From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Oct 13 22:34:10 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA19553 for ; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:34:09 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id WAA00783 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:30:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:30:44 -0500 Message-Id: <200010140330.WAA00783@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1849 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, October 13 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1849 In this digest: Re: IN> Grigori Re: IN> Jack Chick IN IN> I have so many names... (Re: The Devil's Names) Re: IN> I have so many names... (Re: The Devil's Names) Re: IN> Digest 1845.... Re: IN> Attunement (Suitable for Servitors of Dark Humor, among others) IN> Ethereal Yaweh Re: IN> Remnant question Re: IN> Ethereal Yaweh Re: IN> I have so many names... (Re: The Devil's Names) Fwd: Re: IN> Attunement (Suitable for Servitors of Dark Humor, among others) IN> This is actually not OT. Re: IN> This is actually not OT. Re: IN> Introduction Re: IN> Introduction Re: IN> Is this list being moved? IN> Fwd: off topic Re: IN> Digest 1845.... Re: Rapidly mutating IN> Zarahiel, the Would-be Angel of Ice Re: IN> question about a Gabrielite rite Re:IN> Introduction Re: IN> Introduction Re: IN> The Devil's Names Re: IN> Remnant question IN> Calendar update. Re: IN> Calendar update. Re: IN> Grigori Re:IN> Introduction IN> pretty but expensive baubles... Re: IN> Introduction Re: IN> "Whaddya mean, I can't have monocrys?" (Take two...) Re: IN> Attunement (Suitable for Servitors of Dark Humor, among others) Re: IN> "Whaddya mean, I can't have monocrys?" (Take two...) Re: IN> question about a Gabrielite rite Re: IN> Angel of... pweewww! Re: IN> The Devil's Names Re: IN> Introduction ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:51:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Grigori Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:08:09 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Grigori >Unitarian In Nomine: No books, from Core Rules to >Superiors 4, are seen as Canon. Unless the Unitarian has written canon him- or herself and actually gets paid cash money for it, of course. Well, most of the time. :) >All is subject to change without notice. All sources >are equally valid and some non-In Nomine sources are >seen as probably stronger than actual In Nomine >products. Unitarians are willing to actually play >Jack Chick In Nomine, *Backwards* Jack Chick In >Nomine, and Toon In Nomine, "just to try them out," >map In Nomine to Nobilis in their spare time and run >games where Angels and Demons tear apart continents >over philosophy, and sometimes suggest gaming nude. Hey, I was drunk. Besides, it was just me and my girlfriend. :) >Other In Nomine players spend much of their time >saying "that boy ain't right," or "oh, hi Moe" to >Unitarian In Nomine players. You're just encouraging me, you realize. :) >Janus receives Essence from Unitarian In Nomine as a >Tether. Unitarian Games are generally not rated by >Brightness and Contrast so much as by Tartan Color >Scheme. Just because I proposed "Scottish accent" as a good Corporeal Discord for Servitors of my girlf... I mean, the Archangel of Mending... doesn't mean that I'm completely gonzo... Hmmm. Interesting word, "gonzo". ;) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:05:06 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Jack Chick IN Azrael wrote: > No Jack Chick didn't, David did. It all began with a passing comment and> the glory that is Jack Chick IN was created...I don't know the address, but> it's somewhere on David's site www.amadan.org http://www.amadan.org/Innomine/Jack_Chick.html - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:23:24 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> I have so many names... (Re: The Devil's Names) There is an interesting idea behind In Nomine that's rarely touched upon that Celestials are merely fragments of larger entities. In the Gamemaster's Handbook Brahma was hinted at as being all Hindu gods in merely a sort of projection while Celestials are all really just shards of a greater entity given forces (Why Lilith can only make Lilim, they are really just pieces of a unique being). The Devil is a prime canidate for this sort of intrigue because of the precedent for his actions in so many cultures (or at least influence). Actual names for Lucifer are Lucifer (of course) Son of Morning Morningstar The Lightbringer Samael Iblis The Dragon Old Nick Scratch The Devil The Black Man Black Legs (referring to the Pan portrayal) The King of Hell The Lord of the Underworld The Anti-Christ (presumably) Satan Shaitan Ahriman The Demiurge Other possible faces in In Nomine he's had a hand in (I know most if all of these are Ethereals but nothing is as it seems in In Nomine often) Loki Ymir Xixiopotec Tezaticopla Tiamat Arawn Ghede Hades Ravanna ...and numerous others - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:35:43 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> I have so many names... (Re: The Devil's Names) In a message dated 10/13/00 12:34:13 PM Central Daylight Time, tcp@zoomnet.net writes: << The Devil is a prime canidate for this sort of intrigue because of the precedent for his actions in so many cultures (or at least influence). >> Check out www.choppingblock.org Darned funny! Especially if you are a Saminga fan like me, and this week they are doing a tribute to the devil. Reverend Brian A. Rogers BillionSix@aol.com ICQ# 22544590 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:38:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Digest 1845.... Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 18:48:54 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Digest 1845.... ...may have been eaten somehow, so... (EDG, take note -- I dropped this in personally!) http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/Digest1845.txt Mucho thanks, Beth... .. oh, wait, I said the N-word, didn't I? Ooops... ;) Morgan (SAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Never say the N-word in front of any Lilim. "WHAMM!" Never say the N-word in front of any Lilim. "WHAMM!" Never say the N-word in front of any Lilim. "WHAMM!" ... ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:47:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Attunement (Suitable for Servitors of Dark Humor, among others) Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:50:01 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Attunement (Suitable for Servitors of Dark Humor, among others) In a message dated 10/12/00 10:27:30 PM Central Daylight Time, moelane_1999@yahoo.com writes: << Bovilepsy >THIS IS THE GREATEST IN NOMINE ATTUNEMENT EVER >CREATED!!!!!! >(Or maybe not.) I wouldn't go _that_ far, but I _will_ make the claim that it may be the only IN Attunement that has ever been successfully reality tested. :) Morgan (SAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of What, you don't believe me? Try it sometime: get in a nice long car ride with a bunch of people and point out every cow you see. It's very important to just point and say "Cow": a minimalist approach works best. By the end of the trip, they'll be doing it themselves. Assuming that they haven't tossed you out of the car. At this moment, my entire SCA household has this Attunement (or is it a Discord?). Apparently, there's just a hole in most people's minds that's a perfect fit for the habit of pointing and saying "Cow". ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:45:46 -0600 From: Tim Groth Subject: IN> Ethereal Yaweh This is the question of whether or not God was an ethereal. I'm wondering if the tribal gods of the early Jews were ethereals as far as canon is concerned, as well as how other folks out there treat it in they're games. If they were ethereals that would mean that Yaweh was as well. I'm pretty sure its CDaU if God is actually Yaweh, as to keep the ethereal God theory in CDaU. - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:57:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Remnant question Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:55:01 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Remnant question Maurice Lane wrote: >> Hey, could someone refresh my memory about the >> special >> problems Remnant Kyriotates face? >Yeah -- they don't exist. That's quite a problem. ;) >- -David So I've gathered, alas. Oh, well, so much for the Kyriotate Remnant Angel of Political Parties(metaphorically throwing away a ball of paper)... :) Moe (Sure, I could fiddle with Master of Divine Knowledge or something, but I wanted him from Trade originally)... ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:15:17 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Ethereal Yaweh Tim Groth wrote: > > This is the question of whether or not God was an ethereal. I'm > wondering if the tribal gods of the early Jews were ethereals as > far as canon is concerned, as well as how other folks out there > treat it in they're games. If they were ethereals that would > mean that Yaweh was as well. I'm pretty sure its CDaU if God is > actually Yaweh, as to keep the ethereal God theory in CDaU. I don't think tribal gods of the early Hebrews (not Jews at that point) have ever been touched on in canon. For that matter, I don't know who these gods would have been in real life, other than the general Semitic pantheon -- Marduk, Astarte, and like that. Yahweh had no analog in that pantheon, unless it was El, whose name became a generic word for "god." If they're that lot, then they're ethereals, but that doesn't mean Yahweh is. And, yes, that issue is CDaU. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:19:13 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> I have so many names... (Re: The Devil's Names) Charles Phipps wrote: > Actual names for Lucifer are ... > The Anti-Christ (presumably) Among those who take the Anti-Christ seriously as a religious figure, he is generally supposed to be, at most, Lucifer's human or semi-human son, not Lucifer himself. Most often, he's not even a blood relative, but a purely human, diabolically inspired, false messiah. Another for your list is "Prince of Darkness." Another analog from paganism would be Set, of the Egyptians. I would have suggested Nergal or Ereshkigal for Mesopotamia, rather than Tiamat. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:23:13 GMT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> Attunement (Suitable for Servitors of Dark Humor, among others) > Try it sometime: get in a nice long car ride with a >bunch of people and point out every cow you see. In my family, we do this with trees. It's particularly surreal when someone gets bored and starts pointing at the sheep and saying "TREE!" jo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:24:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> This is actually not OT. Anybody know where I can find a website that illustrates the various cuts of meat of livestock?* Something not grotesque: simple black and white outlines will suit me fine. In interests of bandwidth, it might be best if I just get emailed a reply. :) Moe *I think it's best if you don't speculate about _why_ I need to know this, really. It'll be looming in your face soon enough. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:41:47 CDT From: "Wade Hursman" Subject: Re: IN> This is actually not OT. I can't wait to see where all this is leading to, Moe. Here's a site that may give you more info than you needed. http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles/geissal23.html Wade Habbalite of Technology, Demon of Telemarketing. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:23:19 -0700 From: Sean McCarthy Subject: Re: IN> Introduction Our spies report that on 11:39 AM 10/13/00 -0400, BillionSix@aol.com said: >In a message dated 10/13/00 7:04:25 AM Central Daylight Time, >Cthulhu@vorlonempire.com writes: > ><< We're supposed to introduce ourselves? oops. >> > >Ooh! My turn! Now my turn! Everyone polka! My name is Sean McCarthy and I was born at the same time as D&D. My grandmother's efforts and my immersion in a church that said RPGs were evil kept me out of them until I was about eight. Then I realized that the RPGs weren't inherently evil, but the church swore the two were incompatible so I ditched the church. (No real point ... if they're right, no amount of attending, believing and caring would save me from the Hell my polyhedral dice were condemning me to.) I love IN. From the very first hint it would be released I was studying what I could of INS/MV and hoping. Much, much later IN came and it was good. So now when I'm not writing monitoring software for a major ISP here in the CityState of Los Angeles, I continue trying to get to play or run IN outside of thrice-yearly local gaming cons. And I threaten people with my Demon Prince of Madness and Habbalah writeups. ;) Sean ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:09:35 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Introduction Sean McCarthy wrote: > My name is Sean McCarthy and I was born at the same time as D&D. I feel very old. I recall first hearing of D&D from a friend who had graduated college a couple of years before I did.... This same friend is now the usual GM for our gaming group, so we're unlikely to play IN, since he considers it rude to game real-world religious matters. We use a set of rules that I helped him compose, called "FuRPiG." He based it off "The Fantasy Trip," Steve Jackson's ancestor to GURPS. The rule set and our game logs, covering more than a decade of gaming, can be reached through his web page at: http://www.ultranet.com/~brons/ Despite not being able to play IN, I follow it with interest and have several of the books. Maybe someday. The irony is that my GM is not a Christian, but I am, and I would have no qualms about playing IN, though I would undoubtedly play it very bright and high-contrast. I've never encountered face-to-face religious opposition to RPGs, though I know it's out there. Once in a while, I remind myself that real angels and demons almost undoubtedly resemble IN celestials no more than the real galaxy resembles Star Trek or Star Wars. But it facinates me to see the subject treated in at all in an RPG. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:49:33 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Is this list being moved? At 11:03 PM -0600 10/11/00, Tim Groth wrote: >I just read the Daily Illuminator, and it mentioned the move of some >of the mailing lists to eGroups. Is this one moving as well? I checked with Kira, and no -- since I'm the one who deals with bounces and all the other admin stuff, I keep it where I will, and moving it sounds like more hassle than it's currently worth, to me. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:53:28 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Fwd: off topic >From: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:10:47 -0500 >To: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Admin request of type /^\s*get\s+\S+\s*$/i at line 9 >From: "nick sands" >Subject: off topic >Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:10:18 BST > >hi to azrael. >samael was a rarely used name for the big L. >also, i am setting up a webpage and i would like to include links to other >pages, namely, every body on this list that has some rpg content. >thats all really. >please let me know if i can add your site as a link, and the addresses for >any other cool sites. >i will look at all sites that folks would like to be on my so no bad links >get added. > >Nick >(aka Colgarothialmes, shedite of damnation, one too many psuedopods in the >pie) >www.angelfire.com/goth/psyber > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >http://profiles.msn.com. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:57:46 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Digest 1845.... >From: Elizabeth McCoy >>(EDG, take note -- I dropped this in personally!) >> >>http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/Digest1845.txt > >Mucho thanks, Beth... You're welcome! >.. oh, wait, I said the N-word, didn't I? Why, yes, you did! >Ooops... >;) O8D <--Big-eyed grin. >Petitioner for the Word of Never say the N-word in >front of any Lilim. "WHAMM!" Never say the N-word in >front of any Lilim. "WHAMM!" Never say the N-word in >front of any Lilim. "WHAMM!" ... (Toooooooo laaaaate!) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:01:03 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: Rapidly mutating IN> Zarahiel, the Would-be Angel of Ice At 7:48 PM -0700 10/12/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >From: Elizabeth McCoy >Subject: IN> Zarahiel, the Would-be Angel of Ice > >>[BTW, Morgan, I'm totally blaming you for this. Just >>so you know.]------------- > >I understand. > > > >My God, what have I done? Great evil, clearly. >Of course, considering the content that's been >circulating lately, my brain is trying to somehow >create an adventure that incorporates Zarahiel, Dr. >Bunsen Honeydew*, and a cow... My brain hurts. Very much. If you don't post at least a sketchy adventure along these lines, I'm going to have to spread the pain. Got me? >Think about it: Dr Bunsen Honeydew (Jean. In fact, >Jean will look just like him in my mind's eye from now >on) creates something, Beaker (obviously supposed to >be Michael) tries it out, distressing things happen. >The moral: "let the experts handle the tech, and >don't fiddle with anything that you don't understand." OWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. >_Damn_, but Elohim are clever. ;) Oh-yeah... - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:08:34 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> question about a Gabrielite rite At 4:51 AM +0000 10/13/00, -=|horsefly|=- wrote: >[...] Gabriel's "kill a demon with fire" rite, so i'm asking here to >settle the dispute (it's happily non-violent): does the angel have to soul-kill >a demon in this fashion, or can simply vessal killing a demon harvest the >Essence the rite grants? Either will suffice. Soul killing gives a nicer "warm fuzzy" feeling in the angel's heart, of course. O:> >side question: is this one of those rites you can perform for essence more >than once a day? No -- those are clearly marked. (I believe Malphas has one.) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:12:32 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re:IN> Introduction At 7:10 AM -0500 10/13/00, Cthulhu wrote: >We're supposed to introduce ourselves? oops. O:> Strictly optional, but usually entertaining. >True name is unimportant, ( No, Seraphim of Jean with the Seraph of Yves attunement can NOT get a true name by touching their screen when someone's email is on it...) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:57:38 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Introduction - --On Friday, October 13, 2000 13:23 -0700 Sean McCarthy wrote: > Our spies report that on 11:39 AM 10/13/00 -0400, BillionSix@aol.com > said: >> In a message dated 10/13/00 7:04:25 AM Central Daylight Time, >> Cthulhu@vorlonempire.com writes: >> >> << We're supposed to introduce ourselves? oops. >> >> >> Ooh! My turn! > > Now my turn! Everyone polka! > Alamande left! My name is Marc Bowden, and I....I'm addicted to frozen coke. Wait. Wrong group. I am a thirty-year-old computer support "Bob", the chief cook and bottle washer for MERIT Network, hosted right now at the University of Michigan. I live in Ypsilanti, Michigan with my fiancee, Nadine, and two of the Stupidest Dogs on Earth. My unluck field has been unleashed on several other game systems, mos notably Shadowrun? and TORG?. I also spend seven weeks out of the year working for the Michigan Renaissance Festival, much to the ire of the aforementioned fiancee. When not otherwise engaged by other time sinks, I spend time riding my Honda Helix, rearranging my extensive collection of LEGOs, tinkering with the MUD I've had for ten years, and planning for my Nov. 4 wedding. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:34:21 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> The Devil's Names At 12:02 PM -0500 10/13/00, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >Why, by the way, does IN so scrupulously avoid the word "devil"? I really don't know. From eldritch hunches, I suspect it may have been something SJ requested, but I have no direct proof, or knowledge. It also avoids "Satan" most of the time. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:34:15 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Remnant question At 10:57 AM -0700 10/13/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >Oh, well, so much for the >Kyriotate Remnant Angel of Political >Parties(metaphorically throwing away a ball of >paper)... > >:) > >Moe (Sure, I could fiddle with Master of Divine >Knowledge or something, but I wanted him from Trade originally)... Doesn't Trade have a "no resonance roll required to possess" attunement? It does. C'mon, Moe -- think about it. Bend that canon. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:35:39 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Calendar update. Now there's a cover pic for us: http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/calendar2001/ - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:34:44 -0500 From: Andrew Hackard Subject: Re: IN> Calendar update. At 07:35 PM 13/10/00 -0400, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >Now there's a cover pic for us: > >http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/calendar2001/ BTW, since you asked: Yes Gabriel, no Yves. - -- Choosing between Bush and Gore is like choosing | hackard@io.com whether to be circumcised with a nail file or a | AIM: Talthybias spork -- either way, I'm not interested. | ICQ: 19083015 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:37:53 EDT From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Grigori In a message dated 10/12/00 10:23:52 PM, emccoy@nh.ultranet.com writes: >There is a long song and dance about how we _expected_ that book to >predate or shortly postdate GIN, but I can't go into it because I have >a very wiggly baby in my lap who is trying to decide how bored she is. > > >--Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. >"She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." And , oddly enough, that same baby has a starring role in the song and dance.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 12:04:57 +1000 From: "Shane Curtis" Subject: Re:IN> Introduction On 13 Oct 2000, 18:12, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > ( No, Seraphim of Jean with the Seraph of Yves attunement can NOT > get a true name by touching their screen when someone's email is on it...) Hrm, but could they use it to get the *true* address behind a spammer's (or hacker's, or script kiddie's, or...) forged packet/email/news headers? :) Shane. (FEAR the Kyrio-Seraph of Yves IST Jean, oh naughty net users... ) ------------------------------ Date: 14 Oct 2000 02:20:29 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: IN> pretty but expensive baubles... ...the Franklin Mint frustrates the Hell out of me sometimes. Nonetheless, I got to thinking about a gorgeous number (check out page 42 of the current catalog), and after researching the Liber Reliquarum, I think this is ready for posterity. Please tell me if things are out of adjustment so I can re- calculate. It's my first serious artifact. - --- Lord of the Arctic Winter knife 15" overall, roughly 9" blade Mastachel, Elohite of Creation, contents itself flipping through catalogs from the Franklin Mint to see what humans are creating, as well as for possible inspiration in creating relics. Thumbing through a recent catalog, Mastachel came across the Lord of the Arctic Winter knife, and after it spent several days examining the blade and determining a few added features which would be within the theme of the original artist's intent, as well as making the knife much more useful for the Host. So after purchase and ritual clensing, the Power expanded upon the winter motiff, adding the Corporeal Song of Ice to its make-up. To make certain only those devoted to the knife's spirit used it, the Elohite focused cold into the Lord of Arctic Winter to the point where it not only is easily spotted as an artifact from the noticable degree of cold emenating from it, but also from the chill which suffuses its user on each actiavation. Because ice is hard, and glacial ice nigh indestructible--not to mention the fact that metals ordinarily become quite brittle when frozen, Mastachel took care to reinforce the knife's durability to handle such extremes. The Lord of Arctic Winter uses the Small Weapon (dagger) Skill for use, and after a successful strike utilizes its Song to freeze the tartget. Though an impressive design and immediately recognizable as an artifact, so far it's suprised four demons when their insides were frozen solid! Relic/6 (Corporeal Song of Ice) 18 Talisman/1 (Survival: winter) 2 Essence Regeneragion: Must be held in freezing temperatures -2 Fragility: Unbreakable +5 Harms user: check digit on activation in soul hits of cold -2 Tracking: celestials can use to find owner -2 Visibility: Automatic -3 total cost 16 - --- -=|horsefly|=- God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Oct 2000 02:45:32 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> Introduction i think i did this a few years ago from ebergese@haywire.csuhayward.edu, then i switched to horsefly7553@icqmail.com, and now i'm here. anyway, basic info: 25yr old Taurus, been gaming since high school with Robotech, Marvel Super Heroes, and AD&D. from there i went on to Ravenloft, DragonLance, Cyberpunk 2020, and then to the World of Darkness in '93 (picked up Vampire: the Masquerade and the 2nd ed Players Guide right out of high school); i've stuck with the WoD ever since, though i've enjoyed In Nomine since i found out about it around '98. joyfully, i participated in my first tabletop In Nomine game over the summer, though convincing my fiancee to GM again has proven rather arduous. -=|horsefly|=- If I ever wanted to say 'gwrthwynebiad', I'd probably kill myself by choking on my own tongue. =) - --John Karakash ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:06:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> "Whaddya mean, I can't have monocrys?" (Take two...) - --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > What's "monocrys"? Short for "mono-molecular crystal," a theorized metallic material that would have greater tensile strength than conventional metal at a fraction of the weight. Such materials could be manufactured on Earth, but it's supposed to be easier in zero-G. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "I wondered why somebody didn't do something. Then I realized that I was somebody." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:14:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Attunement (Suitable for Servitors of Dark Humor, among others) - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Bovilepsy RIBLMHO!!! }:> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "I wondered why somebody didn't do something. Then I realized that I was somebody." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:15:15 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> "Whaddya mean, I can't have monocrys?" (Take two...) >> There's no particular conversion to the IN battle rules(mmm... math >> project), but adjusting the armor's bonuses up or down by the appropriate >> ratios should do it roughly(that is, if a standard rifle would do 3 dice of >> damage instead of about 6, the jacket should subtract 7 from the damage >> done instead of 14). > >Erg... Drag out the rule books, I'll have to take a look at this. I can >probably get a writeup of this sometime in the middle of next week... (Got >GURPS books galore and can do some statistical analysis for conversion of PD >into the fray...) I've got GURPS Basic Set and GURPS:In Nomine. What I need are the battle rules for regular In Nomine, and then I can stick a conversion on the list for all to enjoy - hopefully, one that will work both ways, so GURPS supplements open up for IN players as well. I could either buy the core IN book for this, or, me being a poor graduate student with enough money for the occasional rulebook but not anywhere *near* enough time to learn an entire new gaming system, which I just *know* I'd do if I bought the whole rulebook, somebody could be kind enough to post the battle rules. Assuming IN is remotely like most RPGS, there will be a few common traits: a decscription of the rhythm of the battle: such things as initiative, turn sequence, options on a turn, amount of time involved, etc. a section of the rules on how to decide whether someone gets hit(taking into account things like the weapon, the attacker's skills and attributes, any situational modifiers, the defender's ability to avoid getting hit, modified by armor, motion, skills or attributes, etc.) a section for deciding, if someone gets hit, how much damage was done(same as above, including defender's ability to avoid and absorb damage) a section on dealing with the effects of damage, e.g. when stunning, unconsciousness, death, Force-stripping or other effects occur. In each, I'm looking for: What rolls are made? What modifiers apply? What actual physical effect is this describing? The only outside information I'll probably need is the stat range for typical IN weapons and any armor. I know human and angel stats are distributed as 4xForces in their appropriate Realms, with a few occasional modifiers. Going the other way, GURPS Lite will define the bsic terms of battle for anyone that wants them, free. It may take a few rounds of question-and-answer, not to mention drafts, before we've got something accurate and usably simple. I think this could be a worthwhile project for everyone here, and I'd like to take the time to do it carefully and completely. William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:17:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> question about a Gabrielite rite - --- -=|horsefly|=- wrote: > my fiancee and i disagreed over Gabriel's "kill a demon with fire" > rite, so i'm asking here to settle the dispute (it's happily non- > violent): does the angel have to soul-kill a demon in this fashion, > or can simply vessal killing a demon harvest the Essence the rite > grants? IMC, Vessel-killing will do. I don't believe that canon specifies (unless the oversight is corrected in S3). > side question: is this one of those rites you can perform for essence > more than once a day? As far as I know, all Rites are limited to one performance per day for Essence. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "I wondered why somebody didn't do something. Then I realized that I was somebody." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:19:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Angel of... pweewww! - --- -=|horsefly|=- wrote: > Muskiel, > Cherub of Animals, > Angel of Skunks I'm really concerned about you people... o;> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "I wondered why somebody didn't do something. Then I realized that I was somebody." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:24:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Devil's Names > (Hm. You know what's interesting? I have the new version of Eudora, > and it puts little red peppers up to indicate when a post has > questionable or inflammatory content. Those peppers go from one to > three. This post, so far, has earned two. I have to wonder... is it > really so inflammatory to make references to Lucifer, the Devil, > demons, and jazz?) Referring to the devil is always inflammatory -- unless, like Mick Jagger, you have sympathy for him. };> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "I wondered why somebody didn't do something. Then I realized that I was somebody." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:31:23 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Introduction >--On Friday, October 13, 2000 13:23 -0700 Sean McCarthy > wrote: > >> Our spies report that on 11:39 AM 10/13/00 -0400, BillionSix@aol.com >> said: >>> In a message dated 10/13/00 7:04:25 AM Central Daylight Time, >>> Cthulhu@vorlonempire.com writes: >>> >>> << We're supposed to introduce ourselves? oops. >> >>> >>> Ooh! My turn! >> >> Now my turn! Everyone polka! >> > > Alamande left! Do-si-do! Hi, my name is William, and I'm a Reform In-Nominee. I can't say I'm an IN player, since as of yet the only gaming group I know of in town(true story!) told me that Steve Jackson owns Austin and babies there are born with little pyramids on their forehead(has iolanthe's faded yet?), and my IRC group has expressed interest but there's another game I'm currently in which is still in progress. So, maybe, soon... *hopehopehope* Outside of RPGs, of which I own few but know the rules to an ungodly number for some bizarre reason(D&D, Rifts, G:IN, G:IOU, M:tG, SM CCG, Netrunner, JU2.0, maybe some more I can't think of at the moment), I am a graduate student in mathematics at the Pennsylvania State University. Put these two together, and witness my enthusiasm for writing up a rules conversion. ^_^ >Marc. Just Marc. >Elohite Angel of Salvation William ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1849 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.