From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Oct 26 06:37:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA27462 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 06:37:38 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id FAA18622 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 05:23:28 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 05:23:28 -0600 Message-Id: <200002171123.FAA18622@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1877 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, February 17 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1877 In this digest: Re: IN> An actual, non-weird question. IN> Heavengly High IN> Heavenly High School-The Tall Girl : Re: IN> Higher Heavens High -- The Expansion Set Re: IN> Re: Pathetic little leeches (was Thoughts About Michael) : IN> Minor Choir/Band update status Re: IN> An actual, non-weird question. Re: Novalis and threats (was Re: IN> The hopefully to someday be banned Kobal thread) IN>HHH in a campaign Re: IN> An actual, non-weird question. Re: IN>HHH in a campaign IN> A few Saintly questions Re: IN> A few Saintly questions Re: IN> A few Saintly questions Re: IN> A few Saintly questions IN> OT: Question(s) about the list Re: IN> OT: Question(s) about the list IN> IN hardcover question Re: IN> Re: Pathetic little leeches (was Thoughts About Michael) Re: IN> IN hardcover question Re: IN> Higher Heavens High -- The Misfits Re: IN> Higher Heavens High -- The Faculty Re: Novalis and threats (was Re: IN> The hopefully to someday be banned Kobal thread) IN> Time to crack open the Can of EEE-VILLLL... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:25:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> An actual, non-weird question. Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:23:52 GMTFrom: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> An actual, non-weird question. > > Here's the problem: 'cuz it's a Celestial Discord, > > IIRC there's going to be the regain of Essence > > problem >Find a (wimpy) Impudite and bully it into giving you >Essence when you need it. Problem solved. And just >hope that you don't feel the urge to be too >selfless to the Taker ... (and other helpful suggestions) Err. I forgot to bring up two facts that, all things considered, are slightly more important than I had first considered: 1) The campaign area is IOU; and 2) My Calabite PC (through a complicated series of events involving a doublecross, a Game hit squad, a malfunctioning Body Bag and a deep fear of Limbo) is currently in the vessel of a small grey squirrel*. (pause) Hey, I never said that the _character_ wasn't weird... ;) Moe *With Addiction/3 (tobacco) as his beginning Discord... ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:17:53 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Heavengly High >I did see that version, and I was going to ignore this post, but I decided >that I had to respond. Good for you. Everyone should have a response though I prefer my own versions; it's a status thing :-) I personally can't see Lilith as ANY sort of authority figure whatsoever. It is utterly completely antiethical to her very nature but I'm glad your participating... and EEEEEeeeeeeee To those Andre twins. I personally prefer to think Andre just dresses up like a girl. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:28:19 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Heavenly High School-The Tall Girl Here's my Arch-student of Protection! This is based on personal experience and a close friend of mine. Dedicated to you Elizabeth. "Zap" Zadikiel (Freshman) Zap is quite possibly the most cheerful gal you'll find without involving Novalis...she's also...well...big. Zap is a wonderful personality and fun to be about but...errr well some of the guys are uncomfortable around her. Zap isn't unnattractive she's just kinduv tall, broadshouldered, and well...really intimidating. It started really when she found Fufur and Belial beating up on a freshmen that the quiet young gal literally tossed both boys around to the point that neither was sensible after it for the rest of the day (not as they normally are) and while it got her sent to Mr. Dominic the Assistant Princible (and resident Detention master), she unfortunately has continued her hobby of making the bad folk pay for anytime they pick on someone smaller. While Larry, Mike, and David are happy about this...it kinduv leaves them feeling like their position is being usurped. Novy and Blandine though have let her in the click and are trying to teach her cheerleading even though she has the grace of an ox and can kick the ball harder than Baal (to his eternal ribbing). Zap has a crush though on Laurence and frankly she while she's always around her hasn't got the self confidence to approach him...especially since he can't stop humilating himself in front of Blandine [1]. Ironically Chris has a puppy love thing for HER because he was the freshman she saved [2] [1] Just a relationship I'd thought I'd mention my fondness for. [2] Another weirdness I'd thought I'd expound on from Eldenstein's pages. God bless you my little writer. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:35:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: : Re: IN> Higher Heavens High -- The Expansion Set I'm surprised no-one's mentioned this one yet (unless they have, and I've just missed it): You know, captaining the football team didn't go straight from Mike to Larry. People try to forget it, though, 'cuz the interim guy just didn't work out. Now, you could make the case that it wasn't Yuri's fault: he _was_ hastily tapped for the position after Mike spent one too many times in detention. Being a foreign exchange student probably didn't make him any more popular, either: the others had difficulty seeing past the accent and the different body language. But he _did_ have a natural talent for the game, and taught Larry a lot about football (though Mike, of course, thinks that _he_ taught Larry more). And he was certainly successful in leading the team to victories over Ethereal High. That was the problem, really: he was too successful. Yuri either forgot (or was encouraged to discount) the fact that he was just playing a game. He encouraged the other players to win, no matter what, and the injuries on both sides were mounting. It all came to a head when Thomas 'Hammer' Orr, the quarterback for Ethereal High, got sent to the hospital under questionable circumstances during a game. You see, Blandy's family used to live next door to the Orrs, and she grew up with Tommy. She raised a stink and a half over the incident, and it eventually got so bad that Yuri's dad insisted that he come back home. Shortly after that Larry got the captain spot. But the team under Yuri _did_ win, and he had his fans. They huddle at the edges of the stands, but never ever join the rest of the crowd. Probably they hope that Yuri will come back next semester and play again. But that couldn't happen... could it? ;) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:50:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Re: Pathetic little leeches (was Thoughts About Michael) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:13:51 -0400From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Re: Pathetic little leeches (was Thoughts About Michael) - - --On Tuesday, October 24, 2000 23:09 -0400 "Jason F. McBrayer" wrote:> >> Yes. Servitors of Asmodeus == opportunity to dust >> off those old Paranoia termination vouchers, >> loyalty tests, etc. >>[snip] >> i.e., it's time to dust off your old Paranoia hose >> jobs. >>[snip] >> Time to dust off those old trips to the R&D >>department from Paranoia.....> > You make it sound like we ever even *thought* about >putting all those wonderful toys away! Indeed. Why, I'd write up a Paranoia/IN crossover _this_ _second_ if it weren't for the unfortunate fact that 5th Edition, frankly, (bleep). Alpha Complex would make a good model for a Princi... Good merciful Lord. Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:09:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: : IN> Minor Choir/Band update status Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:11:43 -0500From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Minor Choir/Band update status Maurice Lane wrote: >> Hey, did we miss a new Minor Choir/Band challenge in >> the mass of new stuff lately? The last one I >> remember was Belial. > I guess I should plug an article I wrote some time > ago: > http://www.amadan.org/Innomine/MinorBands.htm. > Six minor Bands: Brutes, Dopplegangers, Salamanders, >Discordians, Devourers, and Wailers, for your reading >pleasure. > - -David I had forgotten about those. Thanks for the reminder. But the fix never lasts, man. The fix never lasts... Moe (Just got my S4 playtest comp, so I'll be channelling minor Superiors for a few days. And building weird gadgets, no doubt. Whoo-hoo!) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:15:52 -0500 From: "Tafka J." Subject: Re: IN> An actual, non-weird question. At 6:25 PM -0700 10/25/00, Maurice Lane wrote: > 1) The campaign area is IOU; and I've noticed that IOU is a good place to stage highly bemusing mixed bag campaigns. . . It gets more fun when the ArchDean is _really_ involved in things. Pity the one campaign I _know_ of, is on hiatus due to an Impudite. (Hey, now the ArchDean hasta fork over 10%!!!) > 2) My Calabite PC (through a complicated series of > events involving a doublecross, a Game hit squad, a > malfunctioning Body Bag and a deep fear of Limbo) is > currently in the vessel of a small grey squirrel*. > > *With Addiction/3 (tobacco) as his beginning Discord... *ripple-blink* Moe? Have you seriously considered therapy? };;;> Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur # http://www.thrifty.net/~tafkaj/in-nomine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:39:16 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: Novalis and threats (was Re: IN> The hopefully to someday be banned Kobal thread) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ben" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 6:57 PM Subject: Re: Novalis and threats (was Re: IN> The hopefully to someday be banned Kobal thread) > > for or duped by Factions. Or maybe Dark Humor, if Kobal's branched out > > into political jokes. The Media could care less, just so long as somebody > > Branched out? Branched?! You offend all true Kobal fanboys with your > impertinent remarks. Kobal *invented* political jokes. Hmmm... now that you point it out, a definite possibility. > He also invented amateur political punditry; nothing amuses him more than > ignorant voters. Now that's a *definite*. > So ironic! So devilish! A thousand curses on you for your > out-in-left-field misinterpretation of the dark one! Great, now there's a mustard-gas filled whoopee cushion out there with my name on it. > And regardless of one's political opinion of Kyoto (which is colored by half > a dozen different factors; you can paint it as the saviour of humanity or > the destruction of life as we know it, whichever your particular agenda > requires), it's reasonable to guess that Novalis may have *initiated it*, > but Malphas, Furfur, Furfur? > and maybe Haagenti *Haagenti*? OK, now that *is* thinking outside the box -- I'll be fascinated to hear what you think those two have got going re: ecology and international politics... > *co-opted* it and made it theirs. > She just couldn't take the tag-teaming and is > now trying to salvage of it what she can, with an > assist from Marc. Marc shoulda been in on it from stage one. Novy, Novy, Novy -- you have to learn when to make something a joint mission from the getgo! Flowers are *not* good point men... - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:43:02 EDT From: Zeresh43@gateway.net Subject: IN>HHH in a campaign I don't usually submit to the list, but after reading the flurry of posts on the Higher Heavens High, I happened to have an idea for actually using these characters in a regular, more-or-less normal (but slightly non-canonical) campaign. Two words: Ko Bal. Kobal comes to angelic PCs in a great disturbance of the symphony, with lots of dramatics as if he's an archangel. He'll pretend to be whoever the most well-liked archangel amonst the party is, and send the players on a mission. They are to infiltrate a certain high school and check for evidence of servants of . Kobal gives them roles and vessels, and sends them off. To Higher Heavens High, a creation of his deep within the Far Marches, away from the eyes of other superiors. The players have to solve a puzzle to get out, and as they spend time there, that puzzle will become clear to them: figure out who every single student or administrator that relates to an actual superior is. Once they've got all that, their escape is set. But before that happens, plenty of opportunities for bad puns, cheezy jokes, and weird encounters abound. Just a fun little diversion that i happened to think of, though it's not very original. Clear Skies Zach "I know who you are! You're the Dee Eee Vee Eee um...Eye El." - --Delerium of the Endless "Don't drink the sludge at the bottom of your coffee cup. Don't drink the cup either. Just the coffee." - --Destruction of the Endless ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:46:44 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> An actual, non-weird question. >Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:23:52 GMTFrom: "Jo Hart" > >Subject: Re: IN> An actual, non-weird question. >> > Here's the problem: 'cuz it's a Celestial >Discord, >> > IIRC there's going to be the regain of Essence >> > problem >>Find a (wimpy) Impudite and bully it into giving you >>Essence when you need it. Problem solved. And just >>hope that you don't feel the urge to be too >>selfless to the Taker ... > >(and other helpful suggestions) > >Err. I forgot to bring up two facts that, all things >considered, are slightly more important than I had >first considered: > >1) The campaign area is IOU; and >2) My Calabite PC (through a complicated series of >events involving a doublecross, a Game hit squad, a >malfunctioning Body Bag and a deep fear of Limbo) is >currently in the vessel of a small grey squirrel*. > >(pause) > >Hey, I never said that the _character_ wasn't weird... > ;) > >Moe > >*With Addiction/3 (tobacco) as his beginning Discord... Hmmm... well, here's a possibility. This being IOU, I daresay The Treatment would have at least the side effect of granting Essence Control. Find a faculty member and make a deal... how much do you really want the Essence? And I'm *sure* there are Ethereals hanging around, who might be willing to do the same. Not to mention the incredible number of students who are witches, ghosts, and various other Things[tm] which regenerate Essence and know how to handle it. Of course, IOU's just chock full of weird objects that Do Stuff, so maybe there's a relic or two in a discard pile. ("What's this do?" "It looks like every 24 hours it just becomes itself, really hard." "Useless. Chuck it. Next?") At the very outside, there's the Dean-mon, who (seeing as how he works at IOU) might actually be willing to share and keep the secret, for a steep price. (Unless you think he's a male version of Hatiphas, but then I can't help you there.) William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:04:41 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN>HHH in a campaign - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 9:43 PM Subject: IN>HHH in a campaign > I don't usually submit to the list, but after reading the flurry of posts on > the Higher Heavens High, I happened to have an idea for actually using these > characters in a regular, more-or-less normal (but slightly non-canonical) > campaign. Two words: Ko Bal. Kobal comes to angelic PCs in a great > disturbance of the symphony, with lots of dramatics as if he's an archangel. > He'll pretend to be whoever the most well-liked archangel amonst the party > is, First off, I'm going to list why this doesn't work as written. This is because I'm a mean, nasty SOB who cannot accept any interpretation of HHS save his own. Actually, it's because I want this to work, and step one of making something work is debugging it, and step one of debugging is finding and listing the bugs... a) Per GMG, any Servitor can immediately recognize his own Superior on sight, no matter what -- unless his Superior is running the Superiors' Built-In Romulan Cloaking Device at full power. (IOW, choosing to not be recognized as a Superior *at all*). b) Per GMG, the general aura they radiate usually tells anybody else who isn't a Servitor of theirs what Superior it is anyway. Example -- if Beleth shows up disguised in 60's gear with blonde hair, flowers, sandals, etc -- you still won't mistake her for Novalis for a second. 'Cause Beleth is radiating that aura of fear, gloom, doom, and things that go bump in the night and send chills down your spine, which doesn't feel one single thing like the aura of happiness, peace, lets-get-mellow, I'm-so-happy-to-see-you that Novalis broadcasts at 200 feet in the dark. c) Of course, if the DM doesn't mind mind-controlling the players, Superior-level Songs and/or Balseraphic Resonances can make the players forget that they'd spotted anythign wrong on first sight... assuming that your players won't get bent out of shape by such "direct" tactics. - ---------- Baal, showing up in a young handsome vessel with a gleaming sword -- "I, Archangel Laurence, Commander Of The Host, task thee with a vital mission..." Angel 1 (whispering) -- "This feels *nothing* like Laurence. Blood, death, carnage, aura? Absolutely all wrong from the last time Laurence spoke to me in person. I vote we start surreptitously inching towards the door..." Angel 2 (whispering) -- "I vote likewise." Baal (who's got better hearing than they gave him credit for) -- "You believe that I am the Archangel Laurence with all your heart and soul, and are overcome with awe and wonder that I would trust you with so important a mission." *SUPERIOR-LEVEL BALSERAPH RESONANCE* Angel 1 and Angel 2, kneeling -- "Hail, Archangel Laurence, gladly and humbly do we greet thee...." - ---------- However, many players hate it when stuff like this happens... > and send the players on a mission. They are to infiltrate a certain high > school and check for evidence of servants of prince. Kobal gives them roles and vessels, and sends them off. To Higher > Heavens High, a creation of his deep within the Far Marches, away from the > eyes of other superiors. The players have to solve a puzzle to get out, and > as they spend time there, that puzzle will become clear to them: figure out > who every single student or administrator that relates to an actual superior > is. OK, let's try to develop concept further -- yes, I'm Jeaning your idea, but hey -- anybody actually going to use this as an adventure would have to do all the nuts-and-bolts design work like this *anyway*, so might as well get some of it done now... a) Why is Kobal doing something that would take this kind of time and effort? Is he just filming the angels staggering around and selling the tapes to Shal-Mari Productions? (Possible) Or is there a darker purpose? b) Who are the other actors on this sound stage? *What* are they? c) How did he get you not to notice that you're in the Marches? Especially since he's an Impudite, not a Balseraph? > Once they've got all that, their escape is set. But before that > happens, plenty of opportunities for bad puns, cheezy jokes, and weird > encounters abound. Just a fun little diversion that i happened to think of, > though it's not very original. Actually, the concept of VR'ing some poor helpless angels *is*... *idea twitch* Kobal-Vapulan plot. Vapula just wants to test his new super-VR-Matrix-thingy in some hidden lab on Earth. The preliminary tests had a problem with subjects snapping out of it in mid-simulation when confronted with something that was not sufficiently believable. Well, Vapula thinks the v2.0 has fixed that bug, and he so he needed a simulation run that would really test the minds within it to their limit (IOW, if he can get angels to believe *this* without waking up from the illusion right away, then it's obviously a five-star wonder). Kobal was happy to supply Vap with the twistiest script he could think of, in trade for a few gizmos for some of his own Big Pranks to be named at a later date... .. and they *are* recording all the server log tapes for future sale to Nybbas and Shal-Mari Productions. *g* This also fixes the Superior problem above -- grab angels, conk on head, drag to lab, fuzz up short-term memory with Sinister Vapulan Gadget, then load into the Matrix. The "Archangel Briefing" can take place there. Ahhhhh... simsense, the toy of the 21st-century. Or will be, if they ever get it out of alpha test. Brought to you by Vaputech (tm). - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:19:13 -0400 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> A few Saintly questions Hey guys, I'm currently playing the first Saint in the history of World Weavers In Nomine and I don't have my copy of the CPG with me right now (stupid! stupid!). I was wondering if you guys could hook me up with a few facts. 1) I know Saints themselves don't cause Symphonic disturbance, but do Saints count as humans for the purpose of Celestials disturbing the Symphony? Say a demon gives the saint a good whack upside the head, does it make a noise (besides the loud smack)? 2) I know that Saints are Blessed by default and it's hard to resonate on them, but can they be possessed by Shedim or Kyriotates at all? I'd think Shedim would just love to get their multiple limbs on a Saint, pure souls and all. 3) Can Saints father or bear children with other humans or Grigori? Mine is currently a priest and so I don't expect this to happen, but . . . it might come up. 4) If an Impudite kills a Saint, does he get dissonance? 5) If Saints don't get an Archangel's dissonant conditions, don't get a choir attunement, and don't necessarily get any servitor attunements, what exactly attaches a given Saint to a given Superior (besides loyalty and gratitude for a vessel)? What exactly can an Archangel do to a Saint that has angered him? 6) Can Saints use tethers just like normal Celestials? 7) Being nothing more than human souls in vessels, wouldn't it be possible for a Saint to go to Hell? How easily would it be to detect them among the crowds of damned souls? Would the twin angels guarding the gates even let them in (since they aren't supposed to be there)? 8) I remember the CPG saying that Saints have their own dreamscapes in the Marches, but can they choose not to dream, say if they suspect some demons might be waiting to get them in their sleep? 9) Last but not least, can Saints summon their Archangels? Thanks a bunch. Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:50:22 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> A few Saintly questions Jonathan Walton wrote: > 1) I know Saints themselves don't cause Symphonic disturbance, but do > Saints count as humans for the purpose of Celestials disturbing the > Symphony? Yes. > 2) I know that Saints are Blessed by default and it's hard to resonate on> them, but can they be possessed by Shedim or Kyriotates at all? Yes, they can. But they get double their Will to resist (being Blessed), so it's not likely to happen often. > 3) Can Saints father or bear children with other humans or Grigori? I don't think that's been specified. Their bodies ARE Superior-constructed vessels, but with a few "human" differences, so I'd leave it up to the GM. > 4) If an Impudite kills a Saint, does he get dissonance? Yes. Saints are human. > 5) If Saints don't get an Archangel's dissonant conditions, don't get a > choir attunement, and don't necessarily get any servitor attunements, what> exactly attaches a given Saint to a given Superior (besides loyalty and> gratitude for a vessel)? Nothing more than a common cause. They aren't bound to service the way angels are. >>> What exactly can an Archangel do to a Saint that > has angered him? Well, if the Archangel was the one who gave the Saint a vessel, he could smite the Saint's vessel, and when the soul returns to Heaven, refuse to give him another one. Of course, the Saint might then go to another Archangel, depending on the circumstances. An Archangel could also take away any attunements he's given the Saint, of course. > 6) Can Saints use tethers just like normal Celestials? Only to ascend to Heaven. > 7) Being nothing more than human souls in vessels, wouldn't it be possible> for a Saint to go to Hell? Yes, but only at an infernal Tether (not recommended....). > How easily would it be to detect them among the > crowds of damned souls? Aside from being a 7+ Force human... It would depend on how good an actor the Saint is (and how well he avoids any demons capable of reading info about him with resonances and the like). > Would the twin angels guarding the gates even let > them in (since they aren't supposed to be there)? Probably not, unless Dominic had already advised them that someone was coming in "under cover".... > 8) I remember the CPG saying that Saints have their own dreamscapes in the> Marches, but can they choose not to dream, say if they suspect some demons> might be waiting to get them in their sleep? If they sleep, they have to go to the Marches like anyone else. > 9) Last but not least, can Saints summon their Archangels? Can't recall offhand, but I think not. If so, I'd give them the -10 penalty for whomever they try to summon, since they aren't really Servitors of any Archangel. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:42:23 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> A few Saintly questions - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Walton" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 10:19 PM Subject: IN> A few Saintly questions > Hey guys, > I'm currently playing the first Saint in the history of World Weavers In > Nomine and I don't have my copy of the CPG with me right now *Chuckg reaches and grabs from the box of books near the computer* > (stupid! stupid!). I was wondering if you guys could hook me up with a few facts. > > 1) I know Saints themselves don't cause Symphonic disturbance, but do > Saints count as humans for the purpose of Celestials disturbing the > Symphony? Say a demon gives the saint a good whack upside the head, does > it make a noise (besides the loud smack)? Yes. That's a definite. > 2) I know that Saints are Blessed by default and it's hard to resonate on > them, but can they be possessed by Shedim or Kyriotates at all? I'd think > Shedim would just love to get their multiple limbs on a Saint, pure souls > and all. Kyriotates can possess the vessels of Celestials, so why not Saints? The book isn't clear on it, but the online errata says that Shedim can possess Saints. Good luck on the Will roll, though. *g* > 3) Can Saints father or bear children with other humans or Grigori? Mine > is currently a priest and so I don't expect this to happen, but . . . it > might come up. All saintly Vssels are sterile, according to the CPG. > 4) If an Impudite kills a Saint, does he get dissonance? I'd say yes. The errata says that -- "Except for their special abilities and knowledge, Saints and Bodhisattvas should be treated just like humans or Soldiers. So they regenerate at dawn and a disturbance will occur if a celestial injures or kills one." > 5) If Saints don't get an Archangel's dissonant conditions, don't get a > choir attunement, and don't necessarily get any servitor attunements, what > exactly attaches a given Saint to a given Superior (besides loyalty and > gratitude for a vessel)? What exactly can an Archangel do to a Saint that > has angered him? Take his Vessel away and send him back up to Heaven in Trauma, and then boot his soul up Jacob's Ladder? > 6) Can Saints use tethers just like normal Celestials? Yes. AAMOF, they can assume celestial form *only* inside Tethers, and Tethers are the only way they can ascend to Heaven. > 7) Being nothing more than human souls in vessels, wouldn't it be possible > for a Saint to go to Hell? Saints can follow an infernal to Hell down through an Infernal Tether, although they can't follow one to Hell outside a Tether. However, it's not considered to be the wisest of moves for a Saint to go to Hell... > How easily would it be to detect them among the > crowds of damned souls? The rules sayeth not explicitly. Given that he has to assume celestial form in Hell, however, I'd say that he has as much chance of hiding as an angel would -- i.e., none. > Would the twin angels guarding the gates even let > them in (since they aren't supposed to be there)? Given that the only known way for a Saint to go to Hell is through an Infernal Tether, which bypasses the gates... > 8) I remember the CPG saying that Saints have their own dreamscapes in the > Marches, but can they choose not to dream, say if they suspect some demons > might be waiting to get them in their sleep? Again, rules sayeth explicitly not. OTOH, since they do say that Saints can consciously travel through their sleeping dreamscapes like Celestials can... > 9) Last but not least, can Saints summon their Archangels? My own personal guess is that they can not only do so, but that they should have bonuses to their Invocation rolls. There are a lot fewer Saints than there are celestials serving any given Archangel, and Saints tend to be created only for special purposes. IOW, their Archangels have a lot invested in them. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:15:26 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> A few Saintly questions Charles Glasgow wrote: > All saintly Vssels are sterile, according to the CPG. Oops. Well, I can't remember everything, even if I wrote it. > Take his Vessel away and send him back up to Heaven in Trauma, and thenboot> his soul up Jacob's Ladder? The latter, no. Souls can't be sent up Jacob's Ladder involuntarily. > My own personal guess is that they can not only do so, but that they should> have bonuses to their Invocation rolls. There are a lot fewer Saints than> there are celestials serving any given Archangel, and Saints tend to be> created only for special purposes. IOW, their Archangels have a lot> invested in them. No more so than for Word-bound Servitors, and even a Word-bound Master doesn't get an automatic bonus to invocation rolls. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:19:09 -0700 From: "Kish" Subject: IN> OT: Question(s) about the list First: Have other people been getting messages from the list dated sometime in February? Second (assuming the answer to the first question is yes): Just out of curiosity, is this likely to get fixed at any point in the future? - -- Kish ICQ#: 28085879 AIM: Kish K M Kish_K@mindspring.replacewithcom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:20:11 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> OT: Question(s) about the list - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kish" To: "In-Nomine" Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 11:19 PM Subject: IN> OT: Question(s) about the list > First: Have other people been getting messages from the list dated > sometime in February? I haven't been, can't say as to anyone else's experience... - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:47:20 -0400 (EDT) From: ydobyns@princeton.edu Subject: IN> IN hardcover question Does the newly-released new edition of the IN Hardcover incorporate the current errata (at least as of its publication date)? Or is it just the original hardcover in a new printing with new art? York Dobyns ydobyns@princeton.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:50:22 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Re: Pathetic little leeches (was Thoughts About Michael) - --On Wednesday, October 25, 2000 6:50 PM -0700 Maurice Lane wrote: > Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:13:51 -0400From: Marc Bowden > > Subject: Re: IN> Re: Pathetic little leeches (was > Thoughts About Michael) > - --On Tuesday, October 24, 2000 23:09 -0400 "Jason F. > McBrayer" > wrote:> >>> Yes. Servitors of Asmodeus == opportunity to dust >>> off those old Paranoia termination vouchers, >>> loyalty tests, etc. >>> [snip] >>> i.e., it's time to dust off your old Paranoia hose >>> jobs. >>> [snip] >>> Time to dust off those old trips to the R&D >>> department from Paranoia.....> > >> You make it sound like we ever even *thought* about >> putting all those wonderful toys away! > > Indeed. Why, I'd write up a Paranoia/IN crossover > _this_ _second_ if it weren't for the unfortunate fact > that 5th Edition, frankly, (bleep). Alpha Complex > would make a good model for a Princi... > > Good merciful Lord. > I was *waiting* for someone else to think of that. =) Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:11:54 -0500 From: Andrew Hackard Subject: Re: IN> IN hardcover question At 08:47 PM 25/10/00 -0400, ydobyns@princeton.edu wrote: >Does the newly-released new edition of the IN Hardcover incorporate the >current errata (at least as of its publication date)? FYI, whenever SJ Games does a new printing of a book, we strive to fix all known errata. Sometimes it's not possible ("I left out these three paragraphs from the introduction"), and sometimes we don't catch everything. But as someone who's just done errata sweeps on three upcoming reprints (Supers, Celtic Myth, and one I can't discuss yet), I assure you that we don't take the errata lightly. (This is why the GURPS errata are broken down by printing, incidentally.) >Or is it just the >original hardcover in a new printing with new art? To my knowledge, very little to none of the art is new. What it is, however, is grayscale, in the interest of holding the cost down and still producing an attractive and sturdy book. - -- Choosing between Bush and Gore is like choosing | hackard@io.com whether to be circumcised with a nail file or a | AIM: Talthybias spork -- either way, I'm not interested. | ICQ: 19083015 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 06:56:57 +0100 From: "I. Inayat" Subject: Re: IN> Higher Heavens High -- The Misfits Hmm... 'Hawg' (Junior) - Most people know Hawg as Sheol High's resident eating machine and heavyweight wrestler (some have suggested he try out for _sumo_ wrestling; they're usually found on the football field, severely trampled). Most people _also_ think he hasn't got the brains of a football. They're wrong. (Don't ask what happened to Mary and 'Messy', back at Sheol High. Word has it they were lucky to leave the place _alive_ after Hawg was done with them...) You name it, he can get it for you; alcohol, cigarettes, luxury foods that not even Marcus could get his hands on. Other students wonder, a little nervously, just how he does it (and some wonder about his surname, 'Genti'...). And he _will_ let you have them... just so long as you buy him lunch for... oh, say the next month? (which'll be on _top_ of all the lunches he takes from the other students...) He also has a small protection racket going. Feed him, and he won't beat you up. Oddly enough, though, he _does_ have a talent for Home Ec... (which his brother Kobal finds _very_ funny...) Imran ('kay. So... Just Val, Kobal and Mal to do (and Fleurity and Mammon) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 07:39:17 +0100 From: "I. Inayat" Subject: Re: IN> Higher Heavens High -- The Faculty Mr. Ammon (School Accountant): When Sheol High was integrated into HHH, most of the staff didn't come along (something about industrial tribunals and police investigations). HHH got Librarian Beth (the bad one), Mr. Kronos (history)... ...and the school's accountant, one Mr. Ammon. And... well, not to put a fine point on it, but Mr. Ammon is tight-fisted. *Really* tight-fisted. The kids believe he would rather do _anything_ than spend the school budget. This isn't because he wants to save money; no, he just doesn't want to spend it. He spends his time staring adoringly at the school's budget.... and wondering what it would be like to actually have all that money. (Not even that; in his mind, it's already his...and he doesn't want to give those snivelling brats _any_ of it.) It's starting to show; basic repairs and maintenance haven't been done for months, and the food's starting to get... rather generic. Mr. Dominic is seriously considering hauling Mr. Ammon in for 'a few quiet words'... unless the Principal talks to him first. There are... stories... that Mr. Ammon was nearly fired from his position at Sheol High for embezzlement. Fortunately (or not, as the case may be), the accounts were destroyed in one of those all-too-frequent fires... Imran ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 07:35:15 GMT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: Novalis and threats (was Re: IN> The hopefully to someday be banned Kobal thread) My point was just that the conference is a good example of how the world is not turning into a more environmentally friendly place in any meaningful way. (And one could also argue that of course environmental activists can do basic maths. That's why they _become_ environmental activists in the first place ...) jo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 04:36:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Time to crack open the Can of EEE-VILLLL... I recently found out that a friend of mine is starting up an IN campaign (too far away for me to actually play in, but that's another story). He plans to use some of the stuff on my site, which is flattering, of course, but that's not why I'm posting this. I'm posting this because I found out what his players (three so far, all of whom I know) are running, more or less. One's a Cherub of somebody or other, one's a Malakite of War, and the third's gonna be a Mercurian... ...of Judgement. (habbalite) Shock. Pain. Amusement. Vicious Amusement. Gloating Anticipation. (/habbalite) Now, bear in mind that I _like_ these guys, so I'm not going to try to explode their brains (well, maybe just a little), but the temptation to do something surreal is nigh-irresistable. Alas, at the moment I'm semi-burned out. Anyone got something that's really strange? :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! 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