From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Sep 23 13:26:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA31562 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:26:52 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id NAA28916 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:22:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:22:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199909231822.NAA28916@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1338 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, September 23 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1338 In this digest: Re: IN> Questions galore . . . Re: IN> Strange Idea Re: IN> Great New Book Tells About Male Sexual Secrets IN> T-Shirt King Affiliate Program IN> Humans and Forces (Re: Strange Idea) IN> Ethereals and Essence Re: IN> Questions galore . . . IN> cannon and your game (Fluffy) Re: IN> T-Shirt King Affiliate Program Re: IN> Great New Book Tells About Male Sexual Secrets Re: IN> Spam was [Great New Book Tells About Male Sexual Secrets] Re: IN> Strange Idea Re: IN> Questions galore . . . Re: IN> Questions galore . . . Re: IN> Questions galore . . . Re: IN> Marisol Re: IN> Questions galore . . . Re: IN> Re: IN- A Disturbance in the Force Re: IN> PREMIUM CABLE TV ....No Extra Charge Re: IN> Re: IN- A Disturbance in the Force Re: IN> Spam was [Great New Book Tells About Male Sexual Secrets] IN> [ADMIN] Stopping spammers Re: IN> Questions galore . . . (Mormon Theology) Re: IN> Ethereals and Essence Re: IN> cannon and your game (Fluffy) Re: IN> Questions galore . . . (Mormon Theology) Re: IN> Questions galore . . . IN> Submitted for you approval. Re: IN> Questions galore . . . (Mormon Theology) Re: IN> Questions galore . . . (Mormon Theology) Re: IN> Questions galore . . . Re: IN> Submitted for you approval. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:32:31 +0100 From: "Neil" Subject: Re: IN> Questions galore . . . +AD4APg- Now -there's- a question. Is it just Earth, or are the Superiors out there +AD4APg-workin' all sapient life in the Universe and the -servitors- are just +AD4APg-planet-specific? Considering their relatively low numbers compared to humans, +AD4APg-it bears thinking about... +AD4APg- +AD4----Walter +AD4- I,ve been thinking about this for a while and this is what I came up with: The Celestials have been warring for millenia, on all the planets (with sentient life) they have been manipulating the indiginous race to the end that Humans know as Armageddon. All the races feared this final battle and for good reason: it wipes them out. The Celestials on both sides get hit hard, perhaps even an Archangel/Demon Prince or two, but ultimately the planet is doomed. This has been going on for untold generations and is the cause of Gabriel's madness. She never understood why this was happening, why the so called 'good' guys were perpetrating such atrocities. Yves and others told her it was not for them to question, that it was the ineffable plan and so she did nothing, the blood of billions accruing on her hands. The Eden experiment is simply the EARTHLY version of an experiment that has been going on for countless eons. Why didn't Gabriel Fall? Well she eventually reconciled these terrible happenings in the only way she knew how: they were a punishment, a punishment of Lucifer handed down by God Himself. Afterall Lucifer was once an Angel. He had Angelic friends, lovers. Now he is doomed to see all these eventually die, slowly eon by eon. Not only that but he is forced to watch the Angels degrade themselves become more and more like their enemy and ultimately destroying the Symphony, destroying God. This is why humans are so important, they are the last chance, the only hope for Lucifer breaking the terrible cycle of Death, the brakes for God's destruction. Do Humans have free will? Lucifer sincerely hopes so. After Armageddon that's it. Humanity is the final race....... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:23:44 -0700 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> Strange Idea Okay, this thing about a celestial grafting Forces to humans makes me wonder...a 6 Force human is a Soldier. They are Symphonically aware, they ca be taught some Songs, et cetera. Does anything stop a Superior from adding -more- Forces to a human? What really stops one from going from 6 to 7? If the person is a Soldier of Hell, does that suddenly make the human more like a newborn demon, or just a rather powerful human? Can a Superior potentially -transform- a human into a Celestial? I know it'd be insanely rare, if even possible, but can it be done? - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:33:07 -0700 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> Great New Book Tells About Male Sexual Secrets rhenderson@gnwmail.com wrote: > Now any man, regardless of age, can easily learn: > > * To be multi-orgasmic > * To greatly increase the intensity of his orgasm > * Triple the length of his orgasm > * The secrets to penis enlargement > * Discover the male G-spot > * To greatly increase semen volume > * The facts about Viagra, plus new drugs > * To eliminate premature ejaculation > * The secrets of getting his partner to want more sex > * To eliminate impotence at any age > * To have up to a three hour erection > > New, Easy to Read Book on Men's Sexual Secrets > Male Sexual Secret's > Written > by > Robert Winter and Jeff Rutgard, M.D. > > This is a fantastic new book covering so many little > known and unknown sexual secret's you'll be amazed. > If you don't learn something new in the first few pages > that greatly increases your sex life we'll return your money. > > The total cost of this book is only $12.95 plus $3.95 shipping > and handling. > > To order " Men's Secrets" Call 800-442-4853 24 hours a day > or you can send your check or money order for $16.90 to > > Avatar Publishing > 168 second Ave > #PBM 285 > New York, NY. 10003 > > This message is sent in compliance of the new e-mail bill: > SECTION 301. Per Section 301, Paragraph(a)(2)(c) of S.1618 > > To be removed from our e-mail list please send an email with > the word Remove in the subject line to 100removeme@usa.net > or call 888-248-2594. Looks like Andre's spamming the list again...But look, they left a phone number and an email...sic 'em, Beth! ;) - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:38:20 -0500 From: T-Shirt King Subject: IN> T-Shirt King Affiliate Program Would you be interested in joining the T-Shirt King Affiliate Program and include T-Shirt King in your shopping site? Information about the Affiliate Program can be found at: http://www.t-shirtking.com/af/b.asp?id=6 To see the shirts: http://www.t-shirtking.com ******************************************** This email is sent to websites that offer shopping services. If you feel that you have recieved this in error... Reply to this email with REMOVE in the subject line. You will be removed from future mailings. ********************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:47:01 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Humans and Forces (Re: Strange Idea) At 3:23 PM -0700 9/23/99, Steel Angel wrote: > Okay, this thing about a celestial grafting Forces to humans makes me >wonder...a 6 Force human is a Soldier. They are Symphonically aware, they ca be >taught some Songs, et cetera. Does anything stop a Superior from adding -more- >Forces to a human? Yes. This is all in the Corporel Player's Guide, so I'm not going to wear out my fingers with the details, but basically, humans have a "potential Force total" which, if they exceed it, makes it very likely that they will die. Oops. What the potential total is, varies from human to human. It often cannot be spotted reliably, IIRC. The highest possible potential total for a human is 15 Forces. >Can a Superior potentially -transform- a human into a Celestial? Not In Canon, NO WAY. In your own game, sure, fine, whatever. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:38:54 -0600 From: Tim Groth Subject: IN> Ethereals and Essence I've been looking in the Marches and In-Nomine and have yet to find where it says how much essence ethereal things need to survive, or even anywhere it mentions how essence is used to sustain the existance of an ethereal. There are only mentions of how ethereals need essence to survive (apparently beyond the 1 they regenerate each night). Am I missing something in the books, or is it just something put out there as an idea for GMs? If so what are some ideas on how to deal with it in a campeign. Timothy, "Angel" of Rambling If you have a hankering for waffles or chicken i know the place for you: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 17:40:03 -0500 From: "Trent" Subject: Re: IN> Questions galore . . . +AD4- I,ve been thinking about this for a while and this is what I came up with: +AD4- +ADw-nifty idea sniped+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- This is why humans are so important, they are the last chance, the only hope +AD4- for Lucifer breaking the terrible cycle of Death, the brakes for God's +AD4- destruction. +AD4- Do Humans have free will? Lucifer sincerely hopes so. +AD4- After Armageddon that's it. +AD4- Humanity is the final race....... Not bad, but too dark to go into my camapin. how about this alternative: The lightbringer and god have been argueing for a +AF8-very+AF8- long time. There have been other sencient races on other planets, and to all apprences there will be new intelegance long after Sol burns out. Some of these races are still around. If the Marcutians are the Friends of Man perhaps the Kryos are the Friends of Planet (the senciant planet Alpha Centauri whose nural network consistes of the native worms, locusts, and fungus distributed across the entire planet of Sid Mir's fame), mabe the Malakim are the Friends of Viracnum (a race of Ultra-honorable lizards from a high-g word), the wheels are also known as the friends of Klimnarum (a race of highly andvanced noamic aves +AFs-so thats why its so hard to get Janus' attention on earth+AF0-), etc. Unfortunatly like most human souls these peoples rarely achive either their fate or their destiny, infact the defineing traits of each race have been reincarnated so often even Yves has almost lost count. Some people belive that the end is near, though some point out that people said that 20 billion years ago. Comments? Suggestions? Trent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 16:02:40 -0700 (PDT) From: David Barr Subject: IN> cannon and your game (Fluffy) It is a given that while our Beloved Archprincess, that canon is canon, and so it shall remain, forevermore, amen. But, we are all allowed to do what we want within the context of our own campaigns. Jus once, i would like to see Beth say, in effect, no, you cannot do that. Not in canon, not even in your own game. But that would be silly. ===== reply to my home address -> daiv@cruzio.com my mother once said that boy is stranger than a three toed barking frog - -Daiv __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:08:49 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> T-Shirt King Affiliate Program Argh. Yes, I have some stuff about maybe being able to stop this. However, it came in at day when I was sick and helping put out work-related fires. (Virtual ones.) I need to go back and _find_ the blessed thing... *sigh* In the mean-time, I'll see what I can do to get this spammer nuked at his ISPs, as usual. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 19:16:39 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Great New Book Tells About Male Sexual Secrets Quoting the entire spam does _NOT_ endear me to people.... Don't do it. I will be hunting down these spammers (if Walter doesn't get them first) and doing what I can anyway. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:37:03 -0500 From: "Trent" Subject: Re: IN> Spam was [Great New Book Tells About Male Sexual Secrets] > Looks like Andre's spamming the list again...But look, they left a > phone number and an email...sic 'em, Beth! ;) > > - Abracax: Shedite of Riots I recomend against sending anything to that mailbox, usually that just tells the evil spamers you skim your spam so they sign you up for more spam lists. sighh. Mabe if everyone would just prented there was no spam it would go away, because surely some idiot is buying their stuff and causing them to continue their evil enterprise. Trent ------------------------------ Date: 22 Sep 1999 20:37:28 -0400 From: jmcbray@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu (Jason F. McBrayer) Subject: Re: IN> Strange Idea >>>>> "SA" == Steel Angel writes: SA> Okay, this thing about a celestial grafting Forces to humans SA> makes me wonder...a 6 Force human is a Soldier. They are SA> Symphonically aware, they ca be taught some Songs, et cetera. Does SA> anything stop a Superior from adding -more- Forces to a human? Probably nothing. I think Archangels would regard this as heretical, and Demon Princes would regard it as excessively dangerous. SA> What really stops one from going from 6 to 7? If the person is a SA> Soldier of Hell, does that suddenly make the human more like a SA> newborn demon, or just a rather powerful human? I'd say it makes them rather like a rather powerful Mummy, wouldn't you? After all, the essence of making a Mummy is grafting on an extra force (as well as granting immortality). SA> Can a Superior potentially -transform- a human into a Celestial? I SA> know it'd be insanely rare, if even possible, but can it be done? I wouldn't allow it IMC. I'd say a human on the receiving end of this treatment would become either a Mummy, or something like a Saint, depending on who did it and how it was done. - -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu | | The scalloped tatters of the King in Yellow must hide Yhtill | | forever. R.W. Chambers _The King in Yellow_ | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 18:24:17 -0700 From: "Jace" Subject: Re: IN> Questions galore . . . - ----- Original Message ----- From: Neil +ADw-Captainparanoia+AEA-lunacy.freeserve.co.uk+AD4- To: +ADw-in+AF8-nomine-l+AEA-lists.io.com+AD4- Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 9:32 AM Subject: Re: IN+AD4- Questions galore . . . +AD4- +AD4APg- Now -there's- a question. Is it just Earth, or are the Superiors out +AD4- there +AD4- +AD4APg-workin' all sapient life in the Universe and the -servitors- are just +AD4- +AD4APg-planet-specific? Considering their relatively low numbers compared to +AD4- humans, +AD4- +AD4APg-it bears thinking about... I hate to interject reality into this but some religions theorize that each solar system has it's own god. Their are a lot of other interesting idea's from real religions, that could be transposed easily into IN. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 20:40:09 -0500 From: "Trent" Subject: Re: IN> Questions galore . . . - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jace +ADw-mmc+AEA-cybcon.com+AD4- To: +ADw-in+AF8-nomine-l+AEA-lists.io.com+AD4- Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 8:24 PM Subject: Re: IN+AD4- Questions galore . . . +AD4- +AD4- I hate to interject reality into this but some religions theorize that each +AD4- solar system has it's own god. Their are a lot of other interesting idea's +AD4- from real religions, that could be transposed easily into IN. Which ones specificaly? Not any of the christian or jewish or islamic relegions. Mabe some +ACI-new age+ACI- religions but not any i've heard of. Though i could belive the scientologists saying somthing like that. Trent Ofanite of Doubt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:16:01 EDT From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Questions galore . . . In a message dated 9/23/99 1:40:58 AM, janus517@hotmail.com writes: >Which ones specifically? Not any of the Christian or Jewish or Islamic >religions. Maybe some +ACI-new age+ACI- religions but not any I've heard >of. Though >I could believe the scientologists saying something like that. > >Trent Ofanite of Doubt > Weelllll... The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, no matter how heterodox, is still technically Christian. (They believe the 'Fish Creed' along with the rest of us Christians: Jesus the Christ, God's Son and Savior.) The entire 'God of each Solar System' is unique, I believe, to them. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 21:23:37 -0600 From: Hadriel Black <01701592@3web.net> Subject: Re: IN> Marisol Ben Aldred wrote: > Does anybody know anything about the play Marisol? I have been reading it > on a play selection committee for my school and it is interesting from an > in nomine viewpoint. It is about angels rebelling against an old and > senile god and the effect that has on a modern new york city. I reccomend > checking it out, I may well write it up with an In Nomine perspective, tell > me if you are interested. > Ben That sounds really interesting. I would be very interested. Hadriel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 23:54:59 -0400 (EDT) From: gantr@NKU.EDU Subject: Re: IN> Questions galore . . . On Wed, 22 Sep 1999 MarkDEddy@aol.com wrote: > Weelllll... The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, no matter how > heterodox, is still technically Christian. (They believe the 'Fish Creed' > along with the rest of us Christians: Jesus the Christ, God's Son and > Savior.) The entire 'God of each Solar System' is unique, I believe, to them. Actually, it isn't really what we believe. "Mormons" believe that God rules the entire universe, not that there is a different God for each solar system. However, based on what I understand (and it's been a while since I did any research on it), there is a chain of command; God rules but doesn't micromanage. Earth has a presiding being (a god, if you will) who rules with the power and authority of God (much like a "Mormon" Bishop or a Catholic Priest has authority over his ward or parish; not from any inherent authority, but because he acts in the name of someone who does). I can elaborate, if that didn't make sense. Richard Gant - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit my web page: Richard Gant's Gaming Ghetto Currently dedicated to In Nomine, Planescape, and Waste World - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 00:45:31 -0500 (CDT) From: "Derek K." Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN- A Disturbance in the Force On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, Benjamin Acosta wrote: - -= From: Whistling in the Dark - -=> - -=> At 1:32 AM -0400 9/17/99, JadePsion@aol.com wrote: - -=> >....and who decides what good and evil is. - -=> - -=> I do. - -=> - -=> I called dibs. - -= - -=Ok, that's fair. But I get to decide what cool and lame is. - -= - -=And I also call shotgun. - -= - -=I originally was going to call dibs on who lives and who dies, but I - -=believe that's the line editor's perogative. - -= - -=Ben, Elohite of Eli - -=Angel of Neat Ideas - -= Oooh! Can I be Really Cool People? Cheers, Derek K. Ofanite of Networks Habbalit of Spammers ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 01:04:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "Derek K." Subject: Re: IN> PREMIUM CABLE TV ....No Extra Charge On Sat, 18 Sep 1999, Walter Milliken wrote: - -=At 20:30 -0400 9/18/99, paranial@creighton.edu wrote: - -=>Beth, You gotta do something about these Spammers - -= - -=Dropping them in Sheol for a few millenia sounds about right.... - -= - -=Unfortunately, there aren't any easy fixes on the mailing lists. I guess - -=I'll have to dig through the Majordomo docs and see if there's something - -=clever we can do. Meanwhile, reporting them to their ISPs does some good, - -=at least. - -= - -= - -=---Walter - -= You can set the mailing list to only accept posts by email addresses contained in a certain file, and then point that file to the subscription list, so that only subscribed list members can send mail to the list. Right now that's not set up, but it's fairly easy to do. I dunno if the list as a whole would agree to this or not, but it's a pretty good fix for the most part. majordomo@io.com can set that up, or you can just pester me, and I will. Cheers, Derek K. Ofanite of Networks, in Service to the Illuminati. Hey, we can't all follow the Arch-angels. Habbalite of Sluggy, in Service to Bun-Bun. Ka-Click. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 01:14:40 -0400 From: Ben Aldred Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN- A Disturbance in the Force >Oooh! Can I be Really Cool People? > > only if I can be ansaphones Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 02:21:50 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Spam was [Great New Book Tells About Male Sexual Secrets] At 6:37 PM -0500 9/22/99, Trent wrote: > >Mabe if everyone would just prented there was no spam it would go away, >because surely some idiot is buying their stuff and causing them to continue >their evil enterprise. You miss the depths of the selfishness (Vapulan plots abound on the Net, and this is the most pervasive). A three or four hundred thousand person spam is considered successful if fifty people follow up. It's dirt cheap to spam. You can get away with a hundredth of a percent return, where that'd kill you in any kind of postage-paid setting. This to me is why Lucifer agreed to the Word Upgrade for the Demon of Spam. Here was a near-unlimited communications medium, chock full of near-free communication value, and (not that long ago) anyone who sent *any* commercial-oriented message was considered the scum of the Earth. All so very selfless. A few short years later, and we're all used to reams of the deepest pornographic, hate oriented, and get rich quick e-mail appearing in our mailboxes on a daily basis, and it costs the spammers next to nothing to do it, so that a tiny return on a massive mailing is considered a success. How very useful for demons.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:19:31 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: IN> [ADMIN] Stopping spammers At 2:04 -0400 9/23/99, Derek K. wrote: >You can set the mailing list to only accept posts by email addresses >contained in a certain file, and then point that file to the subscription >list, so that only subscribed list members can send mail to the list. >Right now that's not set up, but it's fairly easy to do. I dunno if the >list as a whole would agree to this or not, but it's a pretty good fix for >the most part. I believe the main problem with that is that some people post from variable addresses. I know I've had that problem with exclusive mailing lists in the past. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:31:47 EDT From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Questions galore . . . (Mormon Theology) In a message dated 9/23/99 4:09:10 AM, gantr@NKU.EDU writes: >I can elaborate, if that didn't make sense. > >Richard Gant The only thing that doesn't quite add up is who the God of the Old Testament is under that system (and whether YHWH, Elohim, Adonai, etc., are the same being in all cases). Is he the overgod, or is he a servant? In In Nomine terms, are we talking about Yves or God? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:15:14 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Ethereals and Essence At 18:38 -0400 9/22/99, Tim Groth wrote: > I've been looking in the Marches and In-Nomine and have yet to find >where it says how much essence ethereal things need to survive, or even >anywhere it mentions how essence is used to sustain the existance of an >ethereal. There are only mentions of how ethereals need essence to survive >(apparently beyond the 1 they regenerate each night). Am I missing >something in the books, or is it just something put out there as an idea >for GMs? I don't think there's anything more than that in the current books, though I think there may be some stuff in the forthcoming GMG on it. David? I believe some canon for that area has been discussed, at least. Unfortunately, I don't recall the details, offhand. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:17:26 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> cannon and your game (Fluffy) At 19:02 -0400 9/22/99, David Barr wrote: >Jus once, i would like to see Beth say, in effect, no, you cannot do >that. Not in canon, not even in your own game. No one has yet asked if they can summon the Demon Princess of Nitpicking. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:37:29 -0400 (EDT) From: gantr@NKU.EDU Subject: Re: IN> Questions galore . . . (Mormon Theology) On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 MarkDEddy@aol.com wrote: > >I can elaborate, if that didn't make sense. > > The only thing that doesn't quite add up is who the God of the Old Testament > is under that system (and whether YHWH, Elohim, Adonai, etc., are the same > being in all cases). Is he the overgod, or is he a servant? The God of the Old Testament (YHWH) is Jesus Christ (in Mormon theology). Essentially, a servant of God (although an *extremely* important one). > In In Nomine terms, are we talking about Yves or God? I'd never actually thought of it that way, but it makes sense. Yves isn't necessarilly God. He could "just" be someone with the authority to act in the name of God. (Except for that messy canon bit...) Richard Gant - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit my web page: Richard Gant's Gaming Ghetto Currently dedicated to In Nomine, Planescape, and Waste World - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:39:01 -0700 From: "Jace" Subject: Re: IN> Questions galore . . . +AD4- +AD4- I hate to interject reality into this but some religions theorize that +AD4- each +AD4- +AD4- solar system has it's own god. Their are a lot of other interesting +AD4- idea's +AD4- +AD4- from real religions, that could be transposed easily into IN. +AD4- Which ones specificaly? Not any of the christian or jewish or islamic +AD4- relegions. Mabe some +ACI-new age+ACI- religions but not any i've heard of. Though +AD4- i could belive the scientologists saying somthing like that. Let's just say that their are a lot of wonderfull religons from the east and west. I would hate for this group to break down into religous flame wars, And I really don't want to anger anyone. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:58:14 -0500 (CDT) From: paranial@creighton.edu Subject: IN> Submitted for you approval. A Malakite of Dreams is about to head for bed a little eraly.He seems somewhat pissed as through he had it up to here with something. After a few hours he wakes up. There is a sense of Accomplishment on his face. Suddenly there is a knock on his door. The Malakite opens it and see a young woman dressed in gery at his door. "I know how they annoyed you Joshua" Blandine says "but did you really have to kill all the Pokemon in the Marches" "Think of it this way, I caught them all" Bradley Paranial ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:30:30 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Questions galore . . . (Mormon Theology) At 10:31 AM -0400 9/23/99, MarkDEddy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 9/23/99 4:09:10 AM, gantr@NKU.EDU writes: > > >I can elaborate, if that didn't make sense. > > > >Richard Gant > >The only thing that doesn't quite add up is who the God of the Old Testament >is under that system (and whether YHWH, Elohim, Adonai, etc., are the same >being in all cases). Is he the overgod, or is he a servant? > >In In Nomine terms, are we talking about Yves or God? Canon Doubt and Uncertainty -- and how much of the Bible is accurate and how much isn't falls under the same heading. Which is another way of saying "Your milage may vary." - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | now with web site content! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 13:30:24 EDT From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Questions galore . . . (Mormon Theology) In a message dated 9/23/99 4:34:56 PM, in-sabre@annotations.com writes: >MarkDEddy@aol.com wrote: >>In In Nomine terms, are we talking about Yves or God? > >Canon Doubt and Uncertainty -- and how much of the Bible is accurate >and how much isn't falls under the same heading. > >Which is another way of saying "Your mileage may vary." > > OK. Let me explain where I'm coming from here. In my campaign, angels are all monotheistic. However, because of the 'Humanity is the most important thing' issue, that monotheism must be expressed in a theologically accurate way. It doesn't matter *whose* theology, but it has to be accurate to the standard theology of the group in question. I have a Qabbalistic Mercurian of Yves, a Roman Catholic Mercurian of Dominic, a Hindu Seraph of Eli, and a Mormon Malakite of Michael. This last character is the reason my interest was piqued. My understanding was that Adonai (a.k.a. Heavenly Father) was the physical father of Jesus Christ (who may or may not have been Yahweh of the old testament), and that *he* (Adonai) was the God of this solar system and that Jesus was his chief lieutenant. This led to the question of whether Yves was an aspect of Adonai or Jesus (driving the Destiny Qabbalist out of his gourd...). Now I'm discovering that it may not be that simple. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:51:20 -0500 From: "Trent" Subject: Re: IN> Questions galore . . . - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jace +ADw-mmc+AEA-cybcon.com+AD4- To: +ADw-in+AF8-nomine-l+AEA-lists.io.com+AD4- Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 10:39 AM Subject: Re: IN+AD4- Questions galore . . . +AD4- Let's just say that their are a lot of wonderfull religons from the east and +AD4- west. I would hate for this group to break down into religous flame wars, +AD4- And I really don't want to anger anyone. My intent was for edification not flameing. Appologies if I inatvertadly offended anyone. I was just courious about which relegions might have intresting information on running an IN Space game. I consider my self well informed about most relegions, but that was new to me. Trent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:20:03 EDT From: SdshowTim@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Submitted for you approval. YES! That is just hysterical. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1338 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1999 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.