From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Aug 3 19:09:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA21337 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:09:25 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id TAA00943 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:05:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:05:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199908040005.TAA00943@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1298 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, August 3 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1298 In this digest: IN> God as an Ethereal spirit Re: IN> I.N. Questions Re: IN> I.N. Questions Re: IN> I.N. Questions IN> Two bizarre questions IN> Dream Vacation Getaway ! WIN Florida/Cruise Sweepstakes! Re: IN> Two bizarre questions Re: IN> Two bizarre questions Re: IN> Ethereals Re: IN> Two bizarre questions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:35:21 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> God as an Ethereal spirit >>>Guru Granth Sahib? Or in English is Sikhism another and later one of Yves's attempts at a product improved religion.<<< A lot of people commented on Sikhism in the playtest. It may be elaborated on someday. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:03:18 +1000 (EST) From: Michael Moore Subject: Re: IN> I.N. Questions Hi all, I'm only new to this game and this list, and I don't have _all_ the books... So this may or may not be a stupid question, but it kinda follows from the recent Vessels question... I've always been kinda hazy on the whole multiple Vessels thing. I know that it's possible for a Celestial to have more than one Vessel, and that by spending Essence (Only 1 I think...) you're Vessel will appear to morph into the shape of another Vessel. I've also read that the "unused" Vessels are not in the Coporeal Realm while not in use. However, my questions are: 1) After you "morph" to another Vessel I assume this means you are now using the _new_ vessels hits? e.g. A Malakite has had some bad luck and his Vessel is wearing out in battle so he expends some Essence and his body seems to melt and repair itself - when in actuality he had just owned two identical Vessels and shift into the second undamaged one. 2) If you have two Vessels and the one you are in is "killed", I assume you can't transfer into another Vessel and avoid being pulled back to your Heart? 3) What's with Body Bags? (the Artifact) I understand the paragraph in the book, however, if you change Vessels by expending the Essence (rather than being "killed"), do you find yourself in the Body Bag? If so, what happens to the Vessel you used to be in? Sorry to bother everone with such trivial questions, Michael, Angel of trying not to be confused with that other, more powerful Michael. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:32:30 -0500 From: "Amo Nympham" Subject: Re: IN> I.N. Questions - - Dennis H. Groome V "Amo Nympham" nallix@bellsouth.net ICQ: 11430261 "I think I woke up screaming 'cause I had a dream that you still loved me" -"ACF", Stabbing Westward - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Moore To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Monday, August 02, 1999 7:08 PM Subject: Re: IN> I.N. Questions >Hi all, > > >1) After you "morph" to another Vessel I assume this means you are now >using the _new_ vessels hits? actually, the character goes "micro-celestial" as one vessel falls away and the other forms around him > >e.g. A Malakite has had some bad luck and his Vessel is wearing out in >battle so he expends some Essence and his body seems to melt and repair >itself - when in actuality he had just owned two identical Vessels and >shift into the second undamaged one. you'd get disturbance for changing vessels, and if they were identical, it would seem something like the above. but remember, the damaged vessel will remain damaged until the celestial manafests in it and heals it. > >2) If you have two Vessels and the one you are in is "killed", I assume >you can't transfer into another Vessel and avoid being pulled back to your >Heart? nope. the vessel doesn't exist on the corpreal plane. in fact, it doesn't really exist anywhere. (what my group refers to as null-space) when you change vessels you go celestial for a split second as your vessel goes into null-space (just like when you ascend) and the new one forms around you. however, if you are vessel killed you can only transfer into a vessel that is on the corpreal plane... > >3) What's with Body Bags? (the Artifact) I understand the paragraph in >the book, however, if you change Vessels by expending the Essence (rather >than being "killed"), do you find yourself in the Body Bag? If so, what >happens to the Vessel you used to be in? > ...and this is where the body bag comes in handy. without a celestial a vessel would die on the corporeal plane. body bags work like this: you crawl into it, go celestial and manifest in your other vessel. instead of going into null-space the old vessel remains in suspended animation in the body bag. if your vessel gets killed you awaken in the body bag in your spare vessel. hope that answers your questions. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:55:59 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> I.N. Questions At 10:03 AM +1000 8/3/99, Michael Moore wrote: >I've also read that the "unused" >Vessels are not in the Coporeal Realm while not in use. Right -- I generally term 'where' they are as "potentiality." They are potentially there, but they're not there yet. >1) After you "morph" to another Vessel I assume this means you are now >using the _new_ vessels hits? Yes. Your old vessel is wounded, but tucked away into potentiality. It will get no worse, but no better, either. (And the wristwatch will not progress -- always fix your watch after you don your vessel.) >2) If you have two Vessels and the one you are in is "killed", I assume >you can't transfer into another Vessel and avoid being pulled back to your >Heart? If you are swapping vessels at the moment that your old vessel gets the final death-blow, then you get to be in your new one -- and your old one is dead. (A Superior may be able to fix it, or at least take any cool stuff out of 'potentiality' for you to use.) If you get killed instantly, though -- you're in Trauma (unless you're a Malakite) and staring at your Heart/in Limbo. You can, of course, switch out of a badly wounded vessel. >3) What's with Body Bags? (the Artifact) I understand the paragraph in >the book, however, if you change Vessels by expending the Essence (rather >than being "killed"), do you find yourself in the Body Bag? If so, what >happens to the Vessel you used to be in? If you have a vessel in a Body Bag, you _can't_ use it except by 1 of two methods: #1: the vessel you're in is killed. You wake up in the vessel in the BB. #2: you go celestial, move into the BB, and take command of the vessel there. (The reverse of how you put it in.) You can't change into it, otherwise. (A tradeoff.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 23:17:47 -0600 From: Michael Tarr Subject: IN> Two bizarre questions I have two questions of a bizare nature: 1) When using the Celestial Song of Seals, contained in a room, and a celestial's vessel inside this area of the song is destroyed, does he still go into Trauma, appearing next to his heart, or does the song contain the celestial inside, leaving it open to soul damage? 2) Using the song of posession on a celestial's vessel, the mind of the celestial whose vessel is being posessed is sent into the marches. Now, what happens if someone engages the celestial's mind in ethereal combat and inflicts Mind hits equal to or in excess of the celestial's total Mind hits? The main book says that the person goes unconcious, is ejected from the Marches, and is given one level of ethereal discord. Where does the celestial get ejected to? His vessel is still posessed (assuming he has only one) and kicking them back to Heaven/Hell seems a bit odd (what happens to the vessel in that case?)... We've looked and pondered, but haven't found any better answers... Thanks Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:27:31 GMT From: huekauni49@fhills.starway.net.au (Resopiu) Subject: IN> Dream Vacation Getaway ! WIN Florida/Cruise Sweepstakes! CONGRATULATIONS! PACK YOUR BAGS! You have been Invited to ENTER the Florida/Cruise Getaway Sweepstakes ! ! ! This Dream Vacation WILL be given away. Will You be One of the Lucky Ones? You have been Invited to ENTER for a LIMITED TIME ONLY Click here *-**-*-*--**-*- *-**-*-*--**-*- *-**-*-*--**-*- For-list-removal, email littletike@bigfoot.com with the subject remove *-**-*-*--**-*- *-**-*-*--**-*- *-**-*-*--** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:09:29 EDT From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Two bizarre questions In a message dated 8/2/99 10:13:31 PM, mtarr@uswest.net writes: >I have two questions of a bizarre nature: > >1) When using the Celestial Song of Seals, contained in a room, and a >celestial's vessel inside this area of the song is destroyed, does he still >go into Trauma, appearing next to his heart, or does the song contain the >celestial inside, leaving it open to soul damage? > Song of Seals? Is this something from L. Canticorum? (I don't remember it, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything...) >2) Using the song of possession on a celestial's vessel, the mind of the >celestial whose vessel is being possessed is sent into the marches. Now, >what happens if someone engages the celestial's mind in ethereal combat >and inflicts Mind hits equal to or in excess of the celestial's total Mind >hits? The main book says that the person goes unconscious, is ejected from >the Marches, and is given one level of ethereal discord. Where does the >celestial get ejected to? His vessel is still possessed (assuming he has >only one) and kicking them back to Heaven/Hell seems a bit odd (what >happens to the vessel in that case?)... We've looked and pondered, but >haven't found any better answers... > How did you find the mind? It's in its own dreamscape in the Marches, and not trackable by a celestial link (Djinn or Cherub resonance or Affinity{?}). Once that's settled, and a dreamwalker enters the dreamscape, I'd say the victim will be at his heart, probably in Trauma, and the vessel goes potential. (Kicking the Kyrio or singer of the Song of Possession out, possibly giving them dissonance). > > Thanks > > Mike > I really want to know more about the circumstances which brought these questions up... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:12:10 -0400 From: "EDG (and Orc)" Subject: Re: IN> Two bizarre questions At 11:17 PM 8/2/99 -0600, you wrote: >1) When using the Celestial Song of Seals, contained in a room, and a >celestial's vessel inside this area of the song is destroyed, does he still >go into Trauma, appearing next to his heart, or does the song contain the >celestial inside, leaving it open to soul damage? I'd assume that the celestial is trapped ("anyone completely contained within the barrier cannot ascend to the celestial realm..."). By the way, Mark, this is indeed in the Songbook, on p. 51. >2) Using the song of posession on a celestial's vessel, the mind of the >celestial whose vessel is being posessed is sent into the marches. Now, >what happens if someone engages the celestial's mind in ethereal combat and >inflicts Mind hits equal to or in excess of the celestial's total Mind >hits? The main book says that the person goes unconcious, is ejected from >the Marches, and is given one level of ethereal discord. Where does the >celestial get ejected to? His vessel is still posessed (assuming he has >only one) and kicking them back to Heaven/Hell seems a bit odd (what >happens to the vessel in that case?)... We've looked and pondered, but >haven't found any better answers... A celestial whose vessel is Possessed may return to Earth in another vessel, if he has one. If he decides to stay in the Marches until someone can inflict his total Mind Hits on him, then he's ejected to the corporeal realm, in celestial form, at the place where he was when he was evicted from his vessel (along with taking the Ethereal Discord). Assuming I'm reading that right. :) - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 02:03:13 +0100 From: Rhodri James Subject: Re: IN> Ethereals In article , Jason F. McBrayer wrote: > > PC Ethereals should be either well-known fictional characters, or > members of a "servitor race" / minor deities of a pagan pantheon > which is still well-known, if not actually still worshipped > (valkyries, satyrs, nymphs, banshees, etc. would be appropriate, for > example). IMC, I'm a bit more generous than that, though the Ethereals are all NPCs and therefore covered by the First Rule of GMing: Fudge to Fit. For example [Michael, stop reading!] I have got one Ethereal who is effectively the embodiment of childhood dreams of heroism. Sort of Anakin Skywalker, Wesley Crusher and Superboy rolled together, with a pinch of salt and a healthy dose of Lethe water :-) While there may not be much belief in any one example of same, lots of teens and pre-teens do day-dream of being the hero and saving the day. I suspect I stole this concept from someone who did it a lot better -- I know I stole the setup I'm using, more or less wholesale, I just changed two names to make it harder for my players to spot. > PC Ethereals should be based on 7 Forces. Most Ethereals in my games > would be weaker than this. PC Ethereals do not have any problem with > (nor derive any benefit from) variations in human belief over the > timescales involved in a normal campaign. Seems reasonable. I'd run with Beth's "7-9 Forces is stable" idea myself. > PC Ethereals can buy unique attunements for 10 character points, > subject to GM approval/modification. They can buy unique rites for 3 > character points each. Again, I'm more generous to NPCs. Zack's "Teflon Smile" attunement (the ability to be likeable -- no stronger than that -- under even very trying circumstances) only cost him 5pts. - -- Rhodri James *-* Wildebeeste herder to the masses If you don't know who I work for, you can't misattribute my words to them ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 18:07:06 -0600 From: Michael Tarr Subject: Re: IN> Two bizarre questions >>1) When using the Celestial Song of Seals, contained in a room, and a >>celestial's vessel inside this area of the song is destroyed, does he still >>go into Trauma, appearing next to his heart, or does the song contain the >>celestial inside, leaving it open to soul damage? > >I'd assume that the celestial is trapped ("anyone completely contained >within the barrier cannot ascend to the celestial realm..."). > >By the way, Mark, this is indeed in the Songbook, on p. 51. This is what one of my players was hoping, so he could make a soul-killing monster of a celestial. >A celestial whose vessel is Possessed may return to Earth in another >vessel, if he has one. If he decides to stay in the Marches until someone >can inflict his total Mind Hits on him, then he's ejected to the corporeal >realm, in celestial form, at the place where he was when he was evicted >from his vessel (along with taking the Ethereal Discord). Assuming I'm >reading that right. :) That was something we hadn't considered. Can a celestial form on earth be unconcious, though? The book says that you are knocked unconcious as well. And if unconcious too long, you'd be knocked back to wherever your heart is? The thought of a unconcious 30m-long winged snake laying on the ground is a strange in my opinion. Mike ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1298 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1999 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. 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