From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Oct 25 07:41:48 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA23640 for ; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:41:48 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id HAA12273 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:37:41 -0500 Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:37:41 -0500 Message-Id: <200010251237.HAA12273@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1874 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, October 25 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1874 In this digest: Re: IN> Will the Servitor of the Media reading this list kindly stop plagarizing us? IN> Fwd: army of the lord IN> Anime In Nomine: a New Idea Re: IN> Anime In Nomine: a New Idea IN> What lies ahead... IN> Eden Proposed... Re: Thoughts About Michael (was Re: IN> Michael's Challenges: IN> The hopefully to someday be banned Kobal thread Re: IN> Michael's Challenge: The Value of Combat Re: IN> Why everyone should love Lilith Re: IN> Anime In Nomine: a New Idea Novalis and threats (was Re: IN> The hopefully to someday be banned Kobal thread) Re: IN> Re: The inevitable dreaded anime tie-in Re: IN> Why everyone should love Lilith Re: IN> Re: Pathetic little leeches (was Thoughts About Michael) Re: IN> The hopefully to someday be banned Kobal thread Re: IN> Higher Heavens High -- The Expansion Set Re: IN> Michael's Challenge: The Value of Combat Re: IN> Census Re: IN> Census Re: IN> Re: Pathetic little leeches (was Thoughts About Michael) Re: IN> Higher Heavens High -- The Expansion Set Re: Novalis and threats (was Re: IN> The hopefully to someday be banned Kobal thread) Re: IN> Higher Heavens High -- The Expansion Set Re: IN> Higher Heavens High -- The Expansion Set ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:02:40 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Will the Servitor of the Media reading this list kindly stop plagarizing us? From: "Maurice Lane" > > It has vampire cows. > > This actually frightened me. I don't mind it when my > thoughts run down parallel lines with people whose > work I respect, but _Hollywood_? If you prefer, you can accuse them of stealing from Steve Gerber's Howard the Duck vampire cow story from back in the 70's. ;) ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 2000 00:24:53 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: IN> Fwd: army of the lord - --=====================_889472414==_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" cute joke i got from my fiancee for a Soldier-oriented game.... >>Army of the Lord! Jack was in front of me coming out of church one day, and the preacher was standing at the door as he always is to shake hands. The preacher grabbed Jack by the hand and pulled him aside. The Pastor said to him, "You need to join the Army of the Lord!" Jack replied, "I'm already in the Army of the Lord, Pastor." Pastor questioned, "How come I don't see you except at Christmas and Easter?" Jack whispered back, "I'm in the secret service." "When sparks fly, robots die." --Bill Dwyer, BATTLEBOTS announcer - --=====================_889472414==_-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:47:15 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> Anime In Nomine: a New Idea All this talk of Anime in In Nomine has made me dig up this idea I came up with after watching the Digimon movie. If you don't like it, you have no one to blame but yourselves for making me do this... >=-) Here's the idea, in a nutshell: What if the Digital World was a sub- realm of the Ethereal Realm, somehow directly connecting the Ethereal and the Corporeal, through every computer and phone on Earth? This would create nearly billions of possible Tethers. Whichever side could control the Digital World would have the means to send forces all around the world nearly instantly. Problem is, While Celestials can go to the Digital World as easily as into the Ethereal Realm, it's impossible for true Celestials to travel through the Digital World to Earth. Vapula tried it with an Imp, and the minor Demon ended up "Imp-ploding" in the process. So he decided to create Digimon/Demon hybrids... the Viral-type Digimon. His most notable success: the Devimon prototype. Of course Jean realizes he can't let Vapula run wild in the Digital World, as his experiments could adversly affect both Digital and Corporeal worlds, triggering Armageddon early. So he alters a few Digimon, and create the Crests, embodying various Virtues of Heaven, and creates the Digi-Destined, chosen protectors of the Digital World. In fact, he decides to handle the Digi-Destined's training directly, and creates an avatar of himself called Jennai to serve as a mentor to them.So that's the basic idea: the Virus Type Digimon are Vapula's various creations, trying to bring Hell to the Digital World, and then to Earth. The Digi-Destined are Soldiers of Heaven, bonded with their Digimon partners, trying to bring Light and Order into the Digital World, fighting Vapula's Viral creations. I even figured out how to tie the second season in: Starting with the movie's second storyline, Diaboromon was an experiment from Vapula, attempting to bring about Armageddon, which was thwarted, to his surprise, by normal Humans giving their strength to the Digimon. So he decides to alter one of the next generation of Digi-Destined, Ken, with Demonic instincts, thus creating the Digimon Kaizer. And there's even a follow-through: The young heroes are called the Digi-Destined, right? Vapula could try his own negative versions, called the Digi-Fated... What do you guys think? Sounds like a possible campaign or not? - -Exit the LoneWolf PS: Chuckg, stop trying to knaw your foot off... =-P ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:56:30 -0600 From: "ben" Subject: Re: IN> Anime In Nomine: a New Idea > What do you guys think? Sounds like a possible campaign or not? I am going to claw my eyes out. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:01:32 -0600 From: Tim Groth Subject: IN> What lies ahead... - --============_-1239686803==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" "There will be trouble." God said to himself. Yves was within the First Place, where few were allowed to enter. "I agree." He answered himself, "But there is no other way. The wellspring is set in a pattern, and it will produce those like me." "We can not let the angels interfere with them. We must allow them the chance to dwell within the Symphony as they will. If they are to be its owners so be it, if not then that is how it shall be. Have their forms developed from among the animals yet?" "Nah. Another thousand years or so are needed." "I will declare them to be off limits then." "Their souls. They will not necessarily come here." "No. But those that don't will be alone or at least in lesser numbers. They will not be a threat." "The Corporeal Song of Life may cause a problem." There was a slight pause, "Its notes are fading, when the announcement is made that it is forbidden it will have faded entirely." "One of them may Sing it back in." "Then it shall be." "Of course." Yves left himself to think on such matters and returned through the Upper Heavens to the Lower Heavens. He was much less here, a mere mask of sorts. He was right though, there would be trouble when humanity evolved and the angels were told of the species' protected status. Worse would be if they learnt of its actual nature though. - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html - --============_-1239686803==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" What lies ahead...
"There will be trouble." God said to himself.

Yves was within the First Place, where few were allowed to enter.  "I agree." He answered himself, "But there is no other way.  The wellspring is set in a pattern, and it will produce those like me."

"We can not let the angels interfere with them.  We must allow them the chance to dwell within the Symphony as they will.  If they are to be its owners so be it, if not then that is how it shall be.  Have their forms developed from among the animals yet?"

"Nah.  Another thousand years or so are needed."

"I will declare them to be off limits then."

"Their souls.  They will not necessarily come here."

"No.  But those that don't will be alone or at least in lesser numbers.  They will not be a threat."

"The Corporeal Song of Life may cause a problem."

There was a slight pause, "Its notes are fading, when the announcement is made that it is forbidden it will have faded entirely."

"One of them may Sing it back in."

"Then it shall be."

"Of course."

Yves left himself to think on such matters and returned through the Upper Heavens to the Lower Heavens.  He was much less here, a mere mask of sorts.  He was right though, there would be trouble when humanity evolved and the angels were told of the species' protected status.  Worse would be if they learnt of its actual nature though.
--


Timothy, Angel of Rambling
Ofanite of Creation
ArchRival of Mathus
If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html
- --============_-1239686803==_ma============-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:03:22 -0600 From: Tim Groth Subject: IN> Eden Proposed... - --============_-1239686693==_ma============ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" "Why do you insist on defending them and their superiority? You were there before Michael and I, before we began to perform the Symphony. Before even we were aware of exactly what God had planned. How then can you say it is best to ignore these beings who could wreck the Symphony?" "Because I was there before it." Yves said smiling. "Bah! You trust them to not destroy it don't you?" "I think it is likely they will not." "I have been discussing, with those that will listen." "I am aware." "Those that have listened to my concerns often merely echo them to me. Yet one, Kebel or something, he spoke well and said that if we were to know for sure how they behave then we could decide best. So I propose an experiment. We will create two humans, pinacles of their species. We will place them in a paradise, and if they can resist temptation and obey their Creator then we know that the species is worthy." "You are willing to judge humans by perfect specimens?" "Yes." Yves looked towards the ladder in the center of Heaven, connecting for a moment with the rest of himself. "I think this idea is acceptable. We will speak of it more, and listen to God's answer from the Metatron." "Agreed." Yves and Lucifer waited patiently at the edge of the First Place. Soon the voice of God began reverberating through it, in a form that could be understood within the Symphony. "Lucifer your plan is a good one. As always your intelligence is sharp, do you have the test fully prepared?" "Aye Lord." He recounted his idea for Eden. For building a seperate corporeal Symphony. For his plan of Adam and Lilith, perfect humans. "Eli is prepared to craft their forms. We need only you to provide them souls." "When the garden is ready I shall give unto them life and souls. I will speak to them then the rules that you have laid out. Is this pleasing to you?" "Not yet Lord. If they fail will you agree to allow us to intervene to teach them?" "I will if you agree that if they succed to obey my wishes and leave them to their own devices." "I swear it to you and by you." - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html - --============_-1239686693==_ma============ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Eden Proposed...
"Why do you insist on defending them and their superiority?  You were there before Michael and I, before we began to perform the Symphony.  Before even we were aware of exactly what God had planned.  How then can you say it is best to ignore these beings who could wreck the Symphony?"

"Because I was there before it." Yves said smiling.

"Bah!  You trust them to not destroy it don't you?"

"I think it is likely they will not."

"I have been discussing, with those that will listen."

"I am aware."

"Those that have listened to my concerns often merely echo them to me.  Yet one, Kebel or something, he spoke well and said that if we were to know for sure how they behave then we could decide best.  So I propose an experiment.  We will create two humans, pinacles of their species.  We will place them in a paradise, and if they can resist temptation and obey their Creator then we know that the species is worthy."

"You are willing to judge humans by perfect specimens?"

"Yes."

Yves looked towards the ladder in the center of Heaven, connecting for a moment with the rest of himself.  "I think this idea is acceptable.  We will speak of it more, and listen to God's answer from the Metatron."

"Agreed."

Yves and Lucifer waited patiently at the edge of the First Place.  Soon the voice of God began reverberating through it, in a form that could be understood within the Symphony.  "Lucifer your plan is a good one.  As always your intelligence is sharp, do you have the test fully prepared?"

"Aye Lord." He recounted his idea for Eden.  For building a seperate corporeal Symphony.   For his plan of Adam and Lilith, perfect humans.  "Eli is prepared to craft their forms.  We need only you to provide them souls."

"When the garden is ready I shall give unto them life and souls.  I will speak to them then the rules that you have laid out.  Is this pleasing to you?"

"Not yet Lord.  If they fail will you agree to allow us to intervene to teach them?"

"I will if you agree that if they succed to obey my wishes and leave them to their own devices." 

"I swear it to you and by you."
--


Timothy, Angel of Rambling
Ofanite of Creation
ArchRival of Mathus
If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html
- --============_-1239686693==_ma============-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:02:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: Thoughts About Michael (was Re: IN> Michael's Challenges: On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Jo Hart wrote: > This is why Lilith is the one Prince who really can't afford for any of the > others to be destroyed. Her power base is in her geases and if the > geas-giver defaults (by dying, for example :) ) then she has _nothing_. > > She must have gone through fits when Haagenti ate Mariel and Mesherach. > Especially since he did it without any help from her or her daughters. ....that we KNOW OF, at least. Remember, in Superiors 2, there's some definite speculation that Haagenti must have needed some help to pull that off, and that it probably came from Lucifer, Lilith, or Kobal.... - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "I feel like we could write a song with the title 'I Wanna Fuck You' and people would still say, 'I don't understand...explain to me what that song means.'" -- John Flansburgh (They Might Be Giants) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:18:59 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The hopefully to someday be banned Kobal thread Okay the Djinn of Nitpicking issued a challenge and if I am ever to be Angel of opposition to canon then I must start this thread. KOBAL Okay up front Kobal is an amusing Prince because quite frankly he's the only one who can get away with ANYTHING in Hell up to and including faking Armageddon and nearly getting Baal killed fighting Michael. He also has a special task from God which may or may not be bubkiss now that he's fallen South and he's also got a big joke planned that will ultimately change the Symphony for the better or worse in a very dramatic way (he nearly caused Armageddon and that wasn't it). Now for some controversial opinions that will hopefully kick this thread into high gear. 1:) Why Kobal is a prime canidate for Redemption A:) He also has a "quasi" redeeming feature in the fact that he still is following his Mercurian nature of trying to make humanity change his ways through irony. Note that Kobal has always focused on irony above all other forms of humor...at least for as long as we have known him. Irony is an intellectual excorcise in which that comedy occurs because basically something comes back to haunt something 9-10. This is I think because Kobal secretly loves teaching humans lessons. Kobal certainly isn't a charming demon like Andre or well....Andre. He prefers to take the risky path by getting to know his folks instead of forcing them to like them. On some level I think he fell because he was tired of humanity's stupdity and the self righteosuness of Heaven, he may redeem because at least Angels are doing something about it since Hell is JUST as self righteous really and encouraging it. B:) Kobal is extremely bored with screwing people over (pardon my Impudite) He's made cardinals of the poor messiah extoll the virtues of wealth, he's made religeons of peace call for "holy war", he's made Regis Philbman a household name....what else is there to do. Basically Kobal has messed over every single way one can possibly mess someone over including triggering a premature apcolypse and falling a Malakim. No new horizons if you catch my drift and the Prince of Chaos doesn't like that. C:) He is Kronos's enemy Perhaps Kobal isn't just envying Kronos but perhaps Kobal hates Hell's direction that Kronos is going to. Instead of enjoying oneslef to bringing about the destruction of the universe. 2:) Kobal's Big Joke possibilties A:) The Death of Lucifer What better way to mess with all those prophecies and what people are expecting for Armageddon than to kill the Lightbringer/Dragon? Timed carefully and perhaps in conjunction with Eli it will result in the annhilation of the Lord of the lower hells and plunge the Darkness into...well MORE darkness and civil war as the one stabilizing agent is annhilated. B:) The breaking of reality Maybe it will just require a few million deaths by Celestials or the destruction of a number of superiors at once but the shattering of the Symphony is a great idea in Kobal's plan. Huge gigantic rifts to Heaven and Hell and the Marches opened up pouring forth dreams, damned, demons, angels, and the like into one big frat party. C:) The Seven Seals Tying in to my personal theory that Kobal's special task is to judge when humanity had lost God's special purpose or had learned as much as it was going to learn...or really needed to be dealt with fact....and then break the Seven Seals of Revelations. Now imagine Fallen Kobal still has these things and intends to do it in a HUMOROUS way. By the way my opinion on who Kobal's worst enemy after Kronos is. A:) Novalis She's so cute, fluffy, and giggly.... ERRRRRRRRRRR DESTROY HER! (my opinion Novalis needs some serious enemies among Hell. SHE'S A THREAT CAN'T YOU SEE IT!!!) - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:20:55 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Michael's Challenge: The Value of Combat I liked this, quite a bit. Shows the way Marc thinks... Marc is one of those Archangels that it's hard to get a hang of, for me. I like any and all insights into his mind... - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Human germ!" -- Shrapnel (Decepticon), _Transformers: The Movie_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:07:04 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Why everyone should love Lilith Charles Phipps wrote: > 10. She yes is one of the few female Princes with a personality that is not> revolting but slightly seductive Out of a total population of.....two. > 9. She has an ambigious word that doesn't necessarily conjure up great > horrors like Lust, The War, the Game, or Death Technology, Fire.... > 8. She doesn't go out and promote evil so much as her own morality (and even> that is less) A matter of interpretation. > 7. She is the only "human" princess of the entire Demonic Band. That's a reason to love her? > 6. She is willing to work with Heaven as well as Hell yet she charges both> equally well (only hell is more likely to pay the costs-babysitting Iolanthe> is after a lvl 6 geas) What, are you inferring that Elizabeth == Lilith? I can't imagine where you'd get that notion. > 5. She is the only one who can make the ever so cuddly and the only TRULY> tempter based demons. Impudites. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:33:04 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Anime In Nomine: a New Idea - --On Tuesday, October 24, 2000 18:56 -0600 ben wrote: >> What do you guys think? Sounds like a possible campaign or not? > > I am going to claw my eyes out. > Take a number. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation (...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:38:12 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Novalis and threats (was Re: IN> The hopefully to someday be banned Kobal thread) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Phipps" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 8:18 PM Subject: IN> The hopefully to someday be banned Kobal thread [snip] > By the way my opinion on who Kobal's worst enemy after Kronos is. > > A:) Novalis > She's so cute, fluffy, and giggly.... > > ERRRRRRRRRRR > > DESTROY HER! > > (my opinion Novalis needs some serious enemies among Hell. SHE'S A THREAT > CAN'T YOU SEE IT!!!) When every demon lives in an environment where ability to harm/cause-fear-in-your-fellow-demon = strength = survival? When every demon is taught from relieverhood that kindness/charity = weakness? I'd be amazed at the demon that *could* recognize Novalis as a serious threat... even when she is one. - -- Chuckg "Evil will always triumph because Good is dumb." -- Nybbas "Hey, man, nice sentiment, but you like got the polarity of the neutron flow reversed and all that." -- Eli ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:38:17 -0400 From: "Jason F. McBrayer" Subject: Re: IN> Re: The inevitable dreaded anime tie-in On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 10:43:36AM -0400, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 10:21 AM -0400 10/24/00, Jason F. McBrayer wrote: > > >Argh. I suppose the Divine Inquisition will have Dominican Tank Police, > >then. > > http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/Movies/DomTankPolice.html > > Too late. Well, it was the obvious joke. I guess they could all be kyriotates... then it would be the Domination Tank Police. - -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@carcosa.net | | The scalloped tatters of the King in Yellow must hide Yhtill | | forever. R.W. Chambers _The King in Yellow_ | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:41:30 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Why everyone should love Lilith - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Edelstein" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 9:07 PM Subject: Re: IN> Why everyone should love Lilith > > 5. She is the only one who can make the ever so cuddly and the only TRULY> tempter based demons. > > Impudites. Plus, if any DM wants Lilim but doesn't want Lilith, then *shazam*, for purposes of That Campaign Only the Lilim just became one of the standard demonic Bands that any old Prince can make, even though it costs 'em a little extra effort. And then, with the exception of the (non)existence of Free Lilim, the role of Lilim in the game continues on pretty much as usual... - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:09:14 -0400 From: "Jason F. McBrayer" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Pathetic little leeches (was Thoughts About Michael) On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 11:25:45AM -0700, Maurice Lane wrote: > Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:36:31 -0400 > From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" > >What about other bands? Any ways it sucks to be a > >demon specific to servitors of a particular DP? > Azzie: Forms. Lots and lots of forms. All the time. > Lucifer help you if you cut corners, even when it's > an emergency. Especially if it's an emergency. Yes. Servitors of Asmodeus == opportunity to dust off those old Paranoia termination vouchers, loyalty tests, etc. > Malphas: Actually, this one isn't so bad. You'll get > screwed, of course, all the time, by those who are > supposed to (and _should_ be) your allies and mentors. > But if there's one thing about working for Factions, > it's that there's plenty of chances to Put the Boot > In... i.e., it's time to dust off your old Paranoia hose jobs. > Saminga: Don't bother keeping pets, unless they're > zombies. Also, Saminga promotes idiots, so get ready > to do all sorts of hairbrained schemes. Braaaiiinns....liiive braaains. I just got "All Flesh Must Be Eaten" this weekend, and already I have visions of inflicting one of the zombie earth scenarios on an unsuspecting IN party. > dangerous pieces of equipment with dubious shielding. > It's not that you've signed 55% of your body as > collateral against you breaking it. It's not even > that you'll be executed if you show up your project > leader. > > No, the problem is that you'll _still_ be filling out > the paperwork on your way to your Force-stripping... Time to dust off those old trips to the R&D department from Paranoia..... Of course, all of Vapula's latest inventions are perfectly safe and will make your next mission easy and fun. - -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@carcosa.net | | The scalloped tatters of the King in Yellow must hide Yhtill | | forever. R.W. Chambers _The King in Yellow_ | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:28:47 -0500 From: Santiago Subject: Re: IN> The hopefully to someday be banned Kobal thread >KOBAL > >Okay up front Kobal is an amusing Prince because quite frankly he's the only >one who can get away with ANYTHING in Hell up to and including faking >Armageddon and nearly getting Baal killed fighting Michael. He also has a >special task from God which may or may not be bubkiss now that he's fallen >South and he's also got a big joke planned that will ultimately change the >Symphony for the better or worse in a very dramatic way (he nearly caused >Armageddon and that wasn't it). Well, my opinion of his secret task is that it was to cause the Fall, possibly to keep God from being bored, or maybe as a means to purify humanity, or some other reason. After all, he was just about the first one that got on board with Lucifer, and who really convinced who there, eh? Then, there's the possibility that Kobal is really God. It would make a lot of sense, if you look at the world around us. Maybe the Symphony itself is the joke, and we're the punchline... >1:) Why Kobal is a prime canidate for Redemption > >B:) Kobal is extremely bored with screwing people over (pardon my Impudite) > >He's made cardinals of the poor messiah extoll the virtues of wealth, he's >made religeons of peace call for "holy war", he's made Regis Philbman a >household name....what else is there to do. Basically Kobal has messed over >every single way one can possibly mess someone over including triggering a >premature apcolypse and falling a Malakim. > >No new horizons if you catch my drift and the Prince of Chaos doesn't like >that. I don't see that redeeming really gives him all that much new in the way of options. He'd get bored with that eventually, if he didn't in the time before the Fall. And once he got bored with the whole Universe, he might decide that it's time to either improve it, expand it, or replace it. Ooh, or maybe his special task is to destroy the universe. Perhaps God told him his true name or something, and it's Kobal's job to say it backwards when he deems the universe to have gotten completely boring... - -- Santiago ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:39:16 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> Higher Heavens High -- The Expansion Set This is a lot of fun. I wonder if it could be actually worked into an existing campaign somehow... some high school kid finds an ultra-hyper-powerful relic that temporarily turns the universe inside-out, or some such. (There's one such relic IMC. It's called the Decreator, and it rewrites reality at the source-code level. Mariel, the late and unlamented Princess of Oblvion, spent several thousand years developing it, using stuff that she stole from the Library at the Fall... her intent was to hit "delete all" and fix the hideous mistake that we call the Universe. Lucifer arranged for Mariel's removal, but the impossibly powerful Decreator has been bouncing around the corporeal plane ever since. I'm imagining some unhappy tenth grader picking it up...) Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:41:03 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> Michael's Challenge: The Value of Combat Good piece. Yes, Marc is tough. I'm looking forward to his expanded writeup (and who is doing that, anyhow?) Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:31:57 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Census In a message dated 10/24/00 3:31:32 PM Central Daylight Time, emccoy@nh.ultranet.com writes: << >How come we can't have any long-winded, drawn-out, eventually-banned threads >about a cool superior, like Kobal? I dunno. Start one and I'll see if it gets to the "banned" state. O:> >> Ummmm. How about Fanfic Wars 3! First Dom, then Mike, now Kobal! Everyone write a Kobal practical joke! Reverend Brian A. Rogers BillionSix@aol.com ICQ# 22544590 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:43:02 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Census - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 12:31 AM Subject: Re: IN> Census > Ummmm. How about Fanfic Wars 3! First Dom, then Mike, now Kobal! Everyone > write a Kobal practical joke! Once upon a time, Kobal subscribed to an RPG mailing list. Using an AOL account, he then asked the overly creative inhabitants of that list to post all their ideas for some really wicked practical jokes. They posted and posted, coming up with some of the most creative things ever seen under the sun. (Indeed, Kobal wondered if Eli hadn't been lurking on the list.) And all the while, Kobal was busy hitting 'File -- Save As' over and over again as the new posts came in. And when he had enough, he printed them all out, took them back to Hell, and got to work. And thus it was that Kobal, who'd gotten stale and ran out of good ideas of his own, still hung on to his Word and his position. Because a group of RPG'ers who'd made, played, and enjoyed a game about *angels* were doing *all* his work for him. And he laughed and he laughed and he laughed and he laughed... - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 06:00:04 GMT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Pathetic little leeches (was Thoughts About Michael) Kronos: Everything that Kronos gives to his servitors comes with a horrible price attached. Relics are fated to have unhappy consequences for the demon and the things it most loves (what, you don't believe an inanimate object can have a fate? How little you know ...) The band attunements drive them slowly insane. This is as inevitable as it is unavoidable. This fuels the sense of unavoidable fatality that infects Fate's ranks so deeply -- your fate is lined up and coming for you, and there is nothing that you can do to avoid it. When it happens, they simply accept that it was so fated from the moment of their creation. Generally speaking, the more he appears to be rewarding a servitor, the harsher the sting in the tail will turn out to be. It's still a reward of course, his punishments are much nastier, but rather more subtle. Frex: All Kronos' Balseraphs eventually succumb to schizophrenia, as the glimmers of the true symphony that they can hear turn into psychotic hallucinations. All Kronos' Impudites eventually lose track of 'reality', completely losing their sense of time and unable to distinguish between the past and the present. A lot of them become depressed and get into heavy drug-taking, which doesn't necessarily help. jo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:05:53 -0700 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> Higher Heavens High -- The Expansion Set This had me cracking up! :D If you don't mind, I'd like to do one or two myself. :) - ------------------------------------------------- Christopher--"Chris" (Freshman): Christopher is among the newest kids at Higher Heavens High this year, having just been graduated from Junior High. Christopher--Chris to most others--is developing a reputation as a rather sweet, shy young man who is not very vocal, but is quite strong-willed beneath that meek exterior. His grades are only average so far, but he can be seen often in the guidance office of Mr. Yves, asking for help. The one thing Chris is rapidly becoming known for, is his work with the children. No one's really sure why, but some of the Bad Kids whisper that Chris works with kids because he is such a runt. Chris ignores them, save where it woks against his time in working with the young. He's not much for sports or much physical activity. Chris might seem a little reticient, but he's quite fun once you get to know him. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:50:25 GMT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: Novalis and threats (was Re: IN> The hopefully to someday be banned Kobal thread) >From: "Charles Glasgow" > > > (my opinion Novalis needs some serious enemies among Hell. SHE'S A >THREAT > > CAN'T YOU SEE IT!!!) > >When every demon lives in an environment where ability to >harm/cause-fear-in-your-fellow-demon = strength = survival? When every >demon is taught from relieverhood that kindness/charity = weakness? > >I'd be amazed at the demon that *could* recognize Novalis as a serious >threat... even when she is one. > I'd always assumed that Andrealphas spends the most time in combatting Novalis (she is actually much more of a threat to his powerbase than Eli could be. Eli should be opposing Nybbas.) Yes, I know that's not what it says in S2, but I don't agree with canon there. jo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:03:07 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Higher Heavens High -- The Expansion Set - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles E Smith" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 2:05 AM Subject: Re: IN> Higher Heavens High -- The Expansion Set > This had me cracking up! :D If you don't mind, I'd like to do one or two > myself. :) Mind? This is an open-contribution event! - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:36:09 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Higher Heavens High -- The Expansion Set Hmmm... lemme see if I can work in one Bad Kid... "B.L." (Senior) -- Nobody at Higher Heavens High -- not even the faculty -- knows what the initials stand for, and anybody who transferred over from from Sheol High who does know isn't talking. B.L. was the best athlete and the worst bully at Sheol High, who could run faster, hit harder, lift bigger, jump higher, and dive deeper than any of his fellow students -- at least in his old school. Life was pretty durn good at Sheol High when you had the power to fold up any other member of the student body like an accordion, and weren't afraid to use it... Ever since transferring to Higher Heavens High though, B.L. has *not* been a happy camper. Him and Big Mike get along about as well as two Siamese fighting fish in a very small glass of water, because Mike is the first guy B.L's ever met that he couldn't get one up on one way or the other. Beating Big Mike has become B.L's obsession, his own personal white whale. Unfortunately, Mr. Dominic has made *quite* certain that him and Mike are never assigned to the same class periods, gym periods, or lunch periods, and has also made it Absolutely Clear that any fighting between those two will result in Major Pain for both of them. So B.L. is confined to trying to beat Mike's performance records in sports (but for every one he's managed to break so far, Big Mike sets a new one the next day), trying to bully Mike's friends (when he can get away with it -- he's not used to a high school where they actually *watch* the hallways), and trying to out-brag and out-boast Mike (which, since he hasn't backed them up yet, is futility incarnate). One of the most dominant members of the Bad Kid faction, B.L. spends what little time and effort he doesn't waste on trying to show up Mike on planning new ways for him and his whole clique to make life miserable for everybody in the school... Note -- the *one* way that B.L. doesn't try to show up Mike is girls. B.L. thinks that girls are all wussy and useless and that Novy (Mike might not want to *admit* that he's hopelessly in love with her, but it's one of the worst-kept open secrets in school) is the epitome of uselessness squared. As far as B.L. is concerned, the more time and effort Big Mike wastes in hanging out with Gurls rather than devoting it to Real Man Stuff the better. Besides, what with all the steroids B.L. has been abusing ever since grade school, it's not like he's *able* to get very interested in girls anyway... This year, however, promises to bring new levels of challenge between them. For despite everything the faculty can do to keep these two separated, they *can't* prevent B.L. from trying out for varsity sports with the beginning of the new semester... and B.L. intends to try out for everything he can reach. And no matter what else happens during this upcoming school year, both him and Mike know that as soon as the end of the year arrives and Graduation is over and done with and they are no longer under the authority of Mr. Dominic, the two of them *WILL* meet as foretold in the parking lot... and then the Final Battle of legend will commence... - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1874 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.