From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Apr 16 06:23:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA29171 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 06:23:33 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id GAA03715 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 16 Apr 1999 06:20:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 06:20:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199904161120.GAA03715@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1201 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, April 16 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1201 In this digest: Re: IN> Levels and Resources Re: IN> Levels and Resources Re: IN> Levels and Resources Re: IN> Levels and Resources Re: IN> Levels and Resources Re: IN> Levels and Resources Re: IN> Levels and Resources Re: IN> Levels and Resources Re: IN> Levels and Resources Re: IN> Levels and Resources Re: IN> Levels and Resources Re: IN> Levels and Resources Re: IN> Levels and Resources Re: IN> Levels and Resources Re: IN> Levels and Resources Re: IN> Levels and Resources Re: IN> Levels and Resources Re: IN> Levels and Resources Re: IN> Levels and Resources Re: IN> Levels and Resources Re: IN> Levels and Resources ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 03:44:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: > > Oh great. Now I *know* one of my players will list "Titanic" on his > > sheet under possessions, with a level one attunement. Probably one > > of the Kobal Servitors. > > Why not? He'll have a real good chance of knowing where > it is. For all the good that will do him! Now I know John was joking, but this raises an interesting point. Could a player take, say, the Ark of the Covenant as a possession and thereby know where it is,even though it's lost to human eyes? Yes, I know the GM can wield the Stark Fist of Removal and deny such silliness. It's a hypothetical question. - -- Casca, Seraph of Archives (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 04:20:42 -0400 From: "James M. Zoshak" Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources >Now I know John was joking, but this raises an interesting point. Could a >player take, say, the Ark of the Covenant as a possession and thereby know >where it is,even though it's lost to human eyes? I wouldn't think so. First of all, it'd be against the whole Heavenly "knowledge is the antithesis of faith" thing. Second of all, the IN book says you have to spend a lot of time with an item to attune yourself to it. Azrael, Habbalite of Factions. (it is a long story) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:53:27 -0400 (EDT) From: gantr@NKU.EDU Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, James M. Zoshak wrote: > >Now I know John was joking, but this raises an interesting point. Could a > >player take, say, the Ark of the Covenant as a possession and thereby know > >where it is,even though it's lost to human eyes? > > I wouldn't think so. First of all, it'd be against the whole Heavenly > "knowledge is the antithesis of faith" thing. Second of all, the IN book > says you have to spend a lot of time with an item to attune yourself to it. On the other hand, angels don't need faith. If Heaven really had a reason to have an angel attuned to the Ark of the Covenant, I'm sure they could make arrangements. Richard Gant - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit my web page: Richard Gant's Gaming Ghetto Currently dedicated to In Nomine, Planescape, and Waste World - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:39:59 EDT From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources In a message dated 4/15/99 5:55:43 AM, gantr@NKU.EDU writes: > >On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, James M. Zoshak wrote: > >>bertishg@db.erau.edu writes: >> > >> >Now I know John was joking, but this raises an interesting point. Could a >> >player take, say, the Ark of the Covenant as a possession and thereby know >> >where it is, even though it's lost to human eyes? >> >> I wouldn't think so. First of all, it'd be against the whole Heavenly >> "knowledge is the antithesis of faith" thing. Second of all, the IN book >> says you have to spend a lot of time with an item to attune yourself >to it. > >On the other hand, angels don't need faith. If Heaven really had a reason >to have an angel attuned to the Ark of the Covenant, I'm sure they could >make arrangements. > >Richard Gant Not to mention that *at least* two cherubs are (in the record) attuned to it (see Leviticus and Deuteronomy...). Not to mention that there's fairly good evidence that the Ark is in Ethiopia, waiting for the rebuilding of the temple. And in a campaign I was running, *every* seraph and cherub would know where the Ark was, because it's a Tether to the Seraphim Council. (Can you say Trisaggion? I knew you could....) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:56:37 -0400 From: John Karakash - Lucent ASCC Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources Casca wrote: > > On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: > > > > Oh great. Now I *know* one of my players will list "Titanic" on his > > > sheet under possessions, with a level one attunement. Probably one > > > of the Kobal Servitors. > > > > Why not? He'll have a real good chance of knowing where > > it is. For all the good that will do him! > > Now I know John was joking, but this raises an interesting point. Could a > player take, say, the Ark of the Covenant as a possession and thereby know > where it is,even though it's lost to human eyes? Nope, because it's an artifact of power (not a mundane thing) and there is NO way a PC is gonna have enough points for the AotC! Also, to attune yourself to something you have to have it nearby for a certain amount of time. Any GM that lets a PC have the AotC in their backstory, for free, deserves everything they get! - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ | John Karakash - Lucent Technologies/Bell Labs | | (919)388-2665(COOL) MIB2300 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:24:01 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources At 3:44 AM -0400 4/15/99, Casca wrote: >On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: > >> > Oh great. Now I *know* one of my players will list "Titanic" on his >> > sheet under possessions, with a level one attunement. Probably one >> > of the Kobal Servitors. >> >> Why not? He'll have a real good chance of knowing where >> it is. For all the good that will do him! > >Now I know John was joking, but this raises an interesting point. Could a >player take, say, the Ark of the Covenant as a possession and thereby know >where it is,even though it's lost to human eyes? If the GM so rules -- though it should be remembered that the attunement process (laid out in Liber Reliquarum) dictates, IIRC, a week of "bonding" with the item per level of attachment. So you could certainly ask the player, "Ah, _how_ did your character get to spend a week with the Titanic?" With the Ark, it oughta be a relic, so they'd have to pay more, and spend a few years with it. >Yes, I know the GM can wield the Stark Fist of Removal and deny such >silliness. It's a hypothetical question. Does this mean I shouldn't have answered it? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:23:47 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources At 10:56 AM -0400 4/15/99, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: >Casca wrote: > > Nope, because it's an artifact of power (not a mundane thing) >and there is NO way a PC is gonna have enough points for the AotC! >Also, to attune yourself to something you have to have it nearby for >a certain amount of time. Any GM that lets a PC have the AotC in >their backstory, for free, deserves everything they get! I don't know -- just assume they misspelled what it is they want. "All right! I got summonable on it too -- so I summon the Ark and open it before the demons!" "Eight Mother Superiors and Sally Fields step out and start smacking the demons with rulers. The demons eat them and open fire at you." "What?" "Well, you *did* want the Ark of the Convent, didn't you?" - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | non in-nomine mail to sabre@annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:37:03 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources At 11:24 AM -0400 4/15/99, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >At 3:44 AM -0400 4/15/99, Casca wrote: > >On Wed, 14 Apr 1999, John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: > > > >> > Oh great. Now I *know* one of my players will list "Titanic" on his > >> > sheet under possessions, with a level one attunement. Probably one > >> > of the Kobal Servitors. > >> > >> Why not? He'll have a real good chance of knowing where > >> it is. For all the good that will do him! > > > >Now I know John was joking, but this raises an interesting point. Could a > >player take, say, the Ark of the Covenant as a possession and thereby know > >where it is,even though it's lost to human eyes? > >If the GM so rules -- though it should be remembered that the attunement >process (laid out in Liber Reliquarum) dictates, IIRC, a week of "bonding" >with the item per level of attachment. So you could certainly ask the >player, "Ah, _how_ did your character get to spend a week with the Titanic?" This player would respond "vessel/1 -- sea bass." And pay the points for it. >With the Ark, it oughta be a relic, so they'd have to pay more, and spend >a few years with it. If someone's willing to spend a few years touching an old box to get an attunement they never dare use (*think* of the Symphonic disturbance), I say they should even get a Word out of it. Say, the Angel of Pointless Endeavor.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | non in-nomine mail to sabre@annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:56:41 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources At 11:37 AM -0400 4/15/99, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >At 11:24 AM -0400 4/15/99, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: [Bonding with the Ark of the Covanent and Other Strange Things] >>If the GM so rules -- though it should be remembered that the attunement >>process (laid out in Liber Reliquarum) dictates, IIRC, a week of "bonding" >>with the item per level of attachment. So you could certainly ask the >>player, "Ah, _how_ did your character get to spend a week with the Titanic?" > >This player would respond "vessel/1 -- sea bass." And pay the points for it. Don't forget to do a few luck rolls to see if a shark comes along... Or if there are Shark-vessels of Secrets Servitors, or Jordi's lot come along to chase the fellow off... Or if _someone else_ is already bonded to it!!!! >>With the Ark, it oughta be a relic, so they'd have to pay more, and spend >>a few years with it. > >If someone's willing to spend a few years touching an old box to get >an attunement they never dare use (*think* of the Symphonic >disturbance), I say they should even get a Word out of it. Say, the >Angel of Pointless Endeavor.... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:02:34 -0500 From: Mason Kramer Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources At 11:37 AM -0400 4/15/1999, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >At 11:24 AM -0400 4/15/99, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >>If the GM so rules -- though it should be remembered that the attunement >>process (laid out in Liber Reliquarum) dictates, IIRC, a week of "bonding" >>with the item per level of attachment. So you could certainly ask the >>player, "Ah, _how_ did your character get to spend a week with the Titanic?" > >This player would respond "vessel/1 -- sea bass." And pay the points for it. > I most certainly would not. Shark. I mean, really. Sea bass? Get real. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:35:23 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources At 12:02 PM -0500 4/15/99, Mason Kramer wrote: >At 11:37 AM -0400 4/15/1999, Whistling in the Dark wrote: > >At 11:24 AM -0400 4/15/99, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > >>If the GM so rules -- though it should be remembered that the attunement > >>process (laid out in Liber Reliquarum) dictates, IIRC, a week of "bonding" > >>with the item per level of attachment. So you could certainly ask the > >>player, "Ah, _how_ did your character get to spend a week with >the Titanic?" > > > >This player would respond "vessel/1 -- sea bass." And pay the >points for it. > > >I most certainly would not. > >Shark. > >I mean, really. Sea bass? Get real. ;) Mason. Mason Mason Mason Mason Mason. Mason. This is In Nomine. A vessel of a sea bass and a vessel of a shark are essentially identical but for the size. Add some numinous corpus for big sea bass Fangs and you're all set. Besides, how do you *know* I meant you? I could have meant Trudy. - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | non in-nomine mail to sabre@annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:53:11 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources Whistling in the Dark wrote: > Add some numinous corpus Shows what context will do. On first sight, I read that as "numinous octopus." Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:12:56 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources At 1:53 PM -0500 4/15/99, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >Whistling in the Dark wrote: > > > Add some numinous corpus > >Shows what context will do. On first sight, I read that >as "numinous octopus." Numinous Octopus: This rare song allows the singer to transform his hands into oversized squidlike creatures, with lots of long tentacles with suckers all along them. Popular among Servitors of Kobal and Servitors of Lust with Asian vessels and roles. - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | non in-nomine mail to sabre@annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:19:15 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources To me, "numinous octopus" suggests the celestial form of one of the funkier cherubim. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:45:54 -0400 From: Matthew Rice Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources > > Mason. > > Mason Mason Mason Mason Mason. > > Mason. > > This is In Nomine. A vessel of a sea bass and a vessel of a shark > are essentially identical but for the size. Add some numinous corpus > for big sea bass Fangs and you're all set. > > Besides, how do you *know* I meant you? I could have meant Trudy. > > -- > Eric Alfred Burns | > | > non in-nomine mail to sabre@annotations.com Fangs, eh? Would that be a sea bass with a nasty disposition? Just imagine an aquatic servitor of Jordi with the Celestial Song of Light...a shark with laser-beams coming out of its eyes. "Throw me a fricking bone here, people." - -- Matthew Rice "The Master said, Just as to sacrifice to ancestors other than one's own is presumption, so to see what is right and not do it is cowardice." - -- Confucius, The Analects, II:24 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 23:12:01 -0400 From: "James M. Zoshak" Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources >> This is In Nomine. A vessel of a sea bass and a vessel of a shark >> are essentially identical but for the size. Add some numinous corpus >> for big sea bass Fangs and you're all set. Or, if you're a servitor of Vapula, you could irradiate yourself and get some lasers to attach to your head.... Azrael, Habbalite of Factions. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 01:22:40 -0400 (EDT) From: gantr@NKU.EDU Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, Matthew Rice wrote: > Fangs, eh? Would that be a sea bass with a nasty disposition? Just > imagine an aquatic servitor of Jordi with the Celestial Song of > Light...a shark with laser-beams coming out of its eyes. Everybody now! "I'm so curious! "I'm so curious! "I'm so curious! "And I've got laser eyes! HEY!" (Sorry about that. It's late, and I just got reminded of a Sifl & Olly song here.) Richard Gant - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit my web page: Richard Gant's Gaming Ghetto Currently dedicated to In Nomine, Planescape, and Waste World - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 01:26:59 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources In a message dated 4/15/99 11:03:23 PM Central Daylight Time, gantr@NKU.EDU writes: << Everybody now! "I'm so curious! "I'm so curious! "I'm so curious! "And I've got laser eyes! HEY!" (Sorry about that. It's late, and I just got reminded of a Sifl & Olly song here.) >> ::baffled and confused look:: "......wh..wh....What???" Brian A Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 01:44:20 -0400 From: "James M. Zoshak" Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources >(Sorry about that. It's late, and I just got reminded of a Sifl & Olly >song here.) You're so crescent fresh. :) Azrael, Habbalite of Factions. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 08:40:02 +0300 From: "Tick Tock" Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources - -----Original Message----- From: Whistling in the Dark >I don't know -- just assume they misspelled what it is they want. > >"All right! I got summonable on it too -- so I summon the Ark and >open it before the demons!" > >"Eight Mother Superiors and Sally Fields step out and start smacking >the demons with rulers. The demons eat them and open fire at you." > >"What?" > >"Well, you *did* want the Ark of the Convent, didn't you?" Kobalites. Tick Tock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:21:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > If the GM so rules -- though it should be remembered that the attunement > process (laid out in Liber Reliquarum) dictates, IIRC, a week of "bonding" > with the item per level of attachment. So you could certainly ask the > player, "Ah, _how_ did your character get to spend a week with the Titanic?" Ah, okay. This is what I was looking for: an in-game reason for why it couldn't work without having to resort to GM fiat. > >Yes, I know the GM can wield the Stark Fist of Removal and deny such > >silliness. It's a hypothetical question. > > Does this mean I shouldn't have answered it? No, it means I'm glad you answered the general tone of the question, rather than zeroing in on why specifically the Ark itself wouldn't work. - -- Casca, Seraph of Archives (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1201 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1999 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.