From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Oct 30 16:05:51 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA12250 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:05:50 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id QAA08857 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:04:58 -0600 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:04:58 -0600 Message-Id: <200010302204.QAA08857@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1889 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, October 30 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1889 In this digest: IN> Gimme that ol' time religion... Re: IN> Tick. Tick. Tick. Tick. Tick. Re: IN> Alien angels? IN> How to Spot an Impudite Re: IN> Re: The Celestial Name of the Grigori Re: IN> I may jsut be the luckiest man in the world... Re: IN> Alien angels? Re: IN> I may just be... IN> Re: Adam, Eve, and the Grigori Re: IN> Mariel, (Oopsified) IN> Re: The Celestial Name of the Grigori IN> In> The Matrix Re: IN> How to Spot an Impudite Re: IN> Soldekai Re: IN> Soldekai Re: IN> I may just be... IN> Fwd: Names of God Fwd: Re: IN> In Nomine> The Matrix IN> Angel of Emancipation Re: IN> Angel of Emancipation Re: IN> Angel of Emancipation Re: IN> Angel of Emancipation Re: IN> Angel of Emancipation Re: IN> Impudite mindset Re: IN> Gebbeleth: Demon Prince of Secrets (Deceased, Background) Re: IN> Reign of Steel Re: IN> Re: Sidekicks Re: IN> Saints in Hell Re: IN> Grigori Re: IN> Time Zones... Re: IN> Gebbeleth: Demon Prince of Secrets (Deceased, Background) IN> The inevitable Halloween question. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:22:40 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: IN> Gimme that ol' time religion... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 8:52 AM Subject: IN> I may jsut be the luckiest man in the world... > ...I get stuff like this from my girlfriend. > >Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:55:03 -0500 > >From: Jamie Lennon > >Organization: University of Maryland Space Systems > >Laboratory > >To: Moe Lane III > >Subject: How to preoccupy your brain all day > >I realized why I thought that story could be a poem.* > > > >Filk. > > > >Then The Evil started... > > > >You do not have to cower > >Before Novalis, who is Flowers > >She's got love-in flower power > >and that's good enough for me > > > >Do not pick a fight > >With a blackwinged Malakite > >And his flaming sword of might > >hey, bud, that's plenty good enough for me > > > >or > > > >'Cause they can't fall oh, yeah, right > >You can't fall off the floor > > To the tune of Old Time Religion, naturally. :) O-oh David is the worst He will never strike you first But he'll test you till it hurts And that's good enough for me Gabrielle's a wee bit wacky But her light shows are spectacky Makes demons go crispy-crackly And that's good enough for me Michael's always out there raggin' Got an ego bigger a dragon's But if you can do it you ain't braggin' And that's good enough for me. Uriel went way too overboard Put the whole world to the sword But he got yanked up by the Lord So that's good enough for me Eli is out there movin' Walking 'round and just a-groovin' But his case, it still needs provin' And that's good enough for me. Well, that taps me out for now. Anybody else got some? - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 09:38:41 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Tick. Tick. Tick. Tick. Tick. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 9:08 AM Subject: IN> Tick. Tick. Tick. Tick. Tick. > Well, it's Monday: new work week, new oddball idea. > > I've been feeling sorry for Saminga lately, for some > bizarre reason. Don't ask me why, but it seems to me > that he'd be a lot easier to deal with if he had more > of a social life. I have decided to give him one. > > Now, I have already decided who the lucky... err, > entity ... is going to be, but I'm waiting for the > bugs in a certain adventure seed to be worked out > before I can write it up. In the meantime, anyone who > finds this particularly sick and twisted is more than > welcome to come up with their own ideas about Saminga* > In Love. Unrequited or otherwise? If it's unrequited, then lemme see -- who else in the universe is so bent that Saminga would actually find their worldview attractive... .. well, Beleth seems to be the obvious choice, but knowing you the obvious choice is the wrong one. So WHO IS IT, ALREADY? :-) > Yes, I'm thinking about "Saminga on Ice", too. This > isn't supposed to be a serious game. :) - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:46:28 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Alien angels? - --On Monday, October 30, 2000 8:16 AM -0500 Andrew Stoner wrote: > > There's also the concept in G:IN (crossover section) that, just as > mercurians are the 'Most Human' of all the choirs and represent > them the most - in a celestially 'physical' sense, each of the > other choirs (except the Malakim, which were a reaction to the > Fall) are the 'Most -insert Alien species x here-' and celestially > represent THAT species the most. The fact that that means there > are only five other choirs could also reflect that there are only 5 > other sentient species within range of the humans at this point. Were that the case, two things immediately occur to me. First, wouldn't those choirs then have some affinity-based resonnances (possibly dormant) for the other species that would make them mercuriesque for that race? And second, some of them would be going insane knowing on a primitive level that there was *something* they were supposed to be doing, but unable to figure out what it is - like an itch you can't quite reach for thousands of years. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Mars...needs....angels!") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:09:45 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> How to Spot an Impudite http://www.salon.com/health/feature/2000/10/30/vampires/index.html - -David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:10:13 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Re: The Celestial Name of the Grigori - --On Monday, October 30, 2000 3:22 PM +0100 Benedikt wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> P. 122. Protected by three Seraphim, who chant the names of new >> things as they come into existence. It contains the names of all >> things, past, present and future. > > Hm... Reading this, I ask myself if Yves COULD "destroy" a name. It > contains ALL things past, present and future and the Grigori still > exist. > Not without setting off deafening dissonance that would "ressonate" through the symphony into the past and the future, not to mention giving Whoopi Goldberg one hell of a headache. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation (And Kronos would be *amazingly* pissed.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 08:25:53 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> I may jsut be the luckiest man in the world... Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:21:20 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> I may jsut be the luckiest man in the world... >Dominic is noted >For being long coated- >His style's quite outmoded >And that's good enough for me! > >David took a chance >By refusing sword or lance. >Please get that man some pants! >That'd be good enough for me. > >Andre's wares are traded >To keep his lusts quite sated >"Feh - virtue's overrated." >And that's good enough for me. >- -- >Eric Alfred Burns - > > Well, if it's gonna be _that_ way... Oh, her angels all love Gabby, Although she can be real crabby And Dommie's keeping tabby, for a trial for heresy. When the bar is run by Lilith, She’ll keep your cup quite filleth, But just wait until she billeth: Drink somewhere Lilim-free. O a-wandering is Eli, And he’s acting mighty silly, Not-to-mention touchy-feely: Worse than the Grigori* I feel much better now. :) Moe *"FIVE... GRI-GOR-IIII ... four flaming swords, three new Songs, two Body Bags... And a 2nd ed I-N R-P-G..." ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:21:19 -0500 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: Re: IN> Alien angels? Liam Astley writes: > Kay Dekker wrote: > > > > If Creation encompasses other corporeal beings > > similar to, or greater than, us in sentience, > > did the Creator provide them with Celestials? > > If not, why not? If so, are they our Celestials > > too, similar but different, or completely Other? > > And what happens when the Zeta Reticulans land > > here? > > I think the game works a lot better if you go along with the > humanocentric view of most religions and assume there aren't other > forms of life out in space. IMC, there were millions of intelligent species throughout the universe. The twist was that each one had a test equivalent to the Garden of Eden at some early point in its history. (Not always an apple and tree, though -- the temptations of an intelligent soliton wave in the corona of a blue giant are not even comprehensible to a human, and vice versa.) As it happens, homo sapiens were the only species that *failed*. This is why the rebellion happened -- Lucifer rebelled when he was told they still had to love and cherish a flawed and evil mankind. All the most powerful celestials in the universe were concentrated here because demons could only enter the physical universe where there was evil, and the angels came here to stop them. This was also the solution of the Fermi paradox -- there were plenty of intelligent species, but they had all been told to avoid coming to Earth because it was full of evil humans and demons who acted in ways they had no experience coping with. I took this route because it was kind of an anti-Lovecraftian worldview: while the universe is vast and shatteringly strange, wherever you go you are at home because kindness and love do not require similarity to operate. There's this marvelous moment in C.S. Lewis's _Out of the Silent Planet_ when the protagonist meets an alien. He sees that whenever he tries to match it to a human form it looks hideous and strange but when he tries to see it as itself it becomes beautiful. Yes, I really like Galactic Federations featuring thousands of intelligent species in my space opera. :) - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:56:41 -0400 From: Jason Schneiderman Subject: Re: IN> I may just be... Pay your due respects to Fleur'ty - smoke a bowl or down a 40. In the coroner's report-y you'll be smiling - yessiree! If you wish to keep that smile drink a toast to old Belial - else you'll smoke for quite a while at 375 degree... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:03:41 -0500 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Re: Adam, Eve, and the Grigori > six forces just like Adam and Eve. Just a note, Adam and Eve had 15 Forces (CPG p17). Otherwise I agree with your statements about the Grigori, for the most part. If would definately be a case of the actions of a few getting the whole choir outcast. However, about the Grigori not being repentent, I simply can't agree with that. My vote is that they actually like being outcasts. It gives them a complete excuse to hang out with humans, whom they love so much, and do whatever they please without having to listen to Dominic anymore. The greatest part is, even though they are outcasts, Dominic can't hunt them anymore since that would be punishing them additionally (which would be dissonant to his Word). But overall, the whole sentence of being outcast is rather unique and complicated. It persecutes the Grigori with a status that would normally involve being persecuted. As it is, being Outcast doesn't mean that much to them. Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 03:59:14 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> Mariel, (Oopsified) >Ain't it keen? Yep. Nice writeup. Hmm, I wonder if he hawked up the late Prince of Sloth, too. That'd be interesting. An excerpt from my incomplete writeup for same: "Meserach, a Cherub in the service of Destiny, was the proud holder of the Word of Patience. Too proud, perhaps. For when humans appeared, Meserach was among those angels who were less than wholly pleased with God's handiwork. "For millenia he had been telling his fellow celestials, from feckless Ofanim to flighty Mercurians, to wait and to be Patient, that God had wonders yet to unfold. And the purpose of his Patience turned out to be... this? A band of dirty, quarrelsome half-apes? "And not only were humans inherently contemptible, but they seemed like a deadly threat to Meserach's Word as well. After all, how could creatures doomed to die in a few decades ever have true Patience? If these monkeys were to replace angels as the crown of God's creation, then what would become of patient Meserach? "The Cherub thus required little persuasion to join the Rebellion; he felt betrayed by God, and outraged at the prospect of a human-centric universe. He was one of Lucifer's earliest supporters, and legend has it that when the Rebellion failed, he was the first angel to 'dive' from Heaven in pursuit of the falling Lightbringer. Some say that Lucifer's subsequent bequest of the Word of Sloth may have been an ironic commentary on the fallen Cherub's eagerness..." In my writeup, Meserach is a bit like Baal. That is, he's one of those Fallen who was sort of a jerk even before the Fall... a pious prig and a Pollyanna, constantly telling the other angels to have Patience, while Cherubically certain of his own righteousness. Though our writeups vary widely, both Eric and I see Mariel as a tragic figure. Meserach, though, is a nasty piece of work; he wasn't very likable to begin with, and the Fall did nothing to improve him. Arrogant, self-indulgent, and motivated by a boundless resentment of humanity, he combines some of the least attractive features of Baal, Andrealphus, and Beleth. Part of the reason I've been slow to expand his writeup is that I just don't like the guy. It's probably going to have to wait until I'm in a suitably villainous mood... I have no idea what he'd Redeem as. No way would they give him his old Word back, that's for sure. Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:22:23 -0500 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Re: The Celestial Name of the Grigori >> >> >> P. 122. Protected by three Seraphim, who chant the names of new things as >> they come into existence. It contains the names of all things, past, >> present and future. > > Hm... Reading this, I ask myself if Yves COULD "destroy" a name. It > contains ALL things past, present and future and the Grigori still > exist. > > Sammael Yves is the (bleep)in' embodiment of the Symphony. He named God. In my book, and in his Book, he can do whatever the hell he wants. Of course, that's but my humble opinion. But you are right in that there should probably be some more dangerous consequences of having a name removed from the Symphony. Maybe Yves can have premature balding. Oh, wait, he already does. And he's what, as old as time? That's probably not premature. Hmm. Maybe he could be transcribed into a Moe-&-Eric-style poem! Ahem: Yves has many books he keeps in many nooks. He's creepy and he's kooky, mysterious and spooky. He's altogether ooky. That's good enough for me. There. Finally a punishment that befits the crime. Dominic would be proud. Maybe Saminga can sit under some balcony and recite it to his new-found love, Mariel, child of his own stomach. Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:29:06 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> In> The Matrix As the designer of In Nomine Matrix here's Jean's explanation: "You stupid monkeys. Calorie consumption is minimalized because the fact remains you foolish little evolutionary by-products of celestial intervention are simply firing of neurons your entire lives. Your bones are liquified to it's base calcium and also any unfortunate by products of consumption such as feces, sweat, and urine and the like all join your tissue in being reprocessed. It's really quite efficent as we are able to regulate the few matters that would increase the need for corpses like population growth and similar matters quite handily. Of course if it becomes to expand such necessary steps like cloning and other materials can be replicated and harvested to insert into the Matrix in sufficent quantities to satify variables...the AI's work quickly after all to preserve their source of power though such alterations are rarely needed. A growing and stable society both." After all the world hasn't gotton really any bigger... Unfortunately looking above I'm fairly sure Jean may be on the verge of falling due to his guilt and pride affecting his decisions regarding humanity. I can't really see any non-dissonante Elohite from an objective basis signing off on the Matrix. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:45:16 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> How to Spot an Impudite Uh oh. They. Are. On. To. Us. - -- - --- Tim, really a Renegade Impudite ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 10:44:55 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Soldekai Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 23:01:08 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Soldekai >P.S. Honorable crazy one I'm presuming that's me. :) >would you write out what happens to Belial and >Gabrielle as a result of the New Crusade? I would >personally like to see it...and the Seraphim >Council's reaction when Dominic asks for forgiveness >instead of permisson So would I. However, there's two reasons why I won't be doing so right this second: 1). I have no idea how it ends. The G/B will probably be resolved _somehow_, but it's got to evolve in my brain a while longer. 2). There's so much I still need to cram in. Hell's bells, I haven't even gotten to stage Two. There's still the Ignes, the Oriflamme, the exploding volcanoes, the Grigori Incursion, the exploding chemical factories, the Counter-Crusade, the Tsayadim, the ethereal pantheons, the exploding nuclear reactors, the rise of the Extinguishers, the Grey Sorcerers, the exploding cows, and, oh, there's just so many other things to include! Also, I still have to get started on New Crusade: the CCG, where players try to amass support for their faction in the Seraphim Council, by any means necessary. Some of the above is facetious, but I actually _do_ have a lot of weird-a** stuff that still needs to get out on paper. Sorry... :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:51:26 -0700 From: "ben" Subject: Re: IN> Soldekai > to get started on New Crusade: the CCG, where players > try to amass support for their faction in the Seraphim > Council, by any means necessary. *twitch* IN NOMINE: Halo and Horns You play a demonic or angelic faction seeking to control the world! Just think, you could use the *exact* same rules, premise, and attitude as Illuminati (deluxe, not the CCG crap)! It'd rule. Belial uses the Firefighters Union to take over OSHA. Spend 60 essence points to add to the dice roll, *and* I'm playing a "Angelic Squabble" so you can't get any help defending it. TAKE THAT, NAUGHTY SPAWN! OOoOoOOoooOoOoooOooh. *hint* *hint* Illuminati: In Nomine. Just think of all the crazy cross-over sales you'd get. MAKE IT. YOU HAVE THE ART. YOU HAVE THE RULES. YOU JUST NEED THE WILL TO GO ON. Please. You'd make a simple gamer very happy. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:25 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> I may just be... Imagine there's no heaven It's easy if you try Hell supreme now Above us only sky Imagine all the humans Living Andre's way... Imagine there's no archangels It isn't hard to do No Malakites to kill us And no religion too Imagine all the animals Living Saminga's way... You may say I'm a demon But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:38:26 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Fwd: Names of God (This isn't really very on-topic, but the results (if any) will probably amuse a decent number of the other subscribers, so I'll forward this. --Beth) >From: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 15:26:00 -0600 >To: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from ["Bevan Thomas" ] >From: "Bevan Thomas" >Subject: IN> Names of God >Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 13:24:21 -0800 > >I'm writing a comic book about demon-slaying in the 14th century. Does any >of you know the secret names of God or where I could find out about them? >One of my characters is a theurgist and I want him to use those when casting >magic. Thanks. > >-Bevan Thomas > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:45:09 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> In Nomine> The Matrix >From: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 19:51:04 -0600 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from ["Bevan Thomas" ] >From: "Bevan Thomas" >Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine> The Matrix >Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2000 17:49:23 -0800 > >Are you sure? I remember from my grade 12 Biology class that there are five >kinds of living things: animals, plants, fungus, amboeas et al, and >bacteria. > >In fact there would be a greater connection between plants and animals then >between animals and bacteria (as they are higher lifeforms). So unless >Jordi's word is taken a little loosely then I take it, then it would not >cover "bacteria." > >And at least in canon, I don't think homo sapiens are considered animals for >the purpose of Jordi's word. Didn't Michael tell him that they were outside >his sphere of control when Jordi wanted to destroy humanity way back when? >(in the In Nomine GameMaster's Guide, I believe) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Maurice Lane >To: >Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 5:23 PM >Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine> The Matrix > > >> *Of course, many people _like_ D/LC campaigns, so >> that's cool. I should point out, however, that the >> Word "Animals" encompasses "Bacteria" (for that >> matter, "Animals" encompasses "homo sapiens"), so >> Jordi may not be out for the count yet. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:52:55 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Angel of Emancipation Zedikiah Angel of Emancipation Cherub of Janus Master of Motion Vassal of Protection Cor-4 Str-10 Ag-6 Eth-3 Int-6 Pre-6 Cel- 6 Wil-12 Per-12 Word Forces: 15 Vessel: Human 3/ (Charisma +2) Role: U.N. relief worker 3/ "Johnathan Adams" (Status 3) Songs: Song of Attraction (Ethereal 3/), Song of Form (Corporeal 2/, Celestial 4/), Song of Harmony (Corporeal 3/ Ethereal 3/), Song of Healing (Corporeal 5/), Song of Light (Corporeal 2/), Wings (3/) Skills: Artistry (Song writing) 4/, Fast Talk 4/, Climbing 2/, Detect lies 3/, Emote 4/, Escape 3/, Fighting 2/, Move silently 2/ (Lgn: Sudanese 6/, English 3/, French 2/, Spanish 3/, Aramic 3/, Numerous Tribal Tongues 1-3) Attunements: Angel of Emancipation, Cherub of Janus, Seraph of Janus, Cherub of Zadkiel, Passage, Friend of the Unseen, Master of Motion, Vassal of Protection Special Rites: * Free someone from Bondage whether physical or mental * Inspire someone to the joys of freedom Zedikiah is not a very old angel to be having as powerful a word and a position as he does but he has worked diligently and with all his heart and soul for his word even before he achieved it. His first assignment as a angel was to gaurd and try and ease the suffering of the crew of a slave ship...and the experience effected him profoundly even after he escaped and the crew itself was overthrown. After the mission was completed, different as how his superior expected, Zedikiah asked to be assigned more slave assignments. Though the Underground Railroad never had a measurable effect on the institution of slavery, it had a great effect on a number of lives and Zedikiah was always where slaves suffered needlessly under the yolk of others whether American or Arabic or Haitian. Zedikiah achieved his word after sacraficing his vessel in battle with a Confederate Calabim Slave Hunter, the emanicipation proclamation having been made by the one known as Lincoln. The Seraphim Council deciding that those freeded from bondage needed a great deal of protection for their rites accepted Janus's petition that Zedikiah recieve this word. Zedikiah did his best to fight to keep those who had once been in bondage from falling back under it but Hell was far too pervasive and the means too controversial for Hell not to make the fight a very slow one. Eventually Janus gave him other duties which restored him to an area he was considerably better at, freeing those who are wrongfully in chains and inspiring those who had lost all hope of throwing off what kept them under the thumb of their master whether alchohal or gun. Zedikiah has also recently returned to something he had never hoped to do again in the lands of the Sudan and other African nations he returned to once Heaven detailed that the remanents of Imperialism had left the place still a hellish land of slavery. The slave trade despite passionate efforts on his part continues unabated and many tribesmen and members of religeons unprotected by the law will live and die in bondage despite his best efforts....though he continues with the blessing of both the U.N. and Seraphim Council to try and make this fact change. Zedikiah is one of the happiest angels that characters are going to meet in their lifetime, the cherub long resigned to the fact that there are horrors that can only be born but knowing that each little part one person does can change a single life forever...and with enough people making such changes there will be a chance for all in the long run. Zedikiah appears to be a perpetually happy shaven headed black man who is neither muscular nor imposing but indeed possesed with a perpetual grin on his face and a song in his throat from a dozen different countries and lanquages but all carrying the same sentiment of the glories of freedom and redemption. It is part of his nature that anyone who will be free must not only throw off the physical oppression around him but also the spiritual and mental oppression that mankind inflicts upon itself in order to keep a man feeling worthless...and pressed to hell. Zedikiah thus in order to help does his best to keep those around him upbeat and strong, this colors his views toward Hell and is sympathetic to most demons who grow up in his view as slaves themselves. Ironically Zedikiah does not spare any sympathy though for the Lilim or their mother whom he calls "The Princess of Slavery". It is sometimes somewhat shocking to the band which prides itself on their freedom that the angelic embodiment of it has never given but an ugly death to the Lilim he encounters. Because of the great deal of demonic infestation in the lands he resides in, Zedikiah is about to ask Janus and Mother Zadkiel for aid in his quests....a request they may pass on to the others depending on the need. Zedikiah's attunement works essentially like the Song of Celestial Charm in reverse, instead of removing willpower it bestows it on the subject per the check digit. The Song costs three essence to perform and functions as if Zedikiah had a 6/0 in the skill with no disturbance. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:11:56 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Emancipation From: "Charles Phipps" > Zedikiah > Angel of Emancipation You realise that Lillith will be devoting time to squishing him like a bug, right? ;;;) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:24:32 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Emancipation >> Zedikiah >> Angel of Emancipation > >You realise that Lillith will be devoting time to squishing him like a bug, >right? ;;;) Nonono. Lilith likes him just fine! Of course, she'd like him _even better_ if he were to switch sides... IMC (and IMO) Lilith is pretty dark gray in most regards -- selfish, treacherous, manipulative -- but impartial when it comes to supporting her Word; freedom is freedom. This is why, IMC, there have been half a dozen Demons of Slavery so far. They keep coming to mysterious ends, you see. Nothing can ever be traced to Lilith, but the present holder of that Word is heavily discordant and spends most of his time in hiding. Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:37:19 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Emancipation From: "Douglas Muir" > > > >You realise that Lillith will be devoting time to squishing him like a bug, > >right? ;;;) > > Nonono. Lilith likes him just fine! Of course, she'd like him _even > better_ if he were to switch sides... > > IMC (and IMO) Lilith is pretty dark gray in most regards -- selfish, > treacherous, manipulative -- but impartial when it comes to supporting her > Word; freedom is freedom. That makes sense, but I would still have Lilith view Zedikiah as something that needs to be removed. The thought of someone with a Word that mirrors her own working for the other side would, IMC/O, be more than she would be able to put up with. Besides, seeing Freedom trying to crush Emancipation is just too delicious a thought for me not to run with. :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:44:27 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Emancipation - --On Monday, October 30, 2000 3:11 PM -0600 Prodigal wrote: > From: "Charles Phipps" > > >> Zedikiah >> Angel of Emancipation > > You realise that Lillith will be devoting time to squishing him > like a bug, right? ;;;) > Oh no! He'd be far too useful bought and trussed up.... Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Can you say 'buyout'? Can you say 'shell companies'?") ------------------------------ Date: 30 Oct 2000 13:45:29 -0800 From: Eric Bertish Subject: Re: IN> Impudite mindset > neatly warped reasoning, Eric. i should have said this to Moe regarding his 'renegade Calabite Prince waging guerilla warfare against hell' idea, so i'll say it to both of you here: you're sick, so please don't seek help! :) Thanks, I guess. _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:23:11 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Gebbeleth: Demon Prince of Secrets (Deceased, Background) At 2:10 PM -0400 10/28/00, Douglas Muir wrote: [...] >(Line Editor, any update on this since February? I wouldn't think...) No, no updates. O:/ >>>Mariel, Princess of Oblivion, devoured by Haagenti. Band unknown, [...] As Angel of Memory, shouldn't she have been a Seraph of Jean? I mean, look at that Choir Attunement. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:30:54 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Reign of Steel At 4:15 PM -0500 10/28/00, Santiago wrote: [...] > The first thing that I though when I read Reign of Steel was >that it should really be impossible to take out a Zonemind, because >none would actually be so stupid as to have a single core. > [...]the Lucifer AI might [be] stealing >cycles from all the other Zoneminds to support itself... I want to tell you that you are evil, evil, evil. I like you. This also means that not even a rogue Kyriotate of Jean could +hope+ to take one out ---- lotsa Forces! Whee! (Naming no names, be sure that the RoS thread maintains at least a little IN content -- this ain't gurps-l, ya know...) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:37:08 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: Sidekicks At 6:33 PM -0400 10/28/00, Douglas Muir wrote: >Mind you -- what happens when his attunement tells him "no way out but >violence"... but he hasn't yet tried talking, as his Dissonance condition >requires? Wince, eat the point of Dissonance, and attack? But then he >gets _two_ points, because of his Oath... ow. Hmmm... Betharan : (jumping lightly over the edge of the balcony and landing near Joshua and Natalie) I'm afraid leaving isn't an option. Joshua : Well, I've tried the kindness. Betharan : I must have missed it. Joshua : I was in a hurry. http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/fiction/Musical.html O:> - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 16:56:49 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Saints in Hell At 5:50 PM -0800 10/29/00, James Walker wrote: [Saints] >>If you somehow fiat one down to the Gates of Hell (instead of down >>a Tether, where, unless the Tether has no Seneschal, they will have >>been very obvious), presumably only the two Judgment angels would >>really notice them -- though they might look "shinier" than the >>damned souls. That's really a GM call. >I was under the impression that one's Forces were visible when Celestial. Even if they are (and for non-Superiors to be counting Forces with more than plus/minus 2 or 3 errors; GM call!), there are still the occasional 7-Force Hellsworn. >On evil thoughts, assume a Saint of Micheal who has been granted a green, >horned humanoid vessel (remembering that a human in Celestial resembles >their body/vessel), owes lots of Geases/3 to a Bright and uses a Tether of >Freedom to travel to the Guild House of Free Lilim. A reasonable spy? Not in _my_ canon... (( O.o )) ^ (Charlie Brown eyes as drawn by Phil Foglio.) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:02:46 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Grigori At 7:05 PM +0100 10/29/00, Benedikt wrote: [...] >Why was their punishment that hard? Flip answer: because they were bad angels. More serious answer -- because they were doing what they had been created to combat: serious meddling in the corporeal realm. >I could understand if Dominic had cast out some of the Watchers, but why the >whole choir??? I can´t believe that every Grigori broke heaven´s laws. Clearly the details were such that the whole Choir was guilty. Not all the details are revealed. >Could individual Grigori redeem? They are not Fallen -- they're cast out. So no. A Fallen Grigori might be redeemed, but would still be an exile. >How many of them have survived? Fnord. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:05:08 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Time Zones... At 7:59 PM +0000 10/29/00, John Dallman wrote: >I have this dreadful feeling that this is one of those questions that >everyone's agreed to ignore... Actually, IIRC, it's in the GMG. And it's "roughly every 24 hours, normalizing to the current timing if possible." If I Recall Correctly. >Things get a bit more interesting if you're travelling at high speed. Air >travel will let you get two sunrises or sunsets a lot closer than 23 hours >56 minutes. Do they both give you a point of essence back? NO. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:06:40 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Gebbeleth: Demon Prince of Secrets (Deceased, Background) At 4:39 AM -0400 10/28/00, Douglas Muir wrote: >Raphael, Archangel of Knowledge, killed by Legion. The APG states that Eratted, last I heard. Right? RIGHT? >Genubath, Prince of Rapine, vanished when Valefor stole his Word. Band >unknown, but David has him as a Shedite. I have this weird feeling I read Calabite in S4, but can't find the reference. >Makatiel, Prince of Disease, band unknown, killed by the forces of Dominic >and Asmodeus. Habbalite. S1. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:22:26 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> The inevitable Halloween question. Anybody dressing up as their favorite Choir / Band / Superior / whatnot? Heh. I bet somebody asks this _every_ year... :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! 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