From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Oct 30 09:23:41 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA25290 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:23:40 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id JAA24282 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:21:50 -0600 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:21:50 -0600 Message-Id: <200010301521.JAA24282@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1888 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, October 30 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1888 In this digest: Re: IN> In Nomine> The Matrix Re: IN> Mariel, (Oopsified) IN> Re: the Matrix IN> Re: The Celestial Name of the Grigori IN> Why the Grigori can't just repent (was In> Grigori) IN> Cleaning out the IN tray IN> Soldekai IN> What *are* Songs? Re: IN> Sidekicks>Need and Feed Re: IN> What *are* Songs? Re: IN> Adventure Seed: Child Support> Re: IN> What *are* Songs? IN> Grigori Superiors... Re: IN> Grigori Superiors... Re: IN> Grigori Superiors... Re: IN> Grigori Superiors... IN> The Return of Mariel Re: IN> Impudite mindset Re: IN> The Return of Mariel Re: IN> Alien angels? Re: IN> Re: The Celestial Name of the Grigori Re: IN> Re: the Matrix Re: IN> Re: the Matrix IN> I may jsut be the luckiest man in the world... IN> Tick. Tick. Tick. Tick. Tick. Re: IN> I may jsut be the luckiest man in the world... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:44:21 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine> The Matrix - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 7:23 PM Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine> The Matrix [snip] > **"Let's feed all the live people with soup made from > dead people!" Yeah, right. Anyone else want to > explode this particular fallacy? The end of Daylight > Savings Time has made me too tired to remember the > math or logic necessary to do so. :) This verges dangerously on being off-topic, but... You can get, what, 150-200 lbs. of food out of the average adult human corpse? Assuming a theoretical 100% efficiency at turning corpse into usable food, that is? That's an adult's corpse. 18 years old or plus. And it only gives you approximately 200 lbs. of food on the output end of the equation, after 18+ years of that before-it-was-a-corpse regularly consuming food on the input end. Question -- how many pounds of food do you normally eat in a *day*? The fallacy is obvious. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:52:30 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Mariel, (Oopsified) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:28:04 GMTFrom: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Mariel, (Oopsified) >>when the flipping ideas don't get worked out, the >>flipping voices in my head start reciting G.K. >>Chesterson's epic poem _Lepanto_. >And this is a bad thing? >jo(White founts falling in the courts of the sun ... ) Well, _I_ don't think so, but seeing as no-one's ever let recite the blessed thing all the way through, I dunno... Heh. Interesting Word: "Epic Poems". Good for getting rid of your standard Media demon, all of whom have the attention span of a stoned ant. I must remember that one. :) Moe (And the Soldan of Byzantium is smiling as they run...) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:17:55 -0500 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Re: the Matrix Moe wrote: > **"Let's feed all the live people with soup made from > dead people!" Yeah, right. Anyone else want to > explode this particular fallacy? The end of Daylight > Savings Time has made me too tired to remember the > math or logic necessary to do so. :) Oh, you mean the little fact that they'd have to kill off massive numbers of people to provide enough food to feed an entire population? In fact, I'd be surprised if they would last more than a year without running out of bodies to feed other bodies with. Must have been Saminga's idea :) Of course, you can't really make good undead out of people soup. Not that Saminga wouldn't try :) Just another note to add (from my recent voyage though Sup4), you could say that a Matrix-like senario could occur if Vapula's experiments with "Miranda" (you guys had to use the Shxp reference, didn't you? I would have perfered Rappachini) succeed and he creates more sentient programs and robots. Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:28:54 -0500 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Re: The Celestial Name of the Grigori Moe also wrote: > (munchkin) > > 1) Saying this name is a lot cheaper than the Song of > Thunder. Not wise, mind you, but cheaper. Except that everyone can hear the Song of Thunder. With the Ineffable Name, you're just getting the attention of the Grigori and any Archangels that happen to the area. Worth it? Maybe, maybe not. I can just imagine what would happen if Judgement just happened to be in town . . . "No, Dominic, I _wasn't_ trying to contact a group of outcasts, I was just talking to my friend about how much I despised those despicable Grigori . . . and it just came out . . . really! Would I lie to a Seraph Archangel? (don'tkillmedon'tkillmedon'tkillme)" > "Hey! My character's been around since the Fall: of > _course_ he remembers the name!" > > (/munchkin) (evil Habbalite GM) I think players who think that way would: 1) Never be allowed withing 50 miles of one of my games and 2) Quickly come across the aforementioned situation with Dominic. Ah, you can almost smell the savory aroma of someone's Forces getting disbanded. What a beautiful game. (/evil Habbalite GM) Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:25:01 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Why the Grigori can't just repent (was In> Grigori) Heres's some thoughts of mine.... > Why was their punishment that hard? The answer is simply in My opinion the Grigori filled the Symphony with the Nephilim who for lack of a better term had the power of angels and none of the weakness's....and were also universally evil. The fact remains that the Grigori in addition to creating these creatures/beings/things also commited compound sins that remain in effect. 1> Not stopping these creatures/destroying them when they began to prey on mortals/have them worship them as gods. 2> Not calling in other angels to deal with these horrofic monstrocities if they couldn't deal with them. 3> Keeping their crime and the origins of these monsters a secret for as long as possible. 4> Continuing to sire children after they were created, thus risking the creation of more Nephilim. 5> Not turning in those who commited these crimes when they were done. 6> Openly dwelling among mortals as Celestials instead of keeping the war a secret. Basically the Grigori if all of the above is true and the likelihood of this is correct then the Grigori bear complicity (guilt by association and negiligance) in the murder, rape, theft, and torture of untold hosts of humans. Also the fact remains that Dominic likely would take a thin view of them "combining realms not meant to be combined" and even worse of the idolotry Nephilim likely forced on tribes. NOT TO MENTION what Dominic is likely to ask of the Grigori performing their mission of gaurding against Diabolic influence....YOUR SLEEPING AROUND INSTEAD! > I could understand if Dominic had cast out some of the Watchers, but why the > whole choir??? I canīt believe that every Grigori broke heavenīs laws. The above crimes are NOT meriting of casting out by Dominic, the above are meriting of nothing less the complete extinguishment of the Grigori who did all this's souldeath in Dominic's view....I cannot imagine him ordering less for such atrocity. At the very least I would imagine him ordering them never near the Corporeal world again... HOWEVER.... I imagine the resulting deed by the Grigori was met by something that NONE in heaven suspected would occur. Dominic: For this MASSIVE list of crimes which would take years of Corporeal time to speak the entirety of I ask unto you....WHO SPEAKS FOR THESE...ABOMINATIONS?! Song: I do! Death: I do! *Everyone looks at them with a stare* Other word Bound Grigori: I do! All grigori in general: I do! The Grigori standed united as one really the way I see it. All those serving their Superior went along with them or were soul destroyed by the rogue Grigori (if any did stand against their choir). Dominic's choice was to either soul destroy every grigori and face a war in Heaven or banish them all from his sight...or ignore the crime. Dominic refused to ignore the deaths and bloodshed of perhaps millions of innocent humans. Dominic: For the aiding and abetting of this darkness I say unto you there *IS* to be a reckoning and not all your years of service to Heaven will undo the fact you have done great evil in my eyes and the eyes of the Lord. Thus is my judgement upon you....and your entire choir... Dominic: FIRST Oannes Lord of Water I charge you with flooding the Grigori lands and where all they dwell with water to drown them and their idolatrous demonic worshipers....the children they have wrought are a crime against nature and thus will be punished to a man, if ANY exist who serve the Lord faithfully I will be surprised....but spare them if they do. Lord David of Stone I charge you to track down the rest that exist outside this flood or miraculously survive this holocost. Oannes: I gladly cleanse with healing water what the Watchers have done in their lust. David: I will take up my fists and my forces. They will face justice with shattering fists. Dominic: This is not enough though to undo your damage for you have openly stated you are unrepentant of this crime and with the power of an Archangel behind you we cannot keep you here bound. Thus I further sentence you outcast from this world and upon the Earth that you love....I pray unto God that you return in unision to never work this evil again. Return and you will be welcomed as brothers, Fall and you will be annhilated like Lucifer. > Could individual Grigori redeem? Perhaps but with demons hunting them and perhaps their fellow Grigori....likely they simply do not due to the ostracism from their kind or when they do they are destroyed before they can join heaven's ranks. > Every demon can it, so why canīt the Grigori? Their crima wasnīt nearly as bad as > Luciferīs, but demons are treated better. My theory is they simply don't repent as horrofic as it may seem. They believe what they are doing is right or it's none of God's business who they bring to their beds. As ever, Dominic's sentence was hated but just. - -Charlemagne P.S. Noah and his family I think were the only children of the Grigori who were righteous and thus spared. Those who claim descent from his and his bloodline likely have six forces just like Adam and Eve. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:31:26 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Cleaning out the IN tray Yea Gawds! That's terrible. Here's some disturbing options for that... 1> He never escaped his Princess and she's just hoping to build up his sweet and happiness discord in a special icky pooh section of her realm (which looks like the real world) in hopes he joins her mindless servitors or becomes once again a shiny happy lovely member of her land....she DOES live in the Marches after all. 2> Dominic and Asmodeus have a private agreement with each other to not persecute any of Daisy's servitors for a VERY special reason. They are usually adverse to this kinduv action but unfortunately it's absolutely necessary.....Daisy has to become so annoying all of Heaven and Hell has to descend on her like Legion/Makatiel/The Nephilim gathering at a picnic. Thus both have privately instructed the other superiors to leave this one and other renegades alone as well to do as they please without specifing why. 3> The man just has some REALLY bad luck. 4> Another outside Agency such as Beleth or Loki has entrapped the man in a dreamscape and he's currently being held until they can figure out something to do with him...the soldiers he keeps encountering are the creations of his own worst nightmares or the like. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:01:08 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Soldekai Perhaps it's the Gabriel lover in me but personally I think that Soldekai will become too dissonant to be suffered to live rather than take the word of Fire or take command of Gabriel's service. In my opinion this Malakite will never serve any other Superior or suffer the like..... And thus Michael's plan is inherently flawed. - -Charlemagne P.S. Honorable crazy one would you write out what happens to Belial and Gabrielle as a result of the New Crusade? I would personally like to see it...and the Seraphim Council's reaction when Dominic asks for forgiveness instead of permisson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 04:27 +0000 From: Kay Dekker Subject: IN> What *are* Songs? OK. Bear with me. Please. I'm sure this _must_ have been done before, but since I have my first game-start on Friday, I really could do with the answers, which I've not been able to find in the books that I have, the FAQs, or the Errata. If anyone just says "It's all in _Liber Canticorum_, dummy!" I shall _cry_, 'cos I don't have it, can't afford it (yes, I am _that_ broke!), and, even if I could, my local soi-disant "Gaming Shop" wouldn't be able to get it in time before one of my smart-ass players (and believe me, they are) would be sure to ask... but tell me that anyway, so at least I can tell my players "You want the answers, you buy the group the book!". Whiny preamble over. My understanding, so far: Songs can have, but don't need, vocal and/or physical 'components' (_IN_, p47). Are these fixed, in that anyone who knows a particular Song could look at or listen to another Celestial performing that Song and know, or at least have a good idea of, what the Song is? Or are they stereotyped (Most Mercurians of Flowers learn that Song with _this_ tune and _that_ butt-wiggle), say by Choir/Band, Superior, or whatever? Or specific to that one Celestial ("That's Phoebe's particular version of Corporeal Healing")? Or just made up _ad hoc_ to suit the situation? Secondly, what do Songs (and here I mean the 'mental invocation' of p47, which seems to be the only necessary component) actually consist of? p 46 says that they are 'complicated themes', but that seems perplexing. They seem to require perception of the Symphony to learn, but not to perform (otherwise Remnants couldn't use Songs), but then how can Infernals, who cannot perceive the Symphony, learn them? they need no special vocal or other musical apparatus (otherwise Soldiers couldn't sing them); they aren't lyrics in the Celestial Tongue (otherwise they could only be used in Celestial form, also ruling out Soldiers); they can be 'recorded' and 'replayed' (my understanding of what Relics do), but only in/by Relics; they can only be taught by Superiors, but the Children of the Grigori "can... exert some... control over the Symphony", which I take to mean Songs, at least of a kind - so which Superior teaches them? and lastly, given that even unknown Songs can be identified in Artifacts (_Liber Reliquarum_, p13), that seems to imply that "what a Song does" is in some way part of the "recording" in a Relic - if that's so, then why is it impossible (rather than just very hard) to spontaneously "improvise" a Song? Again, I apologise if these are easy and/or obvious questions, but if I don't ask, how shall I learn? Hoping for your indulgence, and looking forward to the time I can be at least as much a producer as a consumer on the List, Kay - -- Delirium includes a plush fish. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 20:41:04 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Sidekicks>Need and Feed Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:21:38 -0500From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Sidekicks>Need and Feed >Need and Feed >Habbalah and Balseraph >Servitors of Haagenti >"Haagenti's Concience" OK. That one was just _strange_. I mean this as a compliment, but that was (bleep)ing WEIRD. Is this how it feels to have your brain hurt? Interesting sensation. Kind of pleasant. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:46:25 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> What *are* Songs? The physical components are not set, you can't just see the physical parts to learn the Song. I'd rule that what ever those components are they would have to somewhat match with the intent of the Song. Songs are portions of the Symphony, and it seems implied that all Songs that can exist do exist those that aren't known are just undiscovered. I'd imagine that how they are actually done has to do with employing essence to generate a specific sound within the Symphony , more complicated than one to aid yourself in some task, and that sound produces the effect. This relates to the fact that what Song is being performed can be determined by disturbance, and that in the Liber Canticorum there are rules for learning a Song by observing it performed. Sort of like playing something that you've heard before. Infernals *can* perceive the Symphony, they just aren't as intimately connected to it as angels. Angels are playing the Symphony, demons are jerks in the audiance disrupting the show (IMO & IMCs). But more canon wise infernals are able to hear disturbance, which is just enough connection to pick out Songs so that they can be performed. - -- Timothy, Angel of Rambling Ofanite of Creation ArchRival of Mathus If you have time to kill, why not kill it at http://ucsub.Colorado.edu/~grothtp/In.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 21:03:15 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Adventure Seed: Child Support> Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 16:49:57 GMTFrom: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Adventure Seed: Child Support> >>*Based on a quick scan of the APG, IPG and core book, >>my second impression is that canon is silent on this >>issue. If so, all humorous adventure seeds aside, >>2nd Edition will need to eliminate this loophole >>bigtime. >It's a feature, not a bug. I don't see any reason why >it needs to be eliminated, there are plenty of good >reasons for Archangels not to create servitors on >Earth, for the servitor's sake. > >jo I was thinking about the Grigori angle. Now that we know that there actually _were_ Grigori AAs exiled with the rest, the issue of whether Superiors can replenish their numbers has a direct bearing on just how many of the Watchers are still out there. If the answer is supposed to remain CDaU... ...it actually doesn't really matter, does it? Let the GM decide for her own campaign, and use the Really Big Stick to keep the munchkins down. You're right, it's a feature, not a bug. Never mind... :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 01:03:43 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> What *are* Songs? >OK. Bear with me. Please. I'm sure this >_must_ have been done before, but since >I have my first game-start on Friday, I really >could do with the answers, No worries. And welcome to the game, BTW. It's my favorite thing to run, and I've run a lot of things. >If anyone just says "It's all in _Liber >Canticorum_, dummy!" I shall _cry_, 'cos >I don't have it, can't afford it (yes, I >am _that_ broke!), and, even if I could, >my local soi-disant "Gaming Shop" wouldn't >be able to get it in time before one of my >smart-ass players (and believe me, they are) >would be sure to ask... but tell me that >anyway, so at least I can tell my players >"You want the answers, you buy the group the >book!". I have done exactly that. Twice. BTW, the Songbook is 1) The most useful single book after the corebook, APG and IPG; and, 2) Strangely difficult to find. I've seen it in exactly one game store. >p 46 says that they are 'complicated >themes', but that seems perplexing. They >seem to require perception of the Symphony >to learn, but not to perform (otherwise >Remnants couldn't use Songs), They require perception of the Symphony. Ignore Remnants, they're a weird special case. (If you really want to be consistent, you can say that Remnants get to use Songs because they *used* to have perception of the Symphony, and perhaps still do in some sad Remnant sort of way.) >but then how >can Infernals, who cannot perceive the >Symphony, learn them? Oh, Infernals can perceive the Symphony; how else could they hear Disturbance, for instance? Now, their perception is distorted by the fact that they're _fighting_ the Symphony -- singing their own selfish theme, and using their resonances to impose it on the world around them. This is why demonic resonances use Will (push the Symphony around, blow your own horn loudly, take over the music) whereas angelic ones use Perception (listen carefully, find the theme that matches what you hope to accomplish, go with the flow of the universe). But demons can hear the Symphony in some form. - -- A demon would probably insist that he hears it just *fine*; it's angels who hear a distorted version by refusing to impose their Will on it. "The Symphony was never supposed to be an instrumental! It requires a lead singer, and I'm it!" >they need no special >vocal or other musical apparatus (otherwise >Soldiers couldn't sing them); Check. >but >the Children of the Grigori "can... exert >some... control over the Symphony", which I >take to mean Songs, at least of a kind No, there are other ways. Sorcery, and certain special powers (which are considere attunements for game purposes). But the Children are fairly rare. For your first time out, keep it simple. >Hoping for your indulgence, and looking forward >to the time I can be at least as much a >producer as a consumer on the List, > We look forward to it too. Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:47:18 -0600 From: "Sean Gallagher" Subject: IN> Grigori Superiors... This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C04202.9282FE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This question is more directed towards Elizabeth McCoy and other such IN = writers, but if anyone knows, I would be more than happy to hear from = them. Were there any Grigori Archangels...I would be pretty surprised if = there wasn't even one...second, are we ever going to see anymore canon = info on the grigori...ie are grigori simply outcast...or they fallen, = can they redeem, what is a fallen grigori like, etc... 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- ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C04202.9282FE40-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 01:00:48 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Grigori Superiors... At 11:47 PM -0600 10/29/00, Sean Gallagher wrote: >This question is more directed towards Elizabeth McCoy and other >such IN writers, but if anyone knows, I would be more than happy to >hear from them. Were there any Grigori Archangels...I would be >pretty surprised if there wasn't even one...second, are we ever >going to see anymore canon info on the grigori...ie are grigori >simply outcast...or they fallen, can they redeem, what is a fallen >grigori like, etc... > Well, in Canon, there aren't Grigori Archangels known. However, in the Apocrypha (GURPS In Nomine) there's a reference to the Grigori Archangel of Song. It's a safe bet that will make the trek over to Canon one of these years. There was a Grigori "thing" planned for release, but it's hard to say when it (or any) new IN stuff will come out. But Grigori Canon was apparently just around the corner. Third, going off the apocrypha again, the Grigori are Outcast, not Fallen (in general). They can Fall, and become... well, Dark Grigori, who are apparently called the Skulkers. You now know what there is to be known. Thank you, and enjoy a delicious bon bon. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 22:21:12 -0800 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> Grigori Superiors... From: Whistling in the Dark <> Also going off the online In Nomine FAQ. - -- Kish ICQ#: 28085879 AIM: Kish K M Kish_K@mindspring.replacewithcom ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:11:29 GMT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Grigori Superiors... Yes, there was at least one (the archangel of Song), although we don't know whether it was made an archangel after having been outcast. That's all canon currently has to say on the matter. jo >From: "Sean Gallagher" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: >Subject: IN> Grigori Superiors... >Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:47:18 -0600 > >This question is more directed towards Elizabeth McCoy and other such IN >writers, but if anyone knows, I would be more than happy to hear from them. >Were there any Grigori Archangels...I would be pretty surprised if there >wasn't even one...second, are we ever going to see anymore canon info on >the grigori...ie are grigori simply outcast...or they fallen, can they >redeem, what is a fallen grigori like, etc... > >Sean Gallagher >yves_1@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 01:34:25 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: IN> The Return of Mariel Reading the recent posts on Mariel gave me an idea for a potenial adventure seed. I forget exactly whether or not Mariel is a Djinn or Habbalite in canon, so I'll go with a somewhat merged version of Douglas's and Eric's write-ups (Douglas's history and Eric's personality and eventual end segments). What do you think? :) If you like, it could be the opening of another collaborative fiction piece, like the one on Michael's challenges. - ----------------------------------------------- No one was really sure when it happened. One day in Shal-Mari, Haagenti, Demon Prince of Gluttony, was busily devouring a feast of roasted duck, mashed potatoes, and raw Djinn with all his usual abandon, much to the sickened gaze of the Impudite of Dark Humor. Trista snorted with concealed contempt. *This* bloated moron was a Demon Prince? Had Lucifer been smoking one of Fleurity's concotions on the day he elevated Haagenti? Maybe one of the stray forces of the ancient Legion had gotten mixed up with Lucifer's own, corrupting his thoughts. Well, anyways, time to see if she could pull off her plan. If this worked, Trista felt certain that Kobal would give her the Word of Twisted Jokes. Of course, if it didn't work, she'd be a snack. Oh well...had to risk a lot to gain a lot. She'd show that uppity Balseraph Captain Hajan of Dark Humor that she could pull a prank with the best of them! With that, the young Impudite started pushing forward through the crowd. "Coming through! Envoy from Prince Kobal, move aside!" Trista shoved aside the crowd of Gluttony Servitors and stepped across the plaza towards the massive mutant that was Haagenti, taking out a pouch. "I have a message from Prince Kobal of Dark Humor for you, Dread Prince Haagenti!" The Calabite's beady eyes fastened on the Impudite for a long moment, then he grunted and belched. "Toss it in." His fanged maw opened wide and Trista shuddered as she saw the remains of a boar-headed Djinn, partially chewed. She steeled herself and flung the pouch in the dark pit Haagenti called his mouth, then she bowed fluidly and got out of there. If that rare herb she had obtained from the Lilim of Drugs she had met at the Guildhall worked, she'd know it within an hour. Naturally of course, she had to deal with the heft Geas price of the Lilim, but that could be dealt with later. Trista walked quickly towards an alley that should give a clear view of the action but was far enough away for a quick retreat, and waited. Sure enough, an hour later, what she had expected occured. Haagenti, in the midst of consuming a Balseraph who had failed him, suddenly stopped with a puzzled look on his face. A nearby Impudite, fawning and obesquious, offered a salt shaker but was ignored. Haagentil frowned, then rubbed his stomach with his short hands and belched. Then he belched some more and fell to his knees. "Ooooooooooo....." He coughed and belched for several moments, waving off concerned Servitors angrily. His eyes closed, then he vomited. The Servitors of Gluttony got an eyeful as Haagenti vomited up a variety of chewed and half-chewed food, some of it recognizable as failed Servitors. Trista grinned. Time to claim her reward. She quickly left for Kobal's section of Shal-Mari. It was several hours later when Haagenti was done, most of his Servitors remaining out of horrified fascination. At the last moment though, something came up. Onlookers skirted the pile of vomited remains to see what it was. To their surprise, it was a Habbalite. She was dirty and ragged, but still whole, even breathing. A curious Lilim prodded the Habbalite with a kick to the face and it stirred, opening jet-black eyes and raising a hand. The Lilim fell, screaming and the others backed away in fear. Haagenti stared in confusion, but the Habbalite simply snarled at him "Not yet." With that, she was gone in a Symphonic swirl. Haagenti simply stared at where the Habbalite stood for several long moments, then said "Mariel. I don't feel so good..." Haagenti dropped back on his ponderous behind and grunted, not even hungry. Somewhere in Shal-Mari, the new Demon of Twisted Jokes was laughing and somewhere else, the Princess of Oblivion planned her revenge... ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 2000 10:17:43 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> Impudite mindset On 27 Oct 2000 11:35:36 -0700 Casca wrote: [snip] >Don't think of it as dooming a soul to an eternity of torment. Think of it as getting in good with your Boss. And isn't that what's *really* important? neatly warped reasoning, Eric. i should have said this to Moe regarding his 'renegade Calabite Prince waging guerilla warfare against hell' idea, so i'll say it to both of you here: you're sick, so please don't seek help! :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:49:38 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> The Return of Mariel At 1:34 AM -0800 10/30/00, Charles E Smith wrote: >I forget exactly whether or not Mariel is a Djinn or >Habbalite in canon Canon is silent on this matter. And cute little seed. That Word-bound's likely *dead,* though. I mean, Kobal's Haagenti's closest ally, and the joke wasn't *that* funny.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:16:37 -0500 From: "Andrew Stoner" Subject: Re: IN> Alien angels? > From: "Kay Dekker" > Subject: IN> Alien angels? > > > If Creation encompasses other corporeal beings > > similar to, or greater than, us in sentience, > > did the Creator provide them with Celestials? > > If not, why not? If so, are they our Celestials > > too, similar but different, or completely Other? > > And what happens when the Zeta Reticulans land > > here? > > i think the game works a lot better if you go along with the > humanocentric view of most religions and assume there aren't other forms > of life out in space. There's also the concept in G:IN (crossover section) that, just as mercurians are the 'Most Human' of all the choirs and represent them the most - in a celestially 'physical' sense, each of the other choirs (except the Malakim, which were a reaction to the Fall) are the 'Most - -insert Alien species x here-' and celestially represent THAT species the most. The fact that that means there are only five other choirs could also reflect that there are only 5 other sentient species within range of the humans at this point. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:22:46 +0100 From: Benediktq@t-online.de (Benedikt) Subject: Re: IN> Re: The Celestial Name of the Grigori > > > > > P. 122. Protected by three Seraphim, who chant the names of new things as > they come into existence. It contains the names of all things, past, present > and future. Hm... Reading this, I ask myself if Yves COULD "destroy" a name. It contains ALL things past, present and future and the Grigori still exist. Sammael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:22:47 +0100 From: Benediktq@t-online.de (Benedikt) Subject: Re: IN> Re: the Matrix Jonathan Walton schrieb: > Moe wrote: > > > **"Let's feed all the live people with soup made from > > dead people!" Yeah, right. Anyone else want to > > explode this particular fallacy? The end of Daylight > > Savings Time has made me too tired to remember the > > math or logic necessary to do so. :) seulet green is people..... Sammael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:51:39 -0400 From: Jason Schneiderman Subject: Re: IN> Re: the Matrix >Jonathan Walton schrieb: >> Moe wrote: >> >> > **"Let's feed all the live people with soup made from >> > dead people!" Yeah, right. Anyone else want to >> > explode this particular fallacy? The end of Daylight >> > Savings Time has made me too tired to remember the >> > math or logic necessary to do so. :) I just figured that Morpheus was, you know, wrong. He was trained as a resistance fighter, not a scientist - someone sold him a line of propaganda and he bought it. In an ideal world, we'd see how the system actually works in the next two movies. Of course, that would distract us from Keanu and the special effects, so it probably wouldn't happen. Jason, who's trying to think of a way to bring this back on topic - but failing. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 06:52:27 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> I may jsut be the luckiest man in the world... ...I get stuff like this from my girlfriend. >Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:55:03 -0500 >From: Jamie Lennon >Organization: University of Maryland Space Systems >Laboratory >To: Moe Lane III >Subject: How to preoccupy your brain all day > > > >I realized why I thought that story could be a poem.* > >Filk. > >Then The Evil started... > >You do not have to cower >Before Novalis, who is Flowers >She's got love-in flower power >and that's good enough for me > >Do not pick a fight >With a blackwinged Malakite >And his flaming sword of might >hey, bud, that's plenty good enough for me > >or > >'Cause they can't fall oh, yeah, right >You can't fall off the floor To the tune of Old Time Religion, naturally. :) Moe *I really should explain that one. My girlfriend feels that the entire Michael/Novalis battle would have been better suited as the subject of a epic-yet-comic poem. With rhymes. For some reason, she seems to think that I'm a poet. :) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 07:08:05 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Tick. Tick. Tick. Tick. Tick. Well, it's Monday: new work week, new oddball idea. I've been feeling sorry for Saminga lately, for some bizarre reason. Don't ask me why, but it seems to me that he'd be a lot easier to deal with if he had more of a social life. I have decided to give him one. Now, I have already decided who the lucky... err, entity ... is going to be, but I'm waiting for the bugs in a certain adventure seed to be worked out before I can write it up. In the meantime, anyone who finds this particularly sick and twisted is more than welcome to come up with their own ideas about Saminga* In Love. Yes, I'm thinking about "Saminga on Ice", too. This isn't supposed to be a serious game. :) Moe *Or, as the ... entity ... would say, "My cackling little killer Kaliban". ;) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:21:20 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> I may jsut be the luckiest man in the world... At 6:52 AM -0800 10/30/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >...I get stuff like this from my girlfriend. >>Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:55:03 -0500 >>From: Jamie Lennon >>Organization: University of Maryland Space Systems >>Laboratory >>To: Moe Lane III >>Subject: How to preoccupy your brain all day >> >> >> >>I realized why I thought that story could be a poem.* >> >>Filk. >> >>Then The Evil started... >> >>You do not have to cower >>Before Novalis, who is Flowers >>She's got love-in flower power >>and that's good enough for me >> >>Do not pick a fight >>With a blackwinged Malakite >>And his flaming sword of might > >hey, bud, that's plenty good enough for me > Dominic is noted For being long coated- His style's quite outmoded And that's good enough for me! David took a chance By refusing sword or lance. Please get that man some pants! That'd be good enough for me. Andre's wares are traded To keep his lusts quite sated "Feh - virtue's overrated." And that's good enough for me. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1888 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.