Oogh. You remind me why I don't use the APG's expanded resonance rules. There did not seem to be much thought given to what would happen to the game when players used their powers in creative ways. In general, I think that if you expand a power a certain amount, you expand the scope for tricky ideas a lot more than that. Players think much more about what their characters can do than GMs, and tend to come up with the elegant and obvious tricks that everyone should know. But to me it feels too much like slapping down a smart player if I retroactively decide that defenses against it are in place, or that "everyone knows" that it can be done. I want to /encourage/ players to think hard about the game, not give them the idea that planning and initiative are useless. I bet I ought to have a brainstorming session with my players to figure out what a lot of the "standard tricks" are, so that both PCs and NPCs can function plausibly and consistently. New tricks are new tricks after that point. Maybe around session 3, once everyone has gotten used to the system. (Now I've got that off my chest, for the rest of the post I'm assuming that the APG expansions are in effect.) >One would also assume that Seraphim serving the military archangels get >taught how to do this, and how to react quickly to it, as a matter of >course. Of course this is true. Maybe a Tactics roll, with the check digit being the bonus to dodge? That seems about the right level from a consistency standpoint, though it really hoses Ofanim in spotlight terms. It makes their ability to not be where you were hitting (their Dodge bonus) a lot less special if Seraphim can do it too. >> Note that this means that you could only dodge a physical attack, since >> the combat timing says supernatural powers go before physical ones; > >Not that I have the rules on me, or have had them on me for the past >several weeks, but where does it say this? The only one I remember says >that attunements which aren't always on take effect the turn after they're >invoked, unless otherwise specified. On the step-by-step chart of combat in the GM screen, where it lists the exact sequence of combat. Each type of power acts simultaneously with all other uses of that power, but each type goes off at a different time. >>your opponent actually has to say something relevant for you > >Has to _do_ something relevant. This point bears repeating. > >to resonate on >> it; and you've used your action for the turn resonating instead of >> smiting. >> >No, you can resonate on someone before the combat begins and the resonance >effect lasts for several minutes. This also means, of course, that in most >combats, you'll only be able to pull this trick off against one person. Right. I was incorrectly thinking that you had to make a roll for each statement you resonanted on. Though angels of the sword would get a bigger bonus than anyone else, what with their obsession with honorable duels. I've always wondered why it's Michael and Baal that are super- hostile, rather than Laurence and Baal -- they both focus on a lot of the same things. - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@alum.mit.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 17:19:31 +0100 (BST) From: Warsinger Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition On Wed, 6 May 1998, Anders Gabrielsson wrote: > On Tue, 5 May 1998, Titus 3 11 wrote: > > > Not jaded enough????? > > Well, maybe jaded was the wrong word. Active, maybe? (Hyperactive is more > like it.) I picture Kobal as much more run-down, passive, tired. He's seen > it all, and he doesn't bother enough to do anything, except every once in > a great while when he gets a really good idea... and even then he doesn't > really feel fulfilled afterwards, even if everything works out exactly > like he planned it, or even if it's much better. Leary doesn't project > that. Sounds like what I had in mind too - some of his Servitors will still be the hyperactive mad people type - but Kobal himself, judging by the comments in the books, has maybe gotten slightly bored, and is waiting for inspiration to strike again. I think aargh forgotten his real name - does Mr Bean and Blackadder. The way he did Blackadder, now that's just how I see Kobal. Somebody Atkinson. Warsinger Cute and fluffy....(with claws) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 09:21:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Graveyard Greg Subject: Re: Grand'ma is toast (was Re: IN> Uriel's next assignment) - ---Titus 3 11 wrote: > > > > >All hail the Allfather > > > > Odin? Why would we hail Odin? > > > > -Jesse > > > Poor, confused Jesse...and taken in context of a Preacher discussion... > poor, confused Jesse... > Enosh > (who doesn't dig red ties ONE BIT!) > > Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.....Glad you said it, and not me! Hmmm...Preacher series in an IN NOMINE campaign...would definitely be non-canon... Graveyard Greg _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 17:23:22 +0100 From: "Hart, Joanna" Subject: IN> Dark Humour Attunements > I see this as a challenge! I'm trying to think of replacement attunements > for Dark Humour.. [none of these would ever be balanced enough for canon - > I haven't spent /that/ long thinking about them ;) ] > I was chatting to Kevin about the Prank attunement and how much I dislke it for Dark Humour (on the grounds that cartoon humour is almost straight slapstick and doesn't usually involve clever wordplay, so it fits better with the humour that Haagenti favours). So I wrote up some new Dark Humour attunements which I like better. Punchline is especially mean :) > 1. Curse of Sarcasm > > This attunement allows the user to spend one essence and make a will roll. > If the target fails a will roll then for a number of hours given by the > check digit, everything they say will emerge sounding completely > sarcastic. This is at least as amusing when applied to seraphim as > balseraphs. There is not much point in laying the curse on other demons of > dark humour, because they were probably being sarcastic anyway. > > 2. Punchline > > Similar to Nybbas' subliminal attunement, except that this attunement > allows a message (the punchline) to be embedded in any piece of artwork or > writing which was created or inspired by the demon. The first viewer to > successfully make a perception roll will find the punchline recurring in > their subconscious until they have found a suitable way to excise it, > either by enacting the suggestion or by repeating it several times > accidentally when they had meant to say something else. It can be > something as harmless as 'to get to the other side' or something as > pernicious as 'kill all your children'. Shedim of Dark Humour love this as > a way to 'soften up' a target -- they can show him how to get the words > out of his mind, oh yes. > > 3. Rampant Hysteria > > The demon of dark humour makes a joke, usually at someone else's expense, > and spends a point of essence. The target of the attunement must make a > will roll or collapse in floods of hysterical laughter for a number of > minutes decided by how funny the GM and other players found the joke (from > 1-6, as per a usual check digit). The afflicted must make a successful > will roll to attempt any action other than laughing until the effect wears > off. This can be quite dangerous when applied to bus drivers. If the > target fails a will roll with a check digit of 6 then the laughter is > contagious and may be re-applied to one extra listener who is within > hearing range. > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 12:54:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition > Sounds like what I had in mind too - some of his Servitors will still be > the hyperactive mad people type - but Kobal himself, judging by the > comments in the books, has maybe gotten slightly bored, and is waiting for > inspiration to strike again. > > I think aargh forgotten his real name - does Mr Bean and Blackadder. The > way he did Blackadder, now that's just how I see Kobal. Somebody > Atkinson. > Rowan. And I want a Mr. Bean teddy. :) Of course, I see Kobal as an anime character, at least in celestial form. A very small, thin man, with hard eyes alight with intelligent fire, a certain absolute knowing yet manic. Longish black stringy hair, and dressed in the costume of a Ringleader from a Three Ring Circus. Nice, bright, cheery, and carrying a cane. Of course, the costuming comes entirely from "Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite" off Sgt. Peppers. Em sings, "Messrs. K. and H. assure the public Their production will be second to none And of course Henry The Horse dances the waltz!" Of course, there are no actors who look like this, but if someone knows an anime character, sending it to me direct (zenith@umich.edu) will get you my undying love and devotion. - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 17:56:58 +0100 From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN> Various On Wed, May 06, 1998 at 12:17:56PM -0400, Neel Krishnaswami wrote: > In general, I think that if you expand a power a certain amount, you > expand the scope for tricky ideas a lot more than that. Players think > much more about what their characters can do than GMs, and tend to > come up with the elegant and obvious tricks that everyone should know. > Indeed. More time to focus on one thing, and greater collective intelligence are nice advantages. > I bet I ought to have a brainstorming session with my players to figure > out what a lot of the "standard tricks" are, so that both PCs and NPCs > can function plausibly and consistently. New tricks are new tricks > after that point. Maybe around session 3, once everyone has gotten > used to the system. > That's probably a good idea. I promised various people I'd do up a combat tactics writeup, but I don't have my rulebook for various reason and when I borrowed the various books and did a list of attunements which were conceivably useful in combat I got very dismayed. > >One would also assume that Seraphim serving the military archangels get > >taught how to do this, and how to react quickly to it, as a matter of > >course. > > Of course this is true. Maybe a Tactics roll, with the check digit > being the bonus to dodge? That seems about the right level from a > consistency standpoint, Basically, I'd assume that the only way you can really react to it is, if you're fighting against someone you suspect of being a Seraph, to always make straightforward attacks, because doing otherwise can be a waste of effort. But more generally, there's little sense of descriptive combat in the IN system to the best of my knowledge, so opponents actually feinting is something of a rarity. The only exception I can think of is the Balseraph of the War attunement, and there are arguments for making that impervious to the Seraph resonance, because it's a Balseraph attunement to a Balseraph Word. though it really hoses Ofanim in spotlight > terms. It makes their ability to not be where you were hitting (their > Dodge bonus) a lot less special if Seraphim can do it too. > Well, the Seraph has to have time to activate it beforehand, so it requires that the Seraph expect trouble. And then it's fixed on one person (and not necessarily an opponent either) for the duration of the fight. But Ofanim can keep utilising it against different opponents, and can also use it for other things, so they don't lose that much of the spotlight. Elohim also have a handy resonance for combat, provided they're the ones setting up the ambush (and they can also spot ambushes more easily). It's another of those using an action bits, though. > On the step-by-step chart of combat in the GM screen, where it lists the > exact sequence of combat. Each type of power acts simultaneously with > all other uses of that power, but each type goes off at a different time. > I don't have the GM screen, and have never read through it. > >No, you can resonate on someone before the combat begins and the resonance > >effect lasts for several minutes. This also means, of course, that in most > >combats, you'll only be able to pull this trick off against one person. > > Right. I was incorrectly thinking that you had to make a roll for each > statement you resonanted on. Though angels of the sword would get a > bigger bonus than anyone else, what with their obsession with honorable > duels. It's most useful in duels, and least useful in large firefights with machine guns. Seraphim of the Sword should benefit most, and Seraphim of Trade shouldn't be getting into fights in the first place. I've always wondered why it's Michael and Baal that are super- > hostile, rather than Laurence and Baal -- they both focus on a lot of > the same things. > I think that Laurence has more of a social focus than either Michael or Baal, who are almost entirely military. Certainly I'd think it plausible that Laurence would have a number of Servitors doing social work with a religious slant. Of course, he is Baal's opposite number in the command structures. Kevin Walsh, Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. - -- "In the period of dictatorship, surrounded on all sides by enemies, we sometimes manifested unnecessary leniency and unnecessary softheartedness." N.V. Krylenko. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #758 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.