From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon May 10 19:42:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA10538 for ; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:42:44 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id TAA16689 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 10 May 1999 19:41:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:41:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199905110041.TAA16689@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1219 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, May 10 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1219 In this digest: IN> Ordained by money( Was: A Demon We All Know) Re: IN> Christopher's angels (was "A Demon We All Know") Re: IN> Ordained by money( Was: A Demon We All Know) Re: IN> Interesting spam? Nah... Re: IN> Interesting spam? Nah... IN> Kyriotates and Shedim: Remnant Question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 13:43:13 -0400 From: "Kelly W. West" Subject: IN> Ordained by money( Was: A Demon We All Know) >Yours, Reverend Brian A. Rogers >P.S. I really am a Reverend now. There's a church in Sacramento that'll >ordain anyone for $20. Isn't that cool? I'm trying to figure out whether this 'church' is run by Malphas or Kronos. It cheapens the act of dedicating yourself to god and helps to validate 'cult of personality' splinter sects. Kelly W. West "And this opinion comes from a confirmed agnostic." Kelly W. West Shoot Straight, watch your back, conserve ammo and never cut a deal with a Dragon. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 13:47:32 -0400 From: "Kelly W. West" Subject: Re: IN> Christopher's angels (was "A Demon We All Know") Written by Earl >(I am thinking, actually, of Hobbes, from "Calvin and Hobbes." >Ever notice how the imaginary member of that team seemed to have >more common sense and decency than the corporeal member?) > A PC I designed for conventions is based on C&H. He's an Ofanim of Janus with both a child vessel (Carrying a stuffed tiger) and a tiger vessel. He has a hobby of stalking child molesters. "Don't hurt me mister or my tiger will get you." Kelly W. West "Who was a little bored when he thought that one up." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 13:51:15 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Ordained by money( Was: A Demon We All Know) At 1:43 PM -0400 5/9/99, Kelly W. West wrote: > >Yours, Reverend Brian A. Rogers > >P.S. I really am a Reverend now. There's a church in Sacramento that'll > >ordain anyone for $20. Isn't that cool? > >I'm trying to figure out whether this 'church' is run by Malphas or Kronos. >It cheapens the act of dedicating yourself to god and helps to validate >'cult of personality' splinter sects. > > Kelly W. West "And this opinion comes from a confirmed agnostic." Actually, you can do that for free with the Universal Life Church. My friend the Rabbi of Thor has performed three legal marriages on it. I've got a Reverendship myself. Does it cheapen it? Perhaps. But some people (not all, for sure) do establish actual churches with services et al under those provisios. And others use it as a statement of personal belief (including alternate beliefs). For other's it's a joke. And for other's, its a scam that lets them park in Reverend's parking places. And for still others, it's a way to reorganize their household expenses into something Tax Exempt with varying means of success. It is, in the end, a tool. One that can be good or evil. Perhaps started by Malphas to segment or Nybbas to cheapen the priesthood of any stripe. Perhaps started by Eli to spread the Priesthood among all people. YMMV. - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 14:59:21 -0400 From: "CHRIS V" Subject: Re: IN> Interesting spam? Nah... I asked one of my friends, who is a chosen one, and he guestematied that "noahchide" might be a name of a tribe of Isreal. whatever... Chris V. - ----- Original Message ----- From: The Alien To: Sent: Sunday, May 09, 1999 0:11 Subject: IN> Interesting spam? Nah... > ...or maybe it is. I got a rather lengthy bit of spam courtesy of the > cypherpunks list. It was apparently all about why the New Testament was > rejected by practitioners of Judaism and it gives various citations in an > attempt to show that. > > The people involved use the word 'noahchide' which I have no past > experience with. It appears to be the best we poor folks not descended > from the Chosen People can aspire to. > > I can forward this document, which doesn't seem to sell anything physical, > to anyone who wants it. I would kind of like an expert opinion on > this...and I know there are a number of much heavier-hitting theological > scholars here than I. > > Their web site is noachidetorah.mainpage.net...I have not had the chance > to look there yet. But how does it all tie into IN in a greater sense? > Simple! This is the first religious spam I've ever gotten that attempted > to make a lengthy arguement! As such it's got to be reflected as a plot > in an IN game, perhaps at this upcoming con! > > Sean > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 19:05:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Bartley Subject: Re: IN> Interesting spam? Nah... On Sun, 9 May 1999, CHRIS V wrote: > I asked one of my friends, who is a chosen one, and he guestematied that > "noahchide" might be a name of a tribe of Isreal. I believe it's the Jewish laws that the gentiles are expected to abide by. There are seven of them. The ones I can remember: Do not murder. Do not steal. Do not eat a limb torn off a living animal. Do not commit sexual offenses. (I'm not sure exactly what this includes, but I think it's pretty broad.) Do not commit idolatry. (Worship of something other that the Lord.) Do not commit blasphemy. (Misuse of God's name.) Create law courts to enforce the first six regulations. I've also seen prohibitions against eating blood and eating meat from a strangled animal included. The name is also that of an odd sect, born gentile, have decided they believe in Judaism, and do not convert. Please note that the Jews believe Christianity is an idolatrous religion, since it considers a human (that is, Jesus) to be God. - Elizabeth Bartley e-bartley@pobox.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:40:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Benjamin Acosta Subject: IN> Kyriotates and Shedim: Remnant Question In the rules the bodies of those possessed are considered vessels and gain all the benefits of Celestial vessels. What I'm wondering is do such bodies count as "vessels" in the event of celestial death? If a kyriotate's three celestial forces are destroyed in a fight while the rest of him is in Joe Mortal or a shedite spending essence makes its ressonance roll (through luck and use of essence) to slip into a body just as it's last Celestial Force is destroyed then do the remaining forces in the body dissapate into the Symphony or do they remain entwined within the force pattern of the possessed human? And if so, do they just lie there dormant, or are the songs, attunements, skills, and memories locked within them accessible by the host, free to use as he wishes since no will is left to oppose him? Does the host become some sort of half-celestial hybrid or will the forces locked within him separate upon his death? Would the result be different depending on whether it was a mundane or soldier host? Could absorbing a kyriotate/shedite jump a mundane to soldier status with the infusion of forces and knowledge? Would a soldier who had this happen to him have access to ethereal songs due to the late celestials connection? If any of the above is possible I see some neat possibilites for neutral or wild card soldiers created by such a process, as well as a super-soldier to throw at pc celestials who keep on underestimating humans. So, is there a cannon answer to this, or is it still an open area yet to be decided? Or will it become a RACDAU? Ben, Elohite of Eli Angel of Neat Ideas ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1219 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1999 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.