From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Mar 24 15:54:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA22382 for ; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:54:53 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id PAA02972 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:52:37 -0600 Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:52:37 -0600 Message-Id: <199903242152.PAA02972@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1176 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, March 24 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1176 In this digest: Re: IN> Nailed: Bonded Servitors IN> Re:kyrios and why they are bad IN> Re:kyrios and why they are bad IN> Re: uriel's favour IN> direction stuff Re: IN> Perl and Angel fiction IN> more direction stuff IN> a tidier version of vephar IN> This is a bit sad. Re: IN> Re:kyrios and why they are bad Re: IN> Nailed: Bonded Servitors Re: IN> Archives Re: IN> St. Gabriel's Day Re: IN> Archives Re: IN> St. Gabriel's Day IN> historical in nomine Re: IN> Re:kyrios and why they are bad Re: IN> St. Gabriel's Day Re: IN> St. Gabriel's Day Re: IN> historical in nomine Re: IN> St. Gabriel's Day Re: IN> historical in nomine Re: IN> St. Gabriel's Day Re: IN> St. Gabriel's Day Re: IN> St. Gabriel's Day Re: IN> historical in nomine Re: IN> historical in nomine Re: IN> direction stuff Re: IN> St. Gabriel's Day Re: IN> historical in nomine Re: IN> New Material/Fresh Ideas Re: IN> Archives Re: IN> New Material/Fresh Ideas ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:10:58 -0600 From: Uncle Wolf Subject: Re: IN> Nailed: Bonded Servitors Thank you for giving us this, Earl -- I am going to make this Canon for my game. I'll probably tweak the Essence/Rites bit, but this is _basically_ being dropped into my WOD/IN world whole, in one piece. Ave Gabriel, Lady of Lights, on this your day!! Tom Timberlake, Cadre Cherub of Heaven - -- "it's a dog eat dog world and I'm wearing milkbone underwear" Cheers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:14:43 PST From: "Martin Arnold" Subject: IN> Re:kyrios and why they are bad EDG: "Not really. Divine possession - being filled with the Glory of God, and acting purely on His Will rather than your own - is not unheard of in history, and many people are quite willing to host an Agent of God for a while." History, shmistory. :-) You cant seriously tell me you'd trust a Kyrio with your body!!! The only one's I'd trusts are angels of Destiny, but even then only at a pinch. I think they should be changed; maybe they have to do something in return for the favour. It could be like a geas, the mortal gets a geas/x on the Kyrio (as well as his normal dissonance bit) as a result so he can call on the angel for support if needed. Martin "just look at it this way, a river of space, a ripple of time... like a burial" Thomas Dolby Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:14:56 PST From: "Martin Arnold" Subject: IN> Re:kyrios and why they are bad EDG: "Not really. Divine possession - being filled with the Glory of God, and acting purely on His Will rather than your own - is not unheard of in history, and many people are quite willing to host an Agent of God for a while." History, shmistory. :-) You cant seriously tell me you'd trust a Kyrio with your body!!! The only one's I'd trusts are angels of Destiny, but even then only at a pinch. I think they should be changed; maybe they have to do something in return for the favour. It could be like a geas, the mortal gets a geas/x on the Kyrio (as well as his normal dissonance bit) as a result so he can call on the angel for support if needed. Martin "just look at it this way, a river of space, a ripple of time... like a burial" Thomas Dolby Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:15:27 PST From: "Martin Arnold" Subject: IN> Re: uriel's favour Richard: "Reversed in which way? Blandine killing the dragons, or the dragons (et al) winning the Crusade?" The latter is what I originally intended, but I'm open to ideas! Maybe Blandine mde Uriel her scapegoat na dGOd was in on the whole scam hence Uriel's disappearence - he was just about to spill the beans! Maybe the ethereals were the irginal angels and what we have now in Heaven are the secodn generation or something who took over. Maybe Blandine is God(dess). Who knows! Martin "just look at it this way, a river of space, a ripple of time... like a burial" Thomas Dolby Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:15:57 PST From: "Martin Arnold" Subject: IN> direction stuff David: "Religion in In Nomine? Satire and biting political commentary? Yeah, I'd love to see that too." Well it was there in the orirginal, apparently, why was it squeezed out by SJG? The rulebook isn't all that satirical; I remember an interview with Derek in the british mag Arcane in which he claimed Hell was modelled on America. I didn't get that impression from reading the book. Hell in there is somewhat bland really. Why are there no casinos apparent in Hades, for instance; and whyt is Shal-Mari the dumping ground for all the new Princes? "I'm not sure we have any writers who excel at that, aside from Derek Pearcy." Hire Armando iannucci or Victor Louis-Smith. ~evil laiughter~ "On the other hand, a lot of the complaints…have been about things addressed by the Liber Books: "Not enough Songs." "Not enough spiffy artifacts and other MacGuffins." "Not enough adventure seeds." "How do Tethers work?" (How quickly we forget that Tethers were the source of numerous TFHs before the Liber Castellorum came out and answered most of those questions.)" I ersonally would rather have a game system where lists iof 'things' aren't necessary. People can make up their own by all means, but books of lists irk me. That's not a commentary on the quality but such concepts can only be limiting. What is 'TFH'? "just look at it this way, a river of space, a ripple of time... like a burial" Thomas Dolby Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:18:32 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Perl and Angel fiction From: Whistling in the Dark > >>Menunim: True-life stories about people overcoming adversity. >> > >Nah -- stream of consciousness neopsychadelia. And Sandman Fanfic. But their purpose is to encourage humanity to reach its own potential for Destiny, is it not? (I have to admit that I'm sick with jealousy over the person who suggested that Impudites would be literary critics, though, because I REALLY wish I'd thought of it first...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:16:21 PST From: "Martin Arnold" Subject: IN> more direction stuff Shadowsatr: "I see IN NOMINE in terms of a story that keeps changing with each turn of the page. Evolution in motion (that I'm a creationist makes for wonky, but that's going off-topic. . .)." That's the problem: we are being sold the story of a small minority. This is bad. Given that IN is such a charatcer driven game, it is understandable, but it is not healthy to sell us the SJG inhouse campaign. That is how it seems to me. By all means hint at things, but do it properly. "What I'd like to see is some -major- mondo stuff going on. And I'm not talking about the dissapointment that the Revelations cycle was. Surprise us with a few falls, few redemtions and perhaps a few destructions." Surprise yourself; decide for yourself whther Janus is Valefor or whatever. :-) If you rely on SJG to write your hgame for you you wont enhoy it as much. In other wiords, let that creative spark burn, and come up with something wholly original. " I certainly could go for more gaming sessions ala Holy War. . . Or heaven forbid, -more- Dark Victory." Whatever your personal taste, but I'd like to move away from Dark Victory and such ideas. Em: "1. Real IN setting books on Heaven and Hell -- politics, economics, philosophy, etc. What is it like to really be a demon hanging out in Hell." I was thinking that the Damned (aand maybe the Saved) might end up emulating the kind of strucure that society has today. For instance, a politican in Stygia might associate with kindree spirits and look down on those he would have disdained in life, suhc as the thieves and vagabonds serving Theft. No doubt demons would find this amusing. You could invent a whole 'underground' civilisation. "Some of these might actually be in production. I dunno. I'm working on psychic powers, but the Vaputech keeps burning my hair and all the device does so far is go "beep"." Turn it up to 11! Martin "just look at it this way, a river of space, a ripple of time... like a burial" Thomas Dolby Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:17:09 PST From: "Martin Arnold" Subject: IN> a tidier version of vephar Ok, here's a tidier version of Vephar, let this be a lesson to me in being more tidy! Vephar, Demon Prince of the Oceans "The World is drowning; Here be monstres..." Vephar began his days as an Ofanim in service to Oannes, Archangel of The Waters. In those days he swam with the dolphins and would cruise the ocean depths watching over sailing ships as humans began to voyage around their world. he even held a word as a distincted servitor; he was the angel of Tides, and loved the gentle lap of the surf against the sand. He would make sure that humans returned from the sea safely. A celestial lighthouse, in many ways. Vephar was one of Oannes' few servants who disliked his masters hostile relationship with Jordi. Vephar, and those like him, nurtured great love of the creatures of the seas. While they served Oannes faithfully, they still associated with the fishes. Jordi himself was ignorant of this, as Vephar was always careful to avoid angels of Animals who were at sea. Whenever they approached he would dive down below the surface to places where the light could not be found. At first this frightened him, he could not believe there where such places on earth - did not the light of Heaven shine everywhere? Not in these dismal depths. But in time found himself growing accustomed to these places; he became sluggish, unwilling to move on and away. He found that he had developed a strange affinity for the odd creatures that survived there; this must be the primal strength that Jordi espoused and Oannes lacked. These creatures seemed almost 'outcast', alien, yet wild and strong; strong enough to survive in a place without light or warmth. Vephar began to change. He began to slow down, fixating on these lifeforms, almost obsessing over them. He emulated their hardiness, their tenacity and soon enough their physical outlook. Then came the destructive tendencies. As Vephar's resonance changed he found himself sullen and withdrawn, regularly avoiding contact with even his fellow servants of Oannes - those who shared his feelings toward marine life. He understood more and more the analogy between the oceans of water and the oceans of the heart. He travelled to the north to where the icebergs formed, marvelling at their hidden depths and dangers. He wondered what it would be like to become one and so created a vessel for himself in the form of a vast iceberg. As he learned how to wreck ships and destroy men he added a new side to his changed nature; the power of the oceans was in his hands. A power over which man had no dominion. This was his territory and he would do with man what he desired. He would destroy them. With his new-found lease of life, he approached a servant of Jordi and demanded that his master speak with him; he felt he had much to offer Jordi's word. The angel, frightened, realised that Vephar, if he hadn't already, was on the verge of Falling and so passed the message along to Oannes through his servants. Oannes was furious and proceeded to cast Vephar out of Heaven, unaware he was way beyond saving already. The dissonant Ofanim sank to new depths and found a home in hell. Sometimes Vephar would manifest in the cold and lonely reaches of the seas as a vast monster, fuelling mankind's fears of Kraken and Leviathans; monstrous oceanic behemoths. He would swallow ships whole and drag men down to the dark oceanic depths he had made his home just to kill them. Vephar had sunk to the furthest pit, Hell. Lucifer crowned him Demon Prince of the Oceans and charged him with foiling his old master on earth. Now Vephar represents the power of the oceans in all its destructive and lonely connotations; of being shipwrecked or consumed by giant sea monsters, of being sunk by an iceberg, of those cold and terrible depths themselves whose very nature demands a cold and strong heart to survive. Vephar, Calabite Prince of the Oceans. In hell, Vephar's principality (nicknamed Davy Jones' Locker by some of his servants) although relatively small, is an underground sea, like something out of Jules Verne. The shores are populated by giant dinosaurs and bathed in a heatless, pale phosphorescence. The waters themselves are beyond deep; populated themselves by hideous sea creatures - their souls in fact - and vast shipwrecks. It is in one of these (thought to be the Titanic, or the Marie Celeste), that Vephar himself holds court. The Prince likes to manifest as a huge angelfish. In his domain are the souls of shipwrecked criminals (such as those exiled to Australia), mutineers, drowned babies and sunken U-Boat crews. Vephars' relations with his infernal peers are somewhat straightforward. He is often allied with Beleth whose word he promotes through the stories sailors tell about what they have seen in the seas. He also helped Beleth when Uriel invaded the Marches; Vephar offered shelter to those mythological beasts whose home was the ocean, many of whom now find themselves in thrall to the Prince in Hell. He admires the destructiveness of Belial, with whom he finds a kinship, however the Prince of Fire often regards Vephar, coldly, as a wet fish! Valefor has nor special love for Vephar as many souls that find themselves in his realm, he feels, should belong in Stygia; the souls of pirates and buccaneers who deserve better! Vephar particularly admires Kronos and would love to earn his respect. He sees him as the epitome of all that is evil, seeing one's descent to Fate perfectly mirrored by the journey into the oceanic depths. For his part, Kronos merely views him as one more angel who has met his fate; Vephar is a limited creature with a limited purpose who fulfils his role adequately. The rest of the demon court are largely indifferent to him, and vice versa; their words have little in common with him as he really is only a minor power. Dissonance For demons of the deep, it is dissonant to help anyone lost or stuck at sea in some way. Although they needn't deliberately hinder people, all must feel the isolation of the oceans. Band Attunements Balseraph Vephar's liars can add their Celestial Forces to the Check Digit of a successful resonance roll whenever they do try to hinder someone at sea. For example they may lie to someone about where they are going, or the safety of the local sea/weather conditions, etc. Djinn Stalkers of the sea don't gain dissonance if their attuned is lost at sae. And they always know the location of their watery grave (or place last seen). Calabim Those who share their master's band can cover the effects of their resonance by making it look like water erosion or drowning. Of course this will not always seem plausible, but it will look real. Habbalah The Ocean's punishers can add their Celestial Forces to any resonance attempt that will instil in their targets a terrible fear of the sea. Lilim Daughters of the depths are exempted from Vephar's dissonance when using their special brand of help. However they must Geas that person afterwards (not necessarily immediately of course) else they will receive a note of dissonance as a sign of their master's ire. Shedim Vephar's Shedim, to spite Jordi, can make use of Albatross as vessels. They needn't try to corrupt that vessel, just so long as they use it to cause problems for any ship they circle above. If they do not at least try and cause the legendary bad luck, they will receive a point of dissonance. They may also posses the remains of anyone lost at sea, providing that such remains exist; the body must be in a usable state (i.e. not a jar of ashes scattered at sea). Of course, the cause of death (if they actually died and didn't just vanish), may make it difficult to pass as normal. The power also doesn't grant the Shedite the ability to justify the sudden and probably inexplicable return of the vessel so he will have to rely on his own ingenuity. The demon may only remain in the body for a number of days equal to his Celestial Forces, but there is no need for further corruption. Once the Shedite leaves, the body will return to its previous state within a number of hours equal to the demon's Celestial Forces. Impudites These takers need not Charm their victims if they can simpler persuade them to tell a genuine seafaring tale of their own first. If the tale is sufficiently impressive, the GM may modify the chances of stealing essence in the demon's favour later on. However, he must make the attempt immediately. Servitor Attunements Swell This allows the angel to dramatically increase or decrease the size of a body of water. The angel is restricted in that the size of the body affected may only be equal to his own mass (in game this is meant to reflect the power of his corporeal forces). Each point of essence spent can affect the size (in all dimensions, although still obeying natural laws) by double or half, but the cost also doubles as well. This can be used on pouring rain to increase the strength of the rain accordingly. Iceberg With this power the demon can hide his demonic nature temporarily. With a successful Will roll, he can appear, to all intents and purposes, human. In order to activate this power, the character must bather himself or otherwise by immersed in water. It costs a point of essence to activate, which is spent afterwards. The effect lasts for a number of hours equal to the demon's Celestial Forces. Distinctions Knight of the Oceans Vephar's Knight's are never lost while at sea; they always know where they are. Captain of Shipwrecks Vephar's Captains are automatically granted a new vessel if their current one is lost to the sea, providing he didn't die alone (i.e. the others weren't also servants of Vephar or otherwise friendly demons). However Vephar commonly asks the demon to do something special as a result; no superior just gives away vessels - not in Hell anyway! Baron of the Abyss Such demons can drown a mortal without causing disturbance at all. Basic Rites Pressgang a mortal (two essence for an angel!) Find sunken treasure Survive a shark attack Relations Allied: Beleth Associated: Saminga, Malphas, Nybbas (Jaws?) Hostile: None especially (you'd have to ask them!) Enemy: Valefor. Chance of Invocation: on land 0 (and always guarantees a hostel reception); at sea 2; in the middle of the ocean 3 Invocation Modifiers 1. A battered shark cage 2. The survivors of a sea disaster, discussing their experience in depth 3. A drowning man 4. The design for a ship, unwittingly and fatally flawed 5. The wreck of the Titanic 6. The Bermuda triangle Martin, a very disciplined writer as you can see! "just look at it this way, a river of space, a ripple of time... like a burial" Thomas Dolby Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 18:16:01 -0000 From: "Hart, Joanna" Subject: IN> This is a bit sad. OK, I have a very basic perl script for the biblical translations. I don't claim it as an example of coding wizardry, or that it works on any system other than the unix one on which I tested it. If anyone really wants it, drop me an email at jhart@btinternet.com It's also quite easy to make it do really silly things (pending some changes I need to make when I have time). Still, here is an example of it in action: (Input data) Eighty-one per cent of the UK population think men with impotence should get treatment on the NHS, a survey has found. The MORI poll was commissioned by the Impotence Association. It also found 85% thought it should be up to a doctor to decide who gets the treatment on the NHS. (Output) 1. And eighty-one per cent of the UK population think men with impotence should get treatment on the NHS, a survey has found. 2. Behold! The MORI poll was commissioned by the Impotence Association. 3. Lo! It also found 85% thought it should be up unto a doctor unto decide who gets the treatment on the NHS. jo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:34:21 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Re:kyrios and why they are bad My impression of kyrios was that they tended to work in one of two ways -- very briefly inhabit the bodies of strangers, or acquire a team of willing hosts who know it well. And there's using animals, plants, and machines, in a few cases. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:39:29 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Nailed: Bonded Servitors Glad you liked it. By the way, it follows from my description that a Bonded with an alienated Superior wants to avoid corporeal death very strenuously, since, if they aren't simply plucked apart while in Trauma, they'll most likely wake up to a very final bit of debriefing. Alienated Bonded probably seek sanctuary with their Superior's former allies, in many cases. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:02:23 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Archives From: Kelly St.Clair > >ObIN: Buffy the Demon Slayer, Soldier of ? Whichever Archangel hates Saminga the most, would be my guess. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:22:11 GMT From: maya@tcp.co.uk (GR Cogman) Subject: Re: IN> St. Gabriel's Day > >> At 10:16 AM -0500 3/24/99, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >> >By the way, according to my desk calendar, today is St. Gabriel's Day. >> >and Elizabeth McCoy replied: >> Ah. In honor of this, we should light candles? (Heh. And not >> tell anyone *why*, just that it's traditional, and see what we >> start...) Well, according to my desk calendar (and perhaps I have the same one as Earl - - if your entry for today also mentions the word "caul", Earl, we do, I think) St Gabriel is the patron saint of childbirth. Ah well, one can still light the candles. Nothing wrong with candles. - --- Maya, Elohite of Eli in service to Blandine maya@tcp.co.uk - -- "There are those who say that wizards are subject to temptations and addictions beyond the understanding of ordinary men: the addiction to shape-changing, or to meditation under the influence of certain herbs and conditions of the stars; the obsession with knowledge, and the development of power. Yet this is not so. Temptation is temptation, obsession is obsession, and choice is choice." - Isar Chelladan, Precepts of Wizardry. -- "Dog Wizard", Barbara Hambly. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:21:29 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Archives >From: Kelly St.Clair >> >>ObIN: Buffy the Demon Slayer, Soldier of ? > > >Whichever Archangel hates Saminga the most, would be my guess. Michael. Not because he hates Saminga, but because Buffy is a proud, single warrior fighting against the forces of Darkness. She is *so* Michael. - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | non in-nomine mail to sabre@annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:33:38 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> St. Gabriel's Day Maya (GR Cogman) wrote: > Well, according to my desk calendar (and perhaps I have the same > one as Earl - if your entry for today also mentions the word "caul", > Earl, we do, I think) St Gabriel is the patron saint of childbirth. > > Ah well, one can still light the candles. Nothing wrong with candles. Yes, the word for the day is "caul" on my calendar as well. (For the rest of you, it's a word-a-day calendar called "Forgotten English." It includes such gems as "sproag: to run among the haystacks after the girls at night." Note that some society had a simple, one-syllable word for this...) Gabriel is also the patron saint of messengers and media, as well as birth, in the real-world Catholic calendar of saints, because he shows up in the Gospels bearing messages about births (John the Baptist's as well as Christ's). Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:42:30 -0500 From: Ben Aldred Subject: IN> historical in nomine I was wondering what people think about the potentials of historical settings for In nomine are. I think there could be a lot of potential for historical settings. I was wondering what people's favorite ideas for these would be. Ben, Ofanite of Stone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:41:18 +0100 (CET) From: Anders Gabrielsson Subject: Re: IN> Re:kyrios and why they are bad On Wed, 24 Mar 1999, Martin Arnold wrote: > You cant seriously tell me you'd trust a Kyrio with your body!!! The > only one's I'd trusts are angels of Destiny, but even then only at a > pinch. I think they should be changed; maybe they have to do something > in return for the favour. It could be like a geas, the mortal gets a > geas/x on the Kyrio (as well as his normal dissonance bit) as a result > so he can call on the angel for support if needed. Remember their dissonance condition - if they leave you worse off than you were when they possessed you, they get dissonance. In other words, it's very important to them to take good care of you while they loan your body - - they'll do their best to try to leave you better off than you were. Anders Gabrielsson anders@stp.ling.uu.se The contents of this message belong to me and nobody else. So there! We don't get extra credit for how much suffering we endure. The only score worth keeping is how little suffering we inflict and how much we relieve. - Ghost ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 19:47:59 -0000 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> St. Gabriel's Day - -----Original Message----- From: Earl Wajenberg To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: 24 March 1999 19:44 Subject: Re: IN> St. Gabriel's Day > >Yes, the word for the day is "caul" on my calendar as well. So what does it say about tomorrow? jo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:51:58 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> St. Gabriel's Day Jo Hart wrote: > So what does it say about tomorrow? "horn-thumb: "A thimble of horn worn on the thumb by cut-purses for resisting the edge of the knife in cutting." -- Walter Skeat's "Glossary of Tudor and Stuart Words," 1914 "A nickname for a pickpocket. This quaint term ... alludes to an old expedient for pickpockets, or cut-purses, who were said to place a case or thimble of horn on their thumbs to resist the edge of their knife in the act of cutting purses." -- Rober Nare's "Glossary of the Works of English Authors," 1859 "St. Dysmas's Day: Patron saint of thieves, criminals, and undertakers." I guess he'd work with Janus's angels. (He was the thief crucified next to Christ, whom Christ told "You will be with me in paradise." Thus his canonicity as a saint is about as definite as one can get.) Clearly, they select the word of the day to fit with the saint of the day. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:26:45 +0100 (CET) From: Anders Gabrielsson Subject: Re: IN> historical in nomine On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, Ben Aldred wrote: > I was wondering what people think about the potentials of historical > settings for In nomine are. I think there could be a lot of potential for > historical settings. I was wondering what people's favorite ideas for > these would be. I think there is a huge potential for some really cool scenarios set in historical times. Off the top of my head: * The Crusades - naturally. Which AA:s support it, which are against? Were they inspired by angels or demons, or did we come up with them on our own? How do they change the split between Gabriel and Dominic? How does this affect their servitors? And the Templars! Mustn't forget them... :) * The French Revolution. Conspiracies, secret societies, great upheaval. * WWII. How do you help an SS officer reach his Destiny? (Sidenote: one of the very few stories I remember from English class was one about an angel that saved Hitler's life when he was a young child and almost drowned. Could be a -very- optimistic servitor of Yves...) * The Reformation. What does Laurence and Dominic think about this? Will they try to fight it, or just let it happen? Anders Gabrielsson anders@stp.ling.uu.se The contents of this message belong to me and nobody else. So there! We don't get extra credit for how much suffering we endure. The only score worth keeping is how little suffering we inflict and how much we relieve. - Ghost ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:28:37 +0100 (CET) From: Anders Gabrielsson Subject: Re: IN> St. Gabriel's Day On Wed, 24 Mar 1999, Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Clearly, > they select the word of the day to fit with the saint of the day. What sain't got "sproag"? :) Anders Gabrielsson anders@stp.ling.uu.se The contents of this message belong to me and nobody else. So there! We don't get extra credit for how much suffering we endure. The only score worth keeping is how little suffering we inflict and how much we relieve. - Ghost ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:37:43 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Shumaker Subject: Re: IN> historical in nomine On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, Ben Aldred wrote: #I was wondering what people think about the potentials of historical #settings for In nomine are. I think there could be a lot of potential for #historical settings. I was wondering what people's favorite ideas for #these would be. #Ben, Ofanite of Stone My campaign (that is currently on hold) is set in France in the 1600s. You have the Enlightenment, religous strife, and swashbuckling all for the price of one. The only problem that I have had is that there are too many historical figures that one wants to just say..."Oh yeah definately a servant of Hell." - --Jim Shumaker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:36:53 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> St. Gabriel's Day Anders Gabrielsson wrote: > What saint got "sproag"? :) St Prophyry: "Known for her crusade against idolatry in ancient Rome. Statues of Venus, which were often prayed to by love-struck girls, were said to have self-destructed in Porphyry's presence." Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:42:48 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> St. Gabriel's Day From: Earl Wajenberg >Jo Hart wrote: > >> So what does it say about tomorrow? > >"horn-thumb: Neat! Where can I get a copy of the calendar you're referring to? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:47:50 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> St. Gabriel's Day Prodigal wrote: > Neat! Where can I get a copy of the calendar you're referring to? In the back, it says, "Catalog No. 99014. Published by Pomegranate, Box 6099, Rohnert Park, California 94927." Also gives the URL www.pomegranate.com ISBN 0-7649-0428-0 Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:51:57 EST From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> historical in nomine In a message dated 3/24/99 11:41:44 AM, aldrebe@earlham.edu writes: >I was wondering what people think about the potentials of historical >settings for In Nomine are. I think there could be a lot of potential >for >historical settings. I was wondering what people's favorite ideas for >these would be. >Ben, Ofanite of Stone How about England during the Interregnum? Or the US during the/our Civil War? Or Spain during the Inquisition? Or c. 32 AD in Palestine? (You'd be playing heavily in CDaU...) Or Czarist Russia? Or Italy during the dawn of the Renaissance? (Can you say Borgia, boys and girls?) (Phew ... and that's just off the top of my head.) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:00:47 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> historical in nomine Recommendation: Historical *settings* are grand, but stay away from historical *figures* except for titillating cameo appearances, unless you specifically want to represent human history as heavily micro-managed by celestials. If you do, fine, but if you just sort of slide into it by accident, you may regret it later. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:06:58 EST From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> direction stuff In a message dated 3/24/99 12:18:56 PM Central Standard Time, martyarnie@hotmail.com writes: > Why are there no casinos > apparent in Hades, for instance; and whyt is Shal-Mari the dumping > ground for all the new Princes? There probably is a casino or two in Hades, (unless gambling is illegal there, in which case they'd just be illegal casinos) It's just that Shal-Mari is known for that sort of thing. We have a riverboat casino here in Evansville, but I'm sure most people will still go to Las Vegas for their gambling needs. As for why new princes go there, the only one that comes to mind right now is Furfur. The only reason I can think of is that the other principalities have got strangleholds on them by other princes. Or no one would want them. The only reason Abaddon is occupied at all is because Saminga is fool enough to want it. And I doubt he would share it if someone else wanted it. Shal-Mari is the closest thing Hell has to a Land of Opportunity. Of course we don't know exactly how things work in Hell. If Furfur became powerful enough, he could probably find, create, steal a principality to call his own. Brian A Rogers, Elohite of Whatever (one Word is as good as another, objectively speaking) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:10:47 +0100 (CET) From: Anders Gabrielsson Subject: Re: IN> St. Gabriel's Day On Wed, 24 Mar 1999, Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Anders Gabrielsson wrote: > > > What saint got "sproag"? :) > > St Prophyry: "Known for her crusade against idolatry in ancient Rome. > Statues of Venus, which were often prayed to by love-struck girls, were > said to have self-destructed in Porphyry's presence." *LOL* I suppose she'd be responsible for making Spice Girls posters ignite if she came down to Earth today... :) Anders Gabrielsson anders@stp.ling.uu.se The contents of this message belong to me and nobody else. So there! We don't get extra credit for how much suffering we endure. The only score worth keeping is how little suffering we inflict and how much we relieve. - Ghost ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:32:11 -0800 From: thealien@dangerzone.org Subject: Re: IN> historical in nomine At 09:26 PM 3/24/99 +0100, Anders Gabrielsson wrote: >* The Reformation. What does Laurence and Dominic think about this? Will >they try to fight it, or just let it happen? > >Anders Gabrielsson >anders@stp.ling.uu.se I believe we are told in Night Music (?) that Laurence encouraged Martin Luther, 'influencing' him on the sly. Except Laurence wanted Luther to reform the Church from within...he made something of a mistake... But to oppose or support it? Laurence in modern day seems to support pretty much all Christianity. Dominic, who favors Catholocism, was doubtless a little upset. Could servants of Malphas or Malphas himself have been involved at the beginning? Perhaps. But I like humans constantly suprising both sides. So we'll say Factions didn't get involved until later...surely, though, once seeing that humans split the Church once.. Interesting topic... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:04:09 -0000 From: "Ramesh Satkurunath" Subject: Re: IN> New Material/Fresh Ideas Emily K. Dresner wrote: >1. Real IN setting books on Heaven and Hell -- politics, economics, >philosophy, etc. What is it like to really be a demon hanging out in >Hell. H&H was sort of basic and unsatisfying, but this is where angels >and demons spend most of their time. Failing that, IN Stygia and/or IN >Shal-Mari. Where angels spnd most of their time? Not if you are a favoured servitor, keeping you in the Celestial Realm is a waste of a resource they (which ever side) want you fighting the [good/bad] fight [down/up] on earth. Don't they? Ramesh aka Angel of Fiddling, Seraph of the Wind "Balseraph of Theft you say, why the very idea is absurd! I *am* a Seraph of the Wind. No, really!" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:25:44 GMT+10 From: "Leath Sheales" Subject: Re: IN> Archives In reply to: > >>ObIN: Buffy the Demon Slayer, Soldier of ? > >Whichever Archangel hates Saminga the most, would be my guess. > > Michael. Not because he hates Saminga, but because Buffy is a proud, > single warrior fighting against the forces of Darkness. She is *so* > Michael. I'd say Laurence. Look at her support network. She's got a Watcher (another more experienced soldier, or if you want real IN, a Cherub), and several others helping her. Admittedly she doesn't do things 'by the book', which frustrates her watcher most of the time. If she served Micahel, the watcher would encourage her to come up with new and interesting ways of fighting. Leath. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:47:07 +1000 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> New Material/Fresh Ideas Emily K. Dresner wrote: > > Here's my challenge to people complaining about stale ideas -- you're very > > good at talking about what you don't like and what you don't want to see. > > What DO you want? Be specific. > > I had, in fact, written down a list of book topics, and some of those > even survived Jo going "Lame, lame, really lame." Let me dig them up... > 2. The History of Hell / The History of Heaven (the Fall). I agree on this one. Heck, you could get a couple of books worth out of this topic. I'd be very interested to see some useful (that is, brief but including the most important bits) books on historical IN. > 4. IN Renegades and Outcasts. A very popular topic. Oh yeah. I'd _love_ to see something done on this... > 6. A really damn good scenario book, which concentrates and focuses on > that scenario. Dunno about that. People play IN in a lot of different styles (ie the four options in the back of the rulebook, and variants like 'superheroic' and 'high wierdness'. I could see many IN scenarios only being appropriate for one or two style of play - and that would leave a scenario book with a lot of dead space for many players. > 8. A suggestion from elsewhere was IN Religion - a treatment of Judaism, > Christianity and Islam from the POV of Heaven and Hell. Certainly. Definitely. And while we're outling what we want, here's another one: a book on Words and the Word-bound. Not the sexiest topic, but one that gets discussed a _lot_ here. A Liber book that deals with such would be really useful. - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia Journalism is not a profession or a trade. It is a cheap catch-all for fuckoffs & misfits - a false doorway to the backside of life, a filthy piss-ridden little hole nailed off by the building inspector, but just deep enough for a wino to curl up from the sidewalk and masturbate like a chimp in a zoo-cage. HUNTER S. THOMPSON, "Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas" ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1176 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1999 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.