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Re: IN> RE>Choir/Band names IN> Build Your Own Descrambler and Jammer IN> INS/MV Re: IN> Yet more Mercs IN> RE> More on Mercs. IN> I Have Some Questions IN> Relationships in IN Re: IN> Relationships in IN Re: IN> Relationships in IN IN> Paintballs Re: IN> Relationships in IN IN> bright lilim question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 17:51:35 -0500 From: Neel Krishnaswami Subject: IN> [Campaign Seed] Election Day! This seed is designed for a group of demonic PCs, with a campaign tone of violent absurdist farce. - -*-*-*- Obligatory Fluff ================ The demon Asmodeus was sitting sat at his desk, quietly tallying the day's crop of souls, when he heard the silent summons in his mind's ear. He slammed the book shut, and transported himself to the topmost room of the tallest tower of his citadel. There, in the tiny garret overlooking the infernal city of Hades, was his master Lucifer, the prince of darkness himself. Asmodeus had scarcely bowed his head to acknowledge his master when the Lightbringer seized Asmodeus with both hands and smashed the room open by flexing his great batlike wings. Even though the devil's voice barely rose above a whisper, the howling winds of the heights of Hades could not drown out his words: "Have you gone mad, Asmodeus?" "Not at all, my lord," replied Asmodeus, with perfect composure. "I am merely holding elections." "Ah," said Lucifer, "but you hold those every year, and if they were as they were before, then I would have no cause for complaint. But it has reached me that you intend for this year's elections to be fair." "Indeed this is so, o Seducer of Both Adam's Wives. I intend for these elections to be open to all candidates, free of all bribery and threats of violence, and with the votes fairly counted. Furthermore I intend to abide by the results: whosoever wins shall become the constitutional ruler of Hades." "Do I hear aright, that Asmodeus is giving up his power? What moves you, some insane *pity* for the weak?" "Not at all, for all who are in Hell are damned, and in Hell all elections, however honest, must yield a rule by the damned of the damned." "That is transparently obvious, but it does not explain how you will tolerate a ruler -- however damned -- other than yourself." "The new ruler will either play the Game or be replaced by someone who does, and thus my own power is maintained. And by withdrawing from active administration, I am left free to pursue my own interests on Earth. Your Malefic Majesty may recall that it has been some millenia since I was free to walk among men, as I did in the days when I acquired for your amusement the soul of Solomon the Wise." Lucifer nodded in approval. "An excellent play; I will watch your scheme with interest. And now I will leave to go discipline my informant for her attempt to manipulate me." With that, Lucifer vanished, and the Prince of the Game returned to his study to finish adding up how many new voters Hades had acquired that day. What's Going On =============== Asmodeus is master of the Game, lord of every sort of political maneuver. Ever since Abraham argued with God about the precise terms of the covenant, ever since the Chinese Legalist philosophers discovered totalitarianism , he has run Hades on the bureaucratic model, with enormous libraries full of rules more intricate and insane than even Kafka could have imagined. After millenia of masterminding the intricate dance of minutes, motions and forms in triplicate, he's finally gotten bored. He's played out all the possibilities, experimented with every variation, and he's won every single time. As far as Asmodeus is concerned, the Game is over and he has won. Naturally, this just means it's time to start over with a new Game. Therefore Asmodeus has decided to let Hades choose its rulers in free elections. Since its rulers will engage in political backstabbing, the Game will continue to be played and his Word will continue to wax. Except -- now he will be able to abandon all his forms, so that he may walk the Earth and amuse himself with mankind. The Political Process ===================== The Infernal Parliament - ----------------------- Asmodeus has carefully designed Hades' Parliament so as to maximize the amount of horse-trading and logrolling needed to get even the simplest things done. Below is an outline of a political system; you are encouraged to complexify this arbitrarily. There are two houses of Parliament, the House of Commons, and the Negative House, with 666 MP seats in the Commons. In order to run for office, a candidate must be affiliated with some registered political party. A political party becomes registered by collecting 46,656 signatures in a petition, and then listing a slate of 666 candidates it wishes to run for office. When the election is held, each registered party is assigned a number of seats in the Commons equal to the fraction of votes it won in the general election. For example, a party than won 1/3 of the votes would receive 222 seats in the Commons. Each party must then somehow decide which of the 666 candidates it put forward will actually take seats in the House of Commons. The first act of the 666 members of the lower house is to elect 73 of their number to the Negative House. Each member elected must give up its seat in the Commons to take its seat in the Negative House, leaving 593 members of the Commons. Every act of legislation in originated in the Commons, where it must win a 3/5 majority, whereupon it becomes law. The sole power of the Negative House is to repeal any law, which it can do with a 2/5 vote in favor of repeal. Acts of Parliament are actually carried out via the Infernal Civil Service. The bureaus, departments, and ministries of Hell are all established by various acts of Parliament, and also receive their budget from Parliament. The Electoral Commission - ------------------------ The Hadean Electoral Commission is the body Asmodeus has created to oversee the voting process. Asmodeus is determined that the elections be genuinely free, since he figures that the acute paranoia induced by enhanced social mobility will increase the intensity and viciousness with which the damned play the Game. So he has appointed Solomon the Wise to head the Electoral Commission. Solomon is regarded as untouchable by most of Hell: besides being the wisest man and most powerful sorcerer in history, Lucifer and Asmodeus both regard Solomon's damnation as a personal victory, and react very badly to attempts to damage their trophy. Beyond the personal influence of its head, the Electoral Commission has drastic powers -- each political party permitted to run a slate must be registered with the Commission, and it has the power to delist a party if it does not accede to any of the Commission's demands. It has a large budget to pay off anyone who blows the whistle on election fraud, and has a large force of extremely violent jack-booted thugs to deal with anyone who objects to their activities being brought to light. This once, Hell will see free elections, no matter how many casualties it will take. Solomon the Wise Chairman of the Hadean Electoral Commission Corporeal Forces 2 -- Strength 3 Agility 5 Ethereal Forces 5 -- Intelligence 10 Precision 10 Celestial Forces 5 -- Will 10 Perception 10 Body/Role: none -- he's dead. Skills: Detect Lies/6, Emote/6, Fast-Talk/5, Lying/5, Law/6, Knowledge(Absolutely Everything)/6 Sorcery skills: All at 6 Attunements: Sorcery Distinctions: Baron of the Game Appearance: A translucent spectre of an aged Hebrew man, dressed in the tattered remnants of once-fine clothing and with a long tatty beard. Story: Solomon the Wise, wisest man who ever lived, emperor of Israel, builder of the First Temple, master of all manner of spirits, was led to damnation by Asmodeus himself. And once come to Hell, Asmodeus gave Solomon the highest honors Hell could afford, knowing that Solomon in his wisdom would see how worthless and hollow they were beside the lost glories of Heaven. Solomon is a despairing and cynical soul filled with absolutely toxic quantities of self-loathing; he recalls how once he was thought fit by God to build His Temple, and how he threw that all away. He spares no one -- not even himself -- bitter and exact descriptions of precisely how worthless and empty their goals and ambitions are. In a millieu filled with backbiting and sniping, Solomon's words cut deep precisely because of their absolute, unflinching honesty. Worse still befell those who tried to manipulate him, because of his closeness to Asmodeus. He was given authority by the Prince, and in this one case he used it -- he inflicted punishments that were exactly equal to the severity of the crimes that the supplicant had committed before seeing him. He's probably one of the only honest men in Hell, and despite his knowledge of how useless the election is in the long run, he takes his position seriously. He is utterly incorruptible ("Better late than never," as he says) and determined that the damned shall get exactly the rulers they choose. After all, he couldn't think of a more fitting punishment even if he tried. Part of his superhuman wisdom can be modelled through his Game Distinctions, but feel free to let him make distressingly accurate predictions about how things will turn out, especially if they prophecies of doom. Political Parties - ----------------- Here are some possible infernal political parties; have fun coming up with as many more as you feel necessary. The in-game reason that each of the political parties is led by a human is that demons can count, and figure that their favorite party is more likely to win if it has a human figurehead because there are lot more damned human voters than demons. Besides, they can always manipulate from the background. The out-of-game reason is that it's fun to put famous people into game. o The Sophont Rights Platform, Leaders: Thomas Jefferson, Leon Trotsky Thomas Jefferson and Leon Trotsky are running for the governorship of Hades as head on the Sophont Rights platform, which is defined as dignity, justice, freedom and equality for all, human or demon. They are both terrific speakers and organizers who have managed to put together a fairly large and effective party. Two things tend to keep the Sophont Rights Platform from achieving critical mass. One, they are chronically underfunded, because very few wealthy demons really want equality -- most prefer the current situation where they are top dog. Second, their efforts are very diffuse and not well-focused. Trotsky and Jefferson apparently really mean it when they talk about equality, and as a result they demand a degree of consensus which is impossible to achieve in practice. As a result, small factions tend to have to go off on their own to accomplish anything. o The Caligulan Imperium Crusade Leader: Caligula the Terrible Caligula's platform is very simple: he's a god and should therefore be elected as ruler of Hades so that he can gratify his every whim. Even to the average damned soul, this sounded pretty wing-nut, and Caligula's party consisted of him and three gremlins who liked mocking his speeches. However, when Lilith decided she needed a to use as a stalking horse, Caligula happened to be ranting outside the window, and he got dragooned. And so Caligula has become mysteriously able to afford to throw some of the most outrageous orgies and bacchanals in all of Hell. These has made him quite popular, and despite the fact that he's completely nuts he has acquired a sizeable minority of the vote. o The Legalist Party Leader: Shih Huang Ti In life, Shih Huang Ti was the first emperor of China and a proponent of the doctrine of Legalism, which essentially was totalitarianism 2000 years before it was invented in the West. The Legalists promise to make Hades run efficiently through the simple expedient of torturing anyone who commits a crime. The reason they are popular with the voters is because in particular they define the sclerotic paralysis of the Hadean bureaucracy as a crime. The average supporter of the Legalist party reasons that while Shih Huang Ti is a bloody-handed thug, it's sure that at least the trains will run on time if he rules. Some other important figures in the Legalist party include Chaka Zulu, Vlad the Impaler, and any other tyrants you care to add. o The Civil Service Campaign Leader: Leonid Brezhnev The thought of being tortured for aeons as punishment for inefficiency was not a popular one in Hades' civil service, and thus a party was started to oppose the Legalist party. As a gray, faceless, and amoral bureaucract, Leonid Brezhnev had a personality that really resonated with the members of the Hadean bureaucracy. Their platform consists of the promise to change nothing at all, except to increase the pay and vacation time of the bureaucracy. Both Brezhnev and the Civil Service Campaign have essentially zero appeal outside the bureaucracy, but that elephantine monster is so huge that the Civil Service Campaign is a major electoral force nonetheless. What the Princes Think ====================== Enter the Spoilers - ------------------ Lilith has seen the hubbub in Hades, and suspects (correctly, as it happens) that one of Asmodeus's motives is to absorb a good deal of the activity that happens under the banner of her Word into his own. This does not induce happy thoughts in Lilith. She has approached Baal and Kronos, and quietly suggested to them that free elections set a bad precedent for all the Princes, and that they should work together to make sure the elections fail. Neither of these two Princes liked even the idea of elections, and they agreed to help her. However, they scented her fear and thus the price of their help is steep. Each has agreed to help her, on conditions. Baal has supplied Lilith supplied her with the troops needed to declare martial law in Hades -- but she may only deploy them en masse if the elections fail and decay into violence. Of course, she can use his spies and saboteurs for any purpose she wants. (And of course they will report right back to Baal.) Kronos (at steep price in Geases) has let her know that if the elections are meaningless, then her word is safe. She will need to make the process so corrupt, and the elected government so corrupt, that Asmodeus must intervene personally. Then the election will be a fraud and her word will be safe. Asmodeus's Allies - ----------------- A few of the other Princes think that the elections are a great idea - -- most notably Malphas, Nybbas and Kobal. None of these Princes wants the elections to fail, and have tasked a substantial number of their Servitors to make sure it doesn't. Though their definition of "success" might be funny. Malphas sees a chance to spread even more factionalism and division throughout Hell (both in Hades proper and among the Principalities, where a thousand schemes to influence the elections have blossomed). Nybbas wants election coverage. He wants to supply media aides. He wants demon-in-the-street footage. He wants footage of election-night riots. He wants a circus, and Asmodeus is providing. Kobal just thinks the whole idea is one stroke of comic genius from beginning to end; the idea of the damned being asked to /choose/ who will torture and exploit them is the funniest thing he's seen in centuries. Even better, Asmodeus has managed to manipulate Lilith into sabotaging free elections, which is irony so comprehensive it's better than justice. The Rest - -------- Most of the other Princes are watching to see what happens before committing anything officially; this of course does not prevent them from putting fingers into the pie. (They may even have teams working at cross-purposes, on the theory that some will succeed.) Valefor's servitors are some of the most active -- there are rumors (stimulated by hints from the Prince) about fabulous rewards to the demon who manages to steal the election. Sound Bites =========== Andrealphus: "An election? It all sounds very novel, but I prefer dominance and submission myself." Baal: "I thought that Asmodeus at least was above this sort of idiotic buffoonery, but it appears I was wrong. He has forgotten that we are the first Fallen and rule Hell by both right and might..." Beleth: "How Asmodeus chooses runs his realm is of no importance to me, so long as I can still hear the screams of the damned here from my tower." Belial: "Huh?" Haagenti: "What he said." Kobal: "I didn't think the old bat had it in him; he's making everyone dance to his tune -- he's even manipulated Lilith into opposing free elections!" Kronos: "Asmodeus was secure in his Fate. Lucifer is lax in permitting him to change course, no matter how trivial it may seem." Lilith: "The bastard is trying to steal my Word. No way. No way in Hell." Malphas: "In recognition of Asmodeus's long service to Hell, as a special favor I shall permit any of my demons to serve as campaign consultants to any Hadean candidates. 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 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 99 10:19:50 PDT From: "Azrael" Subject: IN> INS/MV On page 205 IN has a box telling us that INS/MV is availible from Asmodee Editions Asmodee Editions 7 rue Jean-mermoz 78000 Versailles, FRANCE they can also be contacted at asmodee@club-internet.fr It says to ask for a list of supplements and mail order info. It is also available in German (which IMO is easier to read, I dont need Babelfish for much of German) from Truant Mario Truant Verlag Kaiser-Wilhelm-rING 85 D-55118 Mainz/Rhein, GERMANY Azrael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 10:20:00 +1000 From: bichwa@telstra.easymail.com.au Subject: Re: IN> Yet more Mercs >In Responce to question 5). > >I don't want spoil anyones dreams and aspirations, but isn't Professional Wrestling just an >act anyway? It's not so much an act as car3efully coreographed - it's very difficult to fake (for example) being chokeslammed onto a bed of nails, or having a flare stuck in your face, or any of the other tricks/stunts/antics they get up to. Most of it is still hitting them, but pulling the punches, or making it look nastier than it is. That said, there are accidents, such as when Stone Cold Austin had his neck damaged, or Owen Hart fell something like 80 feet to his death. >With thi in mindI'd let a Merc. do it. But They'd feel really weird even acting like they >were be violent towards a human. I probably wouldn't, unless they (my players) gave me a pretty good reason - say if they were a stonie, trying to inspire people to train and be strong, and took *really* good care of their opponent - which shouldn't be that difficult seeing the difference between celestials and humans, and judicous use of the song of healing. Or perhaps a creationer who wants to perform it as an artform. Of course then we get to the whole "is it violence if he doesn't mean anything by it" thing... Kris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 99 19:53:03 PDT From: "Azrael" Subject: IN> RE> More on Mercs. bichwa@tesltra.easymail wrote >>I don't want spoil anyones dreams and aspirations, but isn't Professional >> Wrestling just an >act anyway? > > It's not so much an act as car3efully coreographed - it's very difficult to > fake (for example) being chokeslammed onto a bed of nails, or having a flare > stuck in your face, or any of the other tricks/stunts/antics they get up to. > Most of it is still hitting them, but pulling the punches, or making it look > nastier than it is. That said, there are accidents, such as when Stone Cold > Austin had his neck damaged, or Owen Hart fell something like 80 feet to his > death. Of course a student of science would know that being "chokeslammed" onto a bed of nails isn't anything special. I bed of nails will only hurt someone's head as the thousands of points distribute the force marvellously. I have seen and have had cement block broken (with a sledgehammer I might add) on someone's chest/stomach area while in a bed of nails sandwich. Anyone with a pause button can easily see that many blows (mainly the "slamming" of peoples heads into the steel barricade thingges) are pulled to such an extent that absolutely no contact is made between the"slamee" and the barricade. Your example of pulling punches does not make the wrestling match any less fake, in fact the fact that every thing is "carefully choreographed" does not make anything less fake, merely carefully choreographed and fake. In any case if you have ever been punched, punched somebody or seen a real fight you would realise that those punches and strikes wouldn't hurt (much) even if there was force behind it. Sticking a flare in someone's face is easy to do without creating harm, a low-temperature flare will do no harm but the smoke will sting the eyes ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 99 19:58:08 PDT From: "Azrael" Subject: IN> I Have Some Questions 1) When is it actually a Malakite's choice (in reference to oaths)? For example a Malakite can choose to ignore what the Seraph says. However I think that it would be against their nature to disobey their Superior ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 99 20:07:39 PDT From: "Azrael" Subject: IN> Relationships in IN On the INC Beth of Divinely Infernal Line Editing Demon Princess wrote an article on Homosexuality in IN. I wasn't here when it was discussed but in the article under Blandine it says she probably would approve of homosexuality in IN. I would say that probably is not the correct term, although definately is. I say this because before The Fall she and Beleth were lovers, unless it was a typo in The Book then they both consider themselves female and thus were in a smae sex relationship. So for fear of being a hypocrite and damaging her word I'd say that Blandine definately would approve of homosexuality. Azrael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 04:08:55 -0700 (PDT) From: The Alien Subject: Re: IN> Relationships in IN IMHO, celestial beings that predate any life on Earth by ... lots of time ... probably do not think of themselves as either gender. But their self image translates most readily as one or the other, generally. See Gabriel's change in tendencies for an example. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 10:51:19 CDT From: "Wade Hursman" Subject: Re: IN> Relationships in IN But their self image translates most readily as one or the other, generally. See Gabriel's change in tendencies for an example. > I'd like to point out that Gabriel is also nuts.....so she/he may or may not care what his/her corporeal vessel looks like, or celestial appearance, for that matter either. The only other Superior that is mentioned as appearing in either gender is Dominic/Dominique. And that may just be to foster paranoia in everyone else. If you don't have a set appearance, then it's much easier to sneak up on people without them knowing about it. Wade Habbalite of Technology, Demon of Telemarketers ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 07:10:39 From: fujikothe3ro@aol.com Subject: IN> Paintballs RP Sherer Paint Sales to the public at the lowest prices in the world. Call 727-819-9585 for ordering and info. A 800 line advailable for second time return custormers. $59.99 per 2500 count case M-F 9am-5pm EST USA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 12:29:06 -0600 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Relationships in IN >IMHO, celestial beings that predate any life on Earth by ... lots of time >... probably do not think of themselves as either gender. But their self >image translates most readily as one or the other, generally. See >Gabriel's change in tendencies for an example. Yves is the first celestial and he has always appeared to be an old MAN. Just to point out gender seems to have existed before corporeal reality. Timothy, Angel of Rambling If you have a hankering for waffles or chicken i know the place for you: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Oct 1999 18:07:15 -0400 From: Ben Aldred Subject: IN> bright lilim question Can a bright lilim fall? if they get dissonant enough is it possible for them to go through the typical falling procedure? just formulating a little odd theory. Ben ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1373 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1999 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.