From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed May 6 15:05:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03141 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:05:54 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id OAA01916 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 6 May 1998 14:53:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 14:53:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199805061953.OAA01916@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #759 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, May 6 1998 Volume 01 : Number 759 In this digest: Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition Re: IN> Dark Humour Attunements Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition Re: Petition (Was Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition) Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition Re: IN> Re: your mail Re: IN> Uriel's next assignment Re: IN> Wandering Cherubim Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition Re: IN> Lying (was Re: IN> Seraphim and the TRUTH. (help!) Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition Re: IN> Supergirl: Kara Ofanim of Gabriel Re: IN> Jordi's big move RE: IN> Dark Humour Attunements Re: IN> Supergirl: Kara Ofanim of Gabriel Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition Re: IN> djinn and healing IN> In the hands of Angels... Re: IN> Lying (was Re: IN> Seraphim and the TRUTH. (help!) Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition Re: IN> In the hands of Angels... Re: IN> Supergirl: Kara Ofanim of Gabriel Re: IN> In the hands of Angels... Re: IN> In the hands of Angels... Re: IN> Lying (was Re: IN> Seraphim and the TRUTH. (help!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 18:01:02 +0100 From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition On Wed, May 06, 1998 at 05:19:31PM +0100, Warsinger wrote: > > I think aargh forgotten his real name - does Mr Bean and Blackadder. The > way he did Blackadder, now that's just how I see Kobal. Somebody > Atkinson. > I hate one-line posts normally, but he's called Rowan Atkinson. And I think he'd make a respectable Kobal in his Blackadder persona. It's a shame I can't remember some of his lines, or indeed any. I also say no to Jim Carrey, and don't know enough about the other candidates. Kevin Walsh, Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. - -- "In the period of dictatorship, surrounded on all sides by enemies, we sometimes manifested unnecessary leniency and unnecessary softheartedness." N.V. Krylenko. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:03:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Dark Humour Attunements All I can say is.... JO, I WORSHIP BEFORE YOUR MIGHTINESS! I'M NOT WORTHY! I'M NOT WORTHY! *bow* *bow* *bow* You are most excellent. I am nothing in the glory of your presence. - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:21:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Matt 'Badger' Rossi III" Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition > > On Wed, May 06, 1998 at 05:19:31PM +0100, Warsinger wrote: > > > > I think aargh forgotten his real name - does Mr Bean and Blackadder. The > > way he did Blackadder, now that's just how I see Kobal. Somebody > > Atkinson. > > > I hate one-line posts normally, but he's called Rowan Atkinson. And I > think he'd make a respectable Kobal in his Blackadder persona. It's a > shame I can't remember some of his lines, or indeed any. "Baldrick, you wouldn't know a subtle plan if it was dancing naked on top of a harpsichord, waving a candleabra and singing 'Subtle plans are here again.'" Yes, Edmund Blackadder would make a smashing Kobal. > > I also say no to Jim Carrey, and don't know enough about the other > candidates. > > Kevin Walsh, Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. > -- > "In the period of dictatorship, surrounded on all sides by enemies, we > sometimes manifested unnecessary leniency and unnecessary softheartedness." > N.V. Krylenko. > Badger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 18:24:29 +0100 () From: "David.Evans" Subject: Re: Petition (Was Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition) Richard "Mr. Uriel" Grant sic scribit: > > On Wed, 6 May 1998, Casca wrote: > > > > Hasn't this Nit-picking thing gone far enough? > > > > If, however, you would like to sign a petition I have just now created, > > called "Please make the Servitors of Nitpicking shut up NOW", I would be > > more than happy to add your name to the list. > > Here's my signature. I'm tired of scrolling through pages of useless > junk, only to find that there was nothing of any real use at all. I > thought the abortion thread was less annoying. > To use an over-used phrase, "me too!" ;-) Seriously though folks, could those people posting *please* consider very carefully whether what they're sending to the list is _relevant_. Fluff is fine in moderation - especially if those who post fluff label it as such in the first place. Let's all try and keep the signal to noise ratio on this mailing list *UP* people. If you don't... I might have to resurrect DOMINIC.NET again! <*jarring chord*> <*evil laugh...*> Be seeing you... David. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 13:35:50 -0400 From: Jesse Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition >Of course, I see Kobal as an anime character, at least in celestial form. >A very small, thin man, with hard eyes alight with intelligent fire, a >certain absolute knowing yet manic. Longish black stringy hair, and >dressed in the costume of a Ringleader from a Three Ring Circus. Nice, >bright, cheery, and carrying a cane. Of course, the costuming comes >entirely from "Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite" off Sgt. Peppers. I still like Krusty the Clown as Kobal, or maybe the Computer from Paranoia, atleast when Kobal is lamponing Dominic or the Demon of the Game. - -Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 12:43:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Titus 3 11 Subject: Re: IN> Re: your mail what i'm thinking is that they aren't *allowed* to ignore human society, but *forced* to, which can make them very difficult in urban/suburban/rural settings - anywhere they and the servitors of other angels need to interact with humanity of course, i'm even more frightened of seraphim of jordi...not only do they not understand humans they dont *care*. ensoh On Wed, 6 May 1998, Doubting Eric wrote: > On Wed, 6 May 1998, Titus 3 11 wrote: > > I"m a little confused as to the playablity of servitors of Jordi...just > > what are they allowed to do? > > Enosh > > Note that their dissonance condition states that "Jordi's angels cannot > allow themselves to be swayed by the concerns of human society, its rules > or its expectations of behavior." > > So the answer is, pretty much anything /except/ concern themselves with > humanity over animal life (or be messy and cruel when they kill, but > angels are /never/ messy and cruel. :) > > This says /nothing/ about valuing Heavenly matters above animalkind, or > the celestial aspects of the War. Keep this in mind, and they can do quite > a bit.[*] > > Eric, Elohite of Orc > > [*] cf: Hitherby in Fiat Justitia. YABP > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 12:44:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Titus 3 11 Subject: Re: IN> Uriel's next assignment so, the Sabbat has come to town? enosh On Wed, 6 May 1998, Jens Alm wrote: > >On Mon, 4 May 1998, Bob the Dancing Monkey wrote: > > > >> Which brings me to something I've been thinking about - has anyone > >> attempted to pull Illuminati resources into In Nomine? One interesting > >> twist on the Secret Society concept is conspiracies being an attempt by > >> certain mortals to wrest control of the Great War from the celestials. Of > >> course, Malphas has had his finger in it for a long time... > > > >I've thought about doing this with Sorcerers, but I haven't gotten around > >to doing anything concrete yet. I've got some ideas for an occult society > >in my IN version of Uppsala... founded by that Saminga Renegade I've > >mentioned before. ;) > > > > > I have an idea for a secret society yet to come IMC (I want my players to get a grasp of Illuminati reality before I go and change it :). They call themselves the Templars and they have a very intricate and far-reaching powerstructure, including the governments of several western countries. Their mission seems to be to rid the world of demons, so far so good, however, they seem to have their philosophies all mixed up, as they don't differentiate between diabolics and angels. All celestials are their target, although they will only try to kill angels who step in their way, demons they hunt. > > Dominics official take on this is of course that the organization is twisted by the diabolics. The "demon killings" are all arranged for appearance only, probably its Asmodeus who's behind it all and the killed demons are renegades. Recently however, a triad searching for an angel fallen to Asmodeus found some information, indicating that Asmodeus believes this organization to be founded and supported by Michael. Dominic of course knows better than to believe anything found in the lairs of Asmodeus, but somewhere inside, suspicion is rising. > > What is the real power behind the organization? Nobody knows. What is known is that it is immensely powerful. These humans are not Soldiers of God or Hell, yet they are able to take on celestials and they are frighteningly successful. They have in their possession several very powerful relics (included, according to rumor, the holy Grail). They are somehow able to use Songs, whether by artifacts or by their own will. One templar will not stand a chance against a celestial in fair combat. However, they are never alone and they never fight fair, indeed they are sometimes more cunning than the demons they fight. Also, they have support in a powerstructure of unknown size and quality. Somehow these soldiers never get caught alive to be interrogated by a Seraph, they never become possessed by a Shedite or Kyriotate. If they try, the celestial is temporarily blinded by a golden light and then expelled, often stunned. > > Rumors and whispers in the celestial realms talk of some ancient Etherial spirit behind the Templars, some say its Toth, from ancient Egypt, some certify that it is Tiamat, the dragon of time. Another power mentioned is Uriel, unable to work with the angelic host, he now uses his own forces. > > /Jens > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 18:47:07 +0000 (GMT) From: "The blue eyes, the leather, some guys just like leather" Subject: Re: IN> Wandering Cherubim >It all depends on the GM well I'm the Gm so I'll probably allow it. I just wondered if anyone had thought about this and come up with a good system for it. Cannon or otherwise Starsurfer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 12:49:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Titus 3 11 Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition On Wed, 6 May 1998, Casca wrote: > On Tue, 5 May 1998, Kevin Walsh wrote: > > > > You're walking on thin ice, Jo... > > > > Shouldn't you specify that it's metaphorical thin ice? Of course, Michael > > does go around calling Dominic a hyena. > > Some things are considered understood and therefore need not be said, > such as the implied subject "you" in the statement "Go take a flying leap." > > >> *wields flaming sword menacingly* > > > > > Be careful about where you wave that thing. Do you really want to do it in > > the Library? > > Of course. It's a -metaphorical- flaming sword. yeah, you know what? I've got a *giant* flaming sword, and I'm gonna take it to your library, and i'm gonna take it to the battlegrounds, and i'm gonna swing it around and kick the crap out of the next person who thinks I want *wine* and where the *Hell* is John Wayne?!?!?!? And turn off that damned music! This.... - -quoted from what Dennis Leary is gonna say when he dies.. > > > > Beth likes Malakim with Good Views. I like Ivanova for the same reasons. > > > > Frankly, if not for the fact that by this stage I don't expect anything > > better from the forces of Heaven, I would be dismayed. Imagine allowing > > your objectivity, which should be sacred, to be influenced by the sight of > > some woman's curves. It just goes to show how false their claims of moral > > superiority really are. > > Do I LOOK like an Elohite? No. I'm a Seraph, and we're entitled to be as > opinionated as we damn well please. mmmm...i'm a malakite...not only can I be opinionated, I 'm good at enforcing that opinion ... for your own good, sinner... Come to break the bones of your sin, meat-puppet... Enosh > > And I will be forwarding a copy of of your deleterious statement > regarding the objectivity of your Princess to the requisite authorities. > > -- Casca, Seraph of Archives > (bertishg@db.erau.edu) > > "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of > His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: > with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their > feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the > doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." > -- Isaiah 6:2,4 > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 12:51:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Titus 3 11 Subject: Re: IN> Lying (was Re: IN> Seraphim and the TRUTH. (help!) I am a Seraph. You Nit-pick too much. (Look! I didn't get any dissonance! I must be a Seraph!) Let it *go* people and others Enosh On Wed, 6 May 1998, Kevin Walsh wrote: > On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 11:57:35PM +0200, Anders Gabrielsson wrote: > > > And Seraphim of the Wind do that endemically. It's what their Choir > > > attunement makes them do. It's not dissonant for Seraphim to deceive > > > people in that fashion, because it's still truth. And some Seraphim think > > > of very creative ways to make sure what they say will be misinterpreted. > > > > To get another WoT parallell into this, this is how the Aes Sedai get > > around their magically enforced vow to not lie. > > > I go to the WoT for inspiration on this sometimes. Don't forget that Galad > does it as well, and has provided a classic of the genre. "When I came to > this table, I thought I knew these people, etc.", and conveniently > omitting to mention the fact that he had been absolutely correct. > > > I can well imagine that a Seraph with a few centuries of practice will be > > good enough at this that he can say things that almost everyone would take > > to mean something quite different. :) > > > Oh, yes. A lot of them wouldn't like doing it, of course. > > > Another problem with this is that there really aren't any uniform > > languages - every person has his/her own personal language, that usually > > has a pretty big overlap with most people around him/her, but may also > > have significant differences, due to, for example, misunderstandings of > > the general usage of a word. > > What it comes down to is this. Most people don't speak the Truth, even > when they think they are. A lot of expressions don't literally mean what > people think they mean, or mean the opposite to what people think they > mean. So a Seraph can use the literal meaning of one of those expressions > to deceive someone. The corollary is that they can't use them in the > normal way without adding disclaimers such as "so to speak" and "as the > saying goes". Seraphim do not speak the same language as anyone except > other Seraphim. > > How does this affect Seraphim? Can they use this to consciously > > decieve people? ("He seems to think that this word means X while I take it > > to mean Y, so I can make him believe that I am saying something I am > > not.") I'd say no - this is "active" deception, and that should not be > > allowed, or any Seraph could create his own language and go around lying > > left, right and center. > > I'd say yes, provided the use of that word is supported by the language as > a whole. A Seraph can't invent a meaning for a word with intent to > deceive, but can take advantage of alternate meanings that already exist. > There's an example in the story I posted up not too long ago, where a > Seraph is playing poker, and bluffing. The Seraph said explicitly that she > has a good hand, referring, in fact, to one of the hands that are on the > ends of her arms. IMO, this sort of thing isn't dissonant. My general test > is that if it can be understood, given a logical analysis of what > something means, that it doesn't mean what you might think it means, that > it's all right for a Seraph to say it. > > Other Seraph tricks are demonic inconsistency (which is a bit dubious), > and disconnected statements, eg "I love In Nomine. It has a system which > is really easy to abuse.", which conveys the impression that the speaker > loves In Nomine because the system is open to abuse, but doesn't > necessarily mean that. > > Kevin Walsh, Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. > -- > "In the period of dictatorship, surrounded on all sides by enemies, we > sometimes manifested unnecessary leniency and unnecessary softheartedness." > N.V. Krylenko. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 12:51:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Titus 3 11 Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition My sword will swing for that cause Enosh On Wed, 6 May 1998, Casca wrote: > On Tue, 5 May 1998, Jesse wrote: > > > Hasn't this Nit-picking thing gone far enough? > > Of course it has. One week into it was far enough. We are now so far past > far enough that we have crossed into the realm of screamingly annoying, > and I believe the topic will linger there until someone -- most likely me -- > snaps and flames someone. This will result in my chastisement and general > censure from the list, and the guilty parties will lie low for about a week > before starting the whole madding process up again. > > If, however, you would like to sign a petition I have just now created, > called "Please make the Servitors of Nitpicking shut up NOW", I would be > more than happy to add your name to the list. > > -- Casca, Seraph of Archives and founder of the PMtSoNSUN! crusade > (bertishg@db.erau.edu) > > "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of > His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: > with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their > feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the > doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." > -- Isaiah 6:2,4 > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 12:53:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Titus 3 11 Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition Claudia Christian is Micheal...she is. Stop nit-picking, stop argueing, stop fluffing... just let it go and tear up the next person who suggests Jim Carrey for Kobal...They deserve it. Enosh On Wed, 6 May 1998, Casca wrote: > On Tue, 5 May 1998, Jo Hart wrote: > > > Maybe Malakim with Good Views can't act either ;-) [Then again, maybe they > > don't need to!] > > No, they don't, but I hold that Claudia Christian -cna- act, thank you > very much, and would appreciate it if you wouldn't cast disparaging > remarks at my One True Love. > > > You want to be careful with that flaming sword near all that thin ice... > > I didn't say -I- was on the ice, now did I? ;;;) > > -- Casca, Seraph of Archives > (bertishg@db.erau.edu) > > "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of > His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: > with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their > feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the > doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." > -- Isaiah 6:2,4 > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:53:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Graveyard Greg Subject: Re: IN> Supergirl: Kara Ofanim of Gabriel - ---"The blue eyes, the leather, some guys just like leather" wrote: > > Kara - Ofanim of Gabriel. > Cor Eth Cel > 3 3 3 > 8 str 5 int 8 per > 4 agl 9 pre 4 wil > > Atunements: > ofanim of Gabriel > smite (streams of fire from eyes) > varient of Kyriotate of Destiny > > Vesel /3 charisma/1 (sex appeal, both sexes) > Role /6 status /2 Linda Danvers, artist (sculpture) > Discord: Bound/5 > > Skills > Fighting /3 > Lying /1 > Tracking /1 > Artistry /3 (sculpture/2 drawing /1) > > Songs: > corporeal song of form /2 (slightly tougher than normal) > celestial song of form /2 (allowing her to morph from Linda to supergirl) > corporeal song of motion /3 (flight) > etherial song of motion /2 (Telekinesis) > celestial song of motion /1 (teleportation) > numinous corpus - wings of fire /1 > Note. wings of fire is considered weapon, not flight aid. Supergirl can only > fly using corp. song of motion. > > After being serverly injured in a fight with the impudite Buzz, Kara was bound > into a vessel with the form of a recently sacrificed mortal called Linda Danver > by Gabriel, for reasons of her own. A gift from Yves allows her to access the > memories and skills of Linda. > Supergirl, as Kara prefers to be known, continues to pursue those that attempt > to escape justice, and to protect the citizens of her new hometown of Leesburg. > Lindas' parents have recently discovered that their daughter isn't who she seems > to be. Her Father, Fred, has accepted his "new" daughter, her Mother, sylvia has > not. > And who is the strange little boy who is called Wally by others, but refers to > himself as God. He knows too much to be simply a delusional child. > Can he really be God? Perhaps Eli or Yves in child form, or maybe even Kobal. > > > Starsurfer > :) I like....except I still wonder how Supergirl can BE an angel, but this is not the place for such a discussion... Still, I would love to know--considering I knew her origin during the Byrne-Superman era... Graveyard Greg _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 12:55:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Titus 3 11 Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's big move On Wed, 6 May 1998, Kevin Walsh wrote: > On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 09:31:57PM -0400, Pee Kitty wrote: > > On Mon, 4 May 1998, Kevin Walsh wrote: > > > > > Dissonant. A Djinn can't ask someone else to get rid of an object of their > > > attunement, though they can make hints, like "I'm really sick of being > > > attuned to X, and if you do me a favour, I'll give you this relic." > > > "What sort of favour?" > > > "I can't say." > > > > Says who? > > Me. And, I believe, canon as well. > > It says a Djinn cannot being himself to harm the object, but the > > netreps on this list have made it QUITE clear that he can stand by and let > > his friends do the whomping. It's not dissonant at all. > > > The example I gave was an example of standing by and letting someone else > do the whomping, if a bit dubious. However, saying "I want you to kill > this guy" is not standing by, it is instigating direct harm to the > object of attunement. Nah...they can easily tell the squad of Game - boys ther're working with - hey, joy boy the traitor's over there. Go clean his cloc for me, all right? Or just as easily, tell the PCs to wipe him up.......... They just can't put a knife intheguy! Enosh Djinn can tell someone that the fixation is > somewhere in the sure knowledge that that person will take out the > fixation, but can't say "I want you to go to wherever in order to take out > the fixation." It's a thin line, but it's there. > > Kevin Walsh, Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. > -- > "In the period of dictatorship, surrounded on all sides by enemies, we > sometimes manifested unnecessary leniency and unnecessary softheartedness." > N.V. Krylenko. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 13:15:33 EST From: "Perry M. Lloyd" Subject: RE: IN> Dark Humour Attunements >> I see this as a challenge! I'm trying to think of replacement attunements >> for Dark Humour.. [none of these would ever be balanced enough for canon - >> I haven't spent /that/ long thinking about them ;) ] > >I was chatting to Kevin about the Prank attunement and how much I dislke it >for Dark Humour (on the grounds that cartoon humour is almost straight >slapstick and doesn't usually involve clever wordplay, so it fits better >with the humour that Haagenti favours). So I wrote up some new Dark Humour >attunements which I like better. Punchline is especially mean :) I also like these a bit better. Makes Kobol more... demomic and evil... not to mention subtly more dangerous. > 1. Curse of Sarcasm > > This attunement allows the user to spend one essence and make a will roll. > If the target fails a will roll then for a number of hours given by the > check digit, everything they say will emerge sounding completely > sarcastic. This is at least as amusing when applied to seraphim as > balseraphs. There is not much point in laying the curse on other demons of > dark humour, because they were probably being sarcastic anyway. Reeks of Malphas... I like it... heh... > 2. Punchline > > Similar to Nybbas' subliminal attunement, except that this attunement > allows a message (the punchline) to be embedded in any piece of artwork or > writing which was created or inspired by the demon. The first viewer to > successfully make a perception roll will find the punchline recurring in > their subconscious until they have found a suitable way to excise it, > either by enacting the suggestion or by repeating it several times > accidentally when they had meant to say something else. It can be > something as harmless as 'to get to the other side' or something as > pernicious as 'kill all your children'. Shedim of Dark Humour love this as > a way to 'soften up' a target -- they can show him how to get the words > out of his mind, oh yes. Oh, yes... And isn't it *funny* how they will do the most interesting things to get something out of their head... heh, heh... > 3. Rampant Hysteria > > The demon of dark humour makes a joke, usually at someone else's expense, > and spends a point of essence. The target of the attunement must make a > will roll or collapse in floods of hysterical laughter for a number of > minutes decided by how funny the GM and other players found the joke (from > 1-6, as per a usual check digit). The afflicted must make a successful > will roll to attempt any action other than laughing until the effect wears > off. This can be quite dangerous when applied to bus drivers. If the > target fails a will roll with a check digit of 6 then the laughter is > contagious and may be re-applied to one extra listener who is within > hearing range. Now THIS is funny. Imagine a freeway and a single victim with a megaphone duct-taped to his face. Tied to the bridge, he laughs and laughs. The drivers below hear his laughter; some cannot help but join in... Now that's a laugh. >:) - -Perry Perry M. Lloyd Traveler Quote as of right now: "Hey, we got TL 17 mushrooms!" - Erik(?) The Soldiers of Linn webpage: (*so* not updated) http://159.28.171.24/sol ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 19:22:05 +0000 (GMT) From: "The blue eyes, the leather, some guys just like leather" Subject: Re: IN> Supergirl: Kara Ofanim of Gabriel If you read the comic you'll find that she is an angel now. matrix merged with Linda to save her life and ended up becomeing Linda. Lind tuned out to be seriously baaaaaaad. aparantly "An earth born angel is believed to be created when one person selflessly sacrifices himself or herself for the purpose of saving one, who is in every way, beyond hope" but, I digress. starsurfer ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:21:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Titus 3 11 Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition On Wed, 6 May 1998, Kevin Walsh wrote: > On Wed, May 06, 1998 at 05:18:08AM -0400, Casca wrote: > > > Shouldn't you specify that it's metaphorical thin ice? Of course, Michael > > > does go around calling Dominic a hyena. > > > > Some things are considered understood and therefore need not be said, > > such as the implied subject "you" in the statement "Go take a flying leap." > > > I don't think that the analogy is a good one. An imperative statement > without an object is frankly ridiculous. But thin ice can certainly > literally exist, and is not necessarily metaphorical. > > > >> *wields flaming sword menacingly* > > > > > > > Be careful about where you wave that thing. Do you really want to do it in > > > the Library? > > > > Of course. It's a -metaphorical- flaming sword. > > > What do metaphorical flaming swords do, or do I really want to know? > > > > > Beth likes Malakim with Good Views. I like Ivanova for the same reasons. > > > > > > Frankly, if not for the fact that by this stage I don't expect anything > > > better from the forces of Heaven, I would be dismayed. Imagine allowing > > > your objectivity, which should be sacred, to be influenced by the sight of > > > some woman's curves. It just goes to show how false their claims of moral > > > superiority really are. > > > > Do I LOOK like an Elohite? No. I'm a Seraph, and we're entitled to be as > > opinionated as we damn well please. > > > But you shouldn't allow extraneous facts to interfere with your judgement > of the Truth. Are you suggesting that the truth is not objective? > > > And I will be forwarding a copy of of your deleterious statement > > regarding the objectivity of your Princess to the requisite authorities. > > > Are you sure it was my Princess and not your Archangel I was referring to? > And it was not a statement, nor was it even an inference. IIRC, Beth never > said that Malakim should be played because they're sexy, though it might > have been implied. > > -- > "In the period of dictatorship, surrounded on all sides by enemies, we > sometimes manifested unnecessary leniency and unnecessary softheartedness." > N.V. Krylenko. > 1)Flaming swords of any nature are used to keep people warm and to cut demons into little tiny pieces, in that order. 2)I believe my angelic comrade was simply quoting the Demon Princess of Nit-Picking when he stated that he liked Ivanova for her the same reason the DP liked Malakim - they have good views. If that is simply an innocent statement, unrelated to attractivness except by implication, then the same would apply to the statment made by my comrade. If it was a statement regarding the physical desirablity of Malakim, then perhaps the Game has some things to discuss with your Princess and any supporters who have put loyalty to Hell before common sense. Enosh Malakite ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 13:23:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Titus 3 11 Subject: Re: IN> djinn and healing On Wed, 6 May 1998, Kevin Walsh wrote: > On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 06:43:49PM -0700, David M. Barr wrote: > > My thoughts are along the fact that Djinn are also allowed to attune to > > objects and places. So, for example, they could attune to a sword, and > > arrange for that sword to be given to someone they wanted to hurt. No > > problems. Or, instead of a sord, a ring. a jacket. > > Imagine a Djinn as a pawn shop owner... > > Absolutely right. Of course, you can't be sure that they'll always carry > the object (though Ethereal attraction might be good here; I say might > because I haven't had the rulebook for several weeks and can't remember if > you can use it to make people obsess about objects). Or of course it could > be stolen. > > > IN the IPG, itsays that a Djinn whohas harmed the object of his attunement > > can remove the dissonace by undoing the hardm he has done. (Song of > > healing) My question therefore is, would the corp song of healing work on > > an inanimate object? > > No reason why not, but why does the Djinn bother harming an inanimate > object? Because they are demons, and enjoy destruction of all types. Your lack of understanding of Diabolic goals should perhaps be brough to the attention of the Game. Immediatly. Enosh > > Kevin Walsh, Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. > -- > "In the period of dictatorship, surrounded on all sides by enemies, we > sometimes manifested unnecessary leniency and unnecessary softheartedness." > N.V. Krylenko. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:30:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Matt 'Badger' Rossi III" Subject: IN> In the hands of Angels... Something that's been occuring to me lately: I like playing IN, and I think it's one of the more interesting games out there..but I never, ever, EVER play anything infernal. EVER. The idea of it makes me cringe...I've layed a Malakite of Gabriel, an Elohite of Lawrence, a Seraph of Novalis, and a Grigori Outcast who formerly served Typhonioi, the Grigori Archangel in my game...but never anything on the infernal side. The idea doesn't even appeal to me. (Hell, my Malakite had a bitch of a time in Austin...) I'm wondering, fo those of you that prefer the inferbnal side of things, why? Mind you, this isn't a judgement thing...I'm seriously interested in your answers. Badger Currently playing Ranger, the Angel of Backfire Malakite servant of Gabriel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:46:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Graveyard Greg Subject: Re: IN> Lying (was Re: IN> Seraphim and the TRUTH. (help!) - ---Titus 3 11 wrote: > > I am a Seraph. > You Nit-pick too much. > (Look! I didn't get any dissonance! I must be a Seraph!) > Let it *go* people > and others > Enosh Hah! I know for a fact that you are a Malakite! Either that, or you're a Balseraph...So of course you didn't get any dissonance. :) Graveyard Greg - --who would rather be a nit-picker than a NOSE-picker! LOL! _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 20:50:41 +0200 (DFT) From: Anders Gabrielsson Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Audition On Wed, 6 May 1998, Kevin Walsh wrote: > On Wed, May 06, 1998 at 07:40:51AM -0700, Jason Corley wrote: > > > > Depending on the grammatical theory you adhere to, an imperative can have > > > > an elliptic (I think that's what you call it in English - it means the > > > > subject, in this case, is there in some sense, but isn't expressed) > > > > subject, or simply be without subject. > > > > > > > Maybe I'm being stupid but I can't imagine how that works. Could you > > > enlighten me? > > > > Look out!!!!!!!!!(etc.) > > > > That of course means: "You get out!" or "You look out!" > > > I assumed that that was what was meant by an elliptic, but I think of the > implied "you" as being a subject. Well, that's where the theories differ. Grammatical theories aren't always intuitive. :) I'm not sure if calling the implied subject (if there is one) of an imperative elliptic, but it was the closest I could think of. A more typical example would be the following: "Laurence hates demons and loves swords." Laurence is the subject of both "hates" and "loves", but the subject is elliptic for "loves" - that is, it's not expressed at the surface structure. (I hope I'm not making a complete fool of myself here - I study linguistics, but I'm not completely sure of the terminology, and English is only my second language.) Anders Gabrielsson anders@stp.ling.uu.se The contents of this message belong to me and nobody else. So there! "I kick arse for the Lord!" - Father McGruder ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:50:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Graveyard Greg Subject: Re: IN> In the hands of Angels... - ---Matt 'Badger' Rossi III wrote: > > Something that's been occuring to me lately: > > > I'm wondering, fo those of you that prefer the inferbnal side of > things, why? Mind you, this isn't a judgement thing...I'm seriously > interested in your answers. > > Badger > Maybe for the same reason people play Dungeon Keeper..Evil is just so darned GOOD sometimes! ;) Graveyard Greg _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:53:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Graveyard Greg Subject: Re: IN> Supergirl: Kara Ofanim of Gabriel - ---"The blue eyes, the leather, some guys just like leather" wrote: > > If you read the comic you'll find that she is an angel now. > matrix merged with Linda to save her life and ended up becomeing Linda. Lind tuned out to be seriously baaaaaaad. > aparantly "An earth born angel is believed to be created when one person selflessly sacrifices himself or herself for the purpose of saving one, who is in every way, beyond hope" > > but, I digress. > > starsurfer > Ah, I don't get the title, but now it makes sense...She BECAME an angel..Good old Peter David comes through again! Sorry about the off topic, guys...We now resume our normal topic Graveyard Greg _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 14:52:05 -0400 From: Jesse Subject: Re: IN> In the hands of Angels... Does anyone know of any games being run in Central Mass or prehaps Boston? I will be moving back soon, hope to get into playing In Nomine again. - -Jesse ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 21:19:20 +0200 (DFT) From: Anders Gabrielsson Subject: Re: IN> In the hands of Angels... As I've mentioned earlier, I've played a demon once, and it scared me. Really. *shudders* But then, a Habbalite of Malphas isn't the nicest demon to play, I guess. :) Anders Gabrielsson anders@stp.ling.uu.se The contents of this message belong to me and nobody else. So there! "I kick arse for the Lord!" - Father McGruder ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 21:38:40 +0200 (DFT) From: Anders Gabrielsson Subject: Re: IN> Lying (was Re: IN> Seraphim and the TRUTH. (help!) On Wed, 6 May 1998, Kevin Walsh wrote: > On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 11:57:35PM +0200, Anders Gabrielsson wrote: > > I can well imagine that a Seraph with a few centuries of practice will be > > good enough at this that he can say things that almost everyone would take > > to mean something quite different. :) > > > Oh, yes. A lot of them wouldn't like doing it, of course. True. ;) > > Another problem with this is that there really aren't any uniform > > languages - every person has his/her own personal language, that usually > > has a pretty big overlap with most people around him/her, but may also > > have significant differences, due to, for example, misunderstandings of > > the general usage of a word. > > What it comes down to is this. Most people don't speak the Truth, even > when they think they are. A lot of expressions don't literally mean what > people think they mean, or mean the opposite to what people think they > mean. So a Seraph can use the literal meaning of one of those expressions > to deceive someone. The corollary is that they can't use them in the > normal way without adding disclaimers such as "so to speak" and "as the > saying goes". Seraphim do not speak the same language as anyone except > other Seraphim. This would make it a real pain in a certain body part to play a Seraph, unless you're very much aware of what you're saying. Plus, of course, the fact that what is literal and not changes too. A mouse was once a small, furry animal. Then someone created an aid for using computers, which looked somewhat like a mouse, and called it that. And he saw that it was good. (Where did that come from?) Anyway, these days, if you talk about a mouse, (some) people think of the computer device first when they hear the word "mouse" - the literal meaning, in some sense, has changed to include this mechanical thingy. > How does this affect Seraphim? Can they use this to consciously > > decieve people? ("He seems to think that this word means X while I take it > > to mean Y, so I can make him believe that I am saying something I am > > not.") I'd say no - this is "active" deception, and that should not be > > allowed, or any Seraph could create his own language and go around lying > > left, right and center. > > I'd say yes, provided the use of that word is supported by the language as > a whole. A Seraph can't invent a meaning for a word with intent to > deceive, but can take advantage of alternate meanings that already exist. My point was that there is no "language as a whole". There are only the languages of individuals, which sometimes have great similarities. And people invent new meanings for words all the time! I do agree with your examples, though. Those are legitimate, if naughty, ways to evade lying. IMO, angels and demons should be able to speak any earthly language, but that's just an atmosphere thing, and rather irrelevant for the discussion at hand. :) Anders Gabrielsson anders@stp.ling.uu.se The contents of this message belong to me and nobody else. So there! "I kick arse for the Lord!" - Father McGruder ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #759 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.