From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Jun 22 10:50:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA16892 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:50:03 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id KAA28627 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:47:13 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:47:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199906221547.KAA28627@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1263 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, June 22 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1263 In this digest: IN> open PBEM slots?? Re: IN> Fighting IN Nomine IN> Yves, Kronos, and God's Inner Dialog IN> Quick Questions (again) IN> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:38:48 -0400 IN> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:38:48 -0400 IN> And The Bands Played On: Why Superiors might stay on. IN> Re: And the Bands Played on: Who Would Stay? Re: IN> Re: And the Bands Played on: Who Would Stay? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:25:27 -0500 (EST) From: Douglas Mcclintock Subject: IN> open PBEM slots?? is anyone on this list starting up a PBeM or currently looking for players in a PBeM?? i'm interested...and a PBeM vet... please let me know via private mail to dwmcclin@indiana.edu bom shankar! - --doug - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- doug mcclintock aka varsha Psychedlic Trance Liberation Front dwmcclin@indiana.edu boo@tritium.ucs.indiana.edu ICQ #29038461 - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:42:23 -0400 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Fighting IN Nomine Alex van Niel wrote: > > Hi ... I have a question, just recently one of my players just had to kick > some human's ass for doing some dishonorable ... However, he threw a 1 on > his check digit and well, since his Power for Kicking is -3 he hit a -2 ... > so no damage... That is weird, or did we read the rules wrong??? Can anyone > help? Actually, in that situation the target would _gain_ 2 hits... ;) p. 66, IN Core Rules, following a discussion of how damage is calculated: "If the result is zero or less, no damage is inflicted." As a general rule, I think, if the CD is reduced below 0, treat it as a 0 result. Target numbers, OTOH, should be kept track of - because they can be increased by Essence expenditures. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:01:21 -0400 From: David Wood Subject: IN> Yves, Kronos, and God's Inner Dialog Here's another possible way of looking at it. Certainly not canon, but it's what I'm using to a certain extent in my campaign (which is on the move again, GOTTA update that website!) First there were the angels, and there was Yves, who had the most direct line to God. As God was the totality of all things, Yves could be considered a sort of inner voice, the closest thing to a truly conscious voice. All the other archangels and angels could be considered small, independent thoughts within the Mind of God (as it were). Then something happened. In the perfect and harmonious Mind of God, there was a dissent. A small inspiration changed the direction of one thought, and made a certain sense to other thoughts. In psychoanalytical terms, He stumbled on a conflict, paradox, or something that would force him to decide on one thing or another. In terms we all know better, Lucifer and his forces Fell, and the War began. The conflicting idea in God's mind grew in time until he could no longer consciously ignore it, and his consciousness became split. And that's where Kronos came from. Couched in mental terms again, something occurred to God that his original plan did not account for. Now he's got to choose, mostly likely between some form of selflessness and some form of self-interest, and his conscious mind is thinking equally hard about supporting both points, as each has merits that the other doesn't. Couched in normal terms again, there's this freaking WAR going on, and Yves and Kronos are the two beings most strongly connected with the Symphony. Once in a very great while, they get together and very peacefully (almost sedentarily) talk things out, usually to no avail. Each is too convinced that his way is right. Meanwhile, when they're separate, they urge their respective forces to ultimate victory, because this is all part of the thought process. The interesting thing is, they are probably the only two beings in Creation that have this particular perspective. If their respective servitors were to see the two of them together casually talking to each other about things that only one of them really should know about, it might get both sides wondering. And then we know what would happen, right? Both sides would get new ideas, new memes might spring up, and a *third* party might spring up in the War. Pleasant dreams, kiddies... - --David http://home.bluecrab.org/~dwood "This job is a learning experience. These days, I'm learning not to speak my mind, answer the phone, or answer to my own name." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:36:41 -0400 From: "Yves Dorval" Subject: IN> Quick Questions (again) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BEBC1D.63068E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone, I am currently in the process of written a List of Tethers for the city = of Montreal (yes, I will share it when it is done). We have on Mont = Royal, a cathedral called l'Oratoire St-Joseph. Since it is quite = famous (at least in Canada), I place it as a Tether. Mont Royal is an = ex-volcano, dormant for nearly 3,000 years (and no signs of activity). = Would you place this as a Tether of Gabriel or David? The Botanical Garden of Montreal would be definatly a Tether of Novalis = (she actually has the biggest single Tether in Montreal). If anyone is in the Montreal area, or who has good knowledge of montreal = and who is willing to work on this with me can email me at = bancroft@supernet.ca Also, can the Malakim of Fire attumenent do celestial damage? Jason would be angel of cookies - ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BEBC1D.63068E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello everyone,
 
 
I am currently in the process of written a List of = Tethers for=20 the city of Montreal (yes, I will share it when it is done).  We = have on=20 Mont Royal, a cathedral called l'Oratoire St-Joseph.   Since = it is=20 quite famous (at least in Canada), I place it as a Tether.   = Mont=20 Royal is an ex-volcano, dormant for nearly 3,000 years (and no signs of=20 activity).  Would you place this as a Tether of Gabriel or=20 David?
 
The Botanical Garden of Montreal = would be=20 definatly a Tether of Novalis (she actually has the biggest single = Tether in=20 Montreal).
 
If anyone is in the Montreal area, or who has good = knowledge=20 of montreal and who is willing to work on this with me can email me at = bancroft@supernet.ca
 
 
Also, can the Malakim of Fire attumenent do = celestial=20 damage?
 
 
Jason
would be angel of cookies
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BEBC1D.63068E00-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:36:06 -0500 From: "Jason Terlecki" Subject: IN> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:38:48 -0400 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BEBC1D.AED942A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone, =20 =20 I am currently in the process of written a List of Tethers for the city = of Montreal (yes, I will share it when it is done). We have on Mont = Royal, a cathedral called l'Oratoire St-Joseph. Since it is quite = famous (at least in Canada), I place it as a Tether. Mont Royal is an = ex-volcano, dormant for nearly 3,000 years (and no signs of activity). = Would you place this as a Tether of Gabriel or David? =20 The Botanical Garden of Montreal would be definatly a Tether of Novalis = (she actually has the biggest single Tether in Montreal). =20 If anyone is in the Montreal area, or who has good knowledge of montreal = and who is willing to work on this with me can email me at = bancroft@supernet.ca =20 Also, can the Malakim of Fire attumenent do celestial damage? =20 =20 Jason would be angel of cookies - ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BEBC1D.AED942A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello everyone,
 
 
I am currently in the process of written a List of = Tethers for=20 the city of Montreal (yes, I will share it when it is done).  We = have on=20 Mont Royal, a cathedral called l'Oratoire St-Joseph.   Since = it is=20 quite famous (at least in Canada), I place it as a Tether.   = Mont=20 Royal is an ex-volcano, dormant for nearly 3,000 years (and no signs of=20 activity).  Would you place this as a Tether of Gabriel or=20 David?
 
The Botanical Garden of Montreal = would be=20 definatly a Tether of Novalis (she actually has the biggest single = Tether in=20 Montreal).
 
If anyone is in the Montreal area, or who has good = knowledge=20 of montreal and who is willing to work on this with me can email me at = bancroft@supernet.ca
 
 
Also, can the Malakim of Fire attumenent do = celestial=20 damage?
 
 
Jason
would be angel of = cookies
- ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BEBC1D.AED942A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 22:44:49 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: IN> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:38:48 -0400 > Mont Royal is an ex-volcano, dormant for >nearly 3,000 years (and no signs of activity). Would you place this as a >Tether of Gabriel or David? Dormant that long, I'd say it's much more likely to be a Stone Tether than Fire, these days. >If anyone is in the Montreal area, or who has good knowledge of montreal and >who is willing to work on this with me can email me at >bancroft@supernet.ca Does Montreal still have all those street artists on the sidewalks downtown? (Been a few years since I was there last....) If so, the area where they congregate might be a Creation Tether. >Also, can the Malakim of Fire attumenent do celestial damage? According to the Line Editor, yes, if you're in celestial form and the target is also. (I.e., it's similar to a Numinous Corpus.) - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 02:21:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Ratoslov Lenev Subject: IN> And The Bands Played On: Why Superiors might stay on. Blandine: The reports of her death are greatly exaggerated. During the fray, she and Beleth decided to sneak off to a nice little place in the Marches. Yes, I'm sappy. I like a happy ending. Michael, David, Dominic, Laurence: Not gonna stay. Our God, Right or Wrong. Eli: Even the Damned create things. Besides, I love those bastards, even if they hate themselves. Janus: Stay up in heaven, when things are changing so much down here? Jordi: Someone's got to watch over the animals. I'm it. Novalis: Duh. Yves: 1. Yves stayed behind because even the Damned can still meet their Destiny. After all, Kronos hasn't disappeared, and he's the incarnation of Fate. 2. Yves dissapeared, because the Symphony's Fate is for Heaven to win. 3. Kronos DID dissapear, and Yves is pretending to be him in order to direct the Symphony to a more Perfect Destiny. It's too late, so I forget the rest. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:08:15 -0500 From: "Acosta, Ben" Subject: IN> Re: And the Bands Played on: Who Would Stay? My personal internet account has become outcast so I'm going to have use my work email for a while. Which means for this reply I can't quote the original message, just give a synopisis of it. On Archangels dying: Yes, some Archangels definitely died during Armageddon. I hadn't firmly decided which ones did so I wrote the stay/go reasons as if they all lived. I'm not sure how much a Superior dying would effect the status of there Word. Raphael died and Knowledge didn't seem to suffer. The Superior might be more dependent on the Word than the Word is on the Superior. On Bladine and Beleth: I believe I had Beleth survive Armageddon only to be killed by the combined forces of the Ethereal and the Damned. A sort of the terrorized finally rising up against their terrorizer riff. I was considering Bladine being one of the slain Archangels, and am a sucker for the poetic and proper. How about this: Beleth slays Bladine after an epic battle between their forces in the Marches. As Beleth strikes the killing blow Bladine utters her last words, "I've never stopped loving you." After this a greatly weakened and emotionally shattered Beleth withdrawls her forces back to her tower. When the Ethereals and Faust's forces (Yes, I've changed who the Human Superior is, for reasons that'll be in his write up) attack Beleth's realm they encounter a poorly organized defense. Storming her Tower they find Beleth at her balcony, just staring across the Marches towards Bladine's Tower. She offers no resistance, does not even acknowledge the intruders. She just sits and weeps, until the end finally comes for her." On Gabriel and Belial: Belial and Garbiel have their big fight. Hideous damage is meted out by both sides. Gabriel is slain by Belial, but the circumstances of her death are such that it rattles Belial. This will definitely be elaborated in a vigenette when I get a chance to write up Belial. On Janus and Valefor: I originally had them go missing because their status hasn't been established. Another possible way to play this if Janus stays is for Valefor to pull an Eli and wander the Earth, dropping by servitors occaisionally to give them instructions. Maybe even instructions to work with Janus's people. Servitor: Pardon me sir, forgive me for asking but why do you want to help Janus help get souls to Heaven? Valefor: Well, Lucifer now runs the Symphony. Which means he owns everything but Heaven. Every angel, demon, god, or human left in the World is playing by his rules. Which, in a way, means he owns them. He owns everyone in the Universe." Servitor: "So that means..." Valefor: "Every soul saved, every demon redeemed, is taking something away from Lucifer. It's the ultimate Theft, man. Servitor nods in understanding as Valefor turns and leaves, not realizing he no longer is wearing any clothes. Animal Souls: Well, Heaven isn't sealed, it's just a lot harder to get into by those who have Free Will. There's still the Volcano route, after all. Animals aren't burdened by the ability to make such choices, and they aren't linked to the Symphony the same way humans and celestials are. So the clash of Symponies which make things hard to go to Heaven might have no effect on them. As for trying to follow an animal soul to Heaven, I'd assume they just die on Earth and appear in Heaven, the way human souls appear at the Pearly Gates after dying in normal continuity. There doesn't seem to be any transport involved, or a human celstial form that ascends from the body. They just die and *bamf* they're they are at the Gates. On Novalis: I like that Garden of Eden idea. Maybe with a corresponding realm hidden in the Far Marches. If Novalis stayed it would be the center of her operations to promote her Word and maybe coordinate aid to those she thinks needs it. With both her servitors and orphans in service to her. On Christopher: Well, childeren are still being born, but no new souls are being created. Souls are being recycled from the non-damned who stayed and Lucifer's 10% cut of all the Damned he had been collecting since the Fall. I'm not sure whether he would view them the way he views ordinary children, especially the Damned ones. But this is probably moot, since I was strongly considering killing him anyway. Ben, Elohite of Eli Angel of Neat Ideas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:37:54 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: And the Bands Played on: Who Would Stay? At 10:08 AM -0500 6/22/99, Acosta, Ben wrote: >Yes, some Archangels definitely died during Armageddon. I hadn't firmly >decided which ones did so I wrote the stay/go reasons as if they all lived. >I'm not sure how much a Superior dying would effect the status of >there Word. Raphael died and Knowledge didn't seem to suffer. The Superior >might be more dependent on the Word than the Word is on the Superior. (Bingo -- the Word lives on, though the Superior may die. Of course, without a Superior to promote it, the Word may eventually lose power to a greater or lesser extent. (What would Raphael think _today_...) ) >On Gabriel and Belial: Belial and Garbiel have their big fight. Hideous >damage is meted out by both sides. Gabriel is slain by Belial, but the >circumstances of her death are such that it rattles Belial. This will >definitely be elaborated in a vigenette when I get a chance to write up >Belial. (Why can I see Gabriel doing something utterly sadistic? Like somehow attaching the Divine Fire to Belial's own Word. "There must be a prophet. I'm dying. Tag, you're it.") >Valefor: "Every soul saved, every demon redeemed, is taking something away >from Lucifer. It's the ultimate Theft, man. > But this is probably moot, since I was strongly considering killing him >anyway. Kill the difficult ones. It makes things easier. };> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1263 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1999 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.