From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Oct 4 22:18:45 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA25370 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:18:45 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id WAA31368 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:17:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:17:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200010050317.WAA31368@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1839 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, October 4 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1839 In this digest: Re: IN> Othniel, Jean, Vapula, Dominic, and Laurence Re: IN> Othniel, Jean, Vapula, Dominic, and Laurence IN> Silly Vaputech Names IN> Re: How would Lilith react? IN> How would Lilith react? IN> How would Lilith React? IN> The Word of Compassion Re: IN> The Word of Compassion Re: IN> The Word of Compassion Re: IN> "These go to 11." Re: IN> The Word of Compassion Re: IN> Re: Celestial names Re: IN> Updates (new stuff in the mix, too!) Re: IN> Re: How would Lilith react? Re: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel (I see that got your attention) Re: IN> Othniel, Jean, Vapula, Dominic, and Laurence Re: IN> How would Lilith react? Re: IN> The Word of Compassion Re: IN> Othniel, Jean, Vapula, Dominic, and Laurence Re: IN> Morilim Re: IN> Re: Celestial names Re: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel (I see that got your attention) Re: IN> The Word of Compassion Re: IN> Othniel, Jean, Vapula, Dominic, and Laurence Re: IN> Morilim Re: IN> How would Lilith react? Re: IN> Morilim Re: IN> Updates (new stuff in the mix, too!) Re: IN> The Word of Compassion Re: IN> The Word of Compassion Re: IN> The Word of Compassion ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:48:39 -0600 From: "ben" Subject: Re: IN> Othniel, Jean, Vapula, Dominic, and Laurence > Reciprocating Time Warp Fluctuator or Causal Desynchronizer, etc. I read that as Casual Desynchronizer, and realized I read it wrong. Then I realized that either way, I read it right. Good ole' Vapula. > Earl Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:05:20 +0100 From: "Laurent" Subject: Re: IN> Othniel, Jean, Vapula, Dominic, and Laurence > Reciprocating Time Warp Fluctuator or Causal Desynchronizer, etc. I like to throw Vaputech gadgets every now and then in my campaigns, and I'm usually happy with what I come up with, except for the names. My English not being the best, the names are usually pretty crap. And it impresses players so much more when you present them the latest "Reciprocating Time Warp Fluctuator" rather than just a "time machine"... Would anybody have some time to spare to come up with a short list of silly names for me*? I'd really appreciate it... Thanks a million, Laurent. *If you want to include a brief description of what the device could do, I won't complain. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:15:09 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> Silly Vaputech Names Laurent wrote: > Would anybody have some time to spare to come up with a short > list of silly names for me*? I'd really appreciate it... In the SF campaign that spawned "timelock," the end-all worstest ray-gun of all Time was the "deframmisizing disflorger." We got very cautious about using disflorgers after we discovered that organic targets blew up in explosions of superheated bloody steam. Currently, we have a couple of slightly wonky telepotation devices, dubbed "Transilience Driver" and "Telemporter." I don't know if those names are silly enough, but the Transilience Driver works a treat, though it gives all passengers splitting headaches, causes electronics to crash, and generates massive psionic noise (~Disturbance). James Schmidt, in "The Witches of Karres," introduced the Sheewash Drive, which left other hyperdrives in the dust and could be done by a pre-adolescent with some coat-hanger wire, so long as they knew the right spell (~Song). Oh, it DID leave you ravenously hungry, which would be a novel sensation for a celestial, and not one you'd care to inflict on most demons. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:22:43 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Re: How would Lilith react? >If I were the GM, I'd roll a d666 to see if Lilith is amused, annoyed, >or bored by some peon trying to debate the nature of her Word with her. Yes it's a curious little thing but the Seraph has absolutely no ability to know when to shut his trap when he has an opinion be it for good, evil, or the like. Given the Superior he works for this is rather discussion oreintated too it's not extremely bad...usually. Hehehe however I would just *LOVE* to see what would happen if an infernal or divine intervention would happen on a roll like that. Maybe 111-Lilith looks at him, raises her voice for a second then frowns thinking about it seriously. 666- Lilith notes that as her word and loses any pretext for it being a "neutral" word. I like the geas part though...that is very Lilith and very cute. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:28:40 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> How would Lilith react? >Politeness is usually a good policy when dealing with Demon Princes. >Lilith may be civilized (now), but she is never, ever, EVER to be >considered "nice." Well she is a DEMON princess and she is effectively trading in slavery of her "children" for a great deal. I personally am one to believe that all the stories about Lilith massacring babies and destroying towns (it's a Jewish Russian fable that Asmodeus once came to a town; messed with People's heads then married one of the local girls who turned out to be Lilith...and burned every baby to ash along with the city after their "wedding). I do believe that is the work mainly of her Lilim that gets misrepresented. However in my opinion her evil is just as subtle and not any less. Lilith I think is the sort of Demon who doesn't view herself as good but worse doesn't view herself as Evil either...instead she believes in neither (like Asmodeus) and simply wants to be left to her own devices. I believe she wants the same for the rest of the world (i.e. Discordia if your a fan of Illuminati) but that's secondary by the very nature of her geas. >IOW, if she gets annoyed by that, the smackdown may be immediate, it >may be obvious, it may happen much later, it may be subtle -- but >it _will_ happen, and any GM worth his or her salt will be sure to >ensure that your character does NOT like it. Indeed so. "Hell hath no fury like the big tall red head with the green eyes....scorned." >Besides, consider the Aura of Power that most Superiors have. Would >your character really get smartmouthed in the face of that? The problem would be it's not a smart off. It's an actual observation done out of concern which makes it more disturbing. Part of the problem with Seraphim and social interaction i think. I think he may be able to avoid it because of experience on Earth and that fact he's naturally polite but I've never shyed away from playing a character's personality even when it's to their deterient. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:31:58 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> How would Lilith React? >Wait... you're going to try discussing or debating the nature of Lilith's >word with her? To say that takes chutzpah would be putting it MILDLY... >I'd prefer to say that you would need balls of pure titanium. Hehehehehe. It's one of the facts I love/loathe about my character, he's completely devoid of the ability to bear a grudge but he's also unafraid (halfway I think because of the inability to percieve why he should be) of even soul-death in the face of letting untruths pass from his lips....needless to say he served Flowers for a long time. >Um... yes. IMC, you'd be damned lucky to walk away from that one with all >your Forces. Such is the price for knowledge :-) Oh well. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:34:02 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Word of Compassion Hey guys, need a bit of help here. Exactly how powerful would the angel possesing the Word of Compassion be? Any particular ideas what kind of attunement or attunements he might possess for having the word? Any ideas on his Superior? I'm kinduv needing help developing the angel of this and what he had to do to get it. Any help would be hot. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:09:53 -0600 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> The Word of Compassion >Hey guys, need a bit of help here. > >Exactly how powerful would the angel possesing the Word of Compassion be? >Any particular ideas what kind of attunement or attunements he might possess >for having the word? Any ideas on his Superior? Well Novalis is an obvious choice for the Superior. The power of the Word has to do with how cynical the GM is. - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:21:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Gant Subject: Re: IN> The Word of Compassion On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Tim Groth wrote: > >Exactly how powerful would the angel possesing the Word of Compassion be? > >Any particular ideas what kind of attunement or attunements he might possess > >for having the word? Any ideas on his Superior? > > Well Novalis is an obvious choice for the Superior. The power of the > Word has to do with how cynical the GM is. Dominic would be another good (if not obvious) choice. He already has the Angel of Mercy, and Compassion may fall under Mercy. Richard Gant - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Gant's Gaming Ghetto: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dunes/4656/ The Returners Final Fantasy Role-Playing Game Site: http://returners.simplenet.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:23:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> "These go to 11." Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 01:14:01 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> "These go to 11." > >> Freddie >> Ofanite of Lightning >> Vassal of Trade >> Angel of Rock and Roll > >Not "Freddy Mercurian?" I'm vaugely surprised at you. Funny. That was almost exactly what the sleazy-agent Media Soldier said, just before Freddie defenestrated him. Amazing how Hellsworn just keep expecting him to be unable to whack them upside the head: you'd think that they'd _talk_ to each other, or something. Or at least keep a dossier on him. :) >Marc. Just Marc. >Elohite Angel of Salvation >("I love to ride my bicycle.") OK, you got me on that one. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:23:30 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> The Word of Compassion Charles Phipps wrote: > Exactly how powerful would the angel possesing the Word of > Compassion be? Very. Once given that Word, an angel is on the fast track to Archangelhood, if it can survive Andrealphus, Malphus, and Kronos. Andrealphus will take it worst, since "Compassion" is the very part of his old word of Love that he lost when he fell and became Prince of Lust. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:28:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Re: Celestial names Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:05:41 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Re: Celestial names >No, Sorcerers can summon angels. The angel just >doesn't have to answer. From what I remember, he has >the choice of ignoring it or going and beating >up the sorcerer. :) Heh. You could deplete the ranks of sorcerers really fast that way: "accidentally" let slip a True Name and let them think that it's for a Mercurian of Flowers, when in reality it's for the seriously badass angel of your choice... ...or, if you really want to have fun, give them Gabriel's private number. It's not like those pre-Fall types True Names aren't available to the Other Side, anyway, and imagine the look on the poor slob's face when he finally _understands_ Lovecraft's little hint about not calling up what you can't put down...* ;) Moe *YMMV. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:36:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Updates (new stuff in the mix, too!) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 18:43:27 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Updates (new stuff in the mix, too!) >BTW, Daisy is scary. Very very scary. What do they >put in your _water_, Moe? And does it withstand >bottling? According to the voices in my head, the water's fine (well, fine for the East Coast. I get headaches in other parts of the country: not enough titanium): it's just that whenever I try to think about two or more things at once, the ideas collide ... then shamble from the grave like a composite Frankenstein's monster, then snare more helpless ideas in ways that would make the Blob green with envy*. When the pressure gets too big, I release them onto a computer screen and freak out the rest of you. Glad you liked it. I'm tempted to write up a Minor Choir for her, but I suspect that they'd have lifespans measurable in nanoseconds. :) Moe *Hmmm. Halloween _is_ coming up, isn't it? Where did I put my notes for that Pyramid article? :) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:31:36 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Re: How would Lilith react? At 12:22 PM -0400 10/4/00, Charles Phipps wrote: > >If I were the GM, I'd roll a d666 to see if Lilith is amused, annoyed, > >or bored by some peon trying to debate the nature of her Word with her. > > >Yes it's a curious little thing but the Seraph has absolutely no ability to >know when to shut his trap when he has an opinion be it for good, evil, or >the like. I assume this is a character trait you're referring to, not a general Seraphim's trait. >111-Lilith looks at him, raises her voice for a second then frowns thinking >about it seriously. > >666- Lilith notes that as her word and loses any pretext for it being a >"neutral" word. I would run a 111 somewhat like yours, but a 666 I would run as Lilith considering for a second, utterly rejecting it, and deciding that the impertinence warranted a Geas/6 for her time, with the Seraph getting no Will Roll whatsoever. But then, I'm *mean* with Infernal Interventions. And Divine ones, only on the other side. - -- I have a broken hand, so spelling errors, capitalization errors, and extremely slow response times should be treated as precious things, not errors, because I'm not about to correct them. Neener. Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:42:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel (I see that got your attention) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 03:04:16 GMT From: "Daniel Gallagher" Subject: Re: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel (I see that got your attention) >>Hmmm. The actual weight limit for the Corporeal Song >>can be fiddled with, of course (I picked 200lb >>because I wanted to cut down on casual >>transportation of others via the Celestial Song, and >>wanted to use pretty much the same tables for the >>Corporeal and Celestial), but I'm curious why that >>particular number. >>:) >Because fat people need to travel through time too. D'OH! Stupid me. I've used 200lb as generic manweight ever since Car Wars (150lb for human, 50lb for armor and gear). I'll have to amend that limit to "own person and X lb gear, or Y Essence per Z lb.". Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:50:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Othniel, Jean, Vapula, Dominic, and Laurence Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:34:53 +0000 From: Charles E Smith Subject: IN> Othniel, Jean, Vapula, Dominic, and Laurence Hi all! :) > All this talk about Othniel, the Angel of >Time, got me thinking. >Othniel doesn't seem to like screwing around with >time, but it was mentioned that Kronos also can move >people through time. Now, I would think that >Vapula would have an interest in such travel, >considering that if he could find a way around the >timelock problem, he could wreak all kinds of havoc in >the past. Introducing the atomic bomb during the >Crusades comes to mind, or maybe arranging for a >young Angel of Lightning named Jean to get wiped out >before he reached Archangelic status... Nasty. Of course, seeing as Vapula's a Habbalite, I could see him wanting to examine previous examples of Divine manifestations on earth, up close and personal (not to mention down to their component atoms). That could be interesting, especially if he actually _finds_ God in the process... >Now, I'm going to go read Moe's write-up of Daisy, >the Habbalite Princess..err...Archangel of >Cheerfulness again and try not to dwell on the idea >of what would happen if Vapula broke the timelock >barrier and Daisy got sent back through time... Bad things, man. Very bad things. I wrote her up to have at least the potential to be worse than Legion ever _dreamed_ of being: give her a free hand to infect the timeline, and the resulting carnage will make Dark Victory look like Candyland*. :) Moe *So, of course, you'll have to tell me how it goes. :) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:57:31 -0400 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: Re: IN> How would Lilith react? Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > Besides, consider the Aura of Power that most Superiors have. Would > your character really get smartmouthed in the face of that? These are *PCs* we're talking about. When was the last time you saw one act prudently, intelligently or cautiously? If you have Lilith show up, the odds approach unity that someone will crack wise about her being a quisling traitor to humanity who has aided in the degradation and torment of billions of her fellow humans. And then when she zots the PC out of existence, his or her player will give you a bewildered look and ask, "What'd I say?" - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:07:13 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> The Word of Compassion >Hey guys, need a bit of help here. > >Exactly how powerful would the angel possesing the Word of Compassion be? Depending on how long he's had his Word, anywhere from "Pretty powerful, obviously divine" to "Archangel." >Any particular ideas what kind of attunement or attunements he might possess >for having the word? Ever see "The Golden Child?" The Golden Child was literally the Buddha of Compassion, and he's got a few tricks. Forcing someone to feel compassion isn't angelic, but other things could work. For example, the Universe is generally a completely neutral, utterly law-abiding, nonpreferential entity: gravity works for everyone, angel, human, or demon, who is in corporeal form. What if his attunement might cause the Symphony to momentarily seem to care about someone - essentially providing random luck for the duration? He might be able to let a person know who in the world loves them or pities them - or that could be a Rite. Causing *yourself* to be compassionate towards someone might do such things as provide information about them you would otherwise not have known, or negate negative reaction modifiers should that become necessary. Animal friendship is certainly a plausible idea as well. >Any ideas on his Superior? >I'm kinduv needing help developing the angel of this and what he had to do >to get it. Any help would be hot. What he had to do to get it... beats me. It's an awfully powerful Word, would require a great deal. I'd say at least centuries of work or an international-level event. What if the Buddhists really did believe that this guy was in fact the Buddha of Compassion, in a different form? What's his reaction to servants with Dissonance and Discord? If he took compassion on them, to what degree? Enough to remove them with hardly more than a chastisement? That could lead to behavior problems down the line. Or does he treat his own servants much more prgamtically? >-Charlemagne William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:22:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Othniel, Jean, Vapula, Dominic, and Laurence Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:03:59 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Othniel, Jean, Vapula, Dominic, and Laurence >Furthermore, suppose you do this over and over. With >enough work, all of history turns out to be a >tapestry of secret societies and conspiracies, >brokering the REAL power, while the War that >most celestials know about is just so much window->dressing, and mundane history is only a film on that >windowpane. I was wondering when someone would come up with a plausable Illuminated In Nomine scenario. Perhaps you should consider a an article for Pyramid*? >Of course, Othniel has worked all this out ages ago... Making it the moth... fath... parent of all Secret Mast.. Mistr... oh, you know what I mean. :) Moegiel Kyriotate of Destiny in Service to Purity ("Hulk Sma... hey, where everybody go?") *Considering that I'm planning to write up my own time travel article, giving this advice may result in me shooting my own foot, but it's too good an idea to not plot out in full. :) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 19:11:14 +0100 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: Re: IN> Morilim >>From: Earl Wajenberg >>Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >>I am reminded of the legend of the Seventy Righteous Men >>(recorded in Jorge Luis Borges' "Book of Imaginary Beings" >>under the title "The Lamed Wufniks"), who are 70 holy people >>who justify the world before God. Curiously enough, the image I briefly had was that of the Little Mermaid, in the original Hans Andersen story -- where she deliberately chooses not to kill the Prince in order to save her life (the bargain which her sisters obtained for her from the sea-witch), wholly expecting to become the foam on the waves as dawn rises, and instead finds herself among the spirits of the air, and capable of winning a soul for herself by watching over children . . . - --- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:44:10 -0500 From: Uncle Wolf Subject: Re: IN> Re: Celestial names > Maurice Lane wrote: [snippage re: Sorcerors summoning angels] > ...or, if you really want to have fun, give them > Gabriel's private number. It's not like those > pre-Fall types True Names aren't available to the > Other Side, anyway, and imagine the look on the poor > slob's face when he finally _understands_ Lovecraft's > little hint about not calling up what you can't put > down...* > > ;) > > Moe > > *YMMV. You do realize that you are responsible for scaring my neighbors sh**less, don't you? I saw this and I laughed out LOUD! Given a Vincent Price-like laugh that scares all my friends and many long years of singing in choruses and in private, the volume was... excessive, shall we say? Which is to say, I enjoyed this idea massively. Thank you. More evil ideas for the GM. Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!! [ahem] take care and be well, all, Tom Timberlake, Cadre Cherub of Heaven - -- Choose being kind over being right. --seen on a sign, unattributed, author unknown ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:38:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Songs allowing Time Travel (I see that got your attention) - --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Michael Walton wrote: > > > --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > > > I don't even know who Othniel Marsh is. > > Othniel Marsh was a paleontologist -- one of the first great > > bonediggers, in fact. > > Oh! Marsh of Marsh & Cope, the great rival fossil-hunters. > (Aside to the rest of the list -- They did things like highjack > each other's trains full of fossils, to divert the shipment to > their own museum back east. It's been called "The Bone Wars.") There you are. Now, if you wanted to add Word-friction to spice up Othniel's (the angel) life, you could write up Copiel, the Demon of Time... ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "I wondered why somebody didn't do something. Then I realized that I was somebody." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:45:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Word of Compassion - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > Hey guys, need a bit of help here. > > Exactly how powerful would the angel possesing the Word of Compassion > be? Pretty powerful -- but, if western culture is any indication, fading fast. > Any particular ideas what kind of attunement or attunements he might > possess for having the word? Stuff for easing the pain of mortals is surefire (i.e. allowing an angel to play one or more Songs of Healing or Succor for no Essence cost). Something encouraging peace and calm is good, too. Any ideas on his Superior? Novalis or Zadkiel, definitely. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "I wondered why somebody didn't do something. Then I realized that I was somebody." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:02:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Othniel, Jean, Vapula, Dominic, and Laurence - --- Laurent wrote: > I like to throw Vaputech gadgets every now and then in my campaigns, > and I'm > usually happy with what I come up with, except for the names. My > English not > being the best, the names are usually pretty crap. And it impresses > players > so much more when you present them the latest "Reciprocating Time > Warp > Fluctuator" rather than just a "time machine"... > > Would anybody have some time to spare to come up with a short list of > silly > names for me*? I'd really appreciate it... Try these, O devious one. };> Temporal Capacitor Normal capacitors store electricity. Temporal capacitors store _time_. One simply leaves the device somewhere where it won't be disturbed for a while and comes back for it later. Once a TC is incorparated into one of the devices below, it's stored time can be harnessed for a variety of effects. Geriatronic Projector As the name implies, this device (usually in the form of a rifle) causes the target to age. Alas, it has no effect on Celestials or Ethereals. Chronotransitor A limited version of time machine that only allows travel one way -- into the future. Metaccelerator This dangerous gadget gives the user more time in which to perform tasks (granting extra actions in combat and stuff like that). However, it doesn't allow the user to bypass physical constraints like gravity, inertia, friction or solid objects. I didn't provide game mechanics for any of the above because... well, I'm at the library using their computer to check e-mail (hope my computer gets fixed soon... grumble, grumble)! Feel free to come up with your own mechanics for these. Post 'em on the list, too -- I'd love to see what you come up with. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "I wondered why somebody didn't do something. Then I realized that I was somebody." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:55:39 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Morilim >Interesting group. Do they have any Celestial Forces? >I would suppose so, since they can use a resonnance and >celestial knowledge and perception. I've checked everywhere I can, and resonances and Symphonic Awareness don't seem to specifically require Celestial Forces. In fact, the main book I have specifically says that Remnants may use Corporeal and Ethereal Songs, and Attunements, Rites, and Distinctions(not that a Morilite would have any of these). Of course, even *having* a Celestial Force would point a Morilite out as not being a Lilim Remnant, so I'm inclined to say no. I could say that it's somehow invisible to perception, but there's enough weirdness already floating around this bunch, I'd rather keep it as clean as possible. So, to put numbers on it in the G:IN system: Start with the Remnant template(w/Role): 37 points Delete the following traits: Absent-Mindedness 15 Weak Will 40 Taboo Trait: Awareness 0 Add the following traits: Awareness(Symphony) 15 2 to 8 levels Corporeal or Ethereal Power Investiture (at least one each)(= "Forces") 20 to 80 points Cannot Fall 5 Role +4(= "Role/4") 20 Morilite Resonance 5 Morilite Dissonance -9 points Morilite Code of Honor(never reveal existence, may be linked to great danger) -10 Morilite Song(Secrecy of the Species(Theme)) 2 points(virtually no game use) The total cost to be a Morilite in GURPS: In Nomine is 140 to 200 points, in the range of a recorporealized Saint(at the low end) or a mummy(high end). In a typical campaign, the GM might drop the Corporeal and Ethereal Power and provide provide the character with 150 points to buy everything else like skills, including at least one level of Power in each realm. In regular IN it's all much simpler. Make a Morilim character, choose a number of Forces, and then adjust the regular characterization points by a bit to reflect how many Forces were chosen, five being average. >I am reminded of the legend of the Seventy Righteous Men >(recorded in Jorge Luis Borges' "Book of Imaginary Beings" >under the title "The Lamed Wufniks"), who are 70 holy people >who justify the world before God. None of them knows the >others, and they are known only to God Himself. If one learns >that he is of the 70, he dies immediately and is replaced. >Were it not for their intercession, God would destroy the world >(which He is apparently not anxious to do, since He seems to go >to such pains to keep the 70 afloat). ... Typical chassidic legend. Really makes your brain go "Urk - Hmm..." and then get philosophical. >Earl William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:01:02 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> How would Lilith react? At 12:28 PM -0400 10/4/00, Charles Phipps wrote: >"Hell hath no fury like the big tall red head with the green >eyes....scorned." (IMC, she's more often short, lightly tanned, and with black hair that has copper highlights when the sun catches it. But green eyes, yes. Always green eyes. And it always makes people uneasy looking at her, because they WANT to remember a six-foot-plus amazon and every time they actually notice how tall she is... she's _short_.) >>Besides, consider the Aura of Power that most Superiors have. Would >>your character really get smartmouthed in the face of that? > >The problem would be it's not a smart off. It's an actual observation done >out of concern which makes it more disturbing. Part of the problem with >Seraphim and social interaction i think. Well, if he's trying to be serious about it, she might -- depending on the GM's inclination and any reaction rolls -- pat the poor fool on the head, suggest that if he wants to discuss it, her time is valuable, and go on. But were I GM, you'd better do the best job of desperately concerned sincerity in the world... I mean, how many times has she heard such things from angels? There's gotta be a hot button there. At 1:57 PM -0400 10/4/00, Krishnaswami, Neel wrote: >Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> >> Besides, consider the Aura of Power that most Superiors have. Would >> your character really get smartmouthed in the face of that? > >These are *PCs* we're talking about. When was the last time you saw >one act prudently, intelligently or cautiously? Urm..... Does hiding under the seat in cat form while the Ofanite is having a car race with a Balseraph of Theft and The Demon Cop Car count? (Actually, that character once sat out an entire game because the _sensible_ thing for her was to stay at the bar and work on her waitress Role. The other characters went and apprehended the sorcerer.) How about when the entire group hid in the secret passages and watched Hamet, Amanda, and whatshisname the Revelation Mercurian have their confrontation before we popped out and stole the dagger? (For that matter, calling in an airstrike instead of trying to stop the party (a Divine Intervention got us there early in the timeline) was pretty sensible, right?) >If you have Lilith >show up, the odds approach unity that someone will crack wise about >her being a quisling traitor to humanity who has aided in the >degradation and torment of billions of her fellow humans. Hmmmmm.... Sounds like a good house rule might be "Roll Will to even _think_ about speaking in the presence of a Superior." >And then when she zots the PC out of existence, his or her player will >give you a bewildered look and ask, "What'd I say?" Fortunately, I generally play with more sensible players.... O:> I _think_ they'd be sensible. Mostly. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:00:58 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Morilim At 5:55 PM -0400 10/4/00, William J. Keith wrote: >>Interesting group. Do they have any Celestial Forces? >>I would suppose so, since they can use a resonnance and >>celestial knowledge and perception. > >I've checked everywhere I can, and resonances and Symphonic Awareness don't >seem to specifically require Celestial Forces. Eh? Bah. Errata time, very likely... But implicit on p. GIN17, regarding Remnants. (GIN Symphonic Awareness can't require CelForces because Soldiers don't _get_ CelPower Investiture in GIN, generally. So I'll have to bundle it into resonances.) There. I have submitted errata. (Here it is: p. 17: add "any resonance" to the list of taboo traits for Remnants. p. 32: To the last sentence of the Resonance description, add, "and have a prerequisite of Power Investiture (Celestial).") > In fact, the main book I >have specifically says that Remnants may use Corporeal and Ethereal Songs, >and Attunements, Rites, and Distinctions(not that a Morilite would have any >of these). Save those which require Perception or Will to activate. (In plain IN, Perception and Will are characteristics governed by Celestial Forces; a Remnant, having no Celestial Forces, is Perception and Will 0, and therefore has no chance of success with resonance.) >Of course, even *having* a Celestial Force would point a >Morilite out as not being a Lilim Remnant, so I'm inclined to say no. Note, though, to come at this from another angle (if not angel...) that in plain IN, _all_ humans have Celestial Forces -- so you can still give them that, and draw upon something akin to the Game's Humanity Servitor Attunement (p. GIN111 ) for their "invisibility". - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 20:01:00 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Updates (new stuff in the mix, too!) At 10:36 AM -0700 10/4/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >From: Elizabeth McCoy > >>BTW, Daisy is scary. Very very scary. What do they >>put in your _water_, Moe? And does it withstand >>bottling? > >According to the voices in my head, the water's fine >(well, fine for the East Coast. I get headaches in >other parts of the country: not enough titanium): Hrm... Must contemplate this... >Glad you liked it. I'm tempted to write up a Minor >Choir for her, but I suspect that they'd have >lifespans measurable in nanoseconds. :) Not if you give them something like the Seraph of Flowers Choir Attunement... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:50:35 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> The Word of Compassion Michael Walton wrote: > Pretty powerful -- but, if western culture is any indication, fading > fast. In what universe? Human rights and charitable works are at an all-time high. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 21:07:21 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> The Word of Compassion At 2:07 PM -0400 10/4/00, William J. Keith wrote: > >Hey guys, need a bit of help here. >> >>Exactly how powerful would the angel possesing the Word of Compassion be? > >Depending on how long he's had his Word, anywhere from "Pretty powerful, >obviously divine" to "Archangel." Oh, never say obviously divine. It's never *obviously* divine. I'm tempted to see if someone wants to do another Iron Chef In Nomine challenge, on the theme ingrediant "Demon of Compassion...." - -- I have a broken hand, so spelling errors, capitalization errors, and extremely slow response times should be treated as precious things, not errors, because I'm not about to correct them. Neener. Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:19:58 -0400 From: Ben Pollack Subject: Re: IN> The Word of Compassion >>>Exactly how powerful would the angel possesing the Word of Compassion be? >> >>Depending on how long he's had his Word, anywhere from "Pretty powerful, >>obviously divine" to "Archangel." > >Oh, never say obviously divine. It's never *obviously* divine. For reasons clear to a few people on this list, I am herein reminded of the opening verse of the Leonard Cohen tune, 'Closing Time': "Oh, we're drinkin' and we're dancin' And the place is really happenin' And the Johnny Walker Wisdom's running high. And my very sweet companion, She's the Angel of Compassion, She's rubbing half the world against her thigh..." So, yeah, I could see a Fallen Angel of Compassion, surely. Ben ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1839 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.