From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Sep 20 22:57:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA32090 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:57:36 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id WAA31849 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:55:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:55:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199909210355.WAA31849@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1335 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, September 20 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1335 In this digest: IN> The Fall of Andrealphus Re: IN> Andrealpheus Re: IN> Primordial Angels Re: IN> Questions galore . . . Re: IN> Primordial Angels Re: IN> Re: Words Re: IN> Haagenti and the Ultimate Joke... Re: IN> In Nomine: The Wild West Re: IN> In Nomine: The Wild West Re: IN> Haagenti and the Ultimate Joke... Re: IN> Haagenti and the Ultimate Joke... Re: IN> Primordial Angels Re: IN> Exchange of forces Re: Lucifer's Power level...(was Re: IN> Primordial Angels) [Fluff] Re: IN> A Disturbance in the Force Re: IN> Primordial Angels IN> Seneschals and Forces IN> questions IN> Strange Idea Re: IN> Strange Idea ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 20:02:34 PDT From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> The Fall of Andrealphus I seem to remember that Andrealphus started out at the *Angel* of Love, not the Archangel. (There's a part of the Angelic Player's Guide where they describe a group of recently-fallen demons talking to each other, and he's one of them, and they call him the Angel of Love.) I enjoyed the idea of David throwing him out, Novalis trying to catch him, etc. as excellent theater, but I don't believe it nevertheless. I think he was seduced by Lucifer like the majority of the other Fallen at the time. (One of the things Lucifer is probably better at now than he was then is delegating. At the beginning, he did most of the important corrupting himself, everything himself, because it lessened the security risk, wasn't sure anyone else would do it the way he wanted it done, and didn't *have* much of a staff to which to delegate.) Love, as I see it, is a primary unselfish trait, and one of the most powerful facets of angelic nature. What Lucifer did was taint this love with selfishness, the prime facet of diabolic nature. This is relatively easy to envision: Lucifer asking Andre what *he* was getting out of all this love, whether he was loved as much as he deserved, why he shouldn't think of what *he* wanted once in a while, promising that if he followed Lucifer he could please *himself* and not always be looking outward to what pleased other people ... and before you can say "Look out below," you have a demon whose only concern is his own desires and pleasures, who feels that other people are tools, vessels, objects in the attainment of those pleasures, and who doesn't care about (or even acknowledge) anyone's needs, wishes, feelings, or preferences except his own. No more looking outward to the beloved; only looking inward to your own pleasure. In other words, the Angel of Love has fallen and become the Angel of Lust. I can see him as a Djinn, but he'd be very different from the Andrealphus we currently have. A fallen Mercurian is much more appropriate than a fallen Cherub, because Mercurian love is a universal thing and Cherubic love is a specific, focused thing. Janet Anderson ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:11:21 EDT From: Samovar3@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Andrealpheus Tim Groth wrote: <> Well, I figured that the traditional Lust way to use the attunement was to use it after having sex with the target. I also made it that way because I completely misread the Dark Desire attunement. However, I will borrow a balseraphic mindset to justify this. {begin balseraph} Sleeping targets should either not get a will roll to resist or should have penalties up the Wazoo. The way it's written, the attunement is a vague mimic of a resonance, which was intentional, because demons don't get a lot of information out of their resonances (Lilim and Shedim excepted). This is because the demons aren't connected to the Symphony. Hence, this attunement is a demonic way (not getting the information directly, but forcing another to give it) for information gathering. {end balseraph} Trent wrote: <> This is exactly what I was thinking. The Words were warped, not total opposites. If, say, Jordi Fell, he'd become something like the Demon Prince of Savagery, instead of the DP of, um, Humans or Urbanization. (I'm at a loss for a good antonym of Animals. Minerals? Vegetables?) S. Flanigan Demon of Taking Characters Apart Messing Around With Them and Putting Them Back Together in New Forms ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 00:11:22 EDT From: Samovar3@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Primordial Angels >>>The order helps, but it brings up my main complant about In-nomine canon, Lucifer not being before Michael (not to mention in his write up as an Archangel Michael is called the most powerful celestial body and mind).<<< It's already been pointed out that this statement is misquoted, but if it were true, then that would mean that Hell's only hope is for Lilith to kick Michael's butt. Anyone else having trouble seeing this? While it's sort of vaguely on the subject, a while ago, it was mentioned that some people interpreted the Mercurian dissonance condition as to include psychological damage as well. Could this be how Lilith learned how to bargain? Lilith: Well, it's a deal then. Marc: Ah ha! You missed out subsection 5, paragraph 14, line 2, clause 3 that states the conditions of our agreement. Since you're not a celestial, I don't have to give you anything and you still have to give me the relic. Lilith (crying): You're mean! (Marc eats a point of dissonance.) Marc: Erm, let me teach you how to avoid that. There, there. Don't cry. So, what's the standard Need level for "Not having to explain this dissonance to Dominic/Asmodeus?" Standard level 6? S. Flanigan Demon of Taking Characters Apart Messing Around With Them and Putting Them Back Together in New Forms ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:29:21 -0400 From: John Karakash - Lucent ASCC Subject: Re: IN> Questions galore . . . Shane wrote: > > > 1) The Song of Shields -- I'm guessing it gives complete protection from > > any sort of physical trauma, so you could cast it on yourself and jump of a > > building, and just kinda bounce at the bottom, yes? It also protects > > against any *other* physical damage (like heat; the description in Liber > > Canticorum suggests stopping a nuclear blast with it -- but wouldn't the > > light from the blast render you blind, even if the gamma rays didn't harm > > you?) > > The way I play it, the (Corporeal) Song of Shields protects against all > (Corporeal) harm - whether you've fallen off the top of the Empire State > Building or been at ground zero in a nuclear blast, you won't be harmed. > Of course, this is only so long as the Shield lasts (CD+Corp rounds) and > while an atomic explosion is practically instantaneous, the resulting > fireball and radioactivity lasts much longer! Note that unlike Malakim of > David attunement, the song does not make one immovable - if a nuclear > bomb goes off nearby, the blast will still knock one about (a lot!). I'm > undecided as to whether one'd smash the pavement at the base of the > Empire State Building or not if one fell off the top while protected by > Corp Shields, though with my players I'd lean towards yes (the line about > Janus's servitors comes to mind - "and mayhem ensues"). > > Since this question's come up before, I'll mention some other GMs on the > list play it as only protecting from material harm (ie, it'll stop a > brick, but not a laser or radiation*). I guess it depends on just how > miraculous you wish Songs to be. > > *Note that some types of radiation would qualify as matter, albeit very > energetic matter. Canonically, it protects the user from ALL corporeal harm from outside the radius (and vice-versa as seen in the CPG). It's a miracle, not a science project! ;) OTOH, if you want lasers to go through it, have fun; I won't bang on your door with the continuity police. - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ | John Karakash - Lucent Technologies/Bell Labs | | (919)388-2665(COOL) MIB2300 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:27:06 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Primordial Angels At 12:33 PM -0400 9/19/99, David Edelstein wrote: > >>>The order helps, but it brings up my main complant about In-nomine >canon, >Lucifer not being before Michael (not to mention in his write up as an >Archangel Michael is called the most powerful celestial body and mind).<<< > > >Actually, it was Baal who Fell primarily out of resentment towards the >treatment of Michael, his "older sibling." Now this is very interesting. Very *very* interesting. So Baal and Michael are reenacting the Prodigal Son? This would make for a *very* interesting redemption on Baal's part, if one thinks more deeply on it. Especially given Baal's resentment has become a form of respect. Unless it's a resentment against the *bad* treatment towards Michael that you're referring to, but surely all of that happened long after Baal fell. (IMC, Michael and Baal have set up a little training ground where they send some of their Angels and Demons to skirmish and fight -- acting and reenacting scenarios of the Final Battle over and again. This reflects a kind of tension between Michael and Laurence as well - -- Michael gives all deference and obedience to Laurence as General of the War, but Michael deep down believes the War is his to pursue, and when the day comes it will be his Word and axe that carries Heaven, and no one else's. Which is a reflection of the fact that Dominic's trial and conviction were correct ones, but God needed Michael more than he needed Dominic's Truth to out. No wonder Dominic's such a killjoy these days...._ >At the time of the Fall, Michael was more powerful than Lucifer, though >probably not so much more powerful that it wasn't a tough fight. There is also the (somewhat CDaU if I read my GMG playtest correctly) Metatron factor. Lucifer fought (and killed) the Metatron first, then fought Michael. One couldn't fight the Archangel of the Voice/Presence/Whatever Metatron was (assuming a "physical" fight) without losing a good number of Forces. And then of course Michael was fresh.... Hm.... What if the original "Carved Hell out of Metatron" idea doesn't need to be totally scrapped? What if Metatron's shattered Forces were taken by Lucifer when Lucifer was kicked Down, and Lucifer remade them -- not adding them to himself (whereupon they'd become his own Forces) but instead wearing them like a cloak -- one that gives him abilities reserved for the Presence of the Lord. The ability to convince the Symphony to impress a Word onto a Demon, for example (but since it's only a Balseraph's self-lie that causes Lucifer to believe he has that right and ability, the Word is twisted into a mockery of Words, becoming a selfish thing that really only responds to the Demon's own Personal Symphony.) Or the ability to do whatever Lucifer did to Lilith to give her a Word and her abilities.... >Whether or not he is still more powerful than Lucifer is >questionable. It can be argued that Lucifer has gained tremendously >in power since then. OTOH, it can also be argued that just because >Lucifer has learned many, many tricks and can do things that Michael >can't, doesn't necessarily mean he is yet a match for Michael in >sheer, raw power. True enough. Whatever Lucifer's Word is now (if he has one), Michael's Word is War, and he has refined his power and Word immeasurably since the Fall. (Michael's one of the few Archangels to make a direct appearance in my Game unrelated to the PC's. The reaction of pretty much everyone, Angel or Demon, was 'oh Bloody Hell' when he walked through the door.) - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | now with web site content! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:29:38 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Re: Words At 6:56 PM -0400 9/19/99, Samovar3@aol.com wrote: >I'd put the Word of Mathematics under Knowledge, and now Lightning. I don't >think Purity could deal with a concept like, say, imaginary numbers (too >heretical, "What do these mortals think that they can create like God?"). > >However, the Word of Mathematicians goes firmly under Factions. Major >universities have departments of Mathematics, Applied Mathematics, >Statistics, and Bio-Statistics, and the faculty of each try to minimize >contact with the others as much as possible. The demon of Mathematicians is >allied with the demon of Coffee, who makes sure that mathematicians keep >going when they'd otherwise fall down. Hm. This actually can extend out to what Walter and I were batting about with Literary Criticism. I expect that the Angel of Critical Theory is one of Yves's (more or less), having come from Raphael's, but the Word of Literary Critics is a Demonic one, and also is Malphas's. Malphas has had a Golden Age since Raphael went away -- all those lovely knowledge disciplines in academia, so easy to factionalize into vicious infighting.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | now with web site content! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:16:56 -0600 From: "Ben Glickler" Subject: Re: IN> Haagenti and the Ultimate Joke... > Kobal's Ultimate Joke is happening: he plans to make Haagenti replace > Lucifer! > Haagenti doesn't realize it yet, but the rulers of Sloth and Oblivion were > only the beginning-- Kobal's ultimate joke is Haagenti eating > (figuratively, literally, or both) Lucifer and taking over hell.... > > What do you think? I think Kobal's special relationship with Lucifer prevents this from happening. If Kobal were a lot more powerful and a little less obssessive about his word, there would be very little making him different from Lucifer. It's like they're brothers -- and they both appreciate Dark Humor. ;) Then again, Kobal had a special relationship with God, and he betrayed him, if I recall the Angelic Player's Guide correctly... Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:20:18 EDT From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine: The Wild West In a message dated 9/18/99 9:35:31 PM, paranial@creighton.edu writes: >After being away in Hawai'i for the summer. I am finally back in school >in >Omaha, NE (Ugh). To herald my return I will post some possible ideas for >an >Old West Campaign: > >An Ofanite of War Gunfighter is unbeatable. > >If a Sheriff of a town is a Celestial nine times out of ten he is a >Servitor of Judgment. A further nine times out of ten he is a Seraph. > >All servitors of the Sword are Cavalry Officers. > >Comments suggestions ridicule, > >Bradley Paranial, Mercurian Vassal of War Exposer of B'harni. > > Here's a list of Wild West Roles for various Choirs/Superiors (Angelic): Any servitor of Janus could be a cowboy, though Mercurians and Malakim might get the most from the role. (More likely rustler than hand, but hey...) Yves, Mercurian: the pretty School Ma'am. Michael or Laurence, Ofanite or Malakite, the Gunslinger. Novalis or Blandine, Mercurian or Cherub, the Whore with a heart of gold. David, Cherub, Seraph, or Malakite; the Foreman of the ranch owned by the Young Heiress. Michael or David, Seraph, the Newspaper Editor. Marc, Elohite or Mercurian, the Banker. Dominic, Seraph, Malakite, Elohite, or Mercurian; the Lawyer. Jean, Seraph or Mercurian ( :) ), the Station Master Jean, Ofanite or Elohite, the Telegraph Operator. There's a pile of demonic Roles, too, but I need to get to work... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:30:11 -0400 From: Ben Aldred Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine: The Wild West >Here's a list of Wild West Roles for various Choirs/Superiors (Angelic): > >Any servitor of Janus could be a cowboy, though Mercurians and Malakim might >get the most from the role. (More likely rustler than hand, but hey...) > >Yves, Mercurian: the pretty School Ma'am. > >Michael or Laurence, Ofanite or Malakite, the Gunslinger. > >Novalis or Blandine, Mercurian or Cherub, the Whore with a heart of gold. > >David, Cherub, Seraph, or Malakite; the Foreman of the ranch owned by the >Young Heiress. > >Michael or David, Seraph, the Newspaper Editor. > >Marc, Elohite or Mercurian, the Banker. > >Dominic, Seraph, Malakite, Elohite, or Mercurian; the Lawyer. > >Jean, Seraph or Mercurian ( :) ), the Station Master > >Jean, Ofanite or Elohite, the Telegraph Operator. > you forgot the ofanite of Marc Stagecoach driver ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:41:56 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Haagenti and the Ultimate Joke... At 9:16 AM -0600 9/20/99, Ben Glickler wrote: > > Kobal's Ultimate Joke is happening: he plans to make Haagenti replace > > Lucifer! > > Haagenti doesn't realize it yet, but the rulers of Sloth and Oblivion were > > only the beginning-- Kobal's ultimate joke is Haagenti eating > > (figuratively, literally, or both) Lucifer and taking over hell.... > > > > What do you think? > > I think Kobal's special relationship with Lucifer prevents this from > happening. If Kobal were a lot more powerful and a little less > obssessive about his word, there would be very little making him > different from Lucifer. It's like they're brothers -- and they both > appreciate Dark Humor. ;) > > Then again, Kobal had a special relationship with God, and he > betrayed him, if I recall the Angelic Player's Guide correctly... Maybe. We don't *know* what Kobal and God discussed, after all. I occasionally have the opinion that God set up the ultimate practical joke on the universe, forcing both Celestials and humans to evolve in ways God couldn't predict, and in so doing gave Kobal the ability to give demonic Words, which Kobal does through Lucifer, at Lucifer's behest, laughing all the while.... But that's the Very Low Contrast version talking. - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | now with web site content! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 15:01:18 -0500 From: "Trent" Subject: Re: IN> Haagenti and the Ultimate Joke... > We don't *know* what Kobal and God discussed, after all. > > I occasionally have the opinion that God set up the ultimate > practical joke on the universe, forcing both Celestials and humans to > evolve in ways God couldn't predict, and in so doing gave Kobal the > ability to give demonic Words, which Kobal does through Lucifer, at > Lucifer's behest, laughing all the while.... > > But that's the Very Low Contrast version talking. Sometimes I wonder if God asked Kobal to fall. It would be intresting to say the least... Or sumetimes I guess that God's assighnment to Kobal has been largely forgotten by the Demon Prince and just recently the exact wording is beging to bang around in Kobal's subconchious (do demon princes have a subchonchious?) and my be spuring on the Big Joke. In any case God's assignment and Kobal's Big Joke are definattly related IMC. Trent Ofinite of Janus (I'm back after a long snit where I could recive email but not send it.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:35:15 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Primordial Angels At 3:18 PM -0600 9/17/99, Tim Groth wrote: >The order helps, but it brings up my main complant about In-nomine canon, >Lucifer not being before Michael (not to mention in his write up as an >Archangel Michael is called the most powerful celestial body and mind). Sorry 'bout that... (I admit, it's a bit sad since one can't use the quote from _Book of Night with Moon_ -- "Eldest, Fairest, and Fallen, greeting and defiance." But it was like that when I got here and I'm hardly going to go changing it _now_.... O:> ) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:35:15 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Exchange of forces At 10:57 PM -0400 9/17/99, Walter Milliken wrote: >At 20:10 -0400 9/17/99, Yves Dorval wrote: >>What would happen if 2 madly in love celestials from different choirs/bands >>managed to convince a Superior to *exchange* 1 or more forces between >>them??? [...] >Generally, I'd say swapping Forces would move them toward similarity; they'd >develop a "family resemblance". If they were different Choirs, they might >take one mild aspects of the other's Choir nature, sort of like a >very mild Discord, or a weak form of the influence of their Superior's Word. Memetic influence, yeah. They certainly wouldn't develop any _resonance_ similarities in canon! (No, you _can't_ 'crossbreed' celestials...) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:35:14 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: Lucifer's Power level...(was Re: IN> Primordial Angels) At 1:04 AM -0500 9/18/99, Ben Chism wrote: > I view Lucifer post-Fall as something different than he was >pre-Fall...even moreso than just the Angel/Demon switch. [HACK, CHOP, SLICE!] That's certainly the canon take on it. It's dwelled upon in even more detail in the forthcoming (I belive they're working on art for it) Game Master's Guide. (Sometimes nicknamed the GPG -- God Player's Guide.) I figure, as a Balseraph, his first Big Lie was, "I AM THE MOST POWERFUL!" Then he got whonged with dissonance, and probably stuck a little (demon) in there. Now, any other Balseraph could try that, but they can't just tell it to the Symphony. So the little Balseraph is piping up, "I AM THE MOST POWERFUL BALSERAPH!" and even assuming that they can make this stick long enough to not get squished by a Prince, eventually Lucifer comes along, blinks each pair of eyes in turn, and says, "NO. YOU'RE NOT." And the little Balseraph vanishes in a squish as its Lie runs up against the Lightbringer's WILL. Or that's something I came up with in a fevered state of mind the other day. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:35:13 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: [Fluff] Re: IN> A Disturbance in the Force At 12:06 AM -0500 9/18/99, Benjamin Acosta wrote: > From: Whistling in the Dark >> >> At 1:32 AM -0400 9/17/99, JadePsion@aol.com wrote: >> >....and who decides what good and evil is. >> >> I do. >> I called dibs. > >Ok, that's fair. But I get to decide what cool and lame is. >And I also call shotgun. >I originally was going to call dibs on who lives and who dies, but I >believe that's the line editor's perogative. Oh, quite. I also get to decide what Good and Awful is, and call for rewrites. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:07:41 -0500 From: "Trent" Subject: Re: IN> Primordial Angels - ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth McCoy To: Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 6:35 PM Subject: Re: IN> Primordial Angels > But it was like that when I got here and I'm hardly going to go > changing it _now_.... O:> ) Especially since Micheal was gust given an expanded write-up in Superiors 1. Trent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 19:04:03 -0500 From: "Amo Nympham" Subject: IN> Seneschals and Forces I scoured the Liber Castellorum and couldn't find the answer: what's the typical force range and distinction level of a Seneschal for the 3 "levels" of Tethers? - -Dennis H. Groome V "Amo Nympham" ICQ: 11340261 "I think I woke up screaming, 'cause I had a dream that you still loved me" -Stabbing Westward, ACF ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 03:59:05 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?B?Sm9uYXMgSORsbHN0cvZt?= Subject: IN> questions This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BF03E5.A5C66520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable can anyone give me a describtion of Ofanim Seraphim Malakim=20 Mercurian=20 Cherubim=20 Elohim Kyriotate what are they......and soo stuff..... - ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BF03E5.A5C66520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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- ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BF03E5.A5C66520-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:33:19 -0600 From: Tim Groth Subject: IN> Strange Idea Alright I was reading the CPG and I noticed that humans can receive choir/band attunements if they get a force from a celestial of the type in question. So it is possible for Kronos to give a human an angelic resonance (unless you interpret the bit in the IPG really strictly about how the attunement comes from a Balseraphs ability to lie to the Symphony). But beyond that Yves could grant a human an angelic resonance with his Master distinction. So what would dissonance do to a human? I would think that instead of gaining dissonance they would suffer hits (of some appropriate type), or perhaps granting them a resonance would permently alter them and dissonance may accumulate and turn to disadvantages (or actual Discord). It was just an odd thought bouncing around in my head that I decided to share. Timothy, "Angel" of Rambling If you have a hankering for waffles or chicken i know the place for you: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:50:38 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> Strange Idea > So what would dissonance do to a human? Darn good question. I mean, part of the point of being human is that you're *free*... unlike Celestials, you don't have a "nature" that compels you to act a certain way. I'd say humans Just Can't get dissonance. Doug M. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1335 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1999 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.