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in_nomine-digest     Wednesday, October 11 2000     Volume 01 : Number 1846



In this digest:

   Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful.
   Re: IN> Zarahiel, the Would-be Angel of Ice
   Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful.
   Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful.
   Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful.
   IN> This is not my fault.  This is not my fault. This is not my fault.
   Re: IN> Good News
   Re: IN> This is not my fault.  This is not my fault. This is not my fault.
   Re: IN> This is not my fault.  This is not my fault. This is not my fault.
   Re: IN> Yipe!
   Re: IN> This is not my fault.  This is not my fault. This is not my fault.
   Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful.
   IN> A Morning At The Office
   IN> Re: Compassion
   Re: IN> This is an odd one, even for me.
   Re: IN> Good News
   IN> "Whaddya mean, I can't have monocrys?" (Take two...)
   Re: IN> This is not my fault.  This is not my fault. This is not my fault.
   Re: IN> timetravel/vap and eli side note
   Re: IN> This is not my fault.  This is not my fault. This is not my fault.
   Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful.
   IN> Transformation & Glamour
   Re: IN> Transformation & Glamour
   Re: IN> This is not my fault.  This is not my fault. This is not my fault.
   Re: IN> This is not my fault.  This is not my fault. This is not  my fault.
   Re: IN> This is not my fault.  This is not my fault. This is not  my fault.
   Re: IN> This is not my fault. This is not my fault. This is not my fault. 
   Re: IN> This is not my fault. This is not my fault. This is not my fault. 
   Re: IN> This is not my fault. This is not my fault. This is not my fault.
   Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful.
   Re: IN> Transformation & Glamour
   Re: IN> Transformation & Glamour
   Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful.
   Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful.
   IN> New Numinous Corpus
   Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful.
   Re: IN> Transformation & Glamour
   Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful.
   Re: IN> New Numinous Corpus

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:11:45 -0500
From: "Prodigal" <prodigal@ticnet.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful.

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Maurice Lane" <moelane_1999@yahoo.com>
To: <in_nomine-l@lists.io.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 7:18 PM
Subject: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful.


> Hey, has anybody done or seen an IN Bestiary yet?
> 
> I, err, ummm ... need the stats for a cow.

Corporeal Forces: 3
     Strength: 9
     Agility: 3

Ethereal Forces: 1
     Intelligence: 2
     Precision: 2

Celestial Forces: 1
     Will: 2
     Perception: 2

Skills: 
     Chew Cud: 6
     Stampede: 2

(It's a slow evening, so...)

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:01:14 -0400
From: "William J. Keith" <wjk150@email.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: IN> Zarahiel, the Would-be Angel of Ice

Zar is...

...an impressively multi-purpose character/storyline/boss.  Well done.

I'd love to play this campaign(everybody focus real hard and spend just 1
little Essence on a combined effort to make my current gaming group realize
how great IN is), and if I did, I think the character I'd like to play is
Zar's Destiny buddy.

"Cold!  Cold!  Zar, you're melting your own Song!"

"I swear, Zar, hairless.  Just one more flame jet at one of your ice
statues, and hairless."

"Numinous Corpus: Ice.  You've got the Word now, I bet you can hear this
chord somewhere in the Symphony.  (Well.  Assuming it exists.)  It'll be
good practice.  Slow down, do some meditation, listen carefully.  Or, you
know, give some young angel your Attunement and let them do it.  Gotta
learn to delegate, right?"

(Off the top of my head, I expect Numinous Corpus: Ice might provide
increased Protection, slow mobility, and permit the performer to produce
solid tools like a blade or spear in their hand.  See?  The ideas are
spilling out already.  :^))

William

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:22:41 -0500
From: EDG <edg@sjgames.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful.

At 08:11 PM 10/10/00, you wrote:
>Celestial Forces: 1
>      Will: 2
>      Perception: 2

A cow has as much Will and Perception as your average human?  Man, you 
don't think much of us, do you?

^_^

Actually, maybe a Bestiary should be part of the INC?  Thoughts?

- -EDG
  rediscovering his allergy to dust tonight

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:37:41 -0500
From: "Prodigal" <prodigal@ticnet.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful.

From: "EDG" <edg@sjgames.com>


> At 08:11 PM 10/10/00, you wrote:
> >Celestial Forces: 1
> >      Will: 2
> >      Perception: 2
> 
> A cow has as much Will and Perception as your average human? 

They can be at least as stubborn as humans, after all... ;;;)

> Man, you don't think much of us, do you?

No, but that was reflected by the *Intelligence* of 2. };p

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:44:04 -0500
From: "Erich S. Arendall" <sprite@insync.net>
Subject: Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful.

From: "Prodigal" <prodigal@ticnet.com>
RE: IN:Cows
> No, but that was reflected by the *Intelligence* of 2. };p

Do cows get the easier skill rules as detailed out in the Corporeal Players
Guide? If so my next mortal character will be a brahma bull! :)

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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:16:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Maurice Lane <moelane_1999@yahoo.com>
Subject: IN> This is not my fault.  This is not my fault. This is not my fault.

I swear, as God as my witness, that I did not come up
with this originally.  My dear, sweet girlfriend has
been waiting for three days to drop this one into my
head, simply to listen over the phone as the idea
grinds its way into my head like one of those bugs
from Star Trek II.

I _SWEAR_.

:)

Moe


Kermit T. Frog
Ethereal Spirit (YOU!  Yes, you!  Put down that
flaming sword RIGHT NOW!  Show some respect, for
crying out loud.  What, do you think Christopher's
going to _thank_ you for eviscerating a Muppet?)

Corporeal Forces: 1	Strength: 2	Agility: 2
Ethereal Forces: 2	Intelligence: 4	Precision: 4
Celestial Forces: 4	Will: 12	Perception: 4

Vessel:  anthropomorphic frog/1, Charisma +3

Skills:  Emote/1, Singing/3

Songs: Daydreams/3, Dreams (all/1), Forgetting
(Celestial/3), Form (Celestial/2), Harmony
(Ethereal/2), Laughter (Celestial/3)

It's not easy, being ("WHACK! OWW!")

Right, what I _meant_ to say was being an ethereal
stuck on earth, with no way to get back home, is no
bed of roses.  Kermit was quite happy in the Far
Marches: he's got enough Essence coming in from kids,
science fiction fans and role-players that he's not
destabilizing any time soon.

Alas, the Sorcerers that called him forth and bound
him to this plane weren't interested in such details. 
Before anyone goes nuts, they weren't trying to summon
Kermit: it was just luck of the draw.  They probably
would have put him back, too, if it weren't for the
twenty Soldiers of War that showed up about then. 
Kermit managed to run away (_you_ try shooting a
Muppet in the back.  You would?  Yeah, right, you're a
big tough guy: you'd shoot out his spine and wipe up
the blood with Beaker's head.  Pardon my snort of
laughter), but he's been stuck on the streets ever
since.  He keeps to the shadows, of course: what he's
seen of mortals so far doesn't exactly encourage him
to ask a random passerby to tell him how to get to
("WHACK! WHACK! OWW! OWW!")

Fine, fine, he's not ready to ask directions.  Now,
the appearance of a Muppet at a Sorcerer's circle
raised some eyebrows among the Host, but ruthless
interrogation essentially cleared Kermit of any
wrongdoing.  Seeing as the forces of Flowers,
Children, Dreams and Stone (why the last, we're not
sure.  You want to go ask them in public?) have
collectively put their foot down, the Host is trying
to capture him, rather than destroy him.  

Unfortunately, Kermit doesn't believe that (Heaven
doesn't exactly have the best reputation among
ethereals); he's also not inclined to make a deal with
Hell.  He just wants to go home.

So these days, in the alleys of a nameless city, a
skinny little walking frog in a trenchcoat is
wandering along.  Because he's a swell frog, whenever
he sees a problem that he could help with, he helps. 
But he keeps wandering, because he never knows when
he'll be able to find a rare Ethereal Tether.

And some day he'll find it, that rainbow ("SMITE!
SMITE! SMITE!  OWW! OWW! OWW! CUT IT OUT…")


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Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:12:48 -0400
From: Whistling in the Dark <in-sabre@annotations.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Good News

At 7:36 PM -0500 10/10/00, Andrew Hackard wrote:
>At 11:13 AM 10/10/00 -0400, Elizabeth McCoy wrote:
>>(I've skimmed the annotations. The thing is (for you Pyramidians out there
>>who will understand the ref) practically a Suppressed Transmissions for
>>holidays...)
>
>As the one who *proofread* the annotations, I have to agree.  Y'all 
>have no idea what weird Web sites I ended up visiting in the quest 
>for accuracy.
>
>BTW, those of you who have been asking for prints of the Ramon Perez 
>splash pages from the Superiors books are going to be VERY happy 
>when this calendar comes out...

Four Superiors books.

Four Superiors per book, save 4, which has 5.

Seventeen Splash Pages.

12 Months in a year.

Color Alaemon is out of the question, isn't it? <wg>
- -- 
I have a broken hand, so spelling errors, capitalization errors, and 
extremely slow response times should be treated as precious things, 
not errors, because I'm not about to correct them. Neener.

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<http://www.annotations.com/~innomine>
Habbalite of Belaboring the Point

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:26:49 -0500
From: "Erich S. Arendall" <sprite@insync.net>
Subject: Re: IN> This is not my fault.  This is not my fault. This is not my fault.

RE: Kermit the Ethereal

Thank you Moe. This one goes into the folder to throw at players when
they're getting too serious. :)

- -Erich S. Arendall
www.impudite.com
Touched by an Impudite
Version 2. Still charming and still touching.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:38:40 -0400
From: Whistling in the Dark <in-sabre@annotations.com>
Subject: Re: IN> This is not my fault.  This is not my fault. This is not my fault.

Bless you, Moe, for you are twisty-bread.
- -- 
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extremely slow response times should be treated as precious things, 
not errors, because I'm not about to correct them. Neener.

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<http://www.annotations.com/~innomine>
Habbalite of Belaboring the Point

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:05:11 -0500
From: "Tafka J." <tafkaj@thrifty.net>
Subject: Re: IN> Yipe!

At 10:04 PM -0700 10/09/00, Maurice Lane wrote:
> Don't know if the previous message posted.  Short
> version:  New Crusade stuff up, it's at
>
> http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/newcrusade.html
>
> and I hope you all enjoy. Even if you disagree with
> one particular portrayal. :)

   You're sick, wrong and evil Morgan.  _EVIL_.   Capital E, Vil!

   We like that.

   Carry on.  I'm certain your time will come. . .

Be seeing you,

- - Tafka J.
= tafkaj@thrifty.net
# Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:55:05 +1000
From: "Shane Curtis" <sabriel@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: IN> This is not my fault.  This is not my fault. This is not my fault.

On 10 Oct 2000, 20:16, Maurice Lane wrote:
> Kermit T. Frog
> Ethereal Spirit (YOU!  Yes, you!  Put down that
...
> And some day he'll find it, that rainbow ("SMITE!
> SMITE! SMITE!  OWW! OWW! OWW! CUT IT OUT…")

ROTCLMWO!!!* Bless you and your girlfriend, Moe! :)

You do realise the rest of the Muppets, once they figure out he's missing 
and where he's gone, will probably try to come to Earth to rescue Kermit, 
right? (mad giggle)

*C(louds) and W(ings)

Shane.
(cackles as he thinks of his macho players being told they have to keep 
humanity from discovering the Muppets while helping find Kermit - and 
speaking of SMITE!, they can't just whack the spirits this time...:p)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:53:43 GMT
From: "Jo Hart" <j_hart@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful.

>From: Matt Trent <mtrent@bigfoot.com>
>Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com
>To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com
>Subject: Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful.
>Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:37:13 -0500
>
>ben wrote:
> >
> > > Hey, has anybody done or seen an IN Bestiary yet?
> > >
> > > I, err, ummm ... need the stats for a cow.
> >

If I were writing the rules for statting animals, I would probably say that 
animals tend to have numbers of forces which reflect how close they are to 
human on the evolutionary scale (the idea being that in IN at least, humans 
are sort of made in God's image so ought to sit at the top of the animal 
kingdom in some sense), but that how those forces actually reflect into 
stats can vary.

So a large animal like an elephant might have 4 forces (2/1/1), but because 
it's x times larger than a human corporeally, each corporeal force will be 
worth x times it would be for a human. Whereas ethereal and celestial animal 
forces won't translate into many stats at all.


The only good alternative I can think of is to give all animals very low 
stats, but allow them a role as said animal with a level of 6, to be added 
to all appropriate roll.

So you can stat your elephant at (2/1/1) and give it a role of elephant/6, 
which it can add to any tasks that elephants ought to be good at. (This will 
still result in it probably being too intelligent compared to a human, 
because even the stupidest human is likely to be more intelligent than a 
clever elephant.)




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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:51:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: "O. S. Kerr" <ochre24@yahoo.com>
Subject: IN> A Morning At The Office

Yikes!  Wow!  Zowie!

Destiny in cahoots with Creation to kick demonic buttocks!

Whoo hoo!

<faces east, bows down to the Moelane>

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 02:20:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Maurice Lane <moelane_1999@yahoo.com>
Subject: IN> Re: Compassion

Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 00:05:13 -0400
From: Jonathan Walton
<Jonathan.Walton@oberlin.edu>Subject: IN> Re:
Compassion

>Either way, I think going with a Buddhist angel would
>be undoubtably more interesting.  It would be
>something the players wouldn't be expecting and 
>could lead to all sorts of other things.

On a somewhat related note, an IN campaign run through
a Buddhist mindset (or as close as you could get)
would be really interesting. Or maybe Taoism...  :)

Moe

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 07:35:34 -0400
From: "Andrew Stoner" <anstoner@bostonren.edisonproject.com>
Subject: Re: IN> This is an odd one, even for me.

> Two All-beef Patties
>   For 1 Essence, the demon can attune to a cow as per the Djinn
> Resonance.  He can then track that cow and its parts no matter what
> happens to it.  This means that the demon can identify anyone who has
> eaten a steak or hamburger that was made of meat from the attuned cow.

Yeah, sounds reasonable, if a BIT overpowered.  I mean, he can effectively
have a bit of attunement to what...  assume a 1000 pound steer, 60%
effectiveness and 1 lb of steak per meal (which is way more than I can eat)
thats able to track 600 people.  For a short period of time, until the
protein ingested gets removed from the system... but...  But that's just
how my players would try to run things (bloody biochem majors...)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 08:06:03 -0400
From: Elizabeth McCoy <emccoy@nh.ultranet.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Good News

At 7:36 PM -0500 10/10/00, Andrew Hackard wrote:
>BTW, those of you who have been asking for prints of the Ramon Perez 
>splash pages from the Superiors books are going to be VERY happy when 
>this calendar comes out...

<beth in fangirl mode>
Did we get Gabriel? Yves? Huh? Huh?
</bifgm>


- --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos.
"She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which."

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 05:56:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: Maurice Lane <moelane_1999@yahoo.com>
Subject: IN> "Whaddya mean, I can't have monocrys?" (Take two...)

That'll teach me to post a question on the weekend. 
:)

Anyway, I need more examples of armor, and I haven't
found any (admittedly, it's not my highest priority,
but there's a artifact waiting on it).  If you know of
any site that would have something of this sort, feel
free to let me know.  :)

Moe





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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:45:03 -0500
From: Earl Wajenberg <earlw@mc.com>
Subject: Re: IN> This is not my fault.  This is not my fault. This is not my fault.

Maurice Lane wrote:

> Unfortunately, Kermit doesn't believe that (Heaven
> doesn't exactly have the best reputation among
> ethereals); he's also not inclined to make a deal with
> Hell.  He just wants to go home.

Unless he's already hopped up Jacob's Ladder, Heaven should 
get the late Jim Henson to act as mediator.  He's still probably 
comparing notes with Charles Schultz, somewhere in Christopher's 
cathedral.

Earl

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 09:51:43 -0500
From: Earl Wajenberg <earlw@mc.com>
Subject: Re: IN> timetravel/vap and eli side note

Michael Walton wrote:

> Canon never comes out and says how God originated (and 
> probably never will).

That would be smart.  In all the monotheistic theologies, 
it's pretty clear-cut: God *HAS* no origin.  (This is why, 
in the "Book of the New Sun" (and GURPS New Sun), God is 
referred to as the Increate -- the uncreated.)  Classical 
theology, when listing the attributes of God, usually includes 
His lack of origin, under names such as "everlasting," 
"self-existent," "aseity," or "necessity."  The ontological 
argument even proposes to explain how this works.

Earl

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:31:38 -0500
From: Earl Wajenberg <earlw@mc.com>
Subject: Re: IN> This is not my fault.  This is not my fault. This is not my fault.

Of course, you KNOW that the other Muppets will come looking 
for him, and then somebody is sure to end up on the wrong end 
of a porky little karate chop.

Earl

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:32:58 -0400
From: Marc Bowden <ryumo@merit.edu>
Subject: Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful.

- --On Tuesday, October 10, 2000 20:44 -0500 "Erich S. Arendall" 
<sprite@insync.net> wrote:

> From: "Prodigal" <prodigal@ticnet.com>
> RE: IN:Cows
>> No, but that was reflected by the *Intelligence* of 2. };p
>
> Do cows get the easier skill rules as detailed out in the Corporeal
> Players Guide? If so my next mortal character will be a brahma bull!
> :)
>

  The easier skill rules are nicely offset by the somewhat 
limited...er..."career options."

Marc. Just Marc.
Elohite Angel of Salvation
("Special orders don't upset us.")

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:41:55 -0500
From: Earl Wajenberg <earlw@mc.com>
Subject: IN> Transformation & Glamour

Two staples of fantasy are transformations and glamour.
What does In Nomine provide here?  The Song of Form only 
lasts 6 minutes, max, and the Numina Corpi are a very limited 
selection, and likewise brief.

Earl

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:45:15 EDT
From: BillionSix@aol.com
Subject: Re: IN> Transformation & Glamour

In a message dated 10/11/00 9:44:38 AM Central Daylight Time, earlw@mc.com 
writes:

<< Two staples of fantasy are transformations and glamour.
 What does In Nomine provide here?  The Song of Form only 
 lasts 6 minutes, max, and the Numina Corpi are a very limited 
 selection, and likewise brief. >>


I never liked that myself.

Reverend Brian A. Rogers
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ICQ# 22544590

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:52:47 -0400
From: Elizabeth McCoy <emccoy@nh.ultranet.com>
Subject: Re: IN> This is not my fault.  This is not my fault. This is not my fault.

At 8:16 PM -0700 10/10/00, Maurice Lane wrote:
>I swear, as God as my witness, that I did not come up
>with this originally.  My dear, sweet girlfriend has
>been waiting for three days to drop this one into my
>head, simply to listen over the phone as the idea
>grinds its way into my head like one of those bugs
>from Star Trek II.

<laugh> Your girlfriend is evil. Propose to her before
she gets away? O;>

>Kermit T. Frog

At 4:55 PM +1000 10/11/00, Shane Curtis wrote:
>You do realise the rest of the Muppets, once they figure out he's missing 
>and where he's gone, will probably try to come to Earth to rescue Kermit, 
>right? (mad giggle)

Why am I flashing on the rescue of Big Bird here? Why? Why? Why?

Why am I imagining Cookie Monster and Haagenti staring each other down?

Help.

Help.

Help.


- --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com  In Nomine Line Editor
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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:47:31 -0400
From: Whistling in the Dark <in-sabre@annotations.com>
Subject: Re: IN> This is not my fault.  This is not my fault. This is not  my fault.

At 11:52 AM -0400 10/11/00, Elizabeth McCoy wrote:
>
>
>Why am I imagining Cookie Monster and Haagenti staring each other down?

Furfur.

Animal.

Drum solo.

This image is out of my head, and into yours. Ta.
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I have a broken hand, so spelling errors, capitalization errors, and 
extremely slow response times should be treated as precious things, 
not errors, because I'm not about to correct them. Neener.

Eric Alfred Burns - <in-sabre@annotations.com>
<http://www.annotations.com/~innomine>
Habbalite of Belaboring the Point

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:16:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Twila Oxley Price <top@ams.org>
Subject: Re: IN> This is not my fault.  This is not my fault. This is not  my fault.

Eric wrote --

Furfur.

Animal.

Drum solo.

This image is out of my head, and into yours. Ta.
- --

What I can't get out of my head is Gonzo deciding that he wants to be
a Laurencian and tagging along after Laurence with a big shiny sword
in his hands.... Or the Swedish chef "mork mork morking" at Jordi....
Or. Oh lord. Doctor whatzis and Beaker. Jean. Vapula. Oh lord... The
Muppet campaign. 

What a *brilliantly* nasty thing to run on one's players. Heh. 

Twila (who needed a cheering up... 'coz her Dad ascended to the higher
heavens this am...)

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:30:52 EDT
From: Galen Silversmith <silversm@intouchsys.com>
Subject: Re: IN> This is not my fault. This is not my fault. This is not my fault. 

> Return-Path: top@ams.org
> What I can't get out of my head is Gonzo deciding that he wants to be
> a Laurencian and tagging along after Laurence with a big shiny sword
> in his hands.... Or the Swedish chef "mork mork morking" at Jordi....
> Or. Oh lord. Doctor whatzis and Beaker. Jean. Vapula. Oh lord... The
> Muppet campaign. 

AaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAaaaaa
aAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAA
AAAAAAAAAAAaaaaAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!

*ahem*

> What a *brilliantly* nasty thing to run on one's players. Heh. 

Thats it.  In Nomine:Toon, with Muppet PCs.  I just need a con to run this
at (preferably with people I will never have to explain myself too, again).

(Maybe Kermit and Fozzy WERE twins, until the fall and one became Malakim....)

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:38:31 -0600
From: "ben" <ben@zianet.com>
Subject: Re: IN> This is not my fault. This is not my fault. This is not my fault. 

> > What I can't get out of my head is Gonzo deciding that he wants to be
> > a Laurencian and tagging along after Laurence with a big shiny sword
> > in his hands.... Or the Swedish chef "mork mork morking" at Jordi....
> > Or. Oh lord. Doctor whatzis and Beaker. Jean. Vapula. Oh lord... The
> > Muppet campaign.

You could have a host of doe-eyed, sighing Lilim following Kermit around
when he sings, "It's not easy being green."

Awesome.

Ben

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:41:15 -0500
From: Earl Wajenberg <earlw@mc.com>
Subject: Re: IN> This is not my fault. This is not my fault. This is not my fault.

ben wrote:

> You could have a host of doe-eyed, sighing Lilim following Kermit 
> around when he sings, "It's not easy being green."

(Delivered in a raspy falsetto by something round and pink):
"Hands off, Greenie-Groupies! He's MINE!  Hayyyyyy*YA*!"


Earl

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:13:11 -0500
From: David Edelstein <amadan@amadan.org>
Subject: Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful.

Prodigal wrote:
> Corporeal Forces: 3
>      Strength: 9
>      Agility: 3

Your cow is more agile than most humans!

> Ethereal Forces: 1
>      Intelligence: 2
>      Precision: 2

And just as smart!

> Celestial Forces: 1
>      Will: 2
>      Perception: 2

Is this a Vapulan supercow? Sheesh!

Cows should have 2 Corporeal Forces. No ethereal, no celestial. Very few
animals will have Ethereal or Celestial Forces.

- -David

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:12:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: ydobyns@princeton.edu
Subject: Re: IN> Transformation & Glamour

On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Earl Wajenberg wrote:

> Two staples of fantasy are transformations and glamour.
> What does In Nomine provide here?  The Song of Form only 
> lasts 6 minutes, max, and the Numina Corpi are a very limited 
> selection, and likewise brief.

Most Numini Corpi last CD hours, as I recall -- which, while "brief" by
most standards, makes them among the longest-lasting Songs. 

(The big exception being Wings. Is there anyone on the list who can
explain *why* the designers and/or playtesters thought it necessary for
Wings to have 1/60 the duration of most other NC Songs?)

Also, unless I'm misremembering, the duration of Celestial Song of Form is
CDxCelForces, which means it's not *quite* as bad as Earl says -- 36
minutes, rather than 6. 

But in general, I've found myself annoyed by the remarkably short duration
of most Songs, especially given the commentary in various other places
(regarding Songs' *effects*) along the lines of "This is a divine miracle,
so don't be chintzy." A celestial can easily burn a week's worth of
Essence in an hour's worth of not-terribly-impressive supernatural
activity. And a long-term impersonation, like Tomas' in Night Music,
is *impossible* using the standard resources -- the scenario writers had
to resort to the plot device of a "modified" Song of Form. Seems to me it
would have been a lot easier to give Songs reasonable durations in the
first place.

As long as I'm asking questions about Song durations: why the *general*
trend for ridiculously short durations on Songs? For combat-related songs
like Form(Corporeal), a duration of minutes or even rounds is not
unreasonable (and yet, all of the damage-doing NC last for hours). But,
given that you need a disguise at all (Song of Form, Celestial), how often
do you need it *only for a few minutes*? 

Um. Getting back to Earl's question. Within the existing rules, Loki has a
special Song that IIRC not only allows dramatic shapeshifting but has a
fairly long duration. Good luck getting your Superior's permission to
learn it from him, or for that matter on getting him to teach it to you,
but since the Song exists, in principle it can be researched from the
Symphony. If a character has a need for long-term disguises, you might
look at the "Features for Vessels" rule (in GMG?) and buy a vessel with an
embedded variant of Celestial Song of Form, such that the vessel can look
like anything you want it to when you change to it, but its shape is then
fixed until the next time you change vessels.

York Dobyns           ydobyns@princeton.edu

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:19:44 -0500
From: Matt Trent <mtrent@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Transformation & Glamour

Earl Wajenberg wrote:
> 
> Two staples of fantasy are transformations and glamour.
> What does In Nomine provide here?  The Song of Form only
> lasts 6 minutes, max, and the Numina Corpi are a very limited
> selection, and likewise brief.
> 
> Earl

You could go with alternate funky vessels... if you can convince you
superior that it's worth the effort.

Matt Trent

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:24:09 -0400
From: Whistling in the Dark <in-sabre@annotations.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful.

At 12:13 PM -0500 10/11/00, David Edelstein wrote:
>Is this a Vapulan supercow? Sheesh!

Now now, David. Please.

There is a natural, high volume methane exhaust port already on the 
cow, and you think Vapula would miss the chance for a Knight Rider 
style "Turbo" jump-boost?
- -- 
I have a broken hand, so spelling errors, capitalization errors, and 
extremely slow response times should be treated as precious things, 
not errors, because I'm not about to correct them. Neener.

Eric Alfred Burns - <in-sabre@annotations.com>
<http://www.annotations.com/~innomine>
Habbalite of Belaboring the Point

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:34:22 -0500
From: "Prodigal" <prodigal@ticnet.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful.

From: "David Edelstein" <amadan@amadan.org>


> Prodigal wrote:
> > Corporeal Forces: 3
> >      Strength: 9
> >      Agility: 3
>
> Your cow is more agile than most humans!

Since we were on the subject of the Demon of Cows, it seemed appropriate.

> > Ethereal Forces: 1
> >      Intelligence: 2
> >      Precision: 2
>
> And just as smart!

That would be due to my not having my books available when I typed it up,
and thus mistaking the "Average Celestial" stat level for the "Average
Human" level.

> > Celestial Forces: 1
> >      Will: 2
> >      Perception: 2
>
> Is this a Vapulan supercow? Sheesh!

You didn't get the memo about that project?

> Cows should have 2 Corporeal Forces. No ethereal, no celestial. Very few
> animals will have Ethereal or Celestial Forces.

As already explained, I did not have my books with me when I was writing
that up. I just (mis?)remembered that all three types of forces were needed
for living creatures, and extrapolated from the fact that animals wind up in
Jordi's Savannah to mean that they had celestial forces, and from the idea
that I thought I remembered seeing something about animals' dreamscapes to
mean that they had ethereal forces also.

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 10:37:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Maurice Lane <moelane_1999@yahoo.com>
Subject: IN> New Numinous Corpus

I picked up the hardback IN today (neutral reaction,
overall: no color, but it _is_ hardback); this means
that I have a spare, which means that I can leave one
at work, which means that I can work stuff out on my
lunch hour instead of waiting until I get home.

Be afraid.  Be very afraid.  :)

Moe


Numinous Corpus (Cow)

This Song was independently discovered by ... never
mind who, for right now.  While possibly not the most
useful Song isolated in the last 20,000 years, it
actually has its points.

Normally, a performer of the Song gains hoofs for
hands and a bull's head (well, you could take a cow's
head instead, but that's not very useful).  The hoofs
add 1 to the Power of hand to hand attacks per level,
but the singer can no longer pick up things.  The
horns add 1 to attacks involving head butts for each
three levels of the Song.  There's also a tail, but it
doesn't do anything.

However, this Numinous Corpus is unique in that two
performers of it can combine the effects.  If
successful, they turn into a normal-sized cow or bull.
 This effect lasts one hour.  While in bovine form,
the Symphony acts as if the singers _were_ cows:  they
can do anything that a cow could do (including
stampeding over someone) without disturbance or
dissonance.  No resonance will detect anything unusual
about the cow.

Unfortunately, this comes at a price:  the singers
can't do anything that a cow wouldn't do, either. 
This includes using Songs, resonances, expending
Essence, most skills, or, indeed, much more than
eating grass.  Another small problem is that the two
singers both have control over the composite cow: 
actually, one has control over the front, and one has
control over the back.  This can often be quite funny,
in a sick and sad sort of way.

One last note:  the composite cow is _nonfunctional_. 
In every way.  And, frankly, you ought to be ashamed
of yourself for even _thinking_ about milk...

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:37:35 -0500
From: Earl Wajenberg <earlw@mc.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful.

David Edelstein wrote:

> Cows should have 2 Corporeal Forces. No ethereal, no celestial. 
> Very few animals will have Ethereal or Celestial Forces.

Here's where the coarse granularity of the game mechanics runs 
up against realism.  Anything with warm blood gives pretty 
clear indication of SOME level of mentality, and anything with 
a backbone (or a cephalopod) gives indication if studied 
closely.

Earl

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:44:22 -0500
From: Earl Wajenberg <earlw@mc.com>
Subject: Re: IN> Transformation & Glamour

ydobyns@princeton.edu wrote:

> Symphony. If a character has a need for long-term disguises, you 
> might look at the "Features for Vessels" rule (in GMG?) and buy a 
> vessel with an embedded variant of Celestial Song of Form, such 
> that the vessel can look like anything you want it to when you 
> change to it, but its shape is then fixed until the next time you 
> change vessels.

Mr. Trent spoke in terms of vessels, too.  This is fine for 
celestials, and I'm glad to learn of Loki's long-term variant 
on Song of Form, but I was actually thinking of a bit of 
color story from one of the books, where a woman is recruited 
by a blaseraph who gives her an instant transformation to a slim 
body.  Also, if you want to get at all mythic without resorting 
to action only on the Ethereal Plane, transformation is a pretty 
common theme in the genre -- on mortals.  Either Loki's Song is 
better known than indicated or IN is scanting this bit.

Then there's glamour.  Illusion.  Magical mirages.  I don't 
recall any IN mechanic for this, but I don't have it all at 
my fingertips.  Is there anything?

Earl

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:59:25 -0500
From: David Edelstein <amadan@amadan.org>
Subject: Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful.

Earl Wajenberg wrote:
> Here's where the coarse granularity of the game mechanics runs
> up against realism.  Anything with warm blood gives pretty
> clear indication of SOME level of mentality, and anything with
> a backbone (or a cephalopod) gives indication if studied
> closely.

Remember that a 0 Intelligence doesn't necessarily mean having the
intelligence of a rock. It means having an intelligence that is not
measurable by human standards, and incapable of making human-like
deductions.

- -David

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:49:55 -0500
From: Earl Wajenberg <earlw@mc.com>
Subject: Re: IN> New Numinous Corpus

Maurice Lane wrote:
 
> Numinous Corpus (Cow)

> Normally, a performer of the Song gains hoofs for
> hands and a bull's head (well, you could take a cow's
> head instead, but that's not very useful).

Actually, in wold cattle and many domestic breeds, both 
cows and bulls have horns.  If the feet turn into bovine 
hooves, too, the net effect sounds a lot like a minotaur.

> Another small problem is that the two
> singers both have control over the composite cow:
> actually, one has control over the front, and one has
> control over the back.  This can often be quite funny,
> in a sick and sad sort of way.

I see; so it's really Numinous Corpus (Pantomime Cow)

Earl

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