From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Apr 12 14:11:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA11180 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:11:10 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id OAA18014 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:03:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 14:03:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199904121903.OAA18014@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1198 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, April 12 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1198 In this digest: Re: IN> The Four Types of Role Player and In Nomine (A tad Long) IN> IN Four RPG Archetypes IN> Soul Killing IN> Soul Killing Re: IN> Big Block o' Concrete Angel Re: IN> The Four Types of Role Player and In Nomine (A tad Long) Re: IN> Four Kind of Roleplayers Re: IN> Four kinds of IN players IN> Soul-killing celestials Re: IN> Patron Saints and Lilith IN> Website announcement Re: IN> ShoreCon '99 Re: IN> The Four Types of Role Player and In Nomine (A tad Long) Re: IN> ShoreCon '99 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 14:59:38 -0400 From: Nana Yaw Ofori Subject: Re: IN> The Four Types of Role Player and In Nomine (A tad Long) At 11:02 AM -0500 4/10/99, paranial@creighton.edu wrote: >anyone else want to add to this Remember, this was your idea... Seraphim Real Men play Seraphim of The Sword or War. Real Roleplayers play Seraphim of Creation or Stone. Loonies play Seraphim of Jordi, in campaigns based in Arizona. Munchkins play Michael. Cherubim Real men play Cherubim of Animals. Real Roleplayers play Cherubim of Dreams Loonies play Cherubim of Lightning, and attune themselves to pizza delivery boys. Munchkins play Outcast Cherubim of Judgment, decide everybody is a "Subject of Inquiry" and then get ticked off that "The Inquisition is picking on me!" Ofanim Real men play Ofanim of War or Fire. Real Roleplayers play Ofanim of Trade or Destiny. Loonies play Ofanim of Flowers who pretend not to have a sense of direction. "Sorry I startled you, Ma'am, but you really shouldn't be keeping a pointsettia in a child's bedroom in the first place..." Munchkins play Gabriel. Elohim. Real Men play Elohim of War. (Sensing a pattern here?) Real Roleplayers play Elohim of Flowers. Loonies play Elohim of Wind or Stone. "It will stop raining in exactly six minutes." Munchkins are no longer playing Elohim...But don't tell them that. They're doing such an /excellent/ job of roleplaying... Malakim Real Men play Malakim of...Oh, you already guessed. Damn. Real Roleplayers play Malakim of Purity. Loonies play Malakim of Fate. Munchkins play Uriel. Favorite Combat attunement. Real Men take the Malakite of Fire Attunement and fight with fists aflame. Real Roleplayers take the Malakite of Trade attunenent and fight with blackmail and collector's items.. Loonies take the Malakite of Creation attunement and fight with Chopsticks and silly string. Munchkins take Laurence's Scabbard attunement and M-1 Abrams stuffed up their sleeves. They fight with the GM. Malakite Vows. Real Men take Vows like "Never abandon a friend to the foe" and "Always fight in single combat." Real Roleplayers take vows like "Bring a Demon to Redemption once a year" and "Enjoy a child's laughter once a day." Loonies take Vows like: "Always pay in exact change," and "Shave a cat every Tuesday." Munchkins take vows like "Think about killing once a month" and "Kill once a year." Kyriotates Real Men play Kyriotates of Animals or Stone. Real Roleplayers ply Kyriotates of Destiny. Loonies play Kyriotates of Stone, too. They spend lots of time talking about their "Aunt Petunia", "Yancy Street," and saying "It's Clobberin' time!" Munchkins play Kyriotates of Lightning with the Kyriotate of Animals attunement, and possess hordes of cybernetic weasels. Mercurians Real men play Mercurians of the Sword. Real Roleplayers play Mercurians of Dreams , Fire, or War. Loonies play Mercurians of Novalis and start freaky cults. Munchkins don't play Mercurians. "I wanna beat people up right now!" Roles. Real Men take roles like Cop/3, Navy Seal/4, and Prizefighter/3. Real Roleplayers take roles like Stepmother/5, Therapist/3, and Travel Agent/4. Loonies take roles like Mental Patient/3, Street Prophet/3. Munchkins take roles like President/2 and Demon Princess/1. ===== ><{{"> =================================================== <"}}>< ====== Nana-Yaw "The Fish" Ofori, Freelance Soldier of Heck, presenty serving Johnathan, Habbalite Captain of the Game, The Demon of Jury Selection. | Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~maltesh maltesh@usa.net | In Nomine: http://members.tripod.com/~maltesh/T317 ===== ><{{"> ============ "Life's a Fish, then you Fry." ======= <"}}>< ====== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 16:16:56 -0500 From: Brent Subject: IN> IN Four RPG Archetypes I did an IN List of these a while back, but I have no idea where it's floating around these days. - -Brent ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:12:48 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Soul Killing >>>What about ISTies?<<< Oh God, please don't introduce that as a common acronym in the IN vernacular! >>>In other words, posit a demon of Factions in service to Dark Humor. Would Force-stripping be the power of Malphas, Kobal, or both?<<< Whoever has his Heart... - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:12:12 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Soul Killing >>>But Mira wasn't his Servitor anymore, right? And he didn't create her - Lilith did. Since Redeeming requires something like the disassembly and reassembly of the demon's Forces, she wouldn't necessarily have the same "configuration" afterwards either.<<< True. But the fact it can't be done instantly doesn't mean it can't be done at all. The point is that Superiors can't point at random celestials *in corporeal form* and do celestial damage to them instantly. But there are all kinds of extenuating circumstances that would allow it. If a Prince _really_ wants you dead and can catch you, he can probably tear you apart. In Mira's case, consider the following possibilities: * She was an _ex_ Servitor of his...he still probably has a fair knowledge of her configuration, even changed after Redemption. * He had a Geas on her, which was certainly a link to her celestial nature. * He might have captured her in celestial form (or even in corporeal form....with enough time, he could simply dissolve her vessel and then snatch her fleeing celestial form). * The Prince of Factions probably knows a few special tricks where taking things apart are concerned. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 19:02:27 -0400 From: John Karakash - Lucent ASCC Subject: Re: IN> Big Block o' Concrete Angel Whistling in the Dark wrote: > > > Heh. Soul killing takes a wee bit more effort, yes. ;) > > > >Not to be caning a deceased equine or anything, but this set of answers > >produces yet *another* problem with _Fall of the Malakim_. Therein, Malphas > >very casually force-strips poor Mira Klein (witnessed by Neck). The only > >way I read that set of events is that it *is* very easy for a Superior to > >soul kill a 9-force celestial. > > > >J. Michael Neal > > I think that should be a given, actually. If a Major Demon Prince, > who has been so since the Fall, can't casually tear apart a 9 Force > Celestial... why on Earth, in Heaven or in Hell would a Prince last > five years before Mob Violence tore him to shreds. > > There's a difference between that and a pack of Malakim. Look, everyone's forgetting that a celestial on earth is protected from soul-killing by their vessel. If you were talking about a battle in Hell, for example, yeah DPs can tear dozens or hundreds of lesser demons apart pretty easily. Things are harder, and slower, on earth. That said, most demons are WAY to selfish and interested in self-preservation (i.e. cowardly) to get involved in mobs. They, despite being very human-like, AREN'T human... their passions are of a different type and not driven by hormones and the like. A 1-on-1 situation with a non-combat oriented celestial vs. a powerful demon prince is another matter. For sake of dramatic necessity, the entire process wasn't laid out. But it did say, "stripped of her forces, one by one", indicating it wasn't an automatic process... no mention of speed is given. I imagine he could've done it very, VERY fast if he wanted to, but it was more fun to do it slowly. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ | John Karakash - Lucent Technologies/Bell Labs | | (919)388-2665(COOL) MIB2300 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 00:00:17 -0400 From: Matthew Rice Subject: Re: IN> The Four Types of Role Player and In Nomine (A tad Long) > Mercurians > Real men play Mercurians of the Sword. > Real Roleplayers play Mercurians of Dreams , Fire, or War. > Loonies play Mercurians of Novalis and start freaky cults. > Munchkins don't play Mercurians. "I wanna beat people up right now!" Heh. Boot To The Head. [thwack!] - -- Matthew Rice "The Master said, Just as to sacrifice to ancestors other than one's own is presumption, so to see what is right and not do it is cowardice." - -- Confucius, The Analects, II:24 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 07:44:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Benjamin Acosta Subject: Re: IN> Four Kind of Roleplayers Favorite Human/Human Origin Character Real Men: Soldier of God, Hellsworn Real Roleplayers: Saint, Sorceror, Pagan Soldier, Mummy or Vampire Loonies: Zombie Munchkin: Lilith Ben, Elohite of Eli Angel of Neat Ideas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:22:44 +0100 From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN> Four kinds of IN players On Sat, Apr 10, 1999 at 05:36:56PM -0400, BillionSix@aol.com wrote: > Favorite Attunement (angelic): > Real Man: Smite!!! (or Heavenly Judgment) Malakite of Protection is nice as well. > Munchkin: Seraph of War, Ofanite of War, Proficiency (in all weapons, > including unarmed), Malakite of the Sword, and the Blade Blessing of > Laurence, all at once. > You left out Malakite of Fire, and Song of Claws, for the +10 power combo. Kevin Walsh, Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. - -- "I shall stomp upon all who oppose me. The stomping shall be swift. The stomping shall be painful. And I shall show no mercy In all of my stomping. Amen." - Jeff Tidball philosophises. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:26:10 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Soul-killing celestials At 10:13 PM -0500 4/9/99, Eeyore wrote: >John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: > >> Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> > >> > At 5:04 PM -0400 4/8/99, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: >> > >> > > As to casually wiping out a few Malakim... ANY DP can do >> > >that, though it may cost them a lot of Essence. Some can do it >> > >much more easily (Baal, Saminga and Vapula spring to mind), I'm sure. >> > >> > Though this may be simply vessel-killing them, not soul-killing them. >> >> Heh. Soul killing takes a wee bit more effort, yes. ;) > >Not to be caning a deceased equine or anything, but this set of answers >produces yet *another* problem with _Fall of the Malakim_. #1: it says "this may be simply vessel-kiling them" -- the word "may" implies that sometimes it *could* be soul-killing them. #2: Nothing says that a Superior can't casually muster up the power and time to take a relatively helpless celestial and Force-strip to any state the Superior wishes. (But it is more *effort*.) #3: Indeed, I'd say that if you don't have a friend who can be summoning a friendly Superior, and you're in the absolute power of a hostile Superior, then you're likely to find out all the fun ways they can rip you out of your vessel -- or simply reach in and play Fun With Forces. #4: However, a Superior in a hurry or on an Essence budget (for whatever ineffable reasons) isn't going to expend the effort required to soul- kill the average PC who's standing in his way or shooting popguns at him. Vessel-killing is trivial. #5: And, if the Superior has both you and your Heart in his possession -- you are _his_ (or hers), to do with as he pleases, pretty darn trivially, yes. (No, that's not an FotM case -- but it might be a case for a Renegade who hadn't shattered his Heart, or any Outcast...) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:29:36 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Patron Saints and Lilith At 11:33 PM -0400 4/10/99, David Edelstein wrote: >>>>I don't mean to beat dead horses either, but every time I see that, I >squick. Lilith, in Canon to date, was a human created to be the wife >of Adam, who left and was given a Word. Handwaving and "no one knows >how Lucifer did it" doesn't change that, unless the intention is to >Canonically make her Celestial before she was given the Word.<<< > >Lilith is the Big Exception. Yes, she's a mystery. Yes, she violates the >rules. I don't know if how Lilith got her Word will remain CDaU, or if >there will someday be an explanation. Unless SJ himself decides there should be an explanation, it's CDaU. >I have my own theories, Elizabeth and Walter have their own theories, Heck, I have two or three of them! And that's not even counting the ones that Em and Maya have mentioned to me. (Some of which are akin to, "Pay no attention to that Lilim behind the curtain.") > And somehow, Lilith >violates that rule. If this bothers you, remember that even the real world >isn't always consistent and has mysteries that defy explanation. It's all celestial quantum mechanics, obviously . . . - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:16:33 +0100 (GMT) From: Steve Jessop Subject: IN> Website announcement This announces my In Nomine website, http://users.ox.ac.uk/~linc0471/InNomine/index.html It doesn't have all that much on it right now, but check out my In Nomine Paranoia cross-over at http://users.ox.ac.uk/~linc0471/InNomine/symphony/INP.html and the Demon of BFGs at http://users.ox.ac.uk/~linc0471/InNomine/hell/gorethiel.html (list members with long memories have seen that before, though. He's also in the INC). There's a few more bits, but I won't list them all. I'll do more stuff if anyone emails me saying how great it is already :-) Steve. - ------ Top5's Number 1 Way to Prepare for the Millennium Bug: Send Schwarzenegger back in time to bitch slap those lazy COBOL engineers. - - www.topfive.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:47:22 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> ShoreCon '99 At 12:48 PM -0400 4/10/99, Ben Aldred wrote: >In a related topic are there any plans for LARP rules Someday... >and if there aren't >would it be alright by SJG if I used some homebrewed rules for the system So long as you don't call them official IN rules, or try to sell them as IN rules (both of which would be trademark violations), I doubt that there would be any problem. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 12:47:24 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> The Four Types of Role Player and In Nomine (A tad Long) At 2:59 PM -0400 4/11/99, Nana Yaw Ofori wrote: > Loonies play Seraphim of Jordi, in campaigns based in Arizona. Nana, you're eeeeeeevil. I like you. >Cherubim > Real men play Cherubim of Animals. > Real Roleplayers play Cherubim of Dreams > Loonies play Cherubim of Lightning, and attune themselves to pizza >delivery boys. (But pizza is *VITAL* to human technology and research!!) > Munchkins play Outcast Cherubim of Judgment, decide everybody is a >"Subject of Inquiry" and then get ticked off that "The Inquisition is >picking on me!" Are you sure that Munchkins don't play David, and say, "Well, he *used* to be a Cherub"? O;> > Munchkins take Laurence's Scabbard attunement and M-1 Abrams stuffed up >their sleeves. They fight with the GM. I'd try to come up with some of my own here, but I think that I need to spend some time worshipping the master... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:59:57 -0400 From: Ben Aldred Subject: Re: IN> ShoreCon '99 >So long as you don't call them official IN rules, or try to sell them as >IN rules (both of which would be trademark violations), I doubt that there >would be any problem. > so if I were to run an In Nomine LARP at a convention but not for profit or anything it would be perfectly acceptable by SJG standards. If this is so then I will probably run one at DragonCon '99. Ben Elohite of flowers serving stone soon to be habbalah of factions demon of LARPs ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1198 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1999 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. 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