From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Jun 27 12:32:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA07212 for ; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:32:34 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id MAA27076 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:32:44 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:32:44 -0500 Message-Id: <199906271732.MAA27076@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1267 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, June 27 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1267 In this digest: Re: IN> Targetted Angels of Vengance Re: IN> Making Brights (was: Do relievers have to fledge?) Re: IN> Making Brights (was: Do relievers have to fledge?) Re: IN> Targetted Angels of Vengance Re: IN> Re: Fighting in Inomine Re: IN> Targetted Angels of Vengance IN> Re: Do relievers have to fledge? Re: IN> Re: Do relievers have to fledge? IN> Choir Attunements IN> Internet.Global .Exposure - Reaching.your.market Re: IN> IN: New GM questions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 12:56:22 -0700 (PDT) From: -=|horsefly|=- Subject: Re: IN> Targetted Angels of Vengance On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, Earl Wajenberg wrote: > People often complain that Malakim are too violent for many plots. > While there are many and interesting ways to solve that, I came up > with an alternate way of handling "avenging angels." It could be > used as the basis for a minor choir -- say, a specialty of Gabriel's > -- or regarded as a specialized Malakite, or a Mercurian with an > exception, or a sort of anti-Cherub. [snip] i like the idea, especially their being under Gabriel's province (similar to how Blandine and Beleth create their own sub-choir/bands). it almost seems like her Servitors are like this already, but creating a Malakite-Cherub hybrid has possibilities, and i love how they don't make noise for hurting/killing/destroying their attuned. in a way, it reminds me of "The Prophecy," where Thomas was talking about "...how, whenever God needed a killing...He always sent an angel." -=|horsefly|=- "Ambush yourselves some Girl Scouts." --Fenris Lorsrai ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:24:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Elizabeth Bartley Subject: Re: IN> Making Brights (was: Do relievers have to fledge?) On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Whistling in the Dark wrote: > I personally would Rule that the Superior who has to assist in such > parenting would either have to be Lilith or would fail at the > process. Said Superior wouldn't "get" how to make a Lilim, and > therefore couldn't help the prospective parents combine and give new > life. I'd rule that either Lilith or a Lilim or Bright Lilim Superior could be "midwife" to a Lilim/Bright Lilim baby. However, there aren't any Lilim (Bright or otherwise) Superiors in canon. Elizabeth Bartley e-bartley@pobox.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:06:46 GMT+10 From: "Leath Sheales" Subject: Re: IN> Making Brights (was: Do relievers have to fledge?) Elizabeth Bartley wrote: > I'd rule that either Lilith or a Lilim or Bright Lilim Superior could be > "midwife" to a Lilim/Bright Lilim baby. However, there aren't any Lilim > (Bright or otherwise) Superiors in canon. It almost seems that Lilith works hard to keep it this way. The Demon Princes are in a difficult situation: most would love to get a Lilim to Prince status, just to see if it could make more Lilim, but they all know that if they did that, Lilith would deny them any new Lilim, and they don't know if the gamble would work. IMC, I have a (bright) Lilim superior, who keeps a *very* low profile. He is close to cracking the secret of making new Lilim, and when he does it's going to be a major shake up for both Heaven and Hell. If the campaign warrants it, I may even start seeing Free Brights wandering around. Note that the Lilim superior has been able to make any angelic Choir, he's just having trouble getting the secret right for Lilim. Leath. We apologise for this break in sanity. We now return you to your regularly scheduled reality. Leath. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:07:12 GMT+10 From: "Leath Sheales" Subject: Re: IN> Targetted Angels of Vengance Earl wrote: > The Avenging Angel can tell that the target is destroyed because the > atunement ends, and they can feel that. They can carry multiple > atunements. And they DON'T create Disturbance when they beat on their > targets. Not a bad idea, but I'd limit them to one attunement at a time. Their target may be, as you said, "All the demons in this city", but when they arrive, Perception check and they are attuned to the closest demon to them (they know nothing of its power or abilities). Then using their resonance liek a Cherub's, they can unerringly track the target, confront it, (hopefully) kill it. Then the next Perception check and they have attuned to the next target. This would make them very single minded avengers (which befits a minor Choir used by Gabriel), but limit their power. Allowing them multiple attunements would make them overly pwerful, especially if their target is "all the demons in this city". One comes to town and knows where every demon is hiding. If this were the case, all of Heaven would be making these critters, and no demon would leave Hell (where at least they would have the home-court advantage). Also to limit the abuses of power with this Choir, you could have their Attunement degrade over time. Each day after the first that they are attuned to the target, all their Perception rolls to track it are at -1 (cumulative). So 1st day, easy. 2nd day -1. 3rd day, - -2 etc. This reminds them that time is of the essence, and may even make them behave recklessly to achieve their goals before their time runs out (which also befits Gabriel's special Choir). If they get to - -6, they are going to have a difficult time tracking their target, but if it goes beyond this (ie, it takes mroe than a week to get their target), they suffer Dissonance, and the Perception penalty is gone (celestial scarring for another chance). The cycle then starts again. Anyway, those are my thoughts (and I'm thinking of introducing them now). Leath. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:10:42 GMT+10 From: "Leath Sheales" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Fighting in Inomine Alex wrote: Or is there ANYONE who has a > sane sollution for me? Please? :) The way I solve it is simply to make the minimum damage inflicted 1. So even if the -2 or so brings it to zero, if the target hasn't attempted to Dodge, they take 1 point. The other option is to get rid of the negative modifier (therefore making punches inflict Check Digit damage), and raise all other damage levels by the same amount (which makes weapons deadlier). Both of these are easy fixes, and don't seem to unbalance things too much. Leath. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 17:06:13 -0700 From: Edward Tyndall Subject: Re: IN> Targetted Angels of Vengance Earl Wajenberg wrote: > > Cherubim suffer if their attuned is harmed. These Avenging Angels > suffer if they harm anything BUT their attuned. That is, they are > sent after something in particular, and are not supposed to hurt > anything else. > > The attuned can be a particular individual ("the Impudite Mr. Leech," > "the person who murdered this guy"), or a defined class ("demons," or > "all the demons in this city"), or even an inanimate object ("this > infernal device of Vapula's"). This exists already. The Cherubim of Judgement may harm a being they are attuned to if they are part of a Triad on an investigation. - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 21:50:48 -0500 From: aborden@soltec.net (Amy Borden) Subject: IN> Re: Do relievers have to fledge? >Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:12:16 -0400 >From: Elizabeth McCoy >Subject: Re: IN> Do relievers have to fledge? > >At 12:29 PM -0500 6/23/99, Acosta, Ben wrote: >> Could a >>reliever who was pretty much undecided stay a reliever at nine forces? > >No. > >>If not, what happens? Does it just fledge into a random choir? Or does the >>force just not manifest until the choice is made? > >GM decision -- I'd generally play it that as the reliever grows, it begins >to naturally identify with one Choir or another. (Indeed, in my personal >games and fiction, relievers start to manifest elements of their chosen >Choir, so you can get mini-Seraphim, or cub-Cherub-relievers, or little >swarmlet Kyrios, or a large reliever with black butterfly wings and a >sword -- but if you look at one, it's patently a _reliever_.) >>Just what do indecisive relievers do when they hit the big Nine? > >Well, I suggested that if a little Judgment-reliever (who's on the INC) >didn't make up its mind, it'd fledge Kyriotate... O:> > >Also, I have a snake-Cherub (not on the net anywhere) who's a boa >constrictor form -- and claims (truthfully) that it was due to >indecisiveness when fledging. Hmmm.... Which makes for an interesting point, about how relievers appear prefledging. Given that paradigm, if a Reliever early on decides it wants to be a particular Choir and then later on, due to circumstances/fnord/ whatever changes intent in what Choir it wants to be, does that change get reflected in appearance? I've got a Cherub character who as a reliever was *just* this side at 7 or 8 Forces of fledging Mercurian and due to Circumstances Beyond Her Control (i.e. that whole nasty little bit with Lucifer and all those angels and Michael toeing butt out the Pearly Gates), decided that given the situation Heaven needed Guardians more than Intercessors, and fledged thusly. So I'm curious as to what'd happen in a case like that, for backstory if nothing else. :) (FWIW she fledged as a very large lynx-Cherub but still has a tendency to iconify herself in the Marches as vesselized human with wings and cute widdle lynx ears. Go figure. (Then again she's a Creationer so she's a bit bats to begin with. (Hi Mason and Eric!))) - --Amy, The Overly Parenthetical ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 23:19:48 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: Do relievers have to fledge? At 9:50 PM -0500 6/25/99, Amy Borden wrote: >>From: Elizabeth McCoy >>Also, I have a snake-Cherub (not on the net anywhere) who's a boa >>constrictor form -- and claims (truthfully) that it was due to >>indecisiveness when fledging. > >Hmmm.... > >Which makes for an interesting point, about how relievers appear >prefledging. Given that paradigm, if a Reliever early on decides it wants >to be a particular Choir and then later on, due to circumstances/fnord/ >whatever changes intent in what Choir it wants to be, does that change get >reflected in appearance? If you're using the notion that relievers start turning into mini-versions of the Choir they're intending to fledge as, then I'd assume they'd start to shift over -- which might result in a fledged form that has some aspects of the other Choir, in subtle ways. The Cherub-snake was one option (if I had to justify it, I'd probably decide that the reliever figured out that it liked the grace of Seraphim more than the truthfulness, and the protective aspects of Cherubim were more suited to its personality), while an Elohite- Mercurian who swung for Mercurian might be androgynous for a human, and/or balding ( O;> ), or a Seraph-Cherub who went for Seraph might have more terrestial snake-patterning, and/or be somewhat "thick-boned" for a Cherub. An Elohite-Mercurian who swung Elohite might have laugh-lines. O:> A Malakite-Merucurian (we've got an NPC Mercurian of Creation kicking around who's a demon-hunter, with a Malakite as a Force-doner "parent") might tend to be dark of hair. This is way too entertaining for me to dwell upon it at this time of night. And it's all dancing cheerfully outside of canon. (Just to make sure that no one starts quoting me...) It's liable to stay that way, too, unless there's a sudden change of heart in people and some future survey shows that "In Nomine Little Guys" _would_ be well-received. (Instead of being shot down in flames as the previous survey did. You people are so mean to the little'uns!) On a further note, I believe I had the idea that relievers who were basically sworn into some Archangel's service might reflect that as well -- such as little Junior Jeanites having lightning-bolt patterns on their wings, or a Junior Judgmenter having sombre colors and orderly patterns. >I've got a Cherub character who as a reliever was >*just* this side at 7 or 8 Forces of fledging Mercurian and due to >Circumstances Beyond Her Control (i.e. that whole nasty little bit with >Lucifer and all those angels and Michael toeing butt out the Pearly Gates), >decided that given the situation Heaven needed Guardians more than >Intercessors, and fledged thusly. So I'm curious as to what'd happen in a >case like that, for backstory if nothing else. :) Myself, I probably would have had her fledge as some sort of monkey or ape. (Look! Hands!) Another option for the furry crowd would be to have Cherubim who anthropomorphize... (Attractively, of course, unlike Djinn who anthropomorphize from time to time in icky ways.) >(FWIW she fledged as a very large lynx-Cherub but still has a tendency to >iconify herself in the Marches as vesselized human with wings and cute >widdle lynx ears. Go figure. (Then again she's a Creationer so she's a bit >bats to begin with. (Hi Mason and Eric!))) *laugh* Go Creationers! - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 02:43:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Eslin Subject: IN> Choir Attunements On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, David Edelstein wrote: > (I also say that when angels acquire the > Choir Attunements of other Choirs, it tends to give them a little more of > that Choir's perspective and attitude....so a Seraph with a Malakite Choir > Attunement tends to be more militant and honor-bound, a Malakite with the > Seraph Choir Attunement tends to be more honest and more concerned with the > truth, etc.) I have to note that this is a *lot* of fun to play - especially when you pick them up IC. Watching the results on a slow-but-steady, focused Cherub of Destiny when she acquires the Ofanite of Destiny choir attunement has been.... well. Tiring, but fun. :) (Now if I can only get the Master-level Distinction and the Kyriotate attunement, I can break the *rest* of my head wide open!) - Eslin ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:28:21 -0500 From: guacuila42@correionet.com.br (imepers) Subject: IN> Internet.Global .Exposure - Reaching.your.market There are over 60 million Internet users and thousands are joining the internet each day. Have you reached them? IS YOUR MARKET BEING REACHED OR LIMITED BY: * Geographic boundaries or location * lack of NEW leads * lack of NEW exposure DO YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE A VIABLE PRODUCT OR SERVICE ? Did you know that there is a method of marketing that costs pennies but have the same effect as direct postal mail? This can be made possible through recent Internet technology breakthroughs. 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