From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Oct 26 21:38:23 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12349 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:38:22 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id VAA27600 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:37:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:37:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200010270237.VAA27600@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1880 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, October 26 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1880 In this digest: Re: IN> Kobal talks about Fallen Superiors Re: IN> A few Saintly questions Re: IN> An actual, non-weird question. Re: IN> New PC> Mr. Nice Guy Re: IN> In Anime Pyramid Notes IN> Hatiphas question IN> I was wondering why I avoided certain Bands and Choirs... Re: IN> I was wondering why I avoided certain Bands and Choirs... Re: IN> An actual, non-weird question. Re: IN>New PC> Mr. Nice Guy Re: IN> In Anime Pyramid Notes Re: IN> Hatiphas question IN> Re: Kobal's Plan Re: IN> Re: Kobal's Plan Re: IN> In Anime Pyramid Notes Re: IN> Kobal talks about Fallen Superiors Re: IN> An actual, non-weird question. Re: IN> New PC> Mr. Nice Guy Re: IN> Hatiphas question Re: IN> Hatiphas question Re: IN> In Anime Pyramid Notes Re: IN> Re: Kobal's Plan Re: IN> Reign of Steel (Re: The inevitable dreaded anime tie-in) Re: IN> Re: Kobal's Plan Re: IN> Hatiphas question Re: IN> Hatiphas question Re: IN> Hatiphas question Re: IN> Hatiphas question Re: IN> Hatiphas question Re: IN> Reign of Steel (Re: The inevitable dreaded anime tie-in) Re: IN> Hatiphas question Re: IN> Hatiphas question Subject: Re: IN> Reign of Steel (Re: The inevitable dreaded anime tie-in) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:21:22 EDT From: Galen Silversmith Subject: Re: IN> Kobal talks about Fallen Superiors > Return-Path: tcp@zoomnet.net > > Uh. Wow. I'm afraid... Just one question, where are the footnotes? > Gog, Demon Prince of Destruction * > Laurence, Demon Prince of Righteousness * > Jean, Demon Prince of Electricity > Allied: Vapula** > Associated: Vapula**, Nybbas > Hostile: Vapula** > Zadkiel, Demon Princess of Protection *** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:44:20 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> A few Saintly questions At 3:13 PM -0400 10/26/00, William J. Keith wrote: >Assuming no fundamental changes in the Saint template between versions... > >>>2) I know that Saints are Blessed by default and it's hard to resonate on >>>them, but can they be possessed by Shedim or Kyriotates at all? I'd think >>>Shedim would just love to get their multiple limbs on a Saint, pure souls >>>and all. >> >>I think they can be, but it's Real Hard. > >Interesting. G:IN doesn't mention this at all. The only attribute increase >is to HT; not much of a change to anything possession-oriented. Humans have a much higher Will to start with in GURPS, so it seemed less necessary. >>I don't think do, any more than a normal human could -- humans require >>sleep. They might do a _little_ better staying up late, but... >>I think many can lucid dream, though? Or is that just Dreams ones? > >Lucid Dreaming is an Innate Skill for all Saints. From the description it >looks like Saints appear in a dreamscape, but can use the skill normally to >collapse their dreamscape and appear in the Marches. That's how I'd visualize it. Yeah, I think CPG says they all get lucid dreaming. >G:IN says no. The ability can be purchased separately during character >creation or later, as the Divine Favor advantage, varying with cost by >Superior. In IN, the cost as a separate feature would seem to range from 0 >to 13 points. One of the places where original IN and GURPS have a serious case of disconnect. O:> (Another one, for the curious, is that ALL Band/Choir Attunements cost 5 points (and a GM story) in IN, while ALL Servitor Attunements cost 10. (And the story.) In GIN, the Divine Favor has the points calculated in before the GM "gives" them to you. In IN, Divine Favor is the default, and worth no points either way... Anyway, see p. 80 of GIN -- the -10 penalty is modified by "granted notice." Up to the GM to decide if the Superior has granted notice. I'd delve into this disconnect more and decide if it's errata or too complex to translate, but Iolanthe keeps trying to grab the books, stuff them in her mouth, or crumple the pages... - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:48:30 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> An actual, non-weird question. At 2:34 PM -0500 10/26/00, Eeyore wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: Elizabeth McCoy >>Actually, if the GM is using the "sanctuary" model of IOU, you >>_could_ have an ex-Gamester. Especially if as a squirrel, since >>if you stay in squirrel-infested areas, no one is likely to spot >>you till you light up. Or eat a cigarette. > >Would a Gamester in a squirrel vessel be able to use the Humanity >attunement? Or would he need to get the Rodentia attunement? I think I'd let the squirrelGamester get away with using Humanity to duplicate the "natural" state of its vessel. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:26:44 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> New PC> Mr. Nice Guy >"Mr. Nice Guy" > >Derek > >Mercurian of Judgement I _like_ this one. And watching his fellow Mercs react to him should be an extra bonus treat. >Vessel: Human 2/ Charisma +1 Looks like Ferris Bueller, of course. Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Oct 2000 13:35:08 -0700 From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> In Anime Pyramid Notes On Thu, 26 October 2000, "Yeager, Alex" wrote: > It's Homecoming week, and each student organization has to build a Dear God. I can't get Moon Unit Zappa's "Homecoming Queen's Got a Gun" out of my head now.... Laurence, if course, would be elected King. But I imagine stiff competition between Lilly and Gabrielle. Moe, work your elfin magic on this idea. I'm not sufficiently warped enough to develop it properly. - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:36:01 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: IN> Hatiphas question Hatiphas, the Demon of Sorcery, is a Balseraph of Fate with the Mercurian attunement. Now, I see how being able to resonate humans' hobbies, friends, goals, etc., would be handy in her job. But... wouldn't the dissonance conditions hobble her rather severely? Her writeup notes that she "systematically destroys" sorcerors who can't be corrupted... obviously she's going to have to systematically _indirectly_ destroy them, or she's going to be a quivering mass of Discord before too long. If I'm interpreting this right, she can't even defend herself if a Sorceror attacks her. And (separate question), the Symphony doesn't consider working all-out to damn a human to Hell as violence against that human? OK, obviously not, or the Merc attunement would be almost useless to Fate-Bals. Still... Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:50:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> I was wondering why I avoided certain Bands and Choirs... ...and now I know why. Not like me at all. :) Morgan (SAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Would you believe that I wrote up this one while listening to the Indigo Girls?* *"Ogiel like In-di-go Girls, too. Hulk Smash anyone who mean to them." Professor Reynolds was late for his class, and that never amused him. Nothing ever amused him, really, and the little voice that was supposed to ask him why was finally almost silent after all these years. His habitual scowl was a little deeper as he rushed as much as someone in his exalted position as a tenured professor of philosophy would allow. He didn't bother to slow down as he turned a corner: if there were someone on the other side, they'd just have to get out of his way. They didn't. The collision was fairly spectacular. Getting up and brushing himself off (ignoring the person he ran into, naturally), the teacher growled, "Why couldn't you watch where you're going?" "Why can't you, you big lumbering ox?" came the slightly muffled voice from the ground. "No, don't bother helping me up. You'd probably crack my other ribs." Professor Reynolds wasn't in the habit of hearing people talking back to him. "Excuse me?" "I'm sorry. You must be deaf, as well as clumsy." "Clumsy? Me? Why…" And the argument was off, the professor forgetting his class completely as he began shouting; his victim, a severe-looking woman of about his age, began shouting right back. A crowd soon gathered to watch. Far in the back, a quiet male figure began chuckling as he contemplated a job well done... until he recognized someone from the Other Side. *Now, this would never do.* The male sidled along, grinning inwardly at the sight of his fellow-celestial looking panicked at the disaster raging in front of them. The poor bastard was so befuddled that he didn't even realize that he had been spotted until he felt the knife blade pressing at his vessel's kidney. The male hissed, "Let's go... and no sudden movements, and no shouts. Let's leave these two to work out their new lives together, shall we?" His victim, sweating, acquiesced as the two retreated to a convenient alcove. There, the male quickly frisked and shackled his fellow-celestial, grunting with laughter as he noted the lack of weapons. *Typical of the arrogant scum: they think that their boss is protection enough. Mine isn't nearly as idiotic.* The male, when finished, leaned back casually. "Take a good look at Earth: you probably won't be seeing it for a while. Now, any second now..." The male was interrupted by the soft, final sound that comes from the Symphony when a human's Destiny or Fate is decided. In this case, the sound was oddly doubled. His vessel's eyes sparkled at the sound; his captive wailed faintly as dissonance entangled his soul. "Ah. Like fine wine, that is. Well, time for you to go make your report." The male leaned over and casually cut the throat of his retching captive. "Oh, by the way... "Be sure and say hi to Kronos for me," said the Mercurian of Destiny. Grendel Mercurian of Destiny Corporeal Forces: 4 Strength: 8 Agility: 8 Ethereal Forces: 4 Intelligence: 8 Precision: 8 Celestial Forces: 5 Will: 12 Perception: 8 Vessel: human male/3 Skills: Artistry/2 (poetry), Dodge/2, Emote/1, Fighting/4, Knowledge (Fate/3, Literature/2), Move Silently/1, Ranged Weapon/2 (shotgun), Small Weapon/4 (knife), Tactics/1 Role: "Gregory Billings": wandering professor-author/2, status/4 Songs: Charm (Celestial/1), Entropy (Celestial/1), Light (Celestial/3), Shields (Corporeal/1, Celestial/1) Attunements: Mercurian of Destiny, Divine Destiny Relics: Force Shackles/3, big knife/3 Grendel doesn't really understand why his new Choir-mates look at him oddly sometimes. After all, the rule is "Don't hurt humans," right? Grendel is more than cool with that: he spent way too many years working for Fate, and seeing what happens to people who achieve it, to ever want to harm another mortal again - even Hellsworn. That's why he went Renegade (and eventually Redeemed), after all. But, heck, Grendel could jump up and down on the eviscerated vessel of a demon (personally carved into little, little bits over a three-day period) for all the Symphony cares. He's checked. As for his particular strategy: well, it's best to stick to what you know. Grendel knows how Servitors of Fate operate. It makes sense to concentrate on them. It makes sense to go after them personally. It makes sense to screw up their plans, whack them around a bit, then send them back to their Prince all dissonant and damaged. It makes sense to soul-kill them, too, but Grendel doesn't always have time. Besides, Kronos can always be counted on to make the scum's existence miserable... especially if this was the scum's first solo mission. Grendel loves meeting up with inexperienced Servitors of Fate. The look on a demon's face when it experiences its first note of dissonance on the corporeal plane is wonderful. Anyway, he's doing his job, for the love of God. What, only Malakim get to enjoy their work? Grendel has, as the above suggests, a personality type not seen too often among Mercurians: he enjoys hurting things. He just doesn't enjoy hurting corporeal things. Give Grendel a trapped demon, a bucket of pitch, several sharp knives a sprig of holly, and three days, and he'll create a tableau that could make a Shedite of Nightmares gag. But he'll gnaw off his leg before he harms any human - even Fated, Hellsworn or Undead. Having such a well-adjusted psychopath working for Destiny raises a few eyebrows, but Grendel is very, very good at his work. He can usually detect demons of Fate (not through any inherent ability; he just knows how they operate, and takes care to keep up with current events through regular ... interviews ... with his captives), so sticking in an arena where he encounters them often is most efficient. He is not a candidate for promotion anytime soon, which bothers him not at all. After all, promotion means less time on the corporeal plane, and that wouldn't be very nice. It wouldn't be very nice at all. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:04:09 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> I was wondering why I avoided certain Bands and Choirs... Moe does it again. I *like* Grendel. Nice name, too. I'm not sure he's technically psychopathic, though, since he's not violent and antisocial in general, just to demons. Isn't that ... nice to know? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:16:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> An actual, non-weird question. Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:09:47 -0400 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: Re: IN> An actual, non-weird question. Maurice Lane wrote: >> Err. I forgot to bring up two facts that, all >> things considered, are slightly more important than >> I had first considered: >> 1) The campaign area is IOU; and >> 2) My Calabite PC (through a complicated series of >> events involving a doublecross, a Game hit squad, a >> malfunctioning Body Bag and a deep fear of Limbo) is >> currently in the vessel of a small grey squirrel*. >What's the problem? If you were an Impudite, and a >cigar-chomping squirrel with a really big gun showed >up and demanded some Essence, what would you do? >Why, you'd fold, of course. I mean, grey squirrels >are *mean*. Everybody knows that. OK, OK, valid point. I had more the image (from an old comic I saw) of a squirrel tripping people, then asking them for a smoke, but your's is hilarious. It's just that the Archdean will kill Skippy when he gets caught doing this ... or just toss him over the wall, right into the slavering jaws of the Game. There's that damned Selfless Discord in the way, too: it interferes at the worst times ("Do I _really_ need the Essence more than this poor schmuck does? Maybe I should give him some of mine... DAMMIT!"). What the Archdean wants in exchange for Skippy losing it doesn't bear thinking about, either. But, you get the point. I really must finish the writeup. :) Moe PS: Loved the Bigger Hammer on the INC, BTW. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:28:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN>New PC> Mr. Nice Guy Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:59:39 -0400From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> New PC> Mr. Nice Guy >Thanks Moe for inspiring me to write this guy. >"Mr. Nice Guy" O-kay... Interesting, and workable, albeit a trifle sick. Of course, I just posted a psychopathic, non-dissonant Mercurian, so who am I to talk? :) I find it especially amusing that this guy's name is the same as the GM whose gonna be running the Merc of Judgement that inspired you... Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:34:10 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> In Anime Pyramid Notes In a message dated 10/26/00 3:37:53 PM Central Daylight Time, ebertish@techemail.com writes: > I can't get Moon Unit Zappa's "Homecoming Queen's Got a Gun" That was Julie Brown. Reverend Brian A. Rogers BillionSix@aol.com ICQ# 22544590 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:47:09 NZDT From: "Alex Liddell" Subject: Re: IN> Hatiphas question >Her writeup notes that she "systematically destroys" sorcerors who can't be >corrupted... obviously she's going to have to systematically _indirectly_ >destroy them, or she's going to be a quivering mass of Discord before too >long. If I'm interpreting this right, she can't even defend herself if a >Sorceror attacks her. Well, yeah. She can't defend herself physically or by using anything that would harm the human. She can however indirectly defend herself. With say, her Balseraph Resonance or any of the other nasty Fate Attunements she has picked up, like Temporal Projection. Sorceror: "Die manipulating child of Satan!!!" Hatiphas: "And there are 40 more of them behind you... if you look at them they will turn you into their mindless slave for eternity. I suggest you put down that knife/gun/essence bomb and let's talk about this some more." Sorceror: "Why yes I believe you." Hatiphas: "Of course you do, would I lie?" See? >And (separate question), the Symphony doesn't consider working all-out to >damn a human to Hell as violence against that human? OK, obviously not, or >the Merc attunement would be almost useless to Fate-Bals. Still... Hmmm, the Symphony being a funny thing. I would say that the Balseraphs' of Fate tread a fine line anyway. They are emulating the pure Symphony, and get a taste for what it is like to be selfless for a change. I think the Symphony is impartial in that respect. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:54:29 -0400 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Re: Kobal's Plan > Anyone have any comments on Kobal's possibly next big Plot? I assume the fact that his plan includes the _fall_ of two _Malakim_ Archangels is all part of the joke . . . :) I also thought Zadkiel's fallen form was a bit weak. She should run a Protection racket, punishing those who can't pay her prices (she is a Habbalah after all). Also, since Kronos and Yves are basically embodiments of the duality of the Symphony, if Yves falls I think the universe is going to stop being funny altogether. No more brightness in the Symphony. Well, maybe Kobal would laugh. Correct me If I'm wrong here, but no Archangel has ever Fallen, right? Khalid was a hypothetical situation that never really happened. Powerful Word-bound have fallen, but never an Archangel (you might say that their ability to resonanate like Malakim might help a whole bunch). I'd say if Kobal could get _one_ Archangel to fall, that would be pretty funny. The question is, then, which one would make the best choice? You wouldn't want to upset a duality like Gabe-Belial, Blandine-Beleth, Dom-Asmo, Jean-Vap or the like because it would unbalance the entire Symphony to have two really similar Superiors on one side. It would be easier to go for those on the periphery, especially ones that are already black sheep. I can easily see Jordi as the Demon Prince of Vengeance. Scary stuff. Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:04:01 -0600 From: "ben" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Kobal's Plan > Correct me If I'm wrong here, but no Archangel has ever Fallen, right? No Archangel has Fallen since the Fall. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:45:11 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> In Anime Pyramid Notes - --On Thursday, October 26, 2000 13:35 -0700 Casca wrote: > > Moe, work your elfin magic on this idea. I'm not sufficiently warped > enough to develop it properly. > And if you bring some of those cookies with you, so much the better. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Grasshoppers are not a Need, Lara!") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:55:34 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Kobal talks about Fallen Superiors - --On Thursday, October 26, 2000 16:05 -0400 Charles Phipps wrote: > Novalis, Demon Princess of Thorns > The sweetest fruit is that which kills you. Novalis has become a > thorn in the sides of many demon princes as she had been in Heaven's > archangels because she can't see why all the demons can't just get > along and have parties together, I mean Hell is so DREARY. Her > servants personally and herself though may look beutiful but they are > Poison Ivy at heart. Her word truly embodies the spirit of getting > what you want but not wanting it after you get it...and she does it > so happily! > Dark Alternate-Universe Willow: "Bored now." > > Zadkiel, Demon Princess of Protection *** > Zadkiel seems almost Habbalah in her insistance what she does is > good. The Djinn Princess is obsessively protective of all sinners > which catch her eye and keeps them from being hunted by police, > angels, or the like. The reasoni ng behind this is a ultra-pacifistic > philosophy saying God does not want to take vengence on sinners so > everyone should just ignore those who do what they do in hopes they > will cease it. This seems very hypocritical of Zaddy because her > "angels" are instructed to destroy those who try and hurt those she > protects (they have it comming is her response). > Er. Um. Oh. This is....oh my. I can imagine this would make my life suddenly very uncomfortable. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation (Standing engagement. Same Triad. Same questions. Every day.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:11:32 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> An actual, non-weird question. - --On Thursday, October 26, 2000 16:48 -0400 Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 2:34 PM -0500 10/26/00, Eeyore wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Elizabeth McCoy >>> Actually, if the GM is using the "sanctuary" model of IOU, you >>> _could_ have an ex-Gamester. Especially if as a squirrel, since >>> if you stay in squirrel-infested areas, no one is likely to spot >>> you till you light up. Or eat a cigarette. >> >> Would a Gamester in a squirrel vessel be able to use the Humanity >> attunement? Or would he need to get the Rodentia attunement? > > I think I'd let the squirrelGamester get away > with using Humanity to duplicate the "natural" state of its vessel. > Rock: *gasp* SQUIRRELL!!! CUTE THING COME TO ROCK! *chases squirrels around* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:36:39 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> New PC> Mr. Nice Guy Charles Phipps wrote: >>>Dominic is perfectly pleased with Derek's > performance because he takes no personal pride in his action and all overly> harsh dissonance has been purified and accidental in nature. Unlikely. This guy is dealing vengeance, not justice. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:41:44 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Hatiphas question Douglas Muir wrote: > Now, I see how being able to resonate humans' hobbies, friends, goals, > etc., would be handy in her job. But... wouldn't the dissonance conditions> hobble her rather severely? Nope. She doesn't have to kill people personally. >If I'm interpreting this right, she can't even defend herself if a > Sorceror attacks her. Sure she can. She just can't KILL them. Remember, Impudites are not Mercurians. They can beat the crap out of humans without a qualm, even torture them almost to death... they just can't kill them. There seems to be a common misconception that Impudites cannot be violent or cause harm to humans. A misconception Impudites will surely be happy to take advantage of. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:38:20 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Hatiphas question From: "David Edelstein" > Douglas Muir wrote: > > >If I'm interpreting this right, she can't even defend herself if a > > Sorceror attacks her. > > Sure she can. She just can't KILL them. Remember, Impudites are not > Mercurians. The Balseraph of Fate attunement means that she is a Mercurian for dissonance purposes, David. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:24:38 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> In Anime Pyramid Notes At 1:35 PM -0700 10/26/00, Casca wrote: >On Thu, 26 October 2000, "Yeager, Alex" wrote: > > >> It's Homecoming week, and each student organization has to build a > >Dear God. I can't get Moon Unit Zappa's "Homecoming Queen's Got a >Gun" out of my head now.... That's Julie Brown's song, as I'm sure twelve people have said so far. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:28:04 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Re: Kobal's Plan At 5:54 PM -0400 10/26/00, Jonathan Walton wrote: >>Anyone have any comments on Kobal's possibly next big Plot? > >I assume the fact that his plan includes the _fall_ of two _Malakim_ >Archangels is all part of the joke . . . :) > >I also thought Zadkiel's fallen form was a bit weak. She should run >a Protection racket, punishing those who can't pay her prices (she >is a Habbalah after all). Zadkiel a Habbalite? Not unless something really weird happened. I dream... of Djinn with the light brown hair.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:38:36 -0500 From: Santiago Subject: Re: IN> Reign of Steel (Re: The inevitable dreaded anime tie-in) >God and Lucifer are, as always/often, silent on the matter. And here I though Lucifer was riding around in the back of a semi, cutting deals with the humans to undermine the other AIs... - -- Santiago ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:28:04 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Re: Kobal's Plan At 5:54 PM -0400 10/26/00, Jonathan Walton wrote: >>Anyone have any comments on Kobal's possibly next big Plot? > >I assume the fact that his plan includes the _fall_ of two _Malakim_ >Archangels is all part of the joke . . . :) > >I also thought Zadkiel's fallen form was a bit weak. She should run >a Protection racket, punishing those who can't pay her prices (she >is a Habbalah after all). Zadkiel a Habbalite? Not unless something really weird happened. I dream... of Djinn with the light brown hair.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:01:01 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Hatiphas question Prodigal wrote: > The Balseraph of Fate attunement means that she is a Mercurian for > dissonance purposes, David. Oops. Yes, you're right. My bad. (What's really embarrassing is I usually make these mistakes concerning material I WROTE! Sheesh...) Well, she still has the "Get others to do her dirty work" option. Or the "Teach a sorcerer a ritual that will cause his brains to explode out his nose when he tries to perform it" option.... - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:54:10 -0700 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> Hatiphas question From: Douglas Muir <> It only affects direct violence. Nothing stops the Mercurian from working to damn the human, pointing to the human and saying to a Malakite, "Kill him," or anything of that sort. Hatiphas just has to avoid being caught alone. Meanwhile, Impudites can't kill directly or indirectly, but are free to use violence that stops short of killing, even directly. If Hatiphas was an Impudite, then she'd have more problems setting people up to be killed. - -- Kish ICQ#: 28085879 AIM: Kish K M Kish_K@mindspring.replacewithcom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:01:11 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Hatiphas question At 9:01 PM -0500 10/26/00, David Edelstein wrote: >Prodigal wrote: > >Well, she still has the "Get others to do her dirty work" option. Or the >"Teach a sorcerer a ritual that will cause his brains to explode out his >nose when he tries to perform it" option.... Or the "feed a lie about the potency of a renegade sorcerer's blood in ritual work to the other sorcerers" option. It would both deal with the problem without her needing to use direct violence, *and* promote her Word. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:09:30 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Hatiphas question From: "David Edelstein" > Prodigal wrote: > > The Balseraph of Fate attunement means that she is a Mercurian for > > dissonance purposes, David. > > Oops. Yes, you're right. My bad. I had to double-check my copy of the main rulebook before I hit "Send," so de nada. :) > Well, she still has the "Get others to do her dirty work" option. Or the > "Teach a sorcerer a ritual that will cause his brains to explode out his > nose when he tries to perform it" option.... Indeed. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:07:34 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Hatiphas question At 6:54 PM -0700 10/26/00, Kish wrote: >From: Douglas Muir > >Meanwhile, Impudites can't kill directly or indirectly, but are free >to use violence that stops short of killing, even directly. If >Hatiphas was an Impudite, then she'd have more problems setting people >up to be killed. Where did you get that idea? *Personally* killing a human through action or inaction causes Dissonance. Telling someone else to kill a human isn't personal. It's the opposite. Nor is it "inaction." Failing to pull someone up a cliff when the branch they're hanging from is breaking is personal inaction. Telling a Calabite to tear a human limb from limb would be distasteful, but not dissonant. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:14:39 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Reign of Steel (Re: The inevitable dreaded anime tie-in) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Santiago" To: Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 8:38 PM Subject: Re: IN> Reign of Steel (Re: The inevitable dreaded anime tie-in) > >God and Lucifer are, as always/often, silent on the matter. > > And here I though Lucifer was riding around in the back of a > semi, cutting deals with the humans to undermine the other AIs... *spit-take* KEYBOARD! - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:17:57 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Hatiphas question - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Prodigal" To: Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 9:09 PM Subject: Re: IN> Hatiphas question [snip] > > Well, she still has the "Get others to do her dirty work" option. Or the > > "Teach a sorcerer a ritual that will cause his brains to explode out his > > nose when he tries to perform it" option.... > > Indeed. Let's not forget a slight tip o' the Essence bucket to Guido, the 15-Force Calabite with the Word of Hired Thugs... - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:27:38 -0700 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> Hatiphas question From: Whistling in the Dark At 6:54 PM -0700 10/26/00, Kish wrote: >From: Douglas Muir > >Meanwhile, Impudites can't kill directly or indirectly, but are free >to use violence that stops short of killing, even directly. If >Hatiphas was an Impudite, then she'd have more problems setting people >up to be killed. <> Page 64, the Infernal Player's Guide, under "Touchy Situations" for Impudites: "They try to avoid violent demons...their fellow Diabolicals rarely sympathize with an Impudite's pain when they slaughter whoever happens to be in the way." Telling a Calabite to tear a human limb from limb wouldn't cause dissonance--but failing to prevent a Calabite from tearing a human limb from limb (with or without prompting) would. Except that, evidently, in your reading of "...through action or inaction," it wouldn't. That reading strikes me as very weird, personally, but, if it's what you get from the main book's section on Impudite dissonance and the IPG's section on Impudite dissonance, I have no further evidence to prove it's not the one intended. That reading also has the effect have making Impudites less dissonance-restricted than Mercurians (while by my reading, they're balanced; Mercurians can't use violence personally and directly, while Impudites can be violent, but not kill, and must act to prevent others from killing). (Of course, whether that's seen as desireable or not is a matter of personal taste.) - -- Kish ICQ#: 28085879 AIM: Kish K M Kish_K@mindspring.replacewithcom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:46:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Subject: Re: IN> Reign of Steel (Re: The inevitable dreaded anime tie-in) - - > Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:27:50 -0400 > From: Elizabeth McCoy > Subject: Re: IN> Reign of Steel (Re: The inevitable > dreaded anime tie-in) > > At 10:18 AM -0500 10/25/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Elizabeth McCoy" > [Reign of Steel meets In Nomine - which Superiors, > >> episode>* > >> > >> Ah, right. Paris was a green too, though, right? > > > >Nope, Zonemind Berlin was the other major > heavyweight in the Greens. > > You're going to make me dig up the book > for that, aren't > you.... > > The idea of IN RoS is still intriguing. > A possible variant: assume that the zoneminds have personalities based on various Superiors, both AA and DP (hey, it'll piss them off, if nothing else)... or the brainswashed Superiors themselves, trapped through some Vaputech gobblygook. That'll encourage both sides to just not break out the nukes. Some suggestions: Berlin: Jordi. Not much brainwashing needed here, really. Brisbane: the Vapmeister himself. Not brainwashed, but he can't believe how much this is an improvement over his old vessel. Neat-o. Caracas: Novalis. Heavy brainwashing, but it's worn off enough so that she can begin to deal with humans a little. Denver: Ooh, tough one. I'll go with Laurence. He may enjoy the fact that they obey orders now, but there's a part of him gibbering inside about why. London: Jean. Pretends to be brainwashed, but is actually fairly happy with it all. Well, as much as a Elohite can be. Actually better disposed towards humans, now that they've figured out to leave him strictly alone. Luna: Malphas, trying its best to work with the new order and con everybody else into doing its will. Manila: Kronos to a T. Brainwashing intermittent, not that it's easy to tell. Mexico City: Saminga. Gee, robots are even BETTER than Undead! BWAHH-HAHH-HAHH-HAH! Moscow: Yves, alas. But he's starting to crack loose from the conditioning. If this displeases, substitute (sorry) Beth of Archives. New Delhi: David. Hey, he's gotta make humanity strong for space. Serious brainwashing here. Orbital: Beleth. Why? Orbital Mind Control Lasers. Just wait... Paris: Gabriel, I think. Trying to talk to God, in the only way she can remember how. Beijing: Michael, who's very confused about the best way to get back to Heaven. Tel Aviv: Come _on_, we nearly made Khalid Fall once, for crying out loud. Besides, there isn't a conditioning program in the universe that could make him cheapen his Word like this. Nybbas, on the other hand, seems just flipping perfect. Tokyo: Asmodeus. A really annoyed Asmodeus, who's _still_ dealing with Renegades... Vancouver: Haagenti. It keeps growing and growing and growing... Washington: Marc, under some real strain as his conditioning fights his inherent belief in a fair deal. Zaire: Baal. Brainwashed, but if you asked him first, and told him about the nukes, he might not have minded too much. Wants to kill them all, naturally. OK, that leaves us with Tranquility, who is an unbrainwashed Eli, and Lucifer, who's actually a very frightened Kobal ... or vice versa. Hope your PCs know the Songs of Time, because it ain't looking good, here... ;) Moe PS I'll let the rest of you work out what the Hell the Celestial Plane's doing about this abomination. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1880 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.