From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Oct 13 11:23:12 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA18092 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:23:10 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id LAA32422 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:20:54 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:20:54 -0500 Message-Id: <200010131620.LAA32422@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1848 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, October 13 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1848 In this digest: Re: IN> Remnant question Re: IN> Grigori Re: IN> Remnant question Re: IN> Grigori Re: IN> Grigori Re: IN> Grigori Re: IN> Grigori Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful. IN> Introduction Re: IN> Introduction Re: IN> Condolences Re: IN> Introduction Re: IN> Introduction Re: IN> Introduction Re: IN> Grigori IN> Digest 1845.... Re: IN> Remnant question Re: IN> New Numinous Corpus Re: IN> This is an odd one, even for me. Rapidly mutating IN> Zarahiel, the Would-be Angel of Ice IN> Attunement (Suitable for Servitors of Dark Humor, among others) Re: IN> Attunement (Suitable for Servitors of Dark Humor, among others) IN> question about a Gabrielite rite IN> question about a Gabrielite rite Re: IN> question about a Gabrielite rite IN> Angel of... pweewww! Re: IN> question about a Gabrielite rite Re: IN> Grigori Re: IN> Introduction IN> Jack Chick IN Re: IN> "Whaddya mean, I can't have monocrys?" (Take two...) Re: IN> Grigori Re:IN> Introduction Re: IN> Jack Chick IN Re: IN> Introduction Re: IN> Introduction Re: IN> Introduction Re: IN> Introduction IN> The Devil's Names Re: IN> The Devil's Names ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:30:49 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Remnant question At 9:35 PM -0700 10/11/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >Hey, could someone refresh my memory about the special >problems Remnant Kyriotates face? > >It's been addressed, right? GM decision, IIRC. You could say that should a Kyrio go remnant in a host, it permanently displaces the host to the Marches and goes on as if the remnant were its vessel... Or you could say that since the Kyrio no longer has a way to make its resonance work, when the time limit expires, it unravels as it is ejected from its hosts... Or you could decide that it merges with its host(s), almost Shedite-like... Or you could come up with something entirely different... - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:30:46 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Grigori At 12:45 AM -0400 10/12/00, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >At 1:06 PM +0930 10/12/00, gnezda wrote: >>Just wondering, what would be the resonance of a Grigori, and what would >>happen if one Fell? > >According to the Apocryph-- er, GURPS: In Nomine, the resonance of a >Grigori is sensation, for lack of a better word. Actually, I'd say it was perception, or sensitivity... >In Canon, there is no word on any of this. Are you sure these aren't seperate sects? - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:22:40 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Remnant question From: "Elizabeth McCoy" > At 9:35 PM -0700 10/11/00, Maurice Lane wrote: > >Hey, could someone refresh my memory about the special > >problems Remnant Kyriotates face? > > GM decision, IIRC. You could say that should a Kyrio go remnant > in a host, it permanently displaces the host to the Marches and > goes on as if the remnant were its vessel... You know, this puts a whole new spin on the Archdean's cats... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:50:29 -0400 (EDT) From: ydobyns@princeton.edu Subject: Re: IN> Grigori On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 12:45 AM -0400 10/12/00, Whistling in the Dark wrote: [...] > >According to the Apocryph-- er, GURPS: In Nomine, the resonance of a > >Grigori is sensation, for lack of a better word. > > Actually, I'd say it was perception, or sensitivity... > > >In Canon, there is no word on any of this. > > Are you sure these aren't seperate sects? When I bought G:IN, I was rather surprised to see a full Choir writeup for the Grigori, but assumed (like some of the other material) that this had been included because it was covered in a supplement, and that I had simply missed the supplement in question. I take it, then, that the Grigori have *not* been covered in IN material, but only in G:IN? If this is the case ... why? York Dobyns ydobyns@princeton.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:56:50 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Grigori York Dobyns wrote: > I take it, then, that the > Grigori have *not* been covered in IN material, but only in G:IN? > > If this is the case ... why? Yes, that is the case. As to why, if I remember correctly, G:IN deliberately anticipated future developments in plain IN because they didn't want to go back and do it twice; they wanted a single crossover book that you could combine with any regular IN book to play IN with GURPS rules. So here we have a peek behind the curtain and work still being planned. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:08:09 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Grigori At 12:30 PM -0400 10/12/00, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >At 12:45 AM -0400 10/12/00, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >>At 1:06 PM +0930 10/12/00, gnezda wrote: >>>Just wondering, what would be the resonance of a Grigori, and what would >>>happen if one Fell? >> >>According to the Apocryph-- er, GURPS: In Nomine, the resonance of a >>Grigori is sensation, for lack of a better word. > >Actually, I'd say it was perception, or sensitivity... I could accept that, actually, though the idea of the Grigori resonating to sensation as the Ofanim resonate to motion makes a lot of sense to me -- both in terms of what their G:IN resonance is and in terms of their original sin that caused their outcasting -- they revel and drink deep of the world of sensation around them. Their errors were sensual ones, born of their enhanced appreciation of it. IOW -- we could expand both of our statements into "the resonance of a Grigori is perception, giving them extra sensitivity to sensation." Maybe? > >In Canon, there is no word on any of this. > > Are you sure these aren't seperate sects? Merging Jewish and Christian religious terms for a second, there are four basic sects of In Nomine, it seems to me: Orthodox In Nomine: The Core Book Is King, all else is distraction. Anything outside of the Core Book, Canon or no, are dangerous ideas that might corrupt our youth. Interpretations of the Orthodoxy make for different potential campaign worlds. GURPS: In Nomine is a clear Infernal influence to this sect. Dominic receives Essence from Orthodox In Nomine as a Tether. Orthodox In Nomine players may play at any brightness and contrast, but won't play truly backwards because the Core Book doesn't support that well enough, in their opinion. Catholic In Nomine: The Core Book and official In Nomine materials comprise the Canon, and different interpretations of the Canon form different denominations, and different denominations often result in doctrinal schisms. (So, Protestantism exists in this heading too, humorously enough). GURPS: In Nomine is seen as clear Apocrypha, possibly interesting from a scholarly standpoint but theologically erroneous. The Demon Princess of Nitpicking receives Essence from Catholic In Nomine as a Tether. Catholics tend to play high contrast, bright games where the Angels are winning and actual good guys. Reform In Nomine: The Canon is as the Catholics say it is, but any other source that comes along has equal weight and validity. GURPS: In Nomine is embraced, as is the reams of Angel Words and Names in the Davidson reference and the Book of Enoch. Canon itself is seen as metaphor at best, and interpretations can vary widely without a feeling of loss or seperation between Reformists. No one takes a hard stand on everything and most Reformists figure naively that all debate can be resolved over coffee and tuna hot dish. Eli receives Essence from Reform In Nomine as a Tether. Reformists will often try Backwards In Nomine, and while their games may be Bright or Dark at will, they're often Low Contrast because it makes things more interesting. Unitarian In Nomine: No books, from Core Rules to Superiors 4, are seen as Canon. All is subject to change without notice. All sources are equally valid and some non-In Nomine sources are seen as probably stronger than actual In Nomine products. Unitarians are willing to actually play Jack Chick In Nomine, *Backwards* Jack Chick In Nomine, and Toon In Nomine, "just to try them out," map In Nomine to Nobilis in their spare time and run games where Angels and Demons tear apart continents over philosophy, and sometimes suggest gaming nude. Other In Nomine players spend much of their time saying "that boy ain't right," or "oh, hi Moe" to Unitarian In Nomine players. Janus receives Essence from Unitarian In Nomine as a Tether. Unitarian Games are generally not rated by Brightness and Contrast so much as by Tartan Color Scheme. - -- I have a broken hand, so spelling errors, capitalization errors, and extremely slow response times should be treated as precious things, not errors, because I'm not about to correct them. Neener. Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:10:58 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Grigori At 12:50 PM -0400 10/12/00, ydobyns@princeton.edu wrote: > >If this is the case ... why? Ach, now there's the question we all dread.... Seriously -- should this go into the FAQ? John? Beth? It's come up so often.... (The answer is, as I understand it, that a Grigori Supplement was originally thought to be released at or near the same time as G:IN, so it was felt they should be covered. Unfortunately, the Grigori Supplement wasn't released and IN's release calendar is currently limited to... er, the calendar, which is still cool, mind you. So, G:IN has Grigori rules but IN doesn't.) - -- I have a broken hand, so spelling errors, capitalization errors, and extremely slow response times should be treated as precious things, not errors, because I'm not about to correct them. Neener. Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 10:38:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful. Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:07:43 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Snide jokes aside, this could be useful. In a message dated 10/11/00 12:03:42 PM Central Daylight Time, amadan@amadan.org writes: << Cows should have 2 Corporeal Forces. No ethereal, no celestial. Very few animals will have Ethereal or Celestial Forces. >> Funny. That's what I was postulating for my... never mind. :) >>I think some of the more vicious and cunning >>predators might have a Celestial Force. Like a >>wolverine or something. Or one of Vapula's >>carnivorous hunting cows. Somebody wrote up a Vapucow on Tuesday, huh? Tanj dammit, what's keeping the bloody IN Digest #1845? I _need_ to see that cow! ;) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:56:24 +0200 From: Benediktq@t-online.de (Azrael) Subject: IN> Introduction Hy, I recently subscribed to this list (yesterday) and on most lists I know, you have to introduce yourself So I´ll do that here, too. My name´s Benedikt (or, as my players call me: master) and I´m 17 years old. I´v been playing roleplaying games for 4 years and In Nomine since 1999. Other roleplaying games I´ve played are SR, AD&D, DSA (German game, similar to AD&D), IN/MV, Earthdawn and White Wolf´s WoD. I live in a boring town in Germany and I´ve not finished school yet . Okay, I think that´s enough. C u, Azrael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:16:48 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Introduction In a message dated 10/12/00 1:57:14 PM Central Daylight Time, Benediktq@t-online.de writes: << Hy, I recently subscribed to this list (yesterday) and on most lists I know, you have to introduce yourself So I´ll do that here, too. >> Hi, Azrael! Welcome to the club! Your name sounds familiar, are you on any other lists? Maybe it's someone else using the name Azrael. Reverend Brian A. Rogers BillionSix@aol.com ICQ# 22544590 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:29:33 +0000 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> Condolences >Twila (who needed a cheering up... 'coz her Dad ascended to the higher >heavens this am...)<<< I'm sorry to hear about your father's passing. :( Let us know if you just want someone to talk to during this time. :) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:30:39 +0200 From: Benediktq@t-online.de (Azrael) Subject: Re: IN> Introduction > Hi, Azrael! Welcome to the club! > Your name sounds familiar, are you on any other lists? Maybe it's someone > else using the name Azrael. I´m also on the Ars Magica mailinglist, but I think there are some more people put there who have the same name. Azrael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:51:42 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Introduction At 10:30 PM +0200 10/12/00, Azrael wrote: > > Hi, Azrael! Welcome to the club! >> Your name sounds familiar, are you on any other lists? Maybe it's someone >> else using the name Azrael. > >I´m also on the Ars Magica mailinglist, but I think there are some more people >put there who have the same name. > >Azrael There's another Azrael on this mailing list. Regardless, welcome. - -- I have a broken hand, so spelling errors, capitalization errors, and extremely slow response times should be treated as precious things, not errors, because I'm not about to correct them. Neener. Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:26:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Gant Subject: Re: IN> Introduction On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Azrael wrote: > > Hi, Azrael! Welcome to the club! > > Your name sounds familiar, are you on any other lists? Maybe it's someone > > else using the name Azrael. > > I´m also on the Ars Magica mailinglist, but I think there are some more > people put there who have the same name. There's also a James Zoshak who goes by Azrael. He *was* on this list for a while, but I don't know if he's still on. Richard Gant - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Gant's Gaming Ghetto: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dunes/4656/ The Returners Final Fantasy Role-Playing Game Site: http://returners.simplenet.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:39:24 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Grigori At 12:50 PM -0400 10/12/00, ydobyns@princeton.edu wrote: >On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >[...]. I take it, then, that the >Grigori have *not* been covered in IN material, but only in G:IN? > >If this is the case ... why? Because the book that is to cover the Grigori has not yet been written. There is a long song and dance about how we _expected_ that book to predate or shortly postdate GIN, but I can't go into it because I have a very wiggly baby in my lap who is trying to decide how bored she is. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:48:54 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Digest 1845.... ...may have been eaten somehow, so... (EDG, take note -- I dropped this in personally!) http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/Digest1845.txt (If this isn't the right stuff, tell me sometime when I'm not having to rescue my glasses from being stolen while my chin is teethed upon.) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:55:01 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Remnant question Maurice Lane wrote: > Hey, could someone refresh my memory about the special > problems Remnant Kyriotates face? Yeah -- they don't exist. That's quite a problem. ;) - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:53:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> New Numinous Corpus Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:47:39 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> New Numinous Corpus At 1:49 PM -0500 10/11/00, Earl Wajenberg wrote:>> >>I see; so it's really Numinous Corpus (Pantomime Cow) >"PANTOMIME PRINCESS MARGARET: This attunement is >granted by Kobal to *exceptional* Servitors. Oh, that's... it's.... but.... Words fail me. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:37:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> This is an odd one, even for me. Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:20:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> This is an odd one, even for me. >here's a possible Attunement for the Demon of Cows. >Two All-beef Patties For 1 Essence, the demon can attune to a cow as per >the Djinn Resonance. He can then track that cow and >its parts no matter what happens to it. This means >that the demon can identify anyone who has eaten a >steak or hamburger that was made of meat from the >attuned cow. Actually, I was thinking somewhat along these lines for ... well, we'll just keep quiet about that for a little while longer, OK? :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:48:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Rapidly mutating IN> Zarahiel, the Would-be Angel of Ice From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Zarahiel, the Would-be Angel of Ice >[BTW, Morgan, I'm totally blaming you for this. Just >so you know.]------------- I understand. My God, what have I done? Of course, considering the content that's been circulating lately, my brain is trying to somehow create an adventure that incorporates Zarahiel, Dr. Bunsen Honeydew*, and a cow... :) Moe *My God. It's all clear, now. Jim Henson wasn't a Soldier of Children at all. He was a Soldier of _Lightning_. Think about it: Dr Bunsen Honeydew (Jean. In fact, Jean will look just like him in my mind's eye from now on) creates something, Beaker (obviously supposed to be Michael) tries it out, distressing things happen. The moral: "let the experts handle the tech, and don't fiddle with anything that you don't understand." _Damn_, but Elohim are clever. ;) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:25:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Attunement (Suitable for Servitors of Dark Humor, among others) Well, seeing as just about everything else this week has been a tad goofy, why not add this to the pile? Morgan (FAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of the REALLY funny thing is, this works. Every time. Every single time. Try it out. With a little conditioning, you can get them to look for cows in the middle of Paris. I AM NOT EXAGGERATING. Bovilepsy This Attunement allows a demon, for one Essence, to distract one person for one combat round. The demon must point somewhere in the distance and intone the word "Cow": the target will automatically look, which will effectively waste his attack. Once this has been used on someone, the Attunement may not be used for another minute. However, once it has been successfully used on someone, that unfortunate must make a Will +2 roll for an entire day whenever _anyone_ points and intones the word "Cow": failure causes them to succumb as above. The Will Roll is at -2 if the person is actually pointing at a cow. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:50:01 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Attunement (Suitable for Servitors of Dark Humor, among others) In a message dated 10/12/00 10:27:30 PM Central Daylight Time, moelane_1999@yahoo.com writes: << Bovilepsy This Attunement allows a demon, for one Essence, to distract one person for one combat round. The demon must point somewhere in the distance and intone the word "Cow": the target will automatically look, which will effectively waste his attack. Once this has been used on someone, the Attunement may not be used for another minute. However, once it has been successfully used on someone, that unfortunate must make a Will +2 roll for an entire day whenever _anyone_ points and intones the word "Cow": failure causes them to succumb as above. The Will Roll is at -2 if the person is actually pointing at a cow. >> THIS IS THE GREATEST IN NOMINE ATTUNEMENT EVER CREATED!!!!!! (Or maybe not.) Reverend Brian A. Rogers BillionSix@aol.com ICQ# 22544590 ------------------------------ Date: 13 Oct 2000 04:51:09 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: IN> question about a Gabrielite rite ...no, that wasn't meant to rhyme. this may have been answered in Superiors 3, but not having seen that, my fiancee and i disagreed over Gabriel's "kill a demon with fire" rite, so i'm asking here to settle the dispute (it's happily non-violent): does the angel have to soul-kill a demon in this fashion, or can simply vessal killing a demon harvest the Essence the rite grants? side question: is this one of those rites you can perform for essence more than once a day? it's difficult enough that i'm tempted to say yes, but i don't know of any other exceptions to the "one performance per day" rule. any help would be appreciated :) -=|horsefly|=- "It was a different time: a time of blood and guns and killings.... It was a time when killers needed saints, for so much of God's good work was being done." --SAINT OF KILLERS #4, Garth Ennis ------------------------------ Date: 13 Oct 2000 04:51:14 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: IN> question about a Gabrielite rite ...no, that wasn't meant to rhyme. this may have been answered in Superiors 3, but not having seen that, my fiancee and i disagreed over Gabriel's "kill a demon with fire" rite, so i'm asking here to settle the dispute (it's happily non-violent): does the angel have to soul-kill a demon in this fashion, or can simply vessal killing a demon harvest the Essence the rite grants? side question: is this one of those rites you can perform for essence more than once a day? it's difficult enough that i'm tempted to say yes, but i don't know of any other exceptions to the "one performance per day" rule. any help would be appreciated :) -=|horsefly|=- "It was a different time: a time of blood and guns and killings.... It was a time when killers needed saints, for so much of God's good work was being done." --SAINT OF KILLERS #4, Garth Ennis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:59:00 -0600 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> question about a Gabrielite rite When Rites want you to soul kill it says soul kill. If you have a flame thrower, or appropriate Songs/attunements, its not that hard to kill a demon with fire. - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: 13 Oct 2000 05:40:06 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: IN> Angel of... pweewww! In the wake of Moe's question about the Demon of Cows, but primarily in reaction to a noxious odor encountered while my fiancee and i were out walking this evening. With that in mind, I bring you... Muskiel, Cherub of Animals, Angel of Skunks Total Forces: 14 Word Forces: 6? Corporeal Forces: 4 Strength 8 Agility 8 Ethereal Forces: 4 Intelligence 6 Precision 10 Celestial Forces: 6 Will 12 Perception 12 Role/5, Level/4: Doctor Martin Soller, veteranarian (vessel/4) Vessal/6, skunk Vessel/3, orange tabby Skills: Climbing/3, Computer Operation/1, Detect Lies/2, Dodge/5, Emote/3, Escape/6, Fighting/6, Knowledge (Biology: muskuloids)/6, Languages (Latin)/3, Medicine/4, Move Silently/6, Running/6, Savoir-Faire/2, Singing/1, Survival (Forests)/6, Swimming/1, Tactics/3, Tracking/5 Songs: Attunements: Cherub of Animals, Animal Magnetism, Call of the Wild, Friend of Beasts, Angel of Skunks Angel of Skunks: For one point of essence, the angel can spray an area in yards equal to its total Forces in feet with an odious musk; all sprayed must make a Will roll, minus the angel's Celestial Forces to take any action besides flight and immediately washing themselves of the stench. Rites: +2 for spending six hours in peaceful association with skunks Character background will follow later. Comments and criticism appreciated. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Oct 2000 05:48:39 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> question about a Gabrielite rite On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:59:00 Tim Groth wrote: >When Rites want you to soul kill it says soul kill. > >If you have a flame thrower, or appropriate Songs/attunements, its >not that hard to kill a demon with fire. thanks, Tim. even more reason to love the Malakim of Fire Attunement ;) -=|horsefly|=- Happiness is a laser designator and a friend in the artillery battalion. --Clayton A. Oliver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 01:06:26 -0600 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Grigori >Unitarian In Nomine: No books, from Core Rules to Superiors 4, are >seen as Canon. All is subject to change without notice. All sources >are equally valid and some non-In Nomine sources are seen as >probably stronger than actual In Nomine products. Unitarians are >willing to actually play Jack Chick In Nomine, *Backwards* Jack >Chick In Nomine The entire thing was highly amusing. Eerily enough soon after David wrote Jack Chick IN I wanted to play it backwards. Neither group that I game with shared my vision. Bunch of Orthodox and Catholics. - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:24:56 +1000 From: "Azrael" Subject: Re: IN> Introduction From: "Whistling in the Dark" To: Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 6:51 AM Subject: Re: IN> Introduction > At 10:30 PM +0200 10/12/00, Azrael wrote: > > > Hi, Azrael! Welcome to the club! > >> Your name sounds familiar, are you on any other lists? Maybe it's someone > >> else using the name Azrael. > > > >I´m also on the Ars Magica mailinglist, but I think there are some more people > >put there who have the same name. > > > >Azrael > > There's another Azrael on this mailing list. Regardless, welcome. ^_^ I'm remembered. I too welcome Azrael, the only thing that may be a problem is confusion between us, which wouldn't be that large a problem in any case, and as no doubt we have different signatures, there wont be a problem. Azrael PS If it does prove to be a problem I also go by Demigouge, which I can switch too, if that would make everyone more happy. You laugh at me because I'm different...I laugh at you because you're all the same. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:19:20 +0930 From: gnezda Subject: IN> Jack Chick IN Jack Chick wrote some stuff on IN??? Ooh ooh! What's the web address? :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:26:32 -0400 From: "Andrew Stoner" Subject: Re: IN> "Whaddya mean, I can't have monocrys?" (Take two...) > There's no particular conversion to the IN battle rules(mmm... math > project), but adjusting the armor's bonuses up or down by the appropriate > ratios should do it roughly(that is, if a standard rifle would do 3 dice of > damage instead of about 6, the jacket should subtract 7 from the damage > done instead of 14). Erg... Drag out the rule books, I'll have to take a look at this. I can probably get a writeup of this sometime in the middle of next week... (Got GURPS books galore and can do some statistical analysis for conversion of PD into the fray...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:43:18 -0400 From: "Andrew Stoner" Subject: Re: IN> Grigori > Just wondering, what would be the resonance of a Grigori, and what would > happen if one Fell? Indeed, could they even Fall (perhaps they've > already Fallen, or else contact with humanity has removed so much of > their Divinity that they can't Fall or Redeem anymore?) > > Just some thoughts... Lets see, in GIN, Grigori are given a resonance of being able to hear disturbances in the symphony at +12, which works out to... about +4 or 5 in IN. They are also able to hear the disturbance for purely mental or soul damage which, at least in GIN no one else can do. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:10:35 -0500 From: "Cthulhu" Subject: Re:IN> Introduction We're supposed to introduce ourselves? oops. Little late, but: True name is unimportant, 19 yrs old, gaming for ... christ, 15 of them. Play all sorts of stuff, notably WoD and the new D&D, lots. Born and reared in Ireland and currently in college. thanks Azrael. *snore* _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:35:41 +1000 From: "Azrael" Subject: Re: IN> Jack Chick IN No Jack Chick didn't, David did. It all began with a passing comment and the glory that is Jack Chick IN was created...I don't know the address, but it's somewhere on David's site www.amadan.org Azrael/Demigouge You laugh at me because I'm different...I laugh at you because you're all the same. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:55:31 +0200 From: Benediktq@t-online.de (Azrael) Subject: Re: IN> Introduction > ^_^ I'm remembered. I too welcome Azrael, the only thing that may be a > problem is confusion between us, which wouldn't be that large a problem in > any case, and as no doubt we have different signatures, there wont be a > problem. Hm... I think too Azrael are a bit confusing. So I´ll use my Angel´s name: Sammael. C u, Sammael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 00:17:22 +1000 From: "Azrael" Subject: Re: IN> Introduction Cool, thanks Sammael (nee Azrael) Azrael You laugh at me because I'm different...I laugh at you because you're all the same. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:39:58 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Introduction In a message dated 10/13/00 7:04:25 AM Central Daylight Time, Cthulhu@vorlonempire.com writes: << We're supposed to introduce ourselves? oops. >> Ooh! My turn! Brian A. Rogers (reverend) (got a ordination for $20 from some church in California) I am 30 years old (don't ever turn 30, it ain't worth the time and effort), and have been gaming since Junior High. Or rather, attempting to game, since I can never find a group. I live in Evansville, Indiana. I have recently returned to school, studying computer programming. Thank you. Reverend Brian A. Rogers BillionSix@aol.com ICQ# 22544590 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:43:55 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Introduction In a message dated 10/13/00 7:56:15 AM Central Daylight Time, Benediktq@t-online.de writes: << Hm... I think too Azrael are a bit confusing. So I´ll use my Angel´s name: Sammael. >> Wasn't Samael Lucifer's original name? Wasn't Lucifer (Lightbringer) just sort of his title? (I'm not talking canon, of course) I remember a scene in DC Comics Lucifer series, where someone calls Lucifer Samael. He dryly responded, "No one's called me Samael in such a long time. It sort of like someone using your maiden name," Reverend Brian A. Rogers BillionSix@aol.com ICQ# 22544590 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:02:15 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> The Devil's Names BillionSix@aol.com wrote: > Wasn't Samael Lucifer's original name? Wasn't Lucifer > (Lightbringer) just sort of his title? (I'm not talking canon, > of course) I have heard "Samael" translated as "blind to God." It is the name for the chief fiend in Cabbalism, so far as I can understand from my net-surfing. (His consort is often Lilith.) I imagine this name arose during the Middle Ages. "Lucifer" is a Latin rendering of a Hebrew phrase that, in English, is usually rendered as "shining one," and comes from Isaiah 14:12-15: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, who didst weaken the nations! The preceeding text makes it plain that this is a taunt aimed at an earthly king, a parody of the fulsome flattery he received in his salad days, but it was long taken to refer to Satan, so that "Lucifer" became one of his monikers. This Latin form must also date back to the Middle Ages, or late antiquity at the earliest. "Satan" is also Biblical, first showing up as the name of an individual being in Job. It means "the Accuser" and draws on the terminology of a Hebrew law court. "Satan" is often compared to a prosecuting attourney, but the analogy needs to be fine-tuned. In an ancient Hebrew court, the satan was more like the plaintiff in a civil case -- he was the person who claimed he was wronged. The judge was also the defense attourney, and usually the ruler of the city; putting God in this analogical position means that He and Satan are more at odds than a judge and prosecutor in an Anglo-American court. By New Testament times, "Satan" was the name of the chief fiend, as is clear from the temptation accounts in the gospels and the use of the name in Revelation. It's probably the oldest of these three names for the Devil. Then there are all the slang and evasive names for him, like "Old Nick" and "Old Scratch." Why, by the way, does IN so scrupulously avoid the word "devil"? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:20:41 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> The Devil's Names At 12:02 PM -0500 10/13/00, Earl Wajenberg wrote: > >Why, by the way, does IN so scrupulously avoid the word "devil"? I don't think it does. I just assume that Angels, when using the word Devil, mean Lucifer, not the other Demons. And Demons, at least in my game, don't use the term any more than they'd use a racist slur to describe their C.E.O. in front of competitors. There are lots of Demons, in other words, but only one Devil, and he's not generally fond of the term. Except when someone makes it cool, like in "Devil in a Blue Dress" or in a certain amount of jazz music, but that's different. (Hm. You know what's interesting? I have the new version of Eudora, and it puts little red peppers up to indicate when a post has questionable or inflammatory content. Those peppers go from one to three. This post, so far, has earned two. I have to wonder... is it really so inflammatory to make references to Lucifer, the Devil, demons, and jazz?) - -- I have a broken hand, so spelling errors, capitalization errors, and extremely slow response times should be treated as precious things, not errors, because I'm not about to correct them. Neener. Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1848 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.