From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Oct 4 10:09:05 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA00255 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:09:04 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id KAA30938 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:06:19 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:06:19 -0500 Message-Id: <200010041506.KAA30938@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1838 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, October 4 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1838 In this digest: Re: IN> Some New Servitor Attunements Re: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel Re: IN> Re: Celestial names IN> How would Lilith react? Re: IN> Re: Celestial names Re: IN> How would Lilith react? Re: IN> How would Lilith react? Re: IN> How would Lilith react? Re:IN> Re: Celestial names Re: IN> Updates (new stuff in the mix, too!) Re: Celestial names (was Re: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel) Re: IN> Re: Celestial names Re: IN> How would Lilith react? IN> Othniel, Jean, Vapula, Dominic, and Laurence Re: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel (I see that got your attention) Re: Celestial names (was Re: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel) Re: IN> Re: Celestial names Re: IN> How would Lilith react? Re: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel Re: IN> How would Lilith react? Re: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel (I see that got your attention) IN> "These go to 11." Re: IN> "These go to 11." IN> Morilim Re: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel (I see that got your attention) Re: IN> Morilim Re: IN> Othniel, Jean, Vapula, Dominic, and Laurence ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:20:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Some New Servitor Attunements Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 01:25:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Some New Servitor Attunements (completely, absolutely, unofficial) One question. The Mind the Thorns attunement says: "An attacker must make a Perception Roll at -4 or reconsider the attack. Celestials roll at +4." Does that mean Celestials roll Perception, or Perception+4? Celestials roll against their Perception with no modifiers. The original intent was mostly to handle human schoolyard bullies (12 year olds aren't too perceptive, after all); however, it proved useful in dealing with obnoxious drunks and petty officials as well. However, celestials tend to be better at recognizing bluffs... I'll have to remember to make it clearer. Thanks. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 10:29:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel > Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:14:09 +0100 > From: "Laurent" > Subject: Re: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel > >Hmmm, ideas... a bunch of Servitors of Time (the >players) decide to travel to some point in the >future (or are sent) for some reason (chasing some bad >guy, whatever). Say 10 years in the future, for >example. Maybe even less. When they get there, some >things have changed. First thing they notice is >the Armaggedon has taken place. Second thing is that >Hell won. A fate that might displease some _demons_ (read: your PCs), especially if their Superiors were on the wrong side of a purge during the year 4 A.A.: "Well, well, well. It's been a _while_ since we've seen Servitors of Gluttony or the War. Grizveck, are the rewards still standing?" "Yeah, boss. And Lord Saminga is paying even _more_ these days for unsullied Lilim. Shall I call his secretary?" After an encounter or two like this, your PCs should have no qualms about linking up with somebody, anybody, who'll aid them in shutting down this little nightmare. :) Morgan (FAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Enlightened Self-Interest ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:05:41 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Re: Celestial names In a message dated 10/3/00 12:04:06 PM Central Daylight Time, walshmp@dms.auburn.edu writes: << Celestial can't be spoken in the Corporeal plane, but I believe that Helltongue can. Perhaps this is why sorcerers can summon demons but not angels. >> No, Sorcerers can summon angels. The angel just doesn't have to answer. From what I remember, he has the choice of ignoring it or going and beating up the sorcerer. :) It has to do with the fact that angels are hooked up to the true Symphony. The Symphony drowns out some dinky little summon spell. Reverend Brian A. Rogers BillionSix@aol.com ICQ# 22544590 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:53:01 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> How would Lilith react? Hey my character is going to summon Lilith to try and bargain off some geas from a Lilim who is enslaved to Andre and hopefully some of another Lilim (which will probably open a whole can of worms unless he clears it with his Superior first). During the conversation though I think it's going to be brought up the nature of Lilith's word...which my character believes to be such (he's a bit of a loudmouth and his superior's a discussion type). "Milady forgive my interjection but freedom has always existed including before Lucifer's rebellion, thus it is a part of the Symphony. Technically if I would venture to guess your word is enforced Freedom by which it is the part of Freedom that depends on compulsion whether due to geas, fear, or habit." I was curious if I should avoid saying such out of politeness and to avoid my guy getting smoked for insolennce. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:26:59 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Re: Celestial names BillionSix@aol.com wrote: > No, Sorcerers can summon angels. The angel just doesn't have to answer. Not exactly true. No summoning works on angels. There is a _Song_ that can send out a celestial "page" to anyone, including angels, and the recipient can always choose to ignore it. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:29:29 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> How would Lilith react? Charles Phipps wrote: > I was curious if I should avoid saying such out of politeness and to avoid> my guy getting smoked for insolennce. If I were the GM, I'd roll a d666 to see if Lilith is amused, annoyed, or bored by some peon trying to debate the nature of her Word with her. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:21:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "There's no gravity, the world just sucks." Subject: Re: IN> How would Lilith react? > "Milady forgive my interjection but freedom has always existed including > before Lucifer's rebellion, thus it is a part of the Symphony. Technically > if I would venture to guess your word is enforced Freedom by which it is the > part of Freedom that depends on compulsion whether due to geas, fear, or > habit." > > I was curious if I should avoid saying such out of politeness and to avoid > my guy getting smoked for insolennce. Smoked for insolence? Naah. More likely the response would be "Well, you're free to your opinion... but you owe me for the time I spent listening to it. And my time is *very* valuable..." One of the many ways Lilith gets to abuse those poor naive angels with a Need to believe that if they could just get a moment to *talk* to her... Do not annoy Happy Fun Demon Princess. - --JT ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:02:21 -0700 From: Kris Overstreet Subject: Re: IN> How would Lilith react? At 04:53 PM 10/3/00 -0400, you wrote: >Hey my character is going to summon Lilith to try and bargain off some geas >from a Lilim who is enslaved to Andre and hopefully some of another Lilim >(which will probably open a whole can of worms unless he clears it with his >Superior first). During the conversation though I think it's going to be >brought up the nature of Lilith's word...which my character believes to be >such (he's a bit of a loudmouth and his superior's a discussion type). > >"Milady forgive my interjection but freedom has always existed including >before Lucifer's rebellion, thus it is a part of the Symphony. Technically >if I would venture to guess your word is enforced Freedom by which it is the >part of Freedom that depends on compulsion whether due to geas, fear, or >habit." > >I was curious if I should avoid saying such out of politeness and to avoid >my guy getting smoked for insolennce. Assuming that you even got Lilith to respond to you with that kind of attitude and request, my guess is the -best- you could expect is for the Geas you'll have to take to buy off these other Geasa to go -up- one level for such a STUPID crack. Geasa are generally voluntary, except for Lilim's creation-geasa. No matter how unfair the circumstances, hey, if you accepted the geas, well, you were free to refuse... Redneck Kris Overstreet, aka Redneck Gaijin publisher, White Lightning Prod. - www.wlpcomics.com I ***LOATHE*** Microsoft Outlook. Please get Eudora. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Oct 2000 22:21:05 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re:IN> Re: Celestial names On Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:31:26 +0100 Laurent wrote: >Jo > Might also be that a lot of these names are honorifics, or that the > >angel changed its name when it was assigned the Word. >Earl > I'd suppose that the names given are noms de guerre / de plume / de > >opera used among celestials on Earth. >Earl > In that case, it would be natural to adopt names reflecting the Word > >you serve. >So these wouldn't be the Celestials' real names, and therefore couldn't be >used for sorcery rituals, right? And would there be a definite list of names i'd say that an assumed name after attaining a word would supplement but not replace a True Name, but that's probably just me. hell, maybe the honorific *does* replace the former name, such that Michael cannot be summoned by whatever name he went by before he earned that title. >suitable for a specific Word? Would a fallen angel automatically change its >name from *-el to something else? IMG, it would depend on the demon--a Balseraph or Habbalite might keep its old name, depending on dementia. other demons vary based on their sense of humor in regards to the old name and their new status among the damned. >Earl > I'd suppose that we never see the REAL name of a celestial in its > >native tongue >Earl > What makes a name the "true" one? >If true names only exists in Celestial tongue, and sorcery rituals require >the real name of a Celestial, how do human sorcerers do? i'm not sure about angels, but demons can be summoned using their True Names, since Helltongue can be spoken on earth and learned by humans, iirc. as for angelic summonings, i'll leave that to someone with a better grasp of Kabballah and In Nomine canon. >Earl > Do celestials have "True Names" in the IN setting? >Earl > How about humans or ethereals? >I think it is canon that Celestial have true names that they keep secret. It that's what i remember too. >also says that humans' true names are their civil names, IIRC. Can't or the SSN plus the first, middle (if any) and last names (another reason to have a middle name, as well as nicknames, aliaii, and anything else to add to your name, because they all form the cohesive whole of a True Name, from what i remember of that kind of magic). >remember anything about ethereals, though... i don't recall anything printed thereon so far. it may be in the nebulous EPG, but i've no clue. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:43:27 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Updates (new stuff in the mix, too!) At 1:12 AM -0400 10/3/00, Rev. Pee Kitty wrote: >On Sun, 1 Oct 2000, Maurice Lane wrote: > >> http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/servitors/Bronwen.htm Malacricket. Hee! (I wonder what I started with Malacanaries, though...) BTW, Daisy is scary. Very very scary. What do they put in your _water_, Moe? And does it withstand bottling? - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:43:30 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: Celestial names (was Re: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel) At 11:00 AM -0500 10/3/00, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >Do celestials have "True Names" in the IN setting? Yes. >How about humans or ethereals? Well, something will count enough for Seraphim of Destiny -- otherwise, GM fiat. >What makes a name the "true" one? Primarily GM fiat. I would elaborateon possiblities, but am being kicked. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: 3 Oct 2000 22:30:57 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Celestial names On Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:05:41 EDT BillionSix@aol.com wrote: >No, Sorcerers can summon angels. The angel just doesn't have to answer. From >what I remember, he has the choice of ignoring it or going and beating up the >sorcerer. :) It has to do with the fact that angels are hooked up to the >true Symphony. The Symphony drowns out some dinky little summon spell. LOL yet another reason *not* to summon angels frivolously. i wonder how a sorcerer would go about such an invocation which did not result in holy smiting nor the equivelent of 'we're sorry, but the celestial you've dials is either busy or chooses not to answer.' probably entails loads of reverence... with the sorcerer in question being yanked out of any Infernal standing by this angel who recognizes someone fighting their Fate and striving for goodness. might be an interesting campaign: "Zhazka." "Yes, Lord of Entropy? "Why is it this measly human," Kronos conjures an orb displaying a sorcerer's face, "has recently gone missing from your charge?" or something like that.... ;) -=|horsefly|=- God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:53:15 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> How would Lilith react? At 4:53 PM -0400 10/3/00, Charles Phipps wrote: >Hey my character is going to summon Lilith [...] >I was curious if I should avoid saying such out of politeness and to avoid >my guy getting smoked for insolennce. Politeness is usually a good policy when dealing with Demon Princes. Lilith may be civilized (now), but she is never, ever, EVER to be considered "nice." IOW, if she gets annoyed by that, the smackdown may be immediate, it may be obvious, it may happen much later, it may be subtle -- but it _will_ happen, and any GM worth his or her salt will be sure to ensure that your character does NOT like it. Besides, consider the Aura of Power that most Superiors have. Would your character really get smartmouthed in the face of that? At 5:02 PM -0700 10/3/00, Kris Overstreet wrote: >Geasa are generally voluntary, except for Lilim's creation-geasa. Even them -- a Lilim can always choose to be unmade. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:34:53 +0000 From: Charles E Smith Subject: IN> Othniel, Jean, Vapula, Dominic, and Laurence Hi all! :) All this talk about Othniel, the Angel of Time, got me thinking. Othniel doesn't seem to like screwing around with time, but it was mentioned that Kronos also can move people through time. Now, I would think that Vapula would have an interest in such travel, considering that if he could find a way around the timelock problem, he could wreak all kinds of havoc in the past. Introducing the atomic bomb during the Crusades comes to mind, or maybe arranging for a young Angel of Lightning named Jean to get wiped out before he reached Archangelic status... By the same token, if Dominic were to become aware of Othniel's current abilities, I would think that the Angel of Time might acquire an honorguard of Divine Inquisitors, to investigate activities that may not be conducive to the Host...at least in Dominic's mind. I'd imagine that Laurence and Jean would have an interest as well. If Jean could get around the timelock barrier before Vapula, Laurence and the Order of the Eternal Sword would have the ultimate advantage in the War. Now, I'm going to go read Moe's write-up of Daisy, the Habbalite Princess..err...Archangel of Cheerfulness again and try not to dwell on the idea of what would happen if Vapula broke the timelock barrier and Daisy got sent back through time... Charles. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:02:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel (I see that got your attention) - --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > I don't even know who Othniel Marsh is. I was just perusing > a list of Old Testament names with "-el" and "-iah" and "-jah" > endings (the IN pages at SJGames.com give pointers to such things) > and ran across "Othniel" which was listed as meaning "Hour of God." > Time-travel is an interest of mine, so that struck me as a good > name for an Angel of Time. Othniel Marsh was a paleontologist -- one of the first great bonediggers, in fact. I just thought that the name of someone who studied ancient things would fit the Angel of Time. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "I wondered why somebody didn't do something. Then I realized that I was somebody." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:04:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: Celestial names (was Re: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel) You know, considering Heaven's opinion toward love, Gradiel might make a good name for an Angel of Love. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "I wondered why somebody didn't do something. Then I realized that I was somebody." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 17:08:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Re: Celestial names - --- Laurent wrote: > I think it is canon that Celestial have true names that they keep > secret. It > also says that humans' true names are their civil names, IIRC. Can't > remember anything about ethereals, though... Considering the power of names in several occult traditions (i.e. that knowing a true name gives one a measure of power over its owner), I'd expect that Ethereals don't give their true names lightly. Indeed, many of them are adept at going by aliases -- that's how one god is able to gather Essence from different groups of worshippers. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "I wondered why somebody didn't do something. Then I realized that I was somebody." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 22:45:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> How would Lilith react? On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Charles Phipps wrote: > Hey my character is going to summon Lilith to try and bargain off some geas > from a Lilim who is enslaved to Andre and hopefully some of another Lilim > (which will probably open a whole can of worms unless he clears it with his > Superior first). During the conversation though I think it's going to be > brought up the nature of Lilith's word...which my character believes to be > such (he's a bit of a loudmouth and his superior's a discussion type). Wait... you're going to try discussing or debating the nature of Lilith's word with her? To say that takes chutzpah would be putting it MILDLY... I'd prefer to say that you would need balls of pure titanium. > "Milady forgive my interjection but freedom has always existed including > before Lucifer's rebellion, thus it is a part of the Symphony. Technically > if I would venture to guess your word is enforced Freedom by which it is the > part of Freedom that depends on compulsion whether due to geas, fear, or > habit." > > I was curious if I should avoid saying such out of politeness and to avoid > my guy getting smoked for insolennce. Um... yes. IMC, you'd be damned lucky to walk away from that one with all your Forces. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Human germ!" -- Shrapnel (Decepticon), _Transformers: The Movie_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 21:25:15 -0500 From: Matt Trent Subject: Re: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel Earl Wajenberg wrote: > > Laurent wrote: > > > Then let the players decide wether they let it happen (the way > > history should be), or try to go back in the present and > > prevent it. > > You are, then, running a game with mutable history. Each to their > taste, of course. If I had celestial time-travelers encounter > an apparent loss of Armageddon, I would let them be stricken by > dread in the knowledge that time is immutable, and then throw > them some scrap of torturing hope, e.g. that what they saw was > just what Dispensationalists call "the Tribulation," a seven-year > period of time when Hell is ascendant on Earth, just before > Jesus comes riding down out of the Higher Heavens with the 144,000 > at his back. Here's what I've been inspired to do: Have the mysterious AA of Time (about as rumored about as the AA of Death, and perhaps a Grig) appear in front of the PCs while they're chilling and enjoying some down time. "In order to save all of Creation -- Past, Present, and Future -- *you* must go to the future and rescue the Laughing Price" She waves her arms and suddenly the PCs find themselves in a post-armageddon earth, except this isn't just any post-armageddon earth. This is Dark Victory*. If you're feeling nice drop 'm off in Austin. Oh, and the looks on their faces when they find out what they have to do! 8) It's enough to warm a GMs Heart. Matt Trent * Just in case you don't know... www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/seeds/DarkVictory/ and now I get to be evil and not have to go through the introductory steps. One minute standard IN the next Dark Victory! Bwah-ha-ha!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 22:42:56 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> How would Lilith react? >At 5:02 PM -0700 10/3/00, Kris Overstreet wrote: >>Geasa are generally voluntary, except for Lilim's creation-geasa. > >Even them -- a Lilim can always choose to be unmade. > > >--Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. >"She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." Hmmm... I had to ponder this thought that just ran through my head... I've been trying to figure whether this would make the action described above more worthwhile, less worthwhile, or just what... but I've decided to just put it out there and wait for comments. Morilim An *extremely* minor (species?) (Choir?) The Morilim don't serve any Prince or Archangel. They're free. In fact, they're Free. The Morilim don't have any place in Heavenly politics. Heavenly politics doesn't know about them. Neither does Hell. Neither do the ethereals. If they're a Choir, they're the quietest Choir that has ever existed. A Lilim can choose to be unmade, rather than to pay the Geases. Some of these choose so because of selfishness - they don't want to pay the price for what they have. Lilith assumes this is the reason any Daughter who thus chooses would give. Some Daughters, though, are flawed, at least by Lilith's standards. They refuse to serve Hell, because they feel, somewhere, that it is wrong. Martyrs in a sense of the word that humans or angels could never know, their sacrifice is immediate, total, and known only to themselves, their Mother, and God. At least, they think it's total. Lilith's ritual for creation of the Lilim is more powerful than even she knows. Never cursed with death, gifted with an immortal body surviving from the Eden experiment, and using a bit of that constantly-renewing life to create her Daughters, there is a component of their being which, all unnoticed once Lilith has summarily rent the Daughter's Forces, still survives. It is in a blind spot, an invisibility to almost the entire Symphony. Bereft, without form in a way that inhabitants of the Symphony can understand, God himself takes mercy on the soul who chose to die rather than serve evil. He creates a Morilite. Morilim are similar to Remnants. If any Archangel or Demon Prince had the chance to form an opinion on this issue, they would probably say that God gifts the newly-created Lilim with a Vessel, somehow unknown to her, awaiting her choice; and when she chooses to serve Hell, it is withdrawn. But if the Lilim suffers what she believes to be soul-death, serving neither Hell nor her own selfishness but a greater good, then upon the dissolution of her Celestial Forces(with just a moment of remaining coherence among Corporeal and Ethereal Forces, held together by Lilith's unique life force), she enters her new corporeal body with full knowledge of what she has become. Morilim register as Lilim Remnants to any detection, and this is what they will act when they believe there is a celestial about. Their species will continue to exist only as long as any Lilim choosing not to serve Hell does so with full belief that she is about to die celestially - this knowledge is part of their beings. That being is bound by two principles. First, Morilim must never be known. Indeed, on the few occasions when Morilim gather it is to Sing a Theme known to themselves only, a version of the Songs of Oblivion, which causes the level of even tangential or suspected knowledge about them in the Symphony to decrease. They know that somehow, if someone becomes aware of their species' existence, their nature will become more active. This Oblivion-like instinct erases the knowledge from the being's mind, and suspicions among their comrades as well. In return, the Morilite has a chance, specifically a 7 or less on 3d6, of forgetting who *she* is - she acts and remembers as would any Lilim Remnant, memories wiped permanently. The Morilim also do not know what happens when/if they die after this event, whether they disperse or arrive in the Upper Heavens, or something else entirely. They certainly haven't appeared in any known Realm. Second, Morilim serve the Word of Martyrs. This Word is undetectable to any perception, and what might happen if it were ever assigned to an angel is unknown. They might seek out the Word-bound and explain, but this in turn is foreign to their nature. Here is how it most directly is expressed: Resonance A Morilite using her Resonance is given a place and time, as well as an image of a dying human. They make their way there, remain hidden as best they can. Before the human's death, they appear before the dying mortal and whisper to them such words of comfort as they can provide. Using her Resonance again on the mortal, the Morilite learns what the human died for - - it was always for a specific cause, and often(not always) it seems right and good. The Morilite is then tasked with aiding that cause. She is free to choose when enough aid is enough. She is free to use her Resonance again at any time, to seek out a new target. She is even free to do neither. All choices are her own, even the guidance she receives from God only at her own request. Dissonance The Morilim must never intervene deliberately in an attempt to save the life of a human upon whom they have used their Resonance to locate the place, time, and manner of death - or even to change that place, time, or manner. They cannot Fall, but gain Discord. Morilim are a little nervous that they've never seen one of their sisters with more than a couple of levels of Discord - of course, they *are* rare, and highly motivated. Additional information A Morilite character begins play with a Vessel(of varying characteristics but usually female), a Role at level 4, and all equipment suitable for that Role. She is aware of the War and the Symphony, has full Essence Control and has all the other information given to a newborn Lilim. She will virtually never know any Songs other than their Morilim-restricted Theme(almost the only way she could obtain them would be to locate an unowned artifact and teach herself, or hang around another Celestial long enough to learn through imitation, and causing Song-level Disturbance usually doesn't seem wise to most of them), but will have numerous Role-related skills and often high levels of skills useful to avoid detection. A Morilim character will rarely appear in groups of more than one of them, and in a group of other characters she will necessarily be under deep cover and prepared to leave if it looks like her secret is going to be exposed. They often work alone, and might make a good single-player short game or NPC. William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 03:04:16 GMT From: "Daniel Gallagher" Subject: Re: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel (I see that got your attention) >Hmmm. The actual weight limit for the Corporeal Song >can be fiddled with, of course (I picked 200lb because >I wanted to cut down on casual transportation of >others via the Celestial Song, and wanted to use >pretty much the same tables for the Corporeal and >Celestial), but I'm curious why that particular >number. >:) Because fat people need to travel through time too. Daniel J Gallagher Archangel of Slackers "The world is... Um, pass the doritos." _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 20:27:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> "These go to 11." Gee, I thought I was going to be writing up tonight something about you-know-who and why she's less into New age beliefs than you might think: apparently, my subconscious had other plans. A bit odd: yes, I know I always say that, but I _mean_ it this time. :) Morgan (FAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Why, Yes, I WAS Listening to Melissa Ethelridge and Meatloaf CDs Tonight. How Did You Guess? Freddie Ofanite of Lightning Vassal of Trade Angel of Rock and Roll Corporeal Forces: 3 Strength: 6 Agility: 6 Ethereal Forces: 6 Intelligence: 12 Precision: 12 Celestial Forces: 5 Will: 10 Perception: 10 Suggested Word Forces: 9 Vessel: Human male/2, Charisma +1 Skills: Detect Lies/4, Electronics/5, Emote/2, Fast-Talk/2, Fighting/3, Knowledge (rock and roll history/4, music industry/4), Musical Instrument (guitar/6, drums/3), Ranged Weapon/3 (pistol), Savoir-Faire/4 Role: "F.R. Dobbson" (Record Producer/3, Status 4) Songs: Healing (Corporeal/2, Ethereal/2), Lightning (All/3), Motion (Corporeal/2, Ethereal/3, Celestial/2), Shields (Corporeal/3, Ethereal/1, Celestial/2) Attunements: Ofanite of Lightning, Mercurian of Lightning, Generator, Remote Control, Vassal of Trade, Angel of Rock and Roll Special Rites: Write a Rock and Roll and get some airplay; sign a band to its first record contract (2 Essence); perform a rock song in front of a crowd of at least 20 people. Sure, it may seem a little odd, but the guy did invent the electric guitar. He was up for a Word, Eli had checked out by then, and Freddie was a stone cold rock and roll fanatic anyway. The old stuff, the raw stuff: none of this glam and glitter for him. He's gotten drunk with Robert Johnson, borrowed money from B. B. King, and once kicked the crap out of Pat Boone: all in all, he was certainly qualified. Freddie was probably the only angel in Heaven that was actually even slightly happy to see Furfur become the Prince of Hardcore: the Word-friction resulting from a Demon Prince of Rock and Roll wouldn’t have been pretty. He's got enough troubles as it is: the Prince of the Media keeps wrecking the best bands, and these days rockers have all sorts of negative stereotypes associated with them. Laurence's little experiment with Christian rock groups didn't help matters, either. Still, the bands are out there, in a thousand garages and clubs, and they need somebody to keep an eye on them. Freddie isn’t too hung up on strict distinctions: the energy behind the music is what's important. His current Role as the head of a independent recording studio allows quite a few aspiring musicians to produce their albums without getting screwed, which is why he ranks higher with Marc's people than with Jean's. He'd switch Superiors, but then he'd probably get stuck in middle management. Jean gives him a free enough hand, probably because his company makes for good cover for Servitors of Lightning who may need to infiltrate Media-controlled turf. Rumors that loud guitar music occasionally comes out of Jean's inner sanctum have never been corroborated by reliable witnesses. Oh, yes; of course Freddie knows the ethereal King. Who do you think got the loa his car? ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 01:14:01 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> "These go to 11." - --On Tuesday, October 3, 2000 8:27 PM -0700 Maurice Lane wrote: > > Freddie > Ofanite of Lightning > Vassal of Trade > Angel of Rock and Roll > Not "Freddy Mercurian?" I'm vaugely surprised at you. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("I love to ride my bicycle.") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:47:30 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> Morilim Interesting group. Do they have any Celestial Forces? I would suppose so, since they can use a resonnance and celestial knowledge and perception. I am reminded of the legend of the Seventy Righteous Men (recorded in Jorge Luis Borges' "Book of Imaginary Beings" under the title "The Lamed Wufniks"), who are 70 holy people who justify the world before God. None of them knows the others, and they are known only to God Himself. If one learns that he is of the 70, he dies immediately and is replaced. Were it not for their intercession, God would destroy the world (which He is apparently not anxious to do, since He seems to go to such pains to keep the 70 afloat). Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:49:04 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel (I see that got your attention) Michael Walton wrote: > --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > > I don't even know who Othniel Marsh is. > Othniel Marsh was a paleontologist -- one of the first great > bonediggers, in fact. Oh! Marsh of Marsh & Cope, the great rival fossil-hunters. (Aside to the rest of the list -- They did things like highjack each other's trains full of fossils, to divert the shipment to their own museum back east. It's been called "The Bone Wars.") I just didn't know Marsh's first name. I *did* once give a time-traveling paleontologist a pair of tame triceratopses, used as draft animals, whom she named Marsh and Cope. Her name was Iris Eisley. She (and they) appear in "Time Riders" in the NPC gallery Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 14:56:17 GMT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Morilim >From: Earl Wajenberg >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com > >I am reminded of the legend of the Seventy Righteous Men >(recorded in Jorge Luis Borges' "Book of Imaginary Beings" >under the title "The Lamed Wufniks"), who are 70 holy people >who justify the world before God. 36, not 70. But otherwise, yes ;) It's an old chassidic legend, I've also heard them referred to as hidden saints. The idea is that even the lamed-vavnik himself might not realise that he was one of the righteous men for whom God would spare the world from being judged for its sins. (Similar to the Sodom/Gemorrah story in which Abraham failed to find 5 righteous men.) jo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:03:59 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Othniel, Jean, Vapula, Dominic, and Laurence Charles E Smith wrote: > All this talk about Othniel, the Angel of Time, got me thinking. > Othniel doesn't seem to like screwing around with time, but it > was mentioned that Kronos also can move people through time. > Now, I would think that Vapula would have an interest in such > travel, considering that if he could find a way around the > timelock problem, he could wreak all kinds of havoc in > the past. A very Vapulesque undertaking, yes. Using my own system of fixed history, I can see two ways for Vapula to proceed. The first way to try to "find a way around timelock" is for Vapula to believe that enough cleverness will somehow allow him to BREAK a timelock and really change the past. By hypothesis, he'll fail, but Othniel and his servitors will get lots of innocent amusement watching Vapulans trying to change the past using their master's latest Mark VI Probability Distorter or Reciprocating Time Warp Fluctuator or Causal Desynchronizer, etc. After the shrapnel cools off from THAT, Vapula may get serious, cozy up to Kronos, and start giving Othniel serious problems. On the tactical level, even fixed-history time travel allows for retroactively planted and planned ambushes, boobytraps, and resources. This is a lot like the "We'll remember to leave ourselves the keys" trick from "Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure" but can be made a little more realistic. E.g.: You're surrounded by Malakim. The solution is NOT "Let's survive this by having a squad of Calabim come charging around the corner. After the dust settles, we'll go back in time and arrange it." Instead, it's, "You! Vapulite! We'll hold them off while you descend back to Vapula's labs. Go back in time and arrange for backup to show right after you leave. And if you don't, be sure I'll hunt you down as soon as I get out of Trauma." This makes the causality less circular. On the strategic level, you can "get around timelock" not by breakage, but by guile. Balseraphs, not Calabim. For instance, go back to the 16th century and start a secret society of Hellsworn. Increase their power and preserve their secrecy with judicious bits of foreknowledge. Bring them out in the open any time after you go back to found them, though they can surely be plenty of use before that. You will find general temporal effects HELPING you to maintain secrecy, though they will also tend to hinder, by timelock, if you or the Hellsworn use the foreknowledge incorrectly. Furthermore, suppose you do this over and over. With enough work, all of history turns out to be a tapestry of secret societies and conspiracies, brokering the REAL power, while the War that most celestials know about is just so much window-dressing, and mundane history is only a film on that windowpane. Of course, Othniel has worked all this out ages ago... Earl ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1838 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.