From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat Apr 17 11:30:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA07093 for ; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 11:30:50 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id LAA14015 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 17 Apr 1999 11:24:49 -0500 Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 11:24:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199904171624.LAA14015@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1202 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, April 17 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1202 In this digest: Re: IN> Levels and Resources IN> wine and beer .... IN> Forces and Superiors IN> Forces and Superiors Re: IN> wine, beer and spam... Re: IN> Forces and Superiors Re: IN> Forces and Superiors Re: IN> Forces and Superiors IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #1201 Re: IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #1201 Re: IN> Forces and Superiors IN> Sea Bass! IN> Aztecs Re: IN> wine, beer and spam... Re: IN> Levels and Resources Re: IN> Levels and Resources Re: IN> Levels and Resources Re: IN> Sea Bass! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 09:00:30 -0400 (EDT) From: gantr@NKU.EDU Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources On Fri, 16 Apr 1999 BillionSix@aol.com wrote: > << Everybody now! > > "I'm so curious! > "I'm so curious! > "I'm so curious! > "And I've got laser eyes! HEY!" > > (Sorry about that. It's late, and I just got reminded of a Sifl & Olly > song here.) > >> > > ::baffled and confused look:: > "......wh..wh....What???" Sifl & Olly is a puppet show on MTV at 7:30 PM, EST. When it isn't being preempted by something stupid, that is. It's *really* hard to describe. Watch it. Richard Gant - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit my web page: Richard Gant's Gaming Ghetto Currently dedicated to In Nomine, Planescape, and Waste World - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:44:37 +0200 (MET DST) From: pula69@esotronic.de (wnefexe1) Subject: IN> wine and beer .... TO REMOVE, OR TO SEND MASS EMAIL TO 1 MILLION, SEE END OF MESSAGE. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - wine & beer is a blessing in moderation. John & Phyllis Rice, Ministers 1268 Cherrybark Rd., Apopka, (Orlando suburb) FL 32703 To talk to John Email: johnmrice@johnmrice.com Phone/Fax (407) 886-7063 To talk to Phyllis Email: praisesing@earthlink.net Phone (407) 886-1419 Web Page: http://www.johnmrice.com For prayer/fellowship/counselling or comments/questions/encouragement in the spirit of Holy Ghost, please reach us at one of the addresses or phone. When calling on phone, leave your phone number & an e-mail/mail address. All requests that want a return phone call will be returned within the U.S., outside U.S. corresspondance will be by e-mail. God has put a tremendous desire for us to minister to you by the anointing of the Holy Ghost, so I truely count it an honor for you to send your needs to us. And we look forward to being a blessing!!! We have a special desire for those who desire biblical counseling so please feel free to share & we shall give you wisdom from God's word with the help of Holy Ghost. We believe wine (or beer) is a blessing in moderation, w/o excess. (Many scriptures which confirm this fact.) (Gen. 14:18),Heb.7:3,6;Micah5:2;Luke22:14-30;Psalm110, Heb5:10,6:20, 7:3,17,21,23-28;Heb.7:4-8,John8:55-59;Heb.7:2,1Cor.1:30,Heb1:8, (Gen 27:28): (John 2:1-11) Many more scriptures on wine which refer it as a blessing. (Beer is a weaker alcoholic substance than wine & made of rice & wheat which are also found in the Bible.) Those who don't know God, but are seeking we believe it is OK for them to have some wine/beer in moderation while Studying The New Testament. 1st, before trying to read God's word in the Old Testament. The OT is for mature believers. Cannot be understood (mystery) until living the New Testament/Covenant born-again experience. (Look up mystery Mark 4:11 & others). 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Attend a local synagogue. Join a Jewish community center. Seek their friendship & then be a genuine friend. Baruch HaShem Adoinai Yeshua HaMashiach/Blessed is the name of our Lord Jesus the Messiah, John & Phyllis Rice - -------------------------------------------------------------------- TO REMOVE: call 1(800) 242-0363 # 2155, or fax (310) 495-0232. TO HAVE YOUR EXCLUSIVE OR CO-OP MSG SENT TO 1 MILLION PEOPLE, CALL USA (561) 732-9490 OR FAX (310) 495-0232 LEAVE NAME, PHONE,FAX #s. I'LL FAX YOU DETAILS AND RATES. ============================================================ d415d65h - -=========== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:53:53 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: IN> Forces and Superiors So, I was thinking... [SPOILERS FOR "FALL OF THE MALAKIM," "THE FINAL TRUMPET," and "CONAN: THE BARBARIAN" FOLLOW.] [long, isn't it?] Right. That should do. As if the next person on the list won't snip this entire section. Well, with luck they'll also snip the spoiler. There is a character in FotM who is forcably, horribly force stripped until she's essentially a single Force. (An Ethereal, IIRC). This was bound into a Cat. Later, if the PCs play their cards right, they can rescue the Cat and that Force, which then gets remade with various Superiors' help into that person again -- radically different, but with the idea that somehow there's commonality, and even the chance to get her memories back. So, here's the thing. A Demon Prince in our game has taken a Word-Bound Malakite and torn her into itty bitty shreds. (Celestial Combat was the only option for this character, sadly.) One Ethereal Force remained at the end, still 'officially' hers, and the DP retained it. If that Force has a Corporeal force added to it, is she a Remnant of her former self, still? If a Celestial force is added to it, would she be a Malakite? If the DP built a demon and incorporated that specific Force into said demon, would it be subsumed? Would there be something of it? Would it redeem spontaneously? This is assuming said Ethereal Force isn't 'scrubbed' or the like.... If the Force were made into a Calabite, and redeemed into an Ofanite, would there be any trace of the Word the character once held still in it? Inquiring minds want to know. (On a similar track... if a celestial were stripped down to a single Corporeal Force, Ethereal Force and Celestial Force, and then those three Forces were pulled apart, held seperately, transported, and then fused into a three Force being who then had at least four Forces added to it... could that being be 'remade' into the Celestial they were before, at least in part?) - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | non in-nomine mail to sabre@annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 12:53:53 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: IN> Forces and Superiors So, I was thinking... [SPOILERS FOR "FALL OF THE MALAKIM," "THE FINAL TRUMPET," and "CONAN: THE BARBARIAN" FOLLOW.] [long, isn't it?] Right. That should do. As if the next person on the list won't snip this entire section. Well, with luck they'll also snip the spoiler. There is a character in FotM who is forcably, horribly force stripped until she's essentially a single Force. (An Ethereal, IIRC). This was bound into a Cat. Later, if the PCs play their cards right, they can rescue the Cat and that Force, which then gets remade with various Superiors' help into that person again -- radically different, but with the idea that somehow there's commonality, and even the chance to get her memories back. So, here's the thing. A Demon Prince in our game has taken a Word-Bound Malakite and torn her into itty bitty shreds. (Celestial Combat was the only option for this character, sadly.) One Ethereal Force remained at the end, still 'officially' hers, and the DP retained it. If that Force has a Corporeal force added to it, is she a Remnant of her former self, still? If a Celestial force is added to it, would she be a Malakite? If the DP built a demon and incorporated that specific Force into said demon, would it be subsumed? Would there be something of it? Would it redeem spontaneously? This is assuming said Ethereal Force isn't 'scrubbed' or the like.... If the Force were made into a Calabite, and redeemed into an Ofanite, would there be any trace of the Word the character once held still in it? Inquiring minds want to know. (On a similar track... if a celestial were stripped down to a single Corporeal Force, Ethereal Force and Celestial Force, and then those three Forces were pulled apart, held seperately, transported, and then fused into a three Force being who then had at least four Forces added to it... could that being be 'remade' into the Celestial they were before, at least in part?) - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | non in-nomine mail to sabre@annotations.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 13:27:25 -0500 From: "James Bearse" Subject: Re: IN> wine, beer and spam... You know, all we need is the Angel of Wine and Beer (servitor of Eli?) and this could actually be an on-topic post... SavageWombat - ----- Original Message ----- From: wnefexe1 To: Sent: Friday, April 16, 1999 8:44 AM Subject: IN> wine and beer .... > > TO REMOVE, OR TO SEND MASS EMAIL TO 1 MILLION, SEE END OF MESSAGE. > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > wine & beer is a blessing in moderation. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:51:55 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Forces and Superiors At 12:53 PM -0400 4/16/99, Whistling in the Dark wrote: [...] [Concept that Ethereal Forces bear memories, to some degree, and that use of them can confer said memories/instincts onto a new being.] >So, here's the thing. A Demon Prince in our game has taken a >Word-Bound Malakite and torn her into itty bitty shreds. (Celestial >Combat was the only option for this character, sadly.) One Ethereal >Force remained at the end, still 'officially' hers, and the DP >retained it. Cute. I'd suggest that he'd want to use it fast, or it would start becomming warped by proximity to his own Force-cache... >If that Force has a Corporeal force added to it, is she a Remnant of >her former self, still? I'd rule: "Sorta-kinda." She's been pretty well killed. She'd probably be even more amnesiac than most Remnants -- if the GM even allows this to work! After all, a Remnant is by definition "soul-less." It's possible that the Prince in question would have to bind the Force to an existing soul -- human or animal... See the CPG about binding Forces to humans... Unlike normal Remnants, I certainly wouldn't allow any attunements to be retained -- or her Word. (I mean, unless the GM wants to for the sake of the plot.) >If a Celestial force is added to it, would she be a Malakite? I'd say that unless the GM wants to make this sort of thing the focus of a campaign in some way, no Prince should be allowed to create _any_ kind of angel, much less a Malakite, even from scrap parts. (Though, amusingly enough, I just thought of a vicious little world-view where every demon (save Lilim) is created an angel, and forced to Fall immediately upon creation...) That said, I'd be inclined to think that any Celestial Force a Prince got -- unless freshly harvested from an angel! -- would automatically be warped demonically, so you'd get a 2-Force demonling. (1 Ethereal, 1 Celestial.) Said demonling might have a penchant for behaving in an honorable way, or at least following the optional two oaths, and perhaps some of the Word-nature. >If the DP built a demon and incorporated that >specific Force into said demon, would it be subsumed? Absorbed in, dominiated by the demonic Forces? Yes. >Would there be something of it? There might be... flashes of instinct. Maybe a vision here and there. Some attitudes. >Would it redeem spontaneously? No, not unless the GM wants to make that Special Happening a part of the campaign universe. (I.e., sure, break the rules -- but each rule you break means the next Special Thing will be that much less special.) >This is assuming >said Ethereal Force isn't 'scrubbed' or the like.... If the Force >were made into a Calabite, and redeemed into an Ofanite, would there >be any trace of the Word the character once held still in it? Probably, very deep down. I'd play it as having a mannerism pop up now and then, more a spooky, ghostly echo than anything really "the same." Creepy, and a bit sad, not continuity of character. >Inquiring minds want to know. > >(On a similar track... if a celestial were stripped down to a single >Corporeal Force, Ethereal Force and Celestial Force, and then those >three Forces were pulled apart, held seperately, transported, and >then fused into a three Force being who then had at least four Forces >added to it... could that being be 'remade' into the Celestial they >were before, at least in part?) I'd say only as much as any other Remnant would be the "same" if it had a Celestial Force added. There would be certain memories, but they would be fuzzy and "other." All of this is "quasi-canon" -- things in canon will probably work this way if they're touched on, but I don't plan to touch on them much (more) if at all. And, of course, the GM gets to do as the GM wishes... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 15:54:17 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Forces and Superiors Okay, suppose we re-run this reconstruction idea with the last remaining force being a celestial one. Then the creature is, just barely, not soul-killed. How much identity can it hang onto if it is then reconstructed? How about Word or attunements? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:17:20 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Forces and Superiors At 3:54 PM -0500 4/16/99, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >Okay, suppose we re-run this reconstruction idea with the >last remaining force being a celestial one. Then the >creature is, just barely, not soul-killed. How much identity >can it hang onto if it is then reconstructed? How about >Word or attunements? I think it would depend on if the Force were ripped away, or if it were the _last one left_. If it were the last one left, then I'd figure you could preserve the fragile life as a 1-Force "mini-angel." (Or a 1-Force reliever guarenteed to fledge into the old Choir.) I think that Birdy, in the INC rogue's gallery, is actually akin to this, though I may have left him more than 1 Celestial Force. Anyway, if you've got your 1-Force angel, then they keep everything, including some vague memories which may well regenerate when they get an Ethereal Force again. Sort of like a stroke victim, perhaps, who has retrained the brain to access information. If that Force were ripped away, and the angel were _dead_, then I'd figure that you'd keep less memory than with an Ethereal Force, but perhaps more _mannerisms_. So you'd have someone who was closer to the old angel, but with less memory of _being_ that angel. (Akin to, say, GURPS brainwipe -- which one of my PCs got hit with once. Heh.) Or so I'd run it. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 17:03:19 -0400 From: Adam Canning Subject: IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #1201 > Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 07:21:31 -0400 (EDT) > From: Casca > Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources > > On Thu, 15 Apr 1999, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > > If the GM so rules -- though it should be remembered that > the attunement > > process (laid out in Liber Reliquarum) dictates, IIRC, a > week of "bonding" > > with the item per level of attachment. So you could > certainly ask the > > player, "Ah, _how_ did your character get to spend a week > with the Titanic?" > > Ah, okay. This is what I was looking for: an in-game reason for why it > couldn't work without having to resort to GM fiat. Make it a Tether. To one of Technology, Greed, Factions, Stupid Vehicle Accidents, Ice, Music. Just so long as it' is a tehter to the other side. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 16:24:40 -0400 From: Ben Aldred Subject: Re: IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #1201 A >Make it a Tether. To one of Technology, Greed, Factions, Stupid Vehicle >Accidents, Ice, Music. > >Just so long as it' is a tehter to the other side. > you sre forgetting media. it is without a doubt a tether to media Ben,elohite of flowers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 20:35:42 -0400 From: Frank Lazar Subject: Re: IN> Forces and Superiors At 3:54 PM -0500 4/16/99, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >Okay, suppose we re-run this reconstruction idea with the >last remaining force being a celestial one. Then the >creature is, just barely, not soul-killed. How much identity >can it hang onto if it is then reconstructed? How about >Word or attunements? > With only a celestial Force remaining, there is only a shred of will and/or perception remaining. I'd say that there really isn't enough to hang any functinal attumenments but its Word tie just might give it some bare level of instinct. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ | | We are dreamers, shapers, singers and makers. /_\ | | We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, // \\ | | Crystal and scanner, holographic demons, \\ //___\\ | | And invocations of equations. \\ // \\ | | \\__// \\ | | These are the tools we employ. And we know... many things. \\ | | \\ | | | Frank Lazar http://www.concentric.net/~fmlazar | \\ | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:16:18 PDT From: "Hydrax 59" Subject: IN> Sea Bass! >This is In Nomine. A vessel of a sea bass and a vessel of a shark >are essentially identical but for the size. Add some numinous corpus >for big sea bass Fangs and you're all set. YEah, but a shark is so much cooler! and it also lends itself to so many more practical jokes. Just find an angel with a pool (preferably a jordi guy) and then... Soldier: "umm, boss, I don't know how to tell you this, but..." Jordite (I know, I couldn't think of anything appropriate): "Well, what is it." Soldier: "well you know the pool out the back..." Jordite: "yesss" Soldier: "well, there's a great white shark in it." Jordite: "A shark." Soldier: "umm, yeah." Jordite: "you do know lying is bad." Soldier: "I'm not lying!" Anyway, after the Jordite finally gets around to looking, he will probably decide that it's a test from his boss, and work to put it back into it's natural environment. Then, after they put you back, change to your normal shape, and moon them. Seriously, I can think of a couple of DP's who would quite happily give their servants shark bodys such as Saminga (Can anyone else just see a horde of Zombi sharks going out and wreaking havoc upon the unsuspecting humans? And then the Humans capturing one and finding that it's actually been dead for a couple of weeks. OR if you just attach a little black box, with a government logo, Malphas would be so happy) Nah, sea bass suck unless they're hideously mutated seabass... "Was the ham silent? Ham can be very silent unless it’s falling down stairs in whichcase it makes a sort of thump, thump, thump noise. Celary is comparitively louder, apples more so, except apple sauce which goes quite well with ham." Doctor Animal Cannibal Pizza, Silence of The Hams ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1999 18:37:37 PDT From: "Hydrax 59" Subject: IN> Aztecs Just a quick note to everyone, the section on the Aztecs I promised a while ago is now up at: www.angelfire.com/az/Calabim/aztec.html Just be warned, some of it is truly sick. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 03:51:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Pee Kitty Subject: Re: IN> wine, beer and spam... On Fri, 16 Apr 1999, James Bearse wrote: > You know, all we need is the Angel of Wine and Beer (servitor of Eli?) and > this could actually be an on-topic post... Eli and Drugs? No, doesn't fit his word... I see Novalis, if anyone. Grapes, hops, barley...all plants; her word seems to also cover medications (and other drugs) better than any other. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian Meow! ::: Thinking about a Tampa Bay Devival in the future - email me! ::: Or go to http://www.cris.com/~pkitty (hell, go there anyways!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:34:33 -0800 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources Matthew Rice wrote: > Fangs, eh? Would that be a sea bass with a nasty disposition? Just > imagine an aquatic servitor of Jordi with the Celestial Song of > Light...a shark with laser-beams coming out of its eyes. Just to put this in perspective: Giant squid Vessel/6 with Song of Light = Kraken with laser cannons! Some secrets the sea should keep hidden, methinks. But the Titanic thing begs the question of whether Valefor or Janus's Shedite/Kyriotate attunement works underwater? - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:38:30 -0800 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources gantr@NKU.EDU wrote: > Sifl & Olly is a puppet show on MTV at 7:30 PM, EST. When it isn't being > preempted by something stupid, that is. It's *really* hard to describe. > Watch it. I say one thing on this, then I get off the subject. Sock puppets. MTV is paying someone to do a show that stars two badly-made sock puppets. Nybbas really -is- running the media, it seems. - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 08:59:42 -0400 (EDT) From: gantr@NKU.EDU Subject: Re: IN> Levels and Resources On Thu, 18 Nov 1999, Steel Angel wrote: > > Sifl & Olly is a puppet show on MTV at 7:30 PM, EST. When it isn't being > > preempted by something stupid, that is. It's *really* hard to describe. > > Watch it. > > I say one thing on this, then I get off the subject. > Sock puppets. MTV is paying someone to do a show that stars two > badly-made sock puppets. Nybbas really -is- running the media, it seems. Kobal, in this case. He's cooperating with Nybbas, however. Richard Gant - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit my web page: Richard Gant's Gaming Ghetto Currently dedicated to In Nomine, Planescape, and Waste World - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 12:24:13 -0400 From: Matthew Rice Subject: Re: IN> Sea Bass! Hydrax 59 wrote: > > Seriously, I can think of a couple of DP's who would quite happily > give their servants shark bodys such as Saminga (Can anyone else just > see a horde of Zombi sharks going out and wreaking havoc upon the > unsuspecting humans? And then the Humans capturing one and finding > that it's actually been dead for a couple of weeks. OR if you just > attach a little black box, with a government logo, Malphas would be > so happy) > > Nah, sea bass suck unless they're hideously mutated seabass... Lessee...Saminga would love it ("Fear hideous death by shark attack!"); servitors of Kobal would get a big kick out of it too, ("You think that thing is real?") and probably walk around humming the theme to "Jaws." Swimming around with fake fins on their backs, and then making fun of people as they panic would be good for Essence... - -- Matthew Rice "The Master said, Just as to sacrifice to ancestors other than one's own is presumption, so to see what is right and not do it is cowardice." - -- Confucius, The Analects, II:24 ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1202 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1999 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.