From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Nov 3 12:26:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA04940 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:26:51 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id MAA29036 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:25:07 -0600 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:25:07 -0600 Message-Id: <199911031825.MAA29036@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1390 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, November 3 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1390 In this digest: KILL! SPAM! NOW! (IN> Get ready!) Re: Pride IS a sin (was Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff)) Re: KILL! SPAM! NOW! (IN> Get ready!) Re: Pride IS a sin (was Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff)) Re: KILL! SPAM! NOW! (IN> Get ready!) Re: Pride IS a sin (was Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff)) Re: IN>Demon of blackmail Re: IN> Gabriel & Dominic Re: IN> Gabriel & Dominic IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Corruption Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Corruption Re: IN> Candidates for a Climb Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) Re: IN> Dominic Good/Bad? Re: IN> Redeemed Princes (Malphas) IN> Get ready! IN> Asmodeus, Archangel of the Infinite Game Subject: IN> Falling Archangels (Yves) Re: Pride IS a sin (was Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff)) Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Corruption Re: IN> Asmodeus, Archangel of the Infinite Game Re: Pride IS a sin (was Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff)) IN> Gabriel and Muhammad Re: IN> The Unattached Re: IN> Gabriel and Muhammad Re: IN> The Unattached Re: IN>Demon of blackmail (servitor of nitpicking?)(fluff) Re: KILL! SPAM! NOW! (IN> Get ready!) Re: IN> Candidates for a Climb Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Corruption Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) Re: IN> Candidates for a Climb Re: IN> Redeemed Princes (Malphas) Re: IN> lilith and freedom Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Corruption Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Corruption Re: IN> Gabriel and Muhammad Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) Re: IN>Demon of blackmail (servitor of nitpicking?)(fluff) Re: IN>Demon of blackmail IN> shared words Re: IN> shared words ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 23:40:07 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: KILL! SPAM! NOW! (IN> Get ready!) >>>Watch our HIDDEN CAMERAS, in GIRLS Locker Rooms, Showers, Toilets!!!<<< OK, does THIS convince enough people to impose spam filters NOW, and tell those people whining about wanting special arrangements to either get a real e-mail account or else use the archives? - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:50:42 -0800 (PST) From: The Alien Subject: Re: Pride IS a sin (was Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff)) On Mon, 1 Nov 1999, Whistling in the Dark wrote: > Put another way, the Demonic Word Pride was the sin of Babel, Lucifer > and Michael, but the Angelic Word Pride surrounds and exceeds the > Demonic word in all ways. I tend to not see Michael as being on that side of it. Put simply, undue pride, hubris, these are bad. Michael may be the one being in existance who can legitimately have that much pride. Look at what he has done! Did Michael's pride ever prevent him from cooperating? Indeed, has Michael's pride in himself, which I feel from his point of view is pride in God himself - for God created Michael and made him His champion - -, ever caused a problem? No. Could others following Michael's path who are less perfect err in their steps on this path and end up acting overly prideful? Yes. Is this a good reason to prosecute Michael? I don't think so. He showed the perfect path to follow. In many ways, one could argue he was put on trial for providing an example which was hard to live up to. I also view Michael as one of the few Archangels who got his orders from God a long time ago and is still following that very limited set of instructions. As an interesting aside, could Michael perhaps be the one Celestial not changed by the Fall? Look at how the personalities of the others changed...the Malakim are the most obvious, but Dominic definitely changed. Did Novalis? It's a good question. She is sad for David, we know. It might be that in addition to being first, Michael is also the only angel still at the original factory specs, if you will. Or maybe there are a few others. Perhaps allowing yourself to change is an indulgence and it makes a fine line that divides Heavenly politics. The real reason Dominic might have been nervous about Michael: He is the one Unfallen Angel. Of the others, they all fell forwards into the Abyss or backwards into Heaven. Only Michael is still standing on the razor's edge between the two where all angels were placed initally, neither Falling nor recoiling... Just some ideas. Sean ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 23:46:55 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: KILL! SPAM! NOW! (IN> Get ready!) At 11:40 PM -0500 11/2/99, David Edelstein wrote: > >>>Watch our HIDDEN CAMERAS, in GIRLS Locker Rooms, Showers, Toilets!!!<<< > > > >OK, does THIS convince enough people to impose spam filters NOW, and tell >those people whining about wanting special arrangements to either get a >real e-mail account or else use the archives? I think there's consensus -- there's just the need for education on how to impose said limits. Which I'm not capable of giving myself, though I'll ask some friends. - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 20:57:34 -0800 (PST) From: The Alien Subject: Re: Pride IS a sin (was Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff)) Replying to my own message...hmm... Just a last thought. Fear. It is a given from the books that Michael does not know fear. On the other hand, the rest of Heaven seems tainted with either Fear or Loathing. Dominic is definitely afraid. He is afraid of himself, in many ways. The Malakim are definitely in the Loathing category, perhaps fear as well. So if you know no fear, you can't be afraid of what others will think. You can't be afraid of what happens when you fail. Etc... Is perhaps justified pride plus a lack of fear what those who cannot understand interpret as hubris? Sean ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 22:07:36 -0700 From: "Ben Glickler" Subject: Re: KILL! SPAM! NOW! (IN> Get ready!) Ah, brave words coming from the mere Angel of Quality Canned Foods! You are no match for the Demon of Spam! Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:09:02 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: Pride IS a sin (was Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff)) At 8:57 PM -0800 11/2/99, The Alien wrote: >Replying to my own message...hmm... > >Just a last thought. Fear. It is a given from the books that Michael >does not know fear. On the other hand, the rest of Heaven seems tainted >with either Fear or Loathing. Dominic is definitely afraid. He is afraid >of himself, in many ways. The Malakim are definitely in the Loathing >category, perhaps fear as well. > >So if you know no fear, you can't be afraid of what others will think. >You can't be afraid of what happens when you fail. Etc... Is perhaps >justified pride plus a lack of fear what those who cannot understand >interpret as hubris? This is fast defining Michael as Hal Jordan, and Dominic as the Guardians of the Universe. You know this to be true. (What the heck, we had IN-Lensmen before....) - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:11:06 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN>Demon of blackmail At 5:26 PM -0800 11/2/99, Du Dawei wrote: >Some demons and angels have words of their own, why must they always >serve some other archangel or prince? I always thought that was >rather stupid, actually. The Angel of Death is the Angel of Death. >Why should he serve Destiny or whatever? He is his own "person" >without having the rank of Archangel. > >One of the reasons I have come to get so frustrated with the SJG In >Nomine universe is because it is so uptight as to who serves who. >Whatever happened to serving God for God's sake? The politics get to >the point where you might as well play white wolf games and they got >out of hand a long time ago. Actually, the majority of WordBound, as far as I recall, are far more independent than straight Servitors. There are some whose Words are clearly subordinate to bigger Words, but a WordBound is expected to promote his Word first and foremost. (With Demons, YMMV, of course.) However, it's rare that a Word will be granted without a Superior's advocacy, and most Superiors, bright or dark, won't do so without having a reason and a goal. That leads WordBound to at least start working under that Superior pretty closely. - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 21:23:46 -0800 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> Gabriel & Dominic James Bearse wrote: > > Just a brief narration of what the orthodox view is. Mohammed is lying > > asleep in bed when the archangel gabriel appears in his room. He(In > Muslim > > theology Gabriel is male) walks over to Mohammed's bed takes a > > pillow...and begins to smother Mohammed with it. Mohammed wakes up and > > Gabriel says to him "RECITE!" Mohammed, still struggling under the pillow > > says in a muffled voice "What should I recite!?" Gabriel, still holding > > the pillow over Mohammed's head says again "RECITE!" Mohammed, with less > > and less air and more and more panic, says "What should I recite!?!?" > > Gabriel, still not satisfied with the answer, continues to hold the pillow > > over Mohammed's head and says a third time "RECITE!" Mohammed then > > spontaneously begins reciting the Qu'ran and Gabriel removes the pillow > > from his head. Just goes to show the Archangel of Fire works in > mysterious ways. I'd say this is pretty hearty proof that Gabriel was nuts -before- the Inquisition started in on her. Smothering potential prophets with pillows. Yeah, that's stable behavior. I wonder how Gabes tried explaining that one. - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 22:02:37 -0800 (PST) From: The Alien Subject: Re: IN> Gabriel & Dominic On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Steel Angel wrote: > I'd say this is pretty hearty proof that Gabriel was nuts -before- the > Inquisition started in on her. Smothering potential prophets with pillows. Yeah, > that's stable behavior. I wonder how Gabes tried explaining that one. > Probably the same way angels explain why God killed Onan. Something along the lines of ... "Those humans. They rarely if ever get it right." Or perhaps, "Tell me again why I was supposed to smother him, Yves? Yves?" *silence* Sean ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 23:07:27 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Corruption NOVALIS Demon Princess of Corruption "The world is danger hidden by beauty, pain hidden by pleasure, Lucifer hidden by God." She just couldn't take it anymore. So much violence and uglines, even in Heaven, and god didn't seem to be doing anything about it. She tried to fight it, tried to keep caring, but in the end she realized that it was all for nothing. Lucifer had been right all along, their was no one guiding everything, God was just a beautiful lie and Lucifer was the truth of the universe. He was well hidden, but even in the purest thing his touch was there. She Fell, giving up ideals of peace and harmony and compasion. In Hell Lucifer met her with a knowing smile and granted her a Word and a Principality. Third holder of the Word of Corruption she embodies it very well, sublty tainting everything she contacts. Her Corruption is not the mindless rampaging of Legion, but more the gradual infection of a disease. DISSONANCE Purifiing something without the promise of greater corruption resaulting later is dissonant, in addition reveiling corruption's presence without permision to do so is also dissonant. BAND ATTUNEMENTS Balseraph - --------- Liars attuned to Corruption get a bonus of their ethereal forces to Resonance rolls involing twisting arounding the meaning of their target's morals. Djinn - ----- When attuned to someone Djinn of Corruption have a sense how corrupt the individual believes themselves to be and why. Calabim - ------- When using their Resonance subtly they get a bonus to their target number equal to their corporeal forces. Habbalah - -------- These demons can direct the emotion they create in a victom at any target the demon wishes. Lilim - ----- When geasing someone into a degrading act they may add their ethereal forces to the target number. Shedim - ------ Their hosts Will is effectively halved for purposes of resisting these demons. Impudites - --------- An Impudite of Corruption can charm an individual for twice as long as normal. SERVITOR ATTUNEMENTS Underlying Decay - ---------------- With this a servitor of Corruption is able to see how Corrupt something is, not just physically but mentally and spiritually. It costs 1 Essence to activate for Perception minutes. During this time it works on everything the demon sees. False Note - ---------- The demon can expend as much essence as they wish and generate a disturbance equal to essence spent+celestial forces. Any information they wish that matches with the amount of essence spent can be put into the disturbance (so a total of 10 is needed to simulate a human dying). DISTINCTION Knight of Rot - ------------- The decay of inanimate objects can be accelerated ten fold by these demons. They merely touch the item and will it to fall apart faster, as long as they remain in contact and for corporeal forces days after the object will suffer the effects. Captain of Wasting - ------------------------ This works like the Knight distinction but on living things. It can be devistating to those who are ill. Baron of Concealment - ---------------------- These demons can hide their own corrupt state, able to appeare as their divine analogs in their celestial forms (Lilim seem Bright). This lasts only for celestial forces minutes, after that they must resume their vessel or else let those around see them as they are. RELATIONS Hell is somewhat nervous, not just because of the Word's previous holder but because she is obviously more compitent and has a powerful Word that overlaps many other ones (if not all). Some resent the fact that she got such a powerful Word, and others just think she's a little out of her mind. She prefers to deal with those who understand more subtle responses to situations. Allied: Kronos, Beleth Associated: Malphas, Andrealphus Hostile: Belial Enemy: Baal BASIC RITES * Convince someone that something they held as pure actually harbors corruption. * Cause someone to believe nothing is pure (+2) * Have someone commit themselves to hell while still believing they are not fully corrupt. CHANCE OF INVOCATION: 2 INVOCATION MODIFIER +1 Something shameful hidden in fresh snow +2 Something rotten +3 A violated adult +4 A violated child +5 An Outcast angel +6 A just Fallen Angel Timothy, Angel of Rambling If you have a hankering for waffles or chicken i know the place for you: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 23:18:48 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Corruption >INVOCATION MODIFIER >+1 Something shameful hidden in fresh snow >+2 Something rotten >+3 A violated adult >+4 A violated child Um my bad, I had what my poetry teacher would call a braino. It should be 'an adults violator' and a 'child's violator' respectively. Timothy, Angel of Rambling If you have a hankering for waffles or chicken i know the place for you: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 99 16:51:55 PST From: "Azrael" Subject: Re: IN> Candidates for a Climb - ---------- > > > > >From: Michael Martin > > >she's too cool to be demonic. > > That's a contradiction in terms, if you think about it. The Demon Princes > seem far more cool than the archangels (IMO). In a Dark Dream it says "Only an angel could look that cool" suggesting that angels are cooler or a least considered cooler by demons or by Marcus at any rate ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 99 16:55:43 PST From: "Azrael" Subject: Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) {What's wrong with Novalis, particularly her dress and informality} > > > > It's her soft-line approach > > > I think it's partly personal. "Not behaving in a manner fitting to a Leader > of the Host" seems to be one of Dominic's heresy-buttons -- after all, he's > suspicious of Eli and Janus too. > > After all, does the bible say anything about God wearing Hawaiian shirts? > No! It talks a lot about smiting the unbeliever and that people should love > each other. Not a smidgeon about dressing like a zany. Case proved. > > > jo I Don't claim to have read all the Bible but in parts I have read, it has not had a dress code for when the aforementioned unbeliever in aforementioned way nor about loving everyone and it's dress code. All though it doesn't say that we should wear hawiian shirts, it also doesn't say we shouldn't. Azrael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 99 17:01:00 PST From: "Azrael" Subject: Re: IN> Dominic Good/Bad? - ---------- > From: Azrael > > > He accused Gabriel of Heresy and tried to have her exiled from heaven > > for her involvement in the conception of Islam. > > that was his excuse. i think he was basically trying to put her on trial for > her worthiness to be a superior. same way as he used michael's vainglory to > attack his role. presumably dominic was quite satisfied with that one - god > acquitted him. i haven't seen any mention of dominic holding any grudges > (unlike mike), i expect as far as he's concerned the matter's over with ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 00:52:00 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Martin Subject: Re: IN> Redeemed Princes (Malphas) On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Douglas Muir wrote: > Someone remind me what he was before he Fell. Malphas worked for David, helping to split up the tectonic plates during the creation of the Earth. I don't think he was word-bound. -- Michael Martin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:54:53 +1100 From: bichwa@telstra.easymail.com.au Subject: IN> Get ready! I always knew that Andre was way too chummy with the Demon of Spam Kris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:54:54 +1100 From: bichwa@telstra.easymail.com.au Subject: IN> Asmodeus, Archangel of the Infinite Game >Cherubim >---------- >The people to whom a Cherub of the Infinite Game is attuned will know, >instinctively, that the Cherub is trustworthy and on his side. But what if he isn't? >Malakim >- ------- >The Blackwings of the Infinite Game have learned to play with their *own* >boundaries. One of their vows is not set in stone--it changes once a >week. I cannot see ANYONE happy with this. It changes the whole structure and balance of Malakim, and I can't believe that changing either of the first two oaths would please anyone (except for adding that "if it's my choice" thing) >Kyriotates >- ---------- >These angels may choose to possess only the Ethereal Forces of a host. >The host is not ejected into the Marches, nor does he lose control of his >body. The Kyriotate may give emotional impulses to the host, or voice >thoughts, or suggest choices of action. Under most circumstances, the >host will feel slightly disoriented or creative, but will not feel >invaded. When this is done, only the subject's Ethereal Forces count >against the Kyriotate's limit. I dunno, this sounds a heck of a lot like the Shedite resonance, which would not please Domonic one bit. Despite this however, I liked it. One thing though - how's Lillith going to feel about his new word? Kris. "In hell you can do anything you want. Unfortuanately so can the Psychopathic Roid Raging Steroid pumping demon ( insert Calabite) standing next to you. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 21:54:54 +1100 From: bichwa@telstra.easymail.com.au Subject: Subject: IN> Falling Archangels (Yves) I like it! Kris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:24:43 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: Pride IS a sin (was Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff)) From: Whistling in the Dark > This is fast defining Michael as Hal Jordan, and Dominic as the > Guardians of the Universe. You know this to be true. so would laurence be kyle rayner, and david be guy gardner? liam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:48:54 -0500 From: "Chris Bergstresser" Subject: Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Corruption - ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Groth > >INVOCATION MODIFIER > >+1 Something shameful hidden in fresh snow > >+2 Something rotten > >+3 A violated adult > >+4 A violated child > > Um my bad, I had what my poetry teacher would call a braino. It should be > 'an adults violator' and a 'child's violator' respectively. No, no, it works much better this way. Psychopaths and the like very rarely feel ashamed for what they do; their victims, however, suffer from the shame and indignity for years. Not to mention victimized children often become victimizers themselves -- keeping the vicious circle whole and all that. - -- Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:50:44 -0500 From: "Chris Bergstresser" Subject: Re: IN> Asmodeus, Archangel of the Infinite Game - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 5:54 AM Subject: IN> Asmodeus, Archangel of the Infinite Game > >Cherubim > >---------- > >The people to whom a Cherub of the Infinite Game is attuned will know, > >instinctively, that the Cherub is trustworthy and on his side. > > But what if he isn't? Then he's dangerously close to falling, isn't he? - -- Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:52:07 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: Pride IS a sin (was Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff)) At 1:24 PM +0000 11/3/99, Liam wrote: >From: Whistling in the Dark > > > This is fast defining Michael as Hal Jordan, and Dominic as the > > Guardians of the Universe. You know this to be true. > >so would laurence be kyle rayner, and david be guy gardner? Khalid would be Guy Gardner. Laurence would be Kyle Rayner, yes. Making Uriel Abin Sur, which... hm. That could be interesting.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | now with web site content! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 08:08:19 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Gabriel and Muhammad >>>Just a brief narration of what the orthodox view is.<<< Also note that according to Muhammad, it wasn't a one-time appearance by Gabriel. He showed up regularly to dictate the Quran to Muhammad over a period of 23 years. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 09:32:18 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> The Unattached I, too, find the you-gotta-have-a-Superior system rather stifling. I suspect that Eli's AWOL status was introduced to give a bit of a break from that -- if his servitors aren't "in service to" someone else, they virtually have no Superior -- but they are made to look like half-Outcasts exactly because of that. In the game variant I have in my head, there is, in fact, an unattached class -- the "arelim," the "valiant ones" -- who roam Earth with no Word-based attunements (unless they are given as gifts by pleased Archangels), and with no mission except Do Good. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:19:46 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Gabriel and Muhammad At 8:08 AM -0600 11/3/99, David Edelstein wrote: > >>>Just a brief narration of what the orthodox view is.<<< > > >Also note that according to Muhammad, it wasn't a one-time appearance by >Gabriel. He showed up regularly to dictate the Quran to Muhammad over a >period of 23 years. Now that's a lot of pillows. - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | now with web site content! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 06:45:27 PST From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> The Unattached >From: Earl Wajenberg >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com > >I, too, find the you-gotta-have-a-Superior system rather stifling. I'd always had the impression that most Servitors were pretty much dropped off on Earth and left to wander around and do what they thought was best, and that it wasn't unusual for a minion to see neither hide nor hair of his superior for centuries at a time. It's only the micromanagement superior types who demand that servitors must report in very regularly. I'm not sure if PCs need to fall into that category, but I don't think rigid hierarchies are absolutely necessary. Summoning superiors is also a bit on the easy side for PCs (I think). But I liked the notion of the aralim. Freelancers for Heaven ;) jo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:28:07 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN>Demon of blackmail (servitor of nitpicking?)(fluff) At 11:18 PM -0500 11/2/99, Rev. Pee Kitty wrote: >> From: David Barr >> >> > So, to make this a legit post, of Who does (or would) the Demon of >> > blackmail serve? [...] >Come on... it is absolutely, DEFINITELY Alaemon, Demon Prince of Secrets! >And it's a Lilim. The Secrets Band Attunement _certainly_ would fit this. (For those without Night Music -- a Lilim of Secrets uses her resonance to see what she can _blackmail_ someone with (for a cost in Essence equal to the CD), and if the person can't make a Will roll to allow their Dirty Little Secret to be exposed, the Geas is set! (No hooks!) At least, that's what I remember it as from the time that my Renegade- that-nobody-knew-was-Renegade-yet met up with her ##### sister. Who was fortunately Renegade herself which kind of put a crimp in _her_ revealing it. With a blessed Geas/6, yet. At least it made a whopper of disturbance.) (What, is my character bitter? Well... YES! Does my character snicker that the Kyrio of Lightning started using that Lilim of Secrets as a personal toy (well, her cars, clothing, gun, tires...)? Funny you should ask...) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:33:46 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: KILL! SPAM! NOW! (IN> Get ready!) At 11:40 PM -0500 11/2/99, David Edelstein wrote: >>>>Watch our HIDDEN CAMERAS, in GIRLS Locker Rooms, Showers, Toilets!!!<<< >OK, does THIS convince enough people to impose spam filters NOW, and tell >those people whining about wanting special arrangements to either get a >real e-mail account or else use the archives? I'm talking with someone about this, but she hasn't gotten back to me yet. (The technique being to have a "approved poster" list _and_ a mailing list, so that no one gets left out.) I'll be able to concentrate more on it, I HOPE, when my family (they're visiting) have gone away again. ("Mom, I'm _working_." "But when can we _seeeeee_ you, dear?" "Well, I was hoping to have all the major stuff cleared up by 2, but you called. Try 4. MAYBE.") - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:43:00 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Candidates for a Climb At 4:51 PM -0800 11/3/99, Azrael wrote: [I think Jo Hart wrote somewhere in here as well...] >>>From: Michael Martin >> >>>she's too cool to be demonic. >> >>That's a contradiction in terms, if you think about it. The Demon Princes >>seem far more cool than the archangels (IMO). > >In a Dark Dream it says "Only an angel could look that cool" suggesting >that angels are cooler or a least considered cooler by demons or by >Marcus at any rate I always took that as "cool and composed." Ice goddess cool, not neat/hip/ wicked/now/whatever slang you prefer cool. Unless I'm totally brainfrying on the sentence in question. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:40:52 -0700 From: "Ben Glickler" Subject: Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Corruption > NOVALIS > Demon Princess of Corruption I'm a little curious as how this ties in to her current status as the Archangel of Flowers. Corruption as a limited aspect of flowers? Flowers->growth->death->decay->corruption? I *guess* I could make that stretch... I have "Capitulation" and "Protests" as two of her potential words, but Corruption seems like a helluva tangent for Novalis to go on. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:43:17 -0700 From: "Ben Glickler" Subject: Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) > I Don't claim to have read all the Bible but in parts I have read, it has not had a dress code > for when the aforementioned unbeliever in aforementioned way nor about loving everyone > and it's dress code. All though it doesn't say that we should wear hawiian shirts, it also > doesn't say we shouldn't. The Bible says it's sinful for women to cut their hair and wear jewelry/nice clothing. It doesn't mention Hawaiin shirts explicitely, but... ...at any rate, there's your dress code. > Azrael Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 07:46:47 PST From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Candidates for a Climb >From: Elizabeth McCoy >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >At 4:51 PM -0800 11/3/99, Azrael wrote: >[I think Jo Hart wrote somewhere in here as well...] (If it was anything to do with demons being cool, I bet I did :) ) > >>>From: Michael Martin > >> > >>>she's too cool to be demonic. > >> > >>That's a contradiction in terms, if you think about it. The Demon >Princes > >>seem far more cool than the archangels (IMO). > > > >In a Dark Dream it says "Only an angel could look that cool" suggesting > >that angels are cooler or a least considered cooler by demons or by > >Marcus at any rate > >I always took that as "cool and composed." Ice goddess cool, not neat/hip/ >wicked/now/whatever slang you prefer cool. Unless I'm totally brainfrying >on the sentence in question. > I think he meant that celestials were cooler (slang) than humans, and he knew that he was being chased by angels -- so the coolest person there must have been an angel. jo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 08:49:46 -0700 From: "Ben Glickler" Subject: Re: IN> Redeemed Princes (Malphas) > > Someone remind me what he was before he Fell. > > Malphas worked for David, helping to split up the tectonic plates during > the creation of the Earth. I don't think he was word-bound. Malphas is also one of those angels who was never really a positive thinker in Heaven. He, Saminga, and Kobal are the three that ring the most bells in my head -- they were just not really into the whole "Heaven" thing, they never really cared for anyone or were cared for in Heaven, and were all three perfectly happy with their Falls. > -- Michael Martin Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 09:55:08 -0600 From: "Amo Nympham" Subject: Re: IN> lilith and freedom and that's exactly why it's a Demonic Word - - Dennis H, Groome V "Amo Nympham" ICQ: 11430261 http://welcome.to/EvM_Gamers "I think I woke up screaming 'cause I had a dream that you still loved me" -Stabbing Westward, "ACF" - -----Original Message----- From: Steel Angel To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 1:25 AM Subject: Re: IN> lilith and freedom > > I always thought Lil's >Word ran more like 'Freedom as long as you're the biggest'. > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:55:32 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Corruption At 8:40 AM -0700 11/3/99, Ben Glickler wrote: > > NOVALIS > > Demon Princess of Corruption > >I'm a little curious as how this ties in to her current status as the >Archangel of Flowers. Corruption as a limited aspect of flowers? >Flowers->growth->death->decay->corruption? I *guess* I could make that >stretch... > >I have "Capitulation" and "Protests" as two of her potential words, but >Corruption seems like a helluva tangent for Novalis to go on. I'd see her becoming the Demon of Activism, under Nybbas or Malphas, myself. - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | now with web site content! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 11:09:02 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Corruption Picking up on the metaphorical side of her Word, as Archangel of Peace, perhaps a fallen Novalis would become the Demon Princess of Sloth -- evil inactivity. As such, she might be very different from the previous holder. (What was he, a djinn?) She might be, herself, very industrious about persuading people to not do the things they ought. Would probably work closely with Nybbas. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:09:39 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> Gabriel and Muhammad From: Whistling in the Dark > > Now that's a lot of pillows. > lol. now we know where that burning feather emblem comes from - it represents all the pillows gabe set fire to by accident liam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 11:15:31 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) At 8:43 AM -0700 11/3/99, Ben Glickler wrote: > > I Don't claim to have read all the Bible but in parts I have read, it has >not had a dress code > > for when the aforementioned unbeliever in aforementioned way nor about >loving everyone > > and it's dress code. All though it doesn't say that we should wear >hawiian shirts, it also > > doesn't say we shouldn't. > >The Bible says it's sinful for women to cut their hair and wear jewelry/nice >clothing. It doesn't mention Hawaiin shirts explicitely, but... ...at any >rate, there's your dress code. So... Hawaiian shirts are now considered "nice" clothing? "Thou shalt not be kitsch. Because really -- florals?" - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | now with web site content! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:52:49 -0600 From: "Amo Nympham" Subject: Re: IN>Demon of blackmail (servitor of nitpicking?)(fluff) he'd most likely work under Alaemon with Hammet, Balseraph Duke of Secrets, Demon of Private Shame. or perhaps a servant under Hammet. - - Dennis H, Groome V "Amo Nympham" ICQ: 11430261 http://welcome.to/EvM_Gamers "I think I woke up screaming 'cause I had a dream that you still loved me" -Stabbing Westward, "ACF" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 10:55:49 -0600 From: "Amo Nympham" Subject: Re: IN>Demon of blackmail there are a few who report directly to the Man Above (or Below). for example, the Demon of Bad News (I believe that's his word, at work with no books) from Final Trumpet and the Demon of Insubordination (I know he's in a Pyramid article. does he show up elsewhere?). on the Angelic side, I'm not really sure, but I'm sure there are at least a few. in fact, I'm positive there's one in Final Trumpet to act as a foil for Bad News. - - Dennis H, Groome V "Amo Nympham" ICQ: 11430261 http://welcome.to/EvM_Gamers "I think I woke up screaming 'cause I had a dream that you still loved me" -Stabbing Westward, "ACF" - -----Original Message----- From: Du Dawei To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 7:32 PM Subject: Re: IN>Demon of blackmail >Some demons and angels have words of their own, why must they always serve >some other archangel or prince? I always thought that was rather stupid, >actually. The Angel of Death is the Angel of Death. Why should he serve >Destiny or whatever? He is his own "person" without having the rank of >Archangel. > >One of the reasons I have come to get so frustrated with the SJG In Nomine >universe is because it is so uptight as to who serves who. Whatever happened >to serving God for God's sake? The politics get to the point where you might >as well play white wolf games and they got out of hand a long time ago. > >My two cents, >Dave > >BTW, I read that Zadkiel referred to Novalis as her patroness. Whoever wrote >that line threw Zoroastrian/Judaic angel mythology right out the >window...and made for a sappier game. Give me grit, give me gore, give me >angels as terrible creatures who serve God's every whim without questioning >why...haven't seen any of that in the "official" universe. Ah well, you >can't keep everybody happy all of the time. > > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:43:06 -0500 From: Ben Aldred Subject: IN> shared words would it be possible for two angels to have the same word and be working in tangent. Say the angels of Productive Debate a pair of Mercurians who encourage active debate to improve organizations by asuming roles and taking different sides in important issues. Is this possible? Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:20:45 EST From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> shared words In a message dated 11/3/99 9:42:43 AM, aldrebe@earlham.edu writes: >would it be possible for two angels to have the same word and be working >in tangent. Say the angels of Productive Debate a pair of Mercurians who >encourage active debate to improve organizations by assuming roles and >taking different sides in important issues. Is this possible? >Ben I don't know. There are the Angels of Final Judgment, and Yves' Firemen, but it's unclear whether that's shared Words or just shared job descriptions. I'd say there could be, but only in Heaven. Mark ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1390 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1999 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.