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in_nomine-digest        Monday, June 21 1999        Volume 01 : Number 1262



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   IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1261
   Re: IN> God's Fate/Destiny

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Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 06:12:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Wade Trupke <trupke@rocketmail.com>
Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1261

Just some thoughts on the "And the Band Played
On: Who Would Stay?" topic:

Don't forget, some of the Archangels probably
didn't survive the War, although they lost less
than the Demon Princes. (Probably.) I think
having had a few key Archangels killed, maybe
early during the war, and the effect on the
world is worse than if they just left, might be
interesting. Take Novalis for example: If she
leaves, then maybe the flowers don't bloom so
bright or smell so sweet; if she's killed in the
first exchange, you've got crops that refuse to
grow, and a really miserable world. 


<<Bladine:  One of the iffier ones.  I had her
leave because the War's over,
all the dreamers that need protecting are going
to the Upper Heavens, and
the Ethereals can take care of the ones who don't
deserve Beleth's
attentions.  Incidently, when I write up what the
remaining angels are up
to I'm thinking of having Bladine's tower the
place they bounce to when
they try to ascend to their Hearts.>>

For some reason, I was of the impression that
Bladine and Beleth had killed each other during
the war, and that was why the Marches were now
totally clear. I don't know, sounds kind of
poetic and proper to me, somehow.

<<Gabriel:  Could really go either way.  If she
survied she would probably
wants another shot at Belial, who's still around.
 On the other hand, she
is directly plugged into God's Mind through her
Word, so if it is his will
that the War ends this way she'd probably accept
it.  >>

I can't see the war ending without Gabriel and
Belial finally having it out. Even if they did,
I can't see Belial turning off the flamethrower
long enough for anyone to tell him that they had
lost. He'd just keep going until either all the
angels were dead, or he was. And since Heaven
won, there's not much reason for Gabriel to stay.

<<Janus: Too much is unclear of the Janus/Valefor
connection for me to make
a guess.  I have Valefor missing, presumed dead
just to preserve the
ambiguity, and am toying with the possibility of
turning them both into
the Elvis of the "And the Bands Played On", with
Janus and Valefor
sightings being reported among some of the
angels, ethereals, and demons.  >>

You know, I just had a weird image of Janus
acting as guide to those souls who want to reach
Heaven. Maybe he just guides them down the
Volcano for the last leg of the journey. Maybe
he pops up several times along the journey. I
don't know why, but this works for me. *shrug*
Just a thought.

<<Jordi:  A strong case can be made for him
staying.  Even though the souls
of animals all go to Heaven, Jordi might want to
stick around to look
after their welfare on Earth.  On the other hand,
he might acknowledge the
law of the jungle and let the animals fend for
themselves, knowing they
all go where they need to in the end.  If he
stayed, he would definitely
want to deal with Vapula trying to "improve" the
environment.>>

Hmmm... If Heaven is sealed off, how do animal
souls get there? Has anyone tried to follow them?

<<Novalis: A strong contender for staying.  She is
very compassionate and
might stay so that those who remained would
recieve some relief.  Then
again, the world that remains would be a very
violent place, especially
when compared with the peace of the Upper
Heavens.  It might be better for
her to go and leave the war and killing behind.>>

Hmmm... Novalis on Earth, operating from a
hidden, peaceful grove, a new Garden of Eden.
(Or the original Garden of Eden?) Only the pure
of heart can find it - or rather, be led to it
by Novalis's remaining servitors. This has some
possibilities.

<<Christopher:  The innocent children are Heaven
now.  His job is done.>>

Not if children are still being born. I can very
easily see him staying. Assuming he survived,
which I would have some doubts about.

Like I said, just some thoughts. Ignore them at
your leisure.

Wade (brain-drizzle)
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:16:06 -0400
From: Elizabeth McCoy <emccoy@nh.ultranet.com>
Subject: Re: IN> God's Fate/Destiny

At 11:34 PM -0400 6/18/99, SdshowTim@aol.com wrote:
>If God has a Destiny (being Yves, who cares about everyone) and a Fate (being 
>Kronos, who cares about no one but serves Lucifer) then the War is not 
>exactly over humanity but over God.  

<not-necessarily-canon>

Actually, I heard Maya and Em (and Jo?) had talked about this at one
point, and they (for some value of they) came up with the explanation that
Yves and Kronos were personifications of the "end notes of the Symphony"
or some such. (If I'm getting this totally wrong out of my head, you lot,
tell me.)

So they're aspects of God/avatars of the Symphony who represent end-points.
If one or the other triumphs, it will be as if the other never existed. Pfft.

Humanity has the free will to choose between them, and thus direct which
aspect of the Symphony is going to _be_ the end-notes. Will humanity move
to destiny, letting Yves the the True Aspect of God, or will they move to
fate, causing Kronos to be the True (Fallen) Aspect?

I haven't had breakfast yet, so I'm rambling, but that's one way to 
think of the pair.


>This would imply that if there is a 
>victory by swaying humanity then God is also affected, profoundly.  

<grin>

</not-necessarily-canon>


- --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com  In Nomine Line Editor
GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ 

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