From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Jul 20 14:23:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA11486 for ; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:23:23 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id OAA17937 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:09:10 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:09:10 -0500 Message-Id: <199807201909.OAA17937@lists.io.com> X-Authentication-Warning: lists.io.com: majordom set sender to owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com using -f From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #868 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, July 20 1998 Volume 01 : Number 868 In this digest: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest 854 Re: IN> Patrick's Homegrown IN LARP System (Part 0) Re: IN> Re: Servitors of Dominic Who Go too far; the creator speaks Re: IN> Tether net-book (Re: Tether Sourcebook) Re: IN> Impudites and Mercurians (Re: Word-Bound Servitors of David) IN> Re: Take cover!!! Re: IN> Impudites and Mercurians (Re: Word-Bound Servitors of David) Re: IN> Impudites and Mercurians Re: IN> IN: the Temple RE: IN> In Nomine Mix Re: IN> Tether net-book (Re: Tether Sourcebook) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 10:26:22 PDT From: "Martin Arnold" Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest 854 From digest 854… >Some interesting points, but I think you are all missing an important >aspect: From the Devins perspective, at least, The AAs are fighting >a war against their brothers and sisters, in some cases their >lovers. In the case of a Bright victory, They might celebrate at >first, but then they would indeed mourn their fallen foe. Remember >that God's love is unconditional, He loves Lucifer, He wishes that >he (Luie) would quit this silly posturing and come home, but He >still loves him. I think that the AAs, once they got passed the 'we >won' stage will realize what they just did. >Remember: It's not their fault, their only actors. >tom What’s the Devin’s perspective (what’s a ‘Devin’?). however, this was basically what I was saying, although I wouldn’t like to make any assumptions as to the relationship between God and Lucifer - it only spoils things that way. But you’re right about God’s love being unconditional, the same goes for AA’s like Novalis, etc. Perhaps Lucifer feels the same way as you say God does (i.e. he wishes God and co. would stop their silly posturing and come home!) On a completely different topic (Angels serving saints)this by Earl: >Left-over fans of Uriel would like St. George... I think that St George is an AA in the French version (I think it’s him!) Marnie "we are spirits, in the material world…" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 17:14:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Pee Kitty Subject: Re: IN> Patrick's Homegrown IN LARP System (Part 0) On Sun, 19 Jul 1998, Patrick O'Duffy wrote: > With all the talk recently about live-action IN, I thought I'd dust > off the notes I made some months ago towards an IN LARP system. > Well, those notes got junked, it turned out, so I rewrote them and > thought I'd post them. All feedback greatly appreciated. I liked it! Good job on the mechanics. I definitely wouldn't use Kyrios or Shedim if I were running it; too much trouble. Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian Meow! ::: Official Martyr of X-Day! ::: Visit #subgenii on irc.sorcery.net - it's a beautiful place ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jul 1998 13:25:10 +0100 From: Roland Ward Subject: Re: IN> Re: Servitors of Dominic Who Go too far; the creator speaks > This is part of my "Fill in the blanks with anything, until SJGames > fills them in for > you" philosophy of nailing rules lawyers to the wall. > > Right about now, I've a bunch of nails in one hand, and a hammer in > the other, and I'm saying "You think you've found a loophole? Would > you mind standing over there please? Against the wall?" > > -Jayson Well surely lawyers are all pretty much "players of the game" and so hopelessly demonic I think any angels rules-mongering would fall automatically. Yes I think any Traid activities like this would be picked up by Asmodeus who would find the chance to turn even one of the three far too tempting not to give them a personal visit... Also remember that if one of the celestials that were executed unjustly then guess what other AA would come round knocking for revenge... Roland ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:34:34 +0100 From: "Hart, Joanna" Subject: Re: IN> Tether net-book (Re: Tether Sourcebook) >There's a real official book in the works -- though a collection of >additional Tethers might be worthwhile, it might be worth waiting a bit >for the Tether book to come out before everyone goes off creating a lot >of Tethers for a net-book. I have this vision of putting together a travelogue from the p.o.v of a theft demon along the lines of 'Around the World in 80 Tethers' ;-) ;-) I did scribble some ideas down for London (I think someone else had some ideas on the INC for more London tether-stuff) and I remember Evan did some neat Australian ones. But I'd be tempted to wait to plunder neat features from the tether book first. jo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 09:23:19 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Impudites and Mercurians (Re: Word-Bound Servitors of David) Does Impudite behavior become more understandable if one regards them as *addicted* to swiping Essence? From what I head, a solidly addicted coke-head would be really agonized to see a quantity of cocaine destroyed before him. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 98 08:36:13 -0500 From: Shadowstar Subject: IN> Re: Take cover!!! >Now where does that leave all the AppleMac users It's got to be one of Eli's little toys. It's used in Graphic Arts, and in a lot of pre-production work for all sorts of publishing firms... Why, doesn't Steve Jackson Games use those happy little Macintoshes in their workplace? - - Tafka J. - - Blaseraph Marquis of Fate, the Demon of Delusions of Grandeur = shadowstar@centuryinter.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 15:42:44 +0200 (DFT) From: Anders Gabrielsson Subject: Re: IN> Impudites and Mercurians (Re: Word-Bound Servitors of David) On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Does Impudite behavior become more understandable if one > regards them as *addicted* to swiping Essence? From what > I head, a solidly addicted coke-head would be really > agonized to see a quantity of cocaine destroyed before him. But they don't -have- to drain Essence. They can, and they like it, but it's not something they can't live without. Anders Gabrielsson anders@stp.ling.uu.se The contents of this message belong to me and nobody else. So there! May you have the knowledge of a sage, and the wisdom of a child. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:14:28 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Impudites and Mercurians Neel Krishnaswami wrote: > Drag them down to Hell, and their Essence will be yours. Forever. And > they will never be able to escape you, never be able to refuse you > when you need the Essence. So it shouldn't be dissonant to murder a > human, not if the human will plummet to Hell shortly afterwards. This sounds very like a pep-talk the demoan Screwtape gives his nephew Wormwood, in "The Screwtape Letters" -- something along the lines of, move too fast and you may lose him, but if you keep your head and tempt him using the slow and steady methods, you'll have him forever, "a brimful chalice of horror and astonishment you can raise to your lips as often as you like." Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 10:20:37 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> IN: the Temple Casca wrote: > You know, this [Arian theology] would fit perfectly into an IN > worldview where Jesus was Eli. Assuming, of course, you consider > angels to be the first and highest creation of God, which is > probably heretical in and of itself. Eli as Jesus works reasonably well as an Arian IN theology, as long as you stipulate that Eli is vastly more powerful and divine in nature than the other Archangels are -- or than the other Archangels realize, apparently. Rather like Yves, only more so and without the pantheism or an evil twin like Kronos. No, it isn't heretical to regard angels as the first and highest creations. In mainstream Christian theology, that's how they are sometimes described. It is even "orthodox" in Arian theology if you are willing to call the Logos an "angel." Jehovah's Witnesses do, and they are real-world Arians. They identify the Logos/Jesus with the Archangel Michael, if not as an article of faith then as a plausible piece of theological speculation. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 17:07:50 +0200 (MET DST) From: Jasper Reijer Floor Subject: RE: IN> In Nomine Mix Geez, don't read for a week, and you get flooded. Ok I decided to ignore everything but this one important thread (even if it has been doen before, I wasn't around then). When I first started In Nomine (not all to long ago), I told them to think of it like this: Jewel, is an angel (possibly a cherub), and Tori Amos is a human (and I take exception to someone using her songs for demons). I couldn't say who would be demonic, though I suppose Nick Cave comes to mind. mvg, Jasper Floor Can we ever have too much of a good thing? Miguel de Cervantes -Don Quixote Chap. vi ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 14:56:27 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Tether net-book (Re: Tether Sourcebook) At 5:25 AM -0400 7/18/98, SienarFLT@aol.com wrote: >Has it ever been addressed as to Why a Superior CAN'T say, "What a lovely spot >for a tether! I think I'll put one here."? Yup. Tethers can only be created via events or processes that are "in-Symphony." Natural formations in the corporeal, animals and humans can all set up a potential Tether, or an actual "wild" one. It's one of the reasons humans are so obviously important to celestials. It's one of the things where humans and the corporeal have *more* power than even Superiors. >I know that Redneck's DV game is >very much "non-canon" but didn't Eli put a lot of effort into making the >University Tower a tether? In canon, some of that work would have been wasted. Of course, we're talking Eli here, and he wasn't just doing it himself -- he was getting the humans to do it too, and in canon, *that* would have been the kicker. They were stringing the lights too, they were looking to it as a sign of hope. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #868 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.