From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Dec 30 14:43:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA15253 for ; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:43:13 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id OAA15505 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:41:52 -0600 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:41:52 -0600 Message-Id: <199912302041.OAA15505@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1478 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, December 30 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1478 In this digest: IN> My Personal Theories on Valefor IN> Canon Doubt and Uncertainty IN> Genubath and Raphael (and Uriel) Re: IN> Mercurians & Tarot Decks (WAS: Most troublesome. . .) Re: IN> My Personal Theories on Valefor IN> Sehdim, Discord, and thier Hosts. Re: IN> My Personal Theories on Valefor Re: IN> My Personal Theories on Valefor Re: IN> Canon Doubt and Uncertainty Re: IN> Sehdim, Discord, and thier Hosts. Re: IN> My Personal Theories on Valefor Re: IN> In Nomine themed tarot deck (WAS: Mercurians & Tarot Decks) Re: IN> Sehdim, Discord, and thier Hosts. IN> Re: My personal theories on Valefor Re: IN> In Nomine themed tarot deck (WAS: Mercurians & Tarot Decks) IN> Divine Interventions IN> Janus & Valefor IN> You remember cymatics? IN> Call your Grandmother & win Cash ! Re: IN> Divine Interventions IN> Superior writeups -- Web Page Update Re: IN> Sehdim, Discord, and thier Hosts. Re: IN> Divine Interventions Re: IN> Khalid and Religion ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:27:20 -0800 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> My Personal Theories on Valefor >>>However, the SJGames version leaves this firmly set in CDaU.<<< Actually, no. It hasn't been revealed yet, but AFAIK, the question of the Janus/Valefor relationship hasn't been placed on the official "This is and always shall be CDaU" list. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:30:56 -0800 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Canon Doubt and Uncertainty >>>I have a question about this. I seem to recall reading the GMG that Khalid was to be relegated to the realms of Canon Doubt, but he's got a write up in Superiors 3. Did this change?<<< Where in the GMG did you read that? I wrote the GMG, and I'm pretty sure I wrote no such thing. - -David (who also wrote Khalid) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:32:46 -0800 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Genubath and Raphael (and Uriel) >>>I definately like seeing the older lost superiors. Do you think maybe you could post Uriel sometime?<<< I already have. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/AmadanSJG/Innomine/Uriel.htm - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 06:38:29 +1100 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> Mercurians & Tarot Decks (WAS: Most troublesome. . .) Surely it depends on whether Pee Kitty's roommate does consider his Tarot to have some sort of spiritual significance. I have a deck, and to me they're just cards - I don't wrap them in a cloth, I don't keep them hidden, and anyone who wants to use them is welcome to do so. Which is not to say that people are wrong in saying that personally significant cards shouldn't be used lightly. But that's not _neccessarily_ the case here. - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia You ought to be peeled, salted, driven through the streets by mental patients with spiked planks, and then used as a toilet and jizz-catcher by baboons in heat. At _best_. - - Spider Jerusalem, TRANSMETROPOLITAN #4 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:10:40 -0800 (PST) From: Wade Trupke Subject: Re: IN> My Personal Theories on Valefor Since everyone is supplying their pet theories about the Janus/Valefor duality (Janefor?), I'll put in my own. In his write-up in the main IN book, it is mentioned that, despite being Heaven's primary agent of change, Janus himself has not changed in a long time. Why is that? He does change. But he changes back. (This actually makes sense; the strongest winds usually move in circles.) Every so often, Janus Falls, and becomes Valefor. He later Redeems, and becomes Janus again. (It's also possible that he doesn't completely Fall, just far enough that passes as a demon. Otherwise, he'll need an AA accomplice to Redeem him whenever he becomes Janus again - Eli, maybe?) This seems to cover most of questions about Janus/Valefor: the matching attunements/rites, how Valefor stole the book from the Library, why Janus himself doesn't change, even why Valefor doesn't come across as your typical Calabite. Sometimes, I consider throwing in a third aspect that he changes to. Perhaps he sometimes poses as an Ethereal, like the Roman god Janus? Also noteworthy: Valefor is easier to summon than Janus. Perhaps this means that Janus is getting lured to the 'dark side', as it were, spending more time in Hell than in Heaven. Make of that what you will... Wade (Change, changing places...) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:28:28 CST From: "Justin Buhler" Subject: IN> Sehdim, Discord, and thier Hosts. I know this may seem basic and somebody probably knows the answer without even having to look it up, but I tried and couldn't find what I was looking for. Can a Shedite impose his Discord on a Host? Adn if so how long does it last, can he leave the Host with the Discord, does it casue any negative reactions to the Shedite, etc.? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:36:06 -0500 From: neelk@cswcasa.com Subject: Re: IN> My Personal Theories on Valefor Earl Wajenberg wrote: > >Shadowstar wrote: > >> Just about the only sticky points in this theory are how did this >> slip by Lucifer? How _can_ he _create_ Demons? How _did_ he steal >> Genubath's word? Who knows. [...] > >I do like the idea of Valefor being Janus (or an angel of his). IMC, Valefor and Janus were distinct, more or less. The reason that I did this was that Gabriel, David and Michael are all associated or allied with Janus, and it seemed unlikely that Janus could fool them all for millenia. Still, throwing away cool ideas only because they're implausible is never fun, so here's what I did. Valefor had stolen the word of Theft from the prior Prince of Theft. In fact, there had been many demons over the ages who had been Prince of Theft -- a demon becomes the Prince of Theft by stealing it from the prior owner. Unfortunately, Valefor's theft did not go entirely according to plan. He managed to steal the older Prince's Word, but did not manage to steal the /power/ associated with being a Demon Prince. This would have meant a very quick and painful death for him, if he hadn't conceived of a second theft: he decided to steal an *archangel's* Forces to gain the power necessary to resist Genubath. Who better, Valefor reasoned, than Janus? Logically, the divine spirit of chaos and disorder couldn't have the tightest security around, so he was clearly the most vulnerable archangel. And off he went to Heaven, to steal Janus's Forces. He succeeded, too -- and with a quick detour through Yves's Library (to steal Nostradamus's prophecies) he emerged in Hell armed with the knowledge necessary to polish off Genubath without so much as mussing his shirt. Then it was just a matter of showing up at the Infernal Court to assume his title as Demon Prince. However, Valefor has a very deep secret. He discovered that even though he had stolen some of Janus's power, he did not have the means to control it. The breath of God blows where *it* wills, not where some jumped-up demon wants. And so the attunements he grants and the dissonance condition he imposes are as close to Janus's as a demon can come. So for the past half-millenium he has had to use excuses, lies and a faked rivalry to "explain" the reason his Princely powers so closely mimic Janus's. Because if the truth were to come out, Asmodeus and Baal would make sure that he ends up very very dead. Why don't the archangels announce this to the world? He thinks it's funny to have a Prince dance to his tune, and it gives Heaven a tremendous, very secret edge. It's quietly kept secret among the archangels -- it wouldn't do for the story to fall into Hell's hands -- but they all accede to its necessity. (Dominic is the least happy with this arrangement, but even he concedes that while Janus is watched by David, the chance that Janus will be corrupted is minimal.) - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:11:43 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> My Personal Theories on Valefor At 6:11 PM -0600 12/28/99, Shadowstar wrote: >However, the SJGames version leaves this firmly set in CDaU It's not that firmly set there. It's weakly set there. At one point, it wasn't there at all. This may have changed, since that point was before the first Cycle was finished. It may not have. We shall see. Which hardly means that one can't speculate. I love speculations. >How _can_ he _create_ Demons? _Does_ he? Or does he just recruit demonlings and add Forces to them? O;> > How _did_ he steal Genubath's word? Who knows. (Lucifer? O;> ) >(though I suspect that these possibilities [AAs making demons, DPs making >angels] may have been answered in the GMG, and that they cannot). Bingo. The thought of what would happen otherwise makes my teeth hurt. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:44:03 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Canon Doubt and Uncertainty At 2:30 PM -0800 12/29/99, David Edelstein wrote: >>>>I have a question about this. I seem to recall reading the GMG that Khalid was to be relegated to the realms of Canon Doubt, but he's got a write up in Superiors 3. Did this change?<<< > >Where in the GMG did you read that? > >I wrote the GMG, and I'm pretty sure I wrote no such thing. And I edited it, and I'm pretty sure I added no such thing! O;> There is a comment about _non-canonical_ campaigns (p. 59) which mentions that in one's personal campaign Khalid might have Fallen, or not even exist. That's not the same thing as CDaU. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 18:51:20 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Sehdim, Discord, and thier Hosts. At 3:28 PM -0600 12/29/99, Justin Buhler wrote: >Can a Shedite impose his Discord on a Host? Yes and no. If a Shedite has Corporeal Discord, then while he's possessing a host, the host will manifest that Discord. (If the Shedite has an Ethereal Discord or a Celestial Discord, it naturally will continue to affect the Shedite normally.) >Adn if so how long does it last, Until the Shedite changes hosts -- the Discord belongs to the Shedite, not the host. >can he leave the Host with the Discord, No way. He'll need a familiar if he wants to escape his Discord for a while. >does it casue any negative reactions to the Shedite, etc.? Well, I dunno about you, but if Joe the Gas Station Attendant suddenly turned blotchy purple and green, I'd react pretty negatively to him... O;> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 17:48:48 -0600 From: Shadowstar Subject: Re: IN> My Personal Theories on Valefor At 6:11 PM -0500 12/29/99, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >[CDaU about Janus/Valefor] not that firmly set there. It's weakly set there. Ah, good point. For some reason I thought it was. . . But maybe I'm just going on the fact that up until now, there has been an attempt to dissuade people from the idea that in fact they _are_ the same being. >_Does_ he [create demons]? Or does he just recruit demonlings and add Forces >to them? O;> I had thought of that, but only after posting it. . . Oh well, at least I got the ball rolling though. >> How _did_ he steal Genubath's word? Who knows. > >(Lucifer? O;> ) Sure. Makes sense. >[aa's making demons, dp's making angels answered in the GMG] Ah, I had thought as much. Alas, my friends didn't manage to snag me a copy of the GMG for christmas! (S1 is the only other book, of all the ones in print, I don't currently have.) Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = shadowstar@centurytel.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur * http://home.centurytel.net/shdwstar/in-nomine/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 01:38:05 +0000 From: Julian Breen Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine themed tarot deck (WAS: Mercurians & Tarot Decks) > >>Jack Elmy for the artwork anyone? > > Blasphemy!! Use John Zeleznik (Burning Feathers Cover), Oops. I was thinking of the cover to the CPG (which is simply the best one in my opinion) but the artist is Gardner, not Elmy, so excuse me. - -- Julian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:48:03 -0600 (EST) From: edg@pyramid.sjgames.com Subject: Re: IN> Sehdim, Discord, and thier Hosts. On Wed, 29 Dec 1999, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > Yes and no. If a Shedite has Corporeal Discord, then while he's possessing > a host, the host will manifest that Discord. (If the Shedite has an Ethereal > Discord or a Celestial Discord, it naturally will continue to affect > the Shedite normally.) Isn't there a Song in the Liber Canticorum that allows Shedim to do this? I don't remember the details, but I seem to recall it taking a fairly long time. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 19:12:18 -0800 From: "Glenn D. Brown" Subject: IN> Re: My personal theories on Valefor This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BF5230.9FE11760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No doubt they'll have some entirely different idea in Valefor's = expansion, but I've played with the idea that Janus might have Fallen = and, in order to keep the fact that he had Fallen a secret, adopted the = name of Valefor. (Which is close to being an anagram 'For Eval') There = are a couple of points that might support this theory.=20 One. According to the Liber Canticorum, page 64-65, Valefor knows the = Songs of Concealment. So he could use the Celestial Song to disguise = himself as Janus. But he can't be Janus, or a Malakite of Janus, using = the Song to disguise himself as Valefor, because the true form of = anything concealed by this Song is always visible in a reflection, and = Valefor's headquarters is full of mirrors. There are no mirrors up in = the air above the Groves.=20 Two, Janus is the one Archangel who always avoids Litheroy, the AA of = Revelation.This suggests to me that Janus has something very important = that he has to hide. =20 Three, if Valefor was Janus, it would help explain how he could steal a = book from Yves' Library. =20 Four. Does anyone know if Janus always had the same Choir attunements = and distinctions that he does now? It would seem reasonable that the AA = of chaotic change must have occasionally changed the powers he choose = to give his followers. So if Janus Fell, lost the Word of Wind, gained = the Word of Theft, and then started giving his angels new powers based = on Theft...well, would anyone notice? =20 I don't know how Janus could tolerate the Light of Heaven after he Fell, = but maybe he has some trick. I notice that he supposedly spends little = time in Heaven nowadays.=20 As I said, I'm pretty sure nothing like this will ever appear in canon, = but what do you think of my reasoning? Are there any flaws you can see?=20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BF5230.9FE11760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
No doubt they'll have some entirely = different=20 idea in Valefor's expansion,  but I've played with the idea that = Janus=20 might have Fallen and, in order to keep the fact that he had Fallen a = secret,=20 adopted the name of Valefor. (Which is close to being an anagram  = 'For=20 Eval') There are a couple of points that might support this theory.=20
One.  According to the Liber = Canticorum,=20 page 64-65, Valefor knows the Songs of Concealment. So he could use the=20 Celestial Song to disguise himself as Janus. But he can't be = Janus,  or a=20 Malakite of Janus, using the Song to disguise himself as Valefor, = because the=20 true form of anything concealed by this Song is always visible in a = reflection,=20 and Valefor's headquarters is full of mirrors. There are no mirrors up = in the=20 air above the Groves.
Two,  Janus is the one = Archangel who always=20 avoids Litheroy, the AA of Revelation.This suggests to me that Janus has = something very important that he has to hide. 
Three, if Valefor was Janus, it = would help=20 explain how he could steal a book from Yves' Library.  =
Four. Does anyone know if Janus = always had the=20 same Choir attunements and distinctions that he does now? It would seem=20 reasonable  that the AA of chaotic change must have  = occasionally=20 changed the powers he choose to give his followers. So if Janus Fell, = lost the=20 Word of Wind, gained the Word of Theft, and then started giving his = angels new=20 powers based on Theft...well, would anyone notice? 
 
I don't know how Janus could = tolerate the Light=20 of Heaven after he Fell, but maybe he has some trick. I notice that he=20 supposedly spends little time in Heaven nowadays. 
As I said, I'm pretty sure nothing = like this=20 will ever appear in canon, but what do you think of my reasoning? Are = there any=20 flaws you can see? 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BF5230.9FE11760-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 15:44:31 +1100 From: Chris Rose Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine themed tarot deck (WAS: Mercurians & Tarot Decks) At 09:45 PM 28/12/99 -0600, you wrote: >At 1:45 AM +0000 12/29/99, Julian Breen wrote: > >Hmm. What about the possibility of an In Nomine themed deck? > > Now, that would be keen. . . (BTW, isn't their already one available >for INS/MV?!?) > >Jack Elmy for the artwork anyone? > > Blasphemy!! Use John Zeleznik (Burning Feathers Cover), Ramo'n Pe'rez >(Notebly: Gabriel, Michael & Baal's expanded writeup pictures*), & Michael >Kucharski (**Amber DRPG Trumps) instead!!! Wash your mouth out ! Only my good buddy Dan Smith would be acceptable .. okay, Ramon Perez could understudy, and erase clean-up lines and other artisty stuff =) (no offence to Ramon - I like his stuff -=almost=- as much as I like Dan's) I bought In Nomine primarily based on the artwork in the main rulebook .... Look out - I'm doing (with Dan's Blessing) an Unofficial Dan Smith website ... Got a few Smif originals I'm gonna scan and put up ... Look out for it soon ! Chris Ofanite of Lightning Angel of Phone Tech Support "Do What Thou Wilt, but Be Cool" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 00:38:44 CST From: "Justin Buhler" Subject: IN> Divine Interventions What happens if a Demon rolls 666 and an Angel rolls 111 at the saem time? (Had a Player ask me that once, I just said it casued some mighty fine havoc, but I'd like to know what othrs think) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 01:58:08 EST From: Dreadblade0328@aol.com Subject: IN> Janus & Valefor Okie dokie. Since all sorts of theories are now being made regading the AA of Wind and Dp of Theft, I'll give you what I think. IMC, Janus & Valefor are the same being-- just different personalities. Basically, when Janus Fell, he didn't go all the way. A part of him refused to believe he had Fallen, so he took the name Valefor. And since he was really chaotic to begin with, he keeps popping between a Fallen and an angel. Basically Janus is his namesake, a two-faced being. The AA Janus has an idea he's Valefor, but he doesn't know what to do. There's really no one he can ask for help: anyone in heaven who knew would try to cage him and most of hell would just kill him. He does get help from one source-- Lilith-- but that's only because she likes that there's a Celestial out there that, like her, isn't static. She thows little stumbling blocks out to keep Judgement and the Game from finding out the truth, and he helps her in a similar fashion. Of course, that doesn't kep God or Lucifer from knowing, but... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:09:43 +0100 From: cd skogsberg Subject: IN> You remember cymatics? For those of you who remember the "Words of Power"[1]: "Overtones makes us listen into another dimension" http://www.alphaomega.se/english/becher.html ObIN: Well... Symphonic disturbances, the Angelic and Demonic tounges, need I go on? (And the "other dimension" stuff: the celestial plane?) /cd [1]: http://www.alphaomega.se/english/cymatics.html - -- "Some people use irony as a surgeon's scalpel. "Others grasp it in hand, adopt a fencer's pose for a few scuffling passes, and then without warning bury it in the opponent's forehead like Hell's own icepick." -- John S. Novak, III ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:53:47 +0100 (MET) From: mouzai44@central.napier.ac.uk (qoaier) Subject: IN> Call your Grandmother & win Cash ! Dial 1-888-386-8760 <<>> Will your best friend accept a collect call from you>>> And better yet, will your not so best friend accept a collect call from you>>> Find out who your real friends are>>> Dial 1-888-386-8760 & win cash. <<>> <<>> <<>> << Subject: Re: IN> Divine Interventions Justin Buhler wrote: > What happens if a Demon rolls 666 and an Angel rolls 111 at the > saem time? Absolutely anything the GM wants. You've just described a situation where the rules themselves say, "The rules don't apply." If you secretly favor one side or the other, now's the time to show your side as coming off better ... if you want. Or you can have two weird things happen that leaves the situation with no advantage to either side. Sequence matters some, too. If the demon rolls 666 first, then there's 111, you can readily paint it as God vetoing Lucifer. If the other order, Lucifer has messed up another divine blessing. If there's a human character present, perhaps the outcome should depend on their actions, since the celestials have cancelled out. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 10:36:10 -0800 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Superior writeups -- Web Page Update Raphael and Genubath have been HTMLized and added to my In Nomine page: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/AmadanSJG/Innomine.htm - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:42:37 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Sehdim, Discord, and thier Hosts. At 7:48 PM -0600 12/29/99, edg@pyramid.sjgames.com wrote: >On Wed, 29 Dec 1999, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> Yes and no. If a Shedite has Corporeal Discord, then while he's possessing >> a host, the host will manifest that Discord.[...] > >Isn't there a Song in the Liber Canticorum that allows Shedim to do this? >I don't remember the details, but I seem to recall it taking a fairly long >time. Ah, here it is. Shedite-specific Song, p. 89. It's called the Song of Corruption, and it takes weeks to transfer the Discord. During this period, the Shedite must be _contineously_ occupying the host. No flipping in and out to get in daily corruption on someone else. And no, you're not exempt from the usual Shedite dissonance conditions. I would imagine that this would be either very difficult, or possibly not usable by Shedim of the Game -- they have a time limit for possession, since they don't have to corrupt their hosts. That's okay, they can still use Symbiosis, and if they feel put out because they don't get to use a Song other Shedim get to use, they can always take it out on the other Shedim. Sometimes it's _good_ to be the Game. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 14:45:16 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Divine Interventions At 12:38 AM -0600 12/30/99, Justin Buhler wrote: >What happens if a Demon rolls 666 and an Angel rolls 111 at the saem time? >(Had a Player ask me that once, I just said it casued some mighty fine >havoc, but I'd like to know what othrs think) Mighty Fine Havoc sounds good to me. Or possibly, Mayhem Ensues. And then there's always the option, "There is a blinding flash of light. You all wake up next to your Hearts. No, no, you still have vessels." (Just watch out for mutations... But then, this is akin to the IOU Lazarus Health Center response to Bad Things Happening.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 15:40:50 -0500 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Khalid and Religion At 1:49 -0500 12/26/99, BillionSix@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 12/25/99 11:32:33 PM Central Standard Time, >This was BB wasn't it? (Before Beth) Sort of -- she was LE for FotM and FT, but most of the characters and plot had been pretty much decided beforehand. And she hadn't yet gotten used to waving around her Line Editor's 2x4.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1478 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1999 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.