From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Oct 8 18:19:09 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA07387 for ; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:19:09 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id SAA13861 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:16:58 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 18:16:58 -0500 Message-Id: <200010082316.SAA13861@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1843 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, October 8 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1843 In this digest: Re: IN> Ethereals and Divine Religions Re: IN> Lying and the Angelic Tongue IN> PBEM?? IN> Crusade Re: IN> PBEM?? IN> S4's Character Sheets! Re: IN> S4's Character Sheets! Re: IN> Questions that may not be Frequent Re:IN> Lying and the Angelic Tongue IN> Using Tarot cards for Resonance Re: IN> Using Tarot cards for Resonance IN> More on The New Crusade Re: IN> More on The New Crusade Re: IN> Using Tarot cards for Resonance Re: IN> Crusade IN> Crusade Add-on Re: IN> More on The New Crusade Re: IN> Crusade Add-on IN> "So, you say you want a revo-LUT-ion...." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:31:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Ethereals and Divine Religions > > Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 14:39:06 -0400 > From: Whistling in the Dark > > Subject: Re: IN> Ethereals and Divine Religions > > At 10:48 AM -0700 10/5/00, Maurice Lane wrote: > > > >Honestly, can Heaven really ban those ethereal > spirits > >that have embraced an official 'divine religion', > and > >not end up hypocrites? > > The potential Hypocracy of Heaven seems like one of > the subthemes of > the whole game, though.... True. Of course, there's a whole bunch of IN subthemes that I ignore in favor of others, anyway. :) > >Granted, those types of faiths > >don't create ethereals, > > Voudoun and the Hindus both do. True, but aren't they both special cases? I should have been clearer and specified Abrahamic/monistic faiths. My apologies. Morgan (SAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Voudon can be the IN writer's friend, if used right. You can justify practically _anything_ by saying the magical word 'modern loa'. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 15:46:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Lying and the Angelic Tongue Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 17:56:09 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Lying and the Angelic Tongue >>Is it impossible to utter willful falsehoods in the >>Angelic Tongue or is it impossible to utter >>factually incorrect but believed statements? >Willful falsehoods. If the latter were true, angels >could sit around in Heaven and do a sort of binary >search for the Truth, even if they didn't know it. >^) > Hmm, I wonder if Vapula know >yet about Jean's Local Symphonic Stabilizer. *clear >throat* "Vapula knows about Jean's Symphonic St.. >St..." Oh, good, I'll try again. "Vapula does not >know about Jean's Local Symphonic Stabilizer by that >name, or that Jean has successfully created such a >device." Ah, that's a relief. Whoever's doing Jean for the extended writeup, please note: the above would make a kickass Higher Distinction or Servitor Attunement (although the latter would have to be the beta test version), suitably modified for play balance. Well done.* :) Morgan (SAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of raising one's eyebrow** *Granted, you probably weren't trying to suggest a HD or SA, but well done anyway. :) **You know, a Servitor of Dark Humor might actually _have_ that one. ;) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:25:49 -0700 From: "Tim MacPherson" Subject: IN> PBEM?? Hi all Is anyone running an In Nomine game by PBEM,WebRPG or IRC that I could get into? I have seen the WW one...is that any good or is it just a writing exercise? Tim timac@home.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 16:34:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Crusade Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 00:48:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Crusade (With all the connotations that it implies for a celestial) On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Maurice Lane wrote: >> "Enough is enough. By God Almighty, enough is >>enough." > I do like it. It's a seed that's >been touched on before, but the manifesto is >wonderfully written. Stop making me blush. :) >This seed would be wonderful combined with David's >"Tyger, Tyger" seed about Gabriel falling. Gabriel is >going mad, and a vast number of angels have decided >that this is the way to fix things.... I've read David's seed, of course, and it's damn good (also, of course): however, I'm going to be aiming for a more hidden movement to take down Belial, at least in the early stages. Complete with at least one Superior who's covertly aiding the entire thing...* Morgan (SAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Having A Nice Day *And no, I'm not saying who just yet. I'm still fiddling with the idea. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 19:39:47 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> PBEM?? Tim MacPherson wrote: > Is anyone running an In Nomine game by PBEM,WebRPG or IRC that I could get> into? I Check out http://www.rp-gamers.com and look for the "When Angels Cry" forum. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 23:18:17 -0500 From: "Tafka J." Subject: IN> S4's Character Sheets! Once again, your prolific Character Sheet generator (why do I do it? I dunno, it's fun to have something you can download and use for your games) has finished work on the lastest batch of Character Sheets. Until the In Nomine Web-Monkey (Talking Monkey?) can upload them to the official site, you may snag 'em from here: http://www.thrifty.net/~tafkaj/in-nomine/csheets/. As always, you'll need a copy of Adobe Acrobat Reader 3.0 or higher to view them. (You want the .pdf files, the .gif's are more of those pretty thumbnails) (BTW, for those authors and artists responsible for S4 -- Good work folks, keep it up!) Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = tafkaj@thrifty.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 00:51:18 -0500 From: "Tafka J." Subject: Re: IN> S4's Character Sheets! At 11:18 PM -0500 10/07/00, Tafka J. wrote: > Until the In Nomine Web-Monkey (Talking Monkey?) can upload them to the > official site Kudoes to EDG for a fast response time! They're now available directly from the Official SJGames Website: http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/charsheets/infer.html Thanks, EDG! Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = tafkaj@thrifty.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 02:49:18 -0500 From: "Tafka J." Subject: Re: IN> Questions that may not be Frequent At 5:13 PM -0400 10/05/00, ydobyns@princeton.edu wrote: > 1. Kyriotate/Shedim resonance, and Dissonance. I see a Murphy's Rule in this somewhere. > 2. Gabriel's Smite attunement. Look at the Errata, and the revision in Superiors 3. The damage done is (and always has been I assume) the Angel's Celestial Forces times the Essence Spent. Assuming the Avarage Angel, then the minimum amount of damage is 3 and the maximum would be 27. Smite is a nice attunement, but I've found the Malakite Attunement, when paired with Numinous Corpus Claws, to be much more effective. Not to mention would cause some en-vesseled demons to learn what it means to lose control of their bowels/bladder. Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = tafkaj@thrifty.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur ------------------------------ Date: 8 Oct 2000 07:57:42 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re:IN> Lying and the Angelic Tongue On Sat, 7 Oct 2000 13:52:53 -0600 Tim Groth wrote: >Is it impossible to utter willful falsehoods in the Angelic Tongue or >is it impossible to utter factually incorrect but believed statements? from memory, the former is impossible in Heaven, while the latter is still plausible--everyone, no matter how powerful, makes mistakes (except God, depending on brightness, contrast, and how often He intervenes directly). -=|horsefly|=- God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 09:16:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas J Howell Subject: IN> Using Tarot cards for Resonance I've recently been reading Tafka J.'s "Falling Stars" logs (which are very good, BTW), and noticed that Tarot cards are sometimes used in Malakite (and perhaps others, as well?) resonance rolls. What's the scoop on this? Is there any particular rhyme or reason to it besides using traditional meanings for the cards? Just wondering on a Sunday morning, TJ Howell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:56:46 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Using Tarot cards for Resonance From: "Thomas J Howell" > > I've recently been reading Tafka J.'s "Falling Stars" logs (which > are very good, BTW), and noticed that Tarot cards are sometimes > used in Malakite (and perhaps others, as well?) resonance rolls. > > What's the scoop on this? Is there any particular rhyme or reason > to it besides using traditional meanings for the cards? The short version is that it's easier to determine honorable and dishonorable acts for random NPCs on the fly that way. I'll let Tafka give you the long reason. ;;;) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 10:05:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> More on The New Crusade What the heck, it's a weekend. It's always slow around here on weekends anyway. BTW, I haven't included notes on how PCs can get involved yet because I'd like to hear of odd ways to rope them in ... I mean, "get them involved". :) As always, hope you enjoy. Any suggestions would be really, really helpful: this is still in "first draft" stage. Moe The New Crusade This group is currently the topic for hot debate within the Host. They are comprised of an unknown number of angels, Saints and Soldiers who have decided (for whatever reason) that the Seraphim Council can not be counted on to save Gabriel from her ongoing madness. Thus, they must take matters into their own hands. Not quite a terrorist group, but certainly not condoned, the New Crusade has sympathizers and hidden assets everywhere: it's even rumored that a major Archangel secretly heads the organization. Whether or not this is true, the Crusade certainly seems to have access to a lot of resources. Goal and Strategy The goal is the eventual destruction of Belial, Demon Prince of Fire. At the moment, the current strategy seems to be to eliminate as much of his earthly infrastructure as possible, while simultaneously enlisting at least the tacit aid of the rest of the Host. Once Infernal Fire is crippled on the corporeal plane, Belial will have two, equally unpleasant options: the first would be to abandon Earth and stay in Sheol (which would cause his personal power and reputation to plummet, not to mention cripple his hold on the Word of Fire). The second option would be to spend more time on the corporeal plane, attempting to promote Infernal Fire directly. If this happens (and it is deemed the more likely scenario), the combined forces of the New Crusade will gather and attack Belial directly. Normally, a mere angel would have no chance against a Superior. A thousand or so, attacking with no hope of survival and with nothing held back … that might just be a different story. Most of the inner circle (see below) has reportedly come to the conclusion that their lives are worth Belial's, and will calmly throw theirs away if it means causing the Demon of Fire damage. Even if they do not succeed in killing him outright, the disturbance should be enough for Gabriel herself to take notice (and no doubt the Crusade has a method of insuring this), and investigate personally. This match, between an Archangel fueled with rage and frustration, and a Demon Prince battered and wounded from a thousand cuts, should be quite interesting to see, albeit quite short. Organization The New Crusade is only a semi-legal organization: advocating the death of Belial is hardly a crime in Heaven, but the Council does not look kindly on groups that have publicly declared that they will not submit to higher authorities on this matter. As a result, there are two levels to the Crusade. The outer group consists of celestials and mortals that are known to sympathetic to the Crusade's aims, but have not been known to commit any acts of rebellion against the Council. They work within the system, trying to promote attacks on known Servitors and Tethers of Infernal Fire. More than a few are no doubt full Crusaders, but short of hauling everyone in and interrogating them to a fare-thee-well, there's no way to determine precisely who. The other Archangels have so far, prevented Dominic from doing exactly that: after all, no one can trust the Inquisition to restrain their interrogations to issues involving the New Crusade. The amount of persecution inflicted on known sympathizers to the Crusade's aims vary by Superior: Servitors of War or the Wind aren't really affected at all, while those of the Sword had best keep a low profile (and Dominic cracks down heavily on possible fellow-travelers within his ranks). The inner circle is much more shadowy. They keep themselves well hidden (the Inquisition has been trying to track them down for years, without success), but are presumed to be high up in their respective hierarchies. Part of the inner circle seems to act as an source for resources and information: they will appropriate data, artifacts, and equipment for their own use, and funnel them down to Crusaders working in the corporeal plane. The Crusade apparently collectively believes that, because their cause is right, that any surplus resources out there are fair game. On Earth (and to a lesser extent, the Marches), full agents of the New Crusade wage a quiet war against Infernal Fire. Attempting to crack down on these assaults are complicated by the fact that Belial's organization is, in point of fact, a legitimate target: most angels know someone that they suspect to have ties to the Crusade, but they don't have any proof (and often, less inclination to find any). Many full agents don't even know who their benefactors are; they just know that, at certain places and at certain times, equipment, information and orders appear. So far, the Inquisition has not yet been able to backtrack and thus discover the ringleaders of the Crusade. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:24:23 -0600 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> More on The New Crusade I like it. I also think it would be great if Furfur was helping to funnel resources and information to it to get back at his old master. It would have to be done very subtly of course, but considering the structure of the New Crusade it wouldn't be hard for the young DP to give them some aid. - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 13:17:30 -0500 From: "Tafka J." Subject: Re: IN> Using Tarot cards for Resonance At 9:16 AM -0400 10/08/00, Thomas J Howell wrote: > I've recently been reading Tafka J.'s "Falling Stars" logs (which > are very good, BTW), Thank you. > and noticed that Tarot cards are sometimes used in Malakite (and perhaps > others, as well?) resonance rolls. > What's the scoop on this? Tarot cards allow one to come up with an infinite number of combinations of different emotions, motivations and any other random bits of information that the Angelic Resonances seem to snoop out. So, instead of having the GM scratching his head everytime the PC's resonate on every J. Random NPC, he (or she) can quickly come up with the answers in a pinch. Of course it helps that I refuse to allow Mercurian's in my game -- Talk about a Resonance Nightmare. I usually draw a number of cards equal to the number of Noble or Ignoble acts. Then I take the results and try to fit them into the NPC's mindset. > Is there any particular rhyme or reason to it besides using traditional > meanings for the cards? Traditional meanings, plus sometimes the picture on the card can help motivate the course of actions (I use the Sacred Rose Tarot Deck for my gaming, since it's very pretty. . . Especially some of the Sword Cards). Though, it still takes me some time to get used to those meanings. . . I figure it'll take you a while until you figure out what those cards mean on the fly. At 10:56 AM -0500 10/08/00, Prodigal wrote: > The short version is that it's easier to determine honorable and > dishonorable acts for random NPCs on the fly that way. I'll let [Tafka J.] > give you the long reason. ;;;) Heh-heh-heh. Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = tafkaj@thrifty.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur ------------------------------ Date: 8 Oct 2000 11:14:05 -0700 From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Crusade On Sat, 07 October 2000, Maurice Lane wrote: > I've read David's seed, of course, and it's damn good > (also, of course): however, I'm going to be aiming for > a more hidden movement to take down Belial, at least > in the early stages. Complete with at least one > Superior who's covertly aiding the entire thing...* > > *And no, I'm not saying who just yet. I'm still > fiddling with the idea. My initial inclination is to say Michael. However, this is Moe we're talking about, so I must think twisted... Blandine. The prophetic nature of Fire dovetails with Dreams well, and it is the nature of Dreams to act subtly. And Blandine knows far too well what it is like to fight a lonely battle, knows the sting of betrayal from a trusted friend.... - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 11:19:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Crusade Add-on Oh yes, I forgot to bring up relationship between Gabriel's Servitors and the New Crusade. Short version: there isn't one, officially or unofficially. The NC wants to keep them completely out of the loop (esp. the Oriflamme), on the off chance that the Crusade is shut down before it can take out Belial: this way, there's at least a backup organization of fellow travellers in place Apparently, it's working: even Dominic isn't investigating the Gabrielite radicals (any more than usual, that is) for links to the NC. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 14:26:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas J Howell Subject: Re: IN> More on The New Crusade Neat idea! I think it'd be pretty easy to get PCs involved ( and I suppose it depends if you want the Crusade to be a Good Thing or a Bad Thing). It might be fun to have a story where the PCs are forced to go against other angels. Perhaps Crusaders, by launching an attack against a Belial stronghold, are diverting troops or resources from strategically more vital sites. Of course, it is also a great way to get mixed groups going. Belial's got lots of enemies... TJ Howell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 14:28:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas J Howell Subject: Re: IN> Crusade Add-on On Sun, 8 Oct 2000, Maurice Lane wrote: > Oh yes, I forgot to bring up relationship between > Gabriel's Servitors and the New Crusade. > > Short version: there isn't one, officially or > unofficially. The NC wants to keep them completely > out of the loop (esp. the Oriflamme), on the off > chance that the Crusade is shut down before it can > take out Belial: this way, there's at least a backup > organization of fellow travellers in place > Who's to say that Gabrielites don't have plans of their own? Might make for some interesting conflicts. TJ Howell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 16:16:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> "So, you say you want a revo-LUT-ion...." The idea for these two started well, but there's two ways I could have gone with it, and I seemed to have picked both at once: Columbia, Bright Lilim Angel of Revolution http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/servitors/Columbia.htm and Genevieve, Free Lilim Demon of Revolutions http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/servitors/Genevieve.htm I like having both wandering around: I just don't know which tone is better. Any opinions regarding this would be greatly appreciated. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1843 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.