From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Apr 1 15:41:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA00561 for ; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:41:34 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id PAA25962 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:37:56 -0600 Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:37:56 -0600 Message-Id: <199904012137.PAA25962@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1187 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, April 1 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1187 In this digest: Re: IN> Why on earth can't Malakim fall? Re: IN> New Vessels Re: IN> Andre's dissonance conditions IN> House Tether: Glastonbury Abbey Re: IN> House Tether: Glastonbury Abbey Re: IN> Kyriotates and Multiplicity Quasifluff (Was other stuff) IN> anyone from chicago IN> Looking for a game in Dallas Re: IN> House Tether: Glastonbury Abbey IN> Malakite vessels Re: IN> Why on earth can't Malakim fall? Re: IN> Malakite vessels Re: IN> Book Breakdowns (Re: CDaU) IN> Plot Seed: The Body Box IN> Ofanim and the Songs of Motion IN> "Screwtape" excerpts Re: IN> Plot Seed: The Body Box Re: IN> Ofanim and the Songs of Motion IN> It's been fun! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 12:33:20 -0800 (PST) From: -=|horsefly|=- Subject: Re: IN> Why on earth can't Malakim fall? Whistling in the Dark said: [three points snipped] yup, Malakim are the Terminators of Heaven. -=|horsefly|=- "Listen, and understand! That Terminator is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely _will not stop, EVER_, until you are dead!" --Kyle Reese, THE TERMINATOR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 15:54:22 -0500 From: neel@cswv.com (Neel Krishnaswami) Subject: Re: IN> New Vessels Earl Wajenberg wrote: > >Do you suppose that Malakite vessels tend to all look the same? >I mean, they run through them pretty quickly, and are ready for >the next one immediately. Maybe there's a Standard Laurencian >Issue Malakite Vessel that Laurence runs off by the gross and >wearhouses somewhere, with celestial quartermasters handing them >out as needed. You can only distinguish them by serial numbers. >(And if Laurence's don't have serial numbers, I bet Jean's or >Marc's Malakim's do.) > >At the least, a Malakite's next vessel might tend to look a lot >like his previous vessel. Why bother to do other than run off >another copy? (Well, I suppose you don't want to give the >mortals the impression that there are Secret Clone Wars going >on, but aside from that...) IMC, each of the archangels had a small stock of spare vessels for their Servitors. When an angel came out of trauma, he could go to one of that archangel's celestial quartermasters and requisition another vessel, without contacting his archangel. Since these vessels were used up on an irregular basis, there was no telling what was in- stock -- it was possible that all the buff Arnold-alike vessels were used up and only a toddler vessel. If the angel got ahold of its archangel, it was possible to get a custom vessel. You had to do this if you needed a very specific type of vessel -- most commonly an angel would want a new vessel identical to an old one, so that it could continue in its Role. This was the same for all angels -- IMC the Trauma-immunity thing was something any angel could learn if it lost enough Vessels. (And brand-new Malakim didn't have it; it was purely a function of experience.) Demons had it harder. It's, er, unsafe, to report to an avaricious and grasping demon prince (ie, all of them) that you have managed to wreck the body that it had constructed for you. If you worked for a Prince who was obsessive about record-keeping and discipline (like Kronos, Baal, or Asmodeus) then you had two choices. You could face your Prince and try to invent a plausible-sounding excuse for your death and pin the blame on someone else. Or you could bribe the demons who were supposed to keep an eye on Servitors who went into and then try to buy a body on the black market before your Prince realized you had died. This was more common for Servitors of the slack Princes (like Haagenti or Saminga), because they usually had more opportunities to cover up their deaths. So the black market in Vessels sold disproportionately to Servitors of these Princes, which was why the Game turned a blind eye to it. It created a convenient way of keeping tabs that Princes were too slothful to do so, and it provided an easy way of blackmailing Servitors of these same Princes. - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswv.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:28:38 -0500 From: John Karakash - Lucent ASCC Subject: Re: IN> Andre's dissonance conditions > > >> > > huh? > > Short for /proably not canon because I'm sick, with a spurious > q. 'probably not QUITE canon because I'm sick' possibly. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ | John Karakash - Lucent Technologies/Bell Labs | | (919)388-2665(COOL) MIB2300 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:29:00 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: IN> House Tether: Glastonbury Abbey The following is a Tether that I've written up as a part of an Arthurian project I'm working on. It's modern and can fit easily enough into a British Campaign or adventure if someone wants. Comments cheerfully accepted. Glastonbury Abbey Tether to Blandine Glastonbury Abbey, in England's West Somerset, has been home to a monestary offically since 673 AD, when a Benedictine Order officially took residence. Many believe that it had been a center of Christianity for centuries before that, however, and that Christianity on the British Isles first began there when Joseph of Arimathea landed his boat Wearyall Hill just outside of the modern town, bearing the gospel and the Holy Grail. In modern times, it is more famous for being the resting place of King Arthur (both metaphorically, as his grave is alleged to be there, and literally, as he is said to be asleep beneath the hill at Cadbury Castle, which itself has been believed to be Camelot itself). It is said that Glastonbury is the Island of Avelon, that the Holy Grail still rests here (perhaps in a well), and that the trees themselves are holy. What is known is that the monks of Glastonbury Abbey claimed to find the grave of Arthur in the Twelfth Century, finding a marker that is obviously a fake. However, attentions fixated on Glastonbury as both a holy place and as a place of deliverance from rebellion (as it was during this time that Prince John made his ill-fated attempt to seize the throne of England from Richard the Lionheart.) This marker was placed by Cai, a Cherub of the Sword who centuries before had the role of Sir Kay, 'foster brother' to King Arthur. Cai erected a False Cross to Arthur following the encroachment of Demonic forces on the area. The place had been a scion of Christian activity and was in danger of becoming a Tether to Laurence (it had been on the cusp of this for centuries). Servitors of Belial burned the "Old Church" (made of wattle and daub by Joseph of Armathea himself, according to legend) to the ground in 1184, and infernal activity threatened to overwhelm the land. Cai, desperate to preserve Arthur's resting place and his Superior's interests, erected the False Cross of Arthur and managed to direct attention to it. To his joy and his enemies' rage, a Tether was produced. However, to his amazement the Teather was not to Laurence but to Blandine, for Camelot and the High King had become legendary dreams for all of England -- the King who would return one day when England needed her most. The "finding" of the Grave during times of turmoil created a groundswell of hope and pilgrimages to the area, and invigorated the dream of the Once and Future King. Blandine was pleased enough with her new Tether, though Corporeal Tethers have never been much of her concern. That it was a Servitor of the Sword who catalyzed its creation -- especially one who had been a Servitor of Purity -- amused her. Laurence, himself well acquainted with Glastonbury, arranged for Cai to be released from his service and entered into hers, and the two Archangels sponsered the Cherub to be Seneschal of Glastonbury Abbey. Cai has been a good protector of the site, managing to weather and adapt to many shifts and changes (the worst being when Henry VIII reduced the Monestaries and delivered Glastonbury Abbey to the nobility. Where other Servitors might have tried to force a showdown, Cai quietly shifted his Role from a religious one to a Secular one, becoming a servant to the Master of the Abbey. He has remained such ever since, culminating in his becoming a Civil Servant for the Abbey as Groundskeeper. He lives on the Abbey grounds and never leaves at this time, quietly promoting the legends that surround the area, and remembering the truths behind them. Today, Glastonbury Abbey is a small but stable Tether of some repute, and thousands of pilgrims (and far more tourists) come to Glastonbury to see the sights and dream of ancient kings. - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | non in-nomine mail to sabre@annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:53:02 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> House Tether: Glastonbury Abbey It might amuse folk to know that Glastonbury is also the site of an event commemorated in nursery rhyme. During the dissolution of the monasteries by Henry VIII, the abbot of Glastonbury, Richard Whiting, sent a gift to Henry, to persuade him not to nationalize Glastonbury. The gift was the deeds to 24 manor houses. They were presented in a pie crust. The messenger, one John Horner, said to be the abbot's master of hounds, filched one of the deeds for himself, one for a place later called the Manor of Mells. Little Jack Horner Sat in the corner Eating his Christmas pie. He stuck in his thumb, Pulled out a plum And said, "What a good boy am I!" Perhaps the pie was sent to Henry as a Christmas gift. The bribe, apparently, didn't work. How do I know this? I went web-surfing while researching for a campaign based on Mother Goose history. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:02:26 -0600 From: Shadowstar Subject: Re: IN> Kyriotates and Multiplicity Quasifluff (Was other stuff) >--Beth, Archangel of Archives >Kyriotates, the angelic equivalent of cell-phones, Trumps, or implant >comms. Hrm, so -that- explains why when they manifest they take on a rainbow sparkle. . . Okay, so some of their common names are Brand, Martin, Caine, Luke and Merlin, right??? >Also gives new meaning to the term, "split the party"... I'll take the one on the right, and myself will take the one on the left. . . Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = shadowstar@centuryinter.net # Technomancer, Six of Nine. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:24:56 -0500 From: Ben Aldred Subject: IN> anyone from chicago I am going to be in Chicago over the summer and am wondering if anyone has any games running in the greater metropolitan area. e-mail me if you do Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 16:08:01 -0600 From: "Conrad R. Harkrader" Subject: IN> Looking for a game in Dallas Hullo, I am looking to join an existing game or start a new one in the Dallas area, preferably North Dallas. I am 25 and have been rping for about 14 years. I have been playing In Nomine for about a year and a half. If you are interested or know someone who might be, please email me or give me a call at 972-985-8239. Thanks. Rich;) ...time turns our lies into truths -Gene Wolfe "The Shadow of the Torturer" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:34:39 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> House Tether: Glastonbury Abbey At 4:53 PM -0500 3/31/99, Earl Wajenberg wrote: > It might amuse folk to know that Glastonbury is also the site of > an event commemorated in nursery rhyme. > > During the dissolution of the monasteries by Henry VIII, the abbot of > Glastonbury, Richard Whiting, sent a gift to Henry, to persuade him > not to nationalize Glastonbury. The gift was the deeds to 24 manor > houses. They were presented in a pie crust. The messenger, one > John Horner, said to be the abbot's master of hounds, filched one of > the deeds for himself, one for a place later called the Manor of > Mells. > > Little Jack Horner > Sat in the corner > Eating his Christmas pie. > He stuck in his thumb, > Pulled out a plum > And said, "What a good boy am I!" > > Perhaps the pie was sent to Henry as a Christmas gift. The bribe, > apparently, didn't work. > > How do I know this? I went web-surfing while researching for > a campaign based on Mother Goose history. > > Earl So... after reducing Glastonbury and making it 'merely' mundane... the event... became the basis of a Nursery Rhyme? Sounds to me like either it managed to stay tied to the realms of Dream, or else Christopher did a good turn for Blandine.... (I *love* Synchronicity in history!) - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | non in-nomine mail to sabre@annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 14:59:24 PST From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> Malakite vessels I don't see any reason why all Malakite vessels would look the same. I can see a particular Malakite having more than one similar vessel, so when he gets killed he can maintain a Role. I can also see certain Superiors, such as Laurence or Dominic, issuing someone (not necessarily a Malakite) a vessel without regard to the angel's individual taste or preference. (I suspect this isn't standard operating procedure even for them, but it's more likely to happen there than anywhere else, and less likely for Novalis or Eli.) Mercurians, in general, would tend to have the most attractive vessels, and Elohim the least interesting (not unattractive, just uninteresting, because Elohim aren't interested in vessels, like some people always wear jeans and sweat shirts because they aren't interested in clothes). A Seraph's ideal vessel should convey some truth, however subtle, about the celestial wearing it. (For example, I have an NPC Seraph who has beautiful blue eyes, because blue is her favorite color and also one of the colors that symbolizes truth.) According to the book, celestials with a lot of corporeal forces and/or great strength often have this fact reflected in large or tall vessels. (Later on, it describes a celestial of 8 strength in a little girl's body, so it's obviously not a hard and fast rule.) Malakim and Cherubim would find this both appropriate and useful. And Ofanim just want something that can move fast -- and I think being an Ofanite *does* show in their eyes (another instance in which I believe the book). Now, would Kyriotates have a preferred type of host? That's one I haven't thought about. Janet Anderson Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 17:06:17 -0600 (CST) From: Elizabeth Bartley Subject: Re: IN> Why on earth can't Malakim fall? On Wed, 31 Mar 1999, Whistling in the Dark wrote: > 1) Malakim can't be reasoned with. They want Demons *dead,* period. > They can be forced into situations where for the short term a greater > evil can be contained by leaving a Demon alive, but that's a good way > to get a Demon Prince mad at said Demon, since it means sacrificing > the big picture for the short term life of the Demon. Most Demons, > if they can blame it on someone else, will happily sacrifice the big > picture for their own comfort of course. And even if you *want* to cause harm to Hell, a demon dealing with a Malakim has to be sure that (1) if alive he'll destroy more evil than killing him would do, and (2) the Makaim knows this. My favorite Renegade character takes a positive *glee* in ruining Fate and the Game's plans. All things being equal, she'd rather see the plans of most other Princes ruined too, but she won't take risks to aid in ruining them unless she's paid. Of course, different Malakim and Superiors may have different takes on the word 'evil.' And that oath doesn't supercede Superior dissonance: a Stone Malakim can't throw the first punch and a Flower Malakim can't engage in 'unnecessary' violence. Elizabeth Bartley e-bartley@pobox.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 18:37:26 -0500 From: John Karakash - Lucent ASCC Subject: Re: IN> Malakite vessels Janet Anderson wrote: > > Now, would Kyriotates have a preferred type of host? That's one I > haven't thought about. Other than expediency, Kyriotates tend to NOT have a preference. e.g. a small vessel is good for spying and doesn't take too many forces, a footloose human is better than one with a lot of family and a high- profile job, etc. If a Kyrio was showing a marked preference for one type of host (or worse, a particular host), this is a possible sign of a fracture in their heavenly multiplicity-viewpoint. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ | John Karakash - Lucent Technologies/Bell Labs | | (919)388-2665(COOL) MIB2300 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 21:19:14 -0500 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Book Breakdowns (Re: CDaU) At 20:14 +0200 3/31/99, Anders Gabrielsson wrote: >True. Still, I think it would be possible to cut at least a page of art >from most of the Superiors. Roughly a 10% reduction; probably doable, and may even be in line with the slightly denser text format of more recent IN books. > And personally I don't find the Sample >Servitors very exciting, and they'll be less interesting after the Liber >Servitorum is out, I think. Servitorum has only something like 2-4 Servitors of each Superior, which doesn't really displace the existing ones. Though I'd probably agree with you that the sample ones with the Superiors aren't always excessively interesting. I'd actually like to have a range of character samples for each Superior; Servitorum doesn't have enough room for as many as I'd like to see, so I'm happy enough seeing a couple in with the Superior. But they should convey the *flavor* of that Superior, which makes them as much examples of interpretations of that Word as useful NPCs. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 04:50:10 -0500 From: EDG Subject: IN> Plot Seed: The Body Box I developed this relic quite some time ago, but I'd nearly forgotten about it until the recent discussion about mass-producing vessels caught my eye... The Body Box Vapula has no use for this device; he can create vessels on his own. However, the demon Hathboor - an Impudite servitor of Technology - was _very_ interested in exactly the method in which a corporeal vessel was created, and so he started a series of experiments based around those demons who came back from Limbo with Primordial Clay (see Liber Reliquarum, p.89) encasing their vessels. These experiments examined every area of the demons in question, from vessel type to number of Forces to the amount of Essence they'd had when they died. He also gained the aid of Asmodeus in this venture, experimenting with Renegades similar to the demons he already had notes on, sending them to Limbo and testing them when they returned, studying even more closely those who created clay-coated vessels. His studies continued for nearly a thousand years, and his final findings were kept top secret. Those rumors which did manage to slip out, however, spoke of a conversion between Essence and Primordial Clay, and a plan for a device that could capture a portion of Limbo. These rumors were sparse, however, and whispered quietly in only the most secretive of circles. For the next two hundred years, Hathboor worked in strict solitude, although Vapula's Dumpster began to fill up with destroyed pine boxes, bits of high-tech devices, pieces of ordinary rock, man-shaped stones, and chunks of mundane clay. Then - in the mid-1990s - Hathboor's doors opened slightly, and rumors began to fly again, this time about a coffin that created bodies, pulling the flesh directly from the Essence of the universe. However, the true details are known only to Hathboor himself, to his innermost circle, and - possibly - to Vapula. The Body Box is roughly the shape of a coffin, unopenable from the outside, on an appropriately-sized wheeled metal cart. Its primary function is to convert Essence to Primordial Clay, using a modified Ethereal Song of Tongues to pull from the user's mind the image of the vessel he wants to create. It requires quite a bit of Essence, though - 30 Essence, per level of the Vessel, per Force the vessel ought to have, or twice the Limbo cost of the vessel! (See Heaven & Hell, p.79, for details on this.) However, this Essence does not need to be invested all at once; the Body Box can store any Essence put into it, although it loses 1 Essence every year, to a minimum of zero Essence. Additionally, Essence invested into the Body Box can _only_ be removed by creating a vessel. The Essence used to fashion a vessel does not all need to be the current user's Essence, either; if the Body Box is stolen, the Essence already in it will be available for its new owner to use toward a new vessel. (The Box does require one point of Essence in addition to the vessel cost when it creates a vessel, however, and this _must_ come from the current user.) The creator of a vessel is the only one who can use it, barring possession. The Body Box does have its drawbacks, however. Although it will appear on the celestial plane, and can be charged there, it must be on the corporeal plane to create the vessel; it may be activated on the celestial plane, however, at which point it shifts to the corporeal plane - causing a 2-point disturbance - and creates the vessel. Creating a vessel also causes a disturbance in the Symphony equal to the level of the vessel PLUS the total Forces of the user! Once the vessel is created, its creator may enter it by simply manifesting on the corporeal plane if he is on the celestial plane. If the creator is on the corporeal plane to begin with, he must first go celestial and then re-manifest; in either case, the celestial automatically manifests in the new vessel, which must then get out of the Body Box. The Body Box does act as a shield to any vessel it creates, though; any creature attempting to possess a vessel that has not yet been removed from the Box is at a -5 to do so. (This includes Kyriotates and Shedim.) After a vessel is created, however, the Box requires a day of recharging before Essence can again be invested into it; and it will not accept Essence if a vessel is still within it. Once the celestial manifests in the body, the hinged roof of the Box opens to let the user out, and then shuts again as soon as the vessel is fully out. The Body Box may also be summoned by the person who last invested Essence in it for the cost of 4 Essence; however, it may not be summoned during its recharging period, or while there is a vessel inside it. - -- It's obvious why any Celestial - or, for that matter, any Ethereal - would want this device; the nearly-unlimited creation of vessels is an extremely powerful tool. And so it's come as no surprise to anyone that Hathboor has vanished utterly, having managed to take his Heart and the Box with him. There are rumors that Hathboor has been seen over by Oblivion's old haunts, that Eli has taken him and given him a Distinction, that Beleth's Apelpismoi*, Demons of Despair, have harbored him in her Tower, even that some demons have glimpsed him performing terrible rituals at the feet of powerful Ethereals. But no one seems to have any _proof_, and any accusations that someone has Hathboor hidden away are strongly denied. This is a humble seed, so it is left up to the GM where exactly the demon Hathboor is and what the circumstances of his disappearance were. In any event he will _probably_ not be happy to find the PCs, if they find him, as he'll assume that they just want the Box like everyone else. Below is a rough outline of Hathboor; the rest is up to you. Hathboor, Impudite of Technology 2 Corporeal Forces: 4 Strength, 4 Agility 6 Ethereal Forces: 12 Intelligence, 12 Precision 4 Celestial Forces: 8 Will, 8 Perception Corporeal Enchantment/5 Ethereal Enchantment/6 Celestial Enchantment/6 Language: Vapulan Jargon/6 Knowledge: The Body Box/6 Area Knowledge: Tartarus/4 Engineering/5 Electronics/5 Chemistry/5 Metaphysics/4 Knowledge: Limbo/5 - -- * I can't find Demons of Despair, counterparts to the Menunim, anywhere, so I made them up.. - -- C&C? - -EDG - -- EDG, Mercurian of Jean, Angel of Information Dissemination anthoch@earlham.edu "Saints have been tempted by the devil." "You're not a saint." "Exactly. That's why I fell." - Milly and Wormold, "Our Man In Havana" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 07:17:09 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Ofanim and the Songs of Motion >>>But with no Ofanim to invent them*, how would they ever exist? Even considering that, what of finding your way through the Symphony swiftly, either locating places or accomplishing tasks faster? * This one is *expressely* stated in the IN book.<<< Ack! Elizabeth, methinks this calls for an errata... - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 09:41:00 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> "Screwtape" excerpts Here are a couple of IN-applicable excerpts from "The Screwtape Letters" by C. S. Lewis, one of the books listed in the bibliography of the main book. The writer, Screwtape, has been described by a list-member as a balseraph of Fate. The receiver of the letters is his nephew Wormwood (a shedite of Fate perhaps?), on Earth-duty, trying to damn his first soul. As the text shows, he fails and suffers the penalty. A description of Essence-tapping -- "If any present self-indulgence on your part leads to the ultimate loss of the prey, you will be left eternally thirsting for that draught of which you are now so much enjoying your first sip. If, on the other hand, by steady and cool-headed application here and now, you can finally secure his soul, he will then be yours forever -- a brim-full living chalice of despair and horror and astonishment which you can raise to your lips as often as you please." A description of Force-stripping -- "How mistakenly, now that all is lost, you come whimpering to ask me whether the terms of affection in which I address you meant nothing from the beginning. Far from it! Rest assured, my love for you and your love for me are as like as two peas. I have always desired you, as you (pitiful fool) desired me. The difference is that I am the stronger. I think they will give you to me now; or a bit of you. Love you? Why yes. As dainty a morsel as ever I grew fat on." Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 09:47:01 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Plot Seed: The Body Box Cute artifact. EDG wrote: > * I can't find Demons of Despair, counterparts to the Menunim, > anywhere, so I made them up.. They're the Pachadim, "the Frighteners," but "Apelpsimoi" could always be the equivalent Greek name. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 11:42:31 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Ofanim and the Songs of Motion At 7:17 AM -0500 4/1/99, David Edelstein wrote: >>>>But with no Ofanim to invent them*, how would they ever exist? Even >considering that, what of finding your way through the Symphony swiftly, >either locating places or accomplishing tasks faster? > >* This one is *expressely* stated in the IN book.<<< > >Ack! Elizabeth, methinks this calls for an errata... Why? Where? (Gimme the private email explanation, possibly. I was figuring that blaming them on Gabriel or Janus, or some other ancient Ofanite, would be perfectly fine.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 16:35:12 EST From: Endlsskid@aol.com Subject: IN> It's been fun! Greetings all. The time has come for the Endlsskid to bid his farewell. I'm moving and the computer's not mine, so there goes my online access. :( Thanks to all for everything...the ideas, the help, the comedy, and the divine inspiration. Michael AKA myky - the Endlsskid ???? of Laughter ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1187 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1999 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.