From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Oct 30 23:19:11 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18749 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:19:11 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id XAA31594 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:17:57 -0600 Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:17:57 -0600 Message-Id: <200010310517.XAA31594@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1891 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, October 30 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1891 In this digest: IN> InNominati Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1889 Re: IN> In> Angel of Emancipation Re: IN> Grigori Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1889 Re: IN> Grigori Re: IN> In> Angel of Emancipation IN> The Angel of Emancipation Re: IN> Well, if it's Superiors Weekend... Re: IN> Well, if it's Superiors Weekend... Re: IN> In> Angel of Emancipation Re: IN> InNominati Re: IN> The inevitable Halloween question. Re: IN> Nephilim and Gorgon Stats Re: IN> Saints in Hell Re: IN> Well, if it's Superiors Weekend... Re: IN> Gebbeleth: Demon Prince of Secrets (Deceased, Background) Re: IN> In> Angel of Emancipation Re: IN> Mariel, (Oopsified) Re: IN> Gebbeleth: Demon Prince of Secrets (Deceased, Background) Re: IN> Saints in Hell Re: IN> Time Zones... Re: IN> Grigori Re: IN> InNominati Re: IN> Well, if it's Superiors Weekend... IN> Not precisely a sidekick. More like a wandering monster of Goofyness. Re: IN> Well, if it's Superiors Weekend... Re: IN> The Return of Mariel IN> A Lilim Archangel IN> In> Demogorgon ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:44:19 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> InNominati Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 11:51:26 -0700From: "ben" > to get started on New Crusade: the CCG, where players > try to amass support for their faction in the > Seraphim Council, by any means necessary. >*twitch* >IN NOMINE: Halo and Horns >Illuminati: In Nomine. Just think of all the crazy >cross-over sales you'd get. MAKE IT. YOU HAVE THE >ART. YOU HAVE THE RULES. YOU JUST NEED THE WILL TO >GO ON. >Please. You'd make a simple gamer very happy. >Ben That's... a damn good idea. Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:30:40 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1889 - --On Monday, October 30, 2000 17:59 -0500 Rolland Therrien wrote: > > You guys wanna know what's REALLY wierd? The other day, while > listening to the "Independant Women" song from the Charlie's Angel > soundtrack, done by "what'stheirname", I had this idea about an > Lillim Archangel: The Archangel of Independance. > She looked like Drew Barrymore, didn't she? 'fess up. > She'd be working on promoting all forms of Independance: not only > political independance, but social, cultural and financial > independance as well. I was imagining her as a strong ideal of TRUE > feminism: Empowering women so they're equal to men, not just the > promotion of women's hatred towards men. > Wouldn't this be a completely different Word? (When you said 'Independence' earlier, I imagined the celestial meaning as "free from the tyrany of bondage-in-choice", or, to the point, not having your free will yoked against your wishes to someone else.) > I was also imagining Lillith's reaction to a Lillim getting the word > of Independance from God in one sentance: "The. Little. (BLEEP!) I > give her Life, I give her a Start, and WHAT does she give ME in > return!? I want her DEAD!" To my mind it could go either way; calculating what advantage might be had from an archangelic daughter, or a raging catfight that even CBS couldn't edit for television. > And My Archangel's reaction? "My my, > mother... So much Bitterness... Could it be you hate me so, now? > ...Or is it because I've achieved what YOU could've had...?" > I can't imagine a Bright being that smarmy and smug without falling again. > > Mind you, it was just an idea I had... Nothing serious, nothing in > stats... > Still an exceedingly cool idea. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("She did WHAT?") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:50:51 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> In> Angel of Emancipation At 7:13 PM -0600 10/30/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: > > > >> No, I'm sorry, I can't even *begin* to get into the mindset that >> would see anything Lillith has ever done in the entire history of the >> cosmos that way. > > >Agreed. I don't see how the person who deliberately and knowingly created >the first Infernal Tether on Earth can possibly be said to have humanity's >best interests at heart. [1] Actually, I'd think the Angel of Emancipation would *loath* Lilith. She might see his Word as being related to hers, but he would see her Word as the *opposite* of his. Lilith's Infernal, and Infernal Freedom, at its core, is Anarchy. No rules. No constraints. And not the good kind of Anarchy, either. The Might makes Right kind. Which means the man with the biggest club gets the biggest house, and the world is in a constant state of revolution, with bands of smaller guys getting together to take out the bullies, then new bullies forming out of them. Lather, rinse, repeat. Emancipation works -- *really* works -- when there are forces above the individual that are working to keep the individual's rights preserved. Liberation not only from chains but from fear. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:54:15 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Grigori Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:02:46 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Grigori At 7:05 PM +0100 10/29/00, Benedikt wrote:[...] How many of them have survived? >Fnord. (Factions Balprop) HA! The Council is LIEING to you! They made a horrible mistake, and want to cover it up! The Council exiled Grigori queen breeders* without sterilizing them first! By now there's MILLIONS of them! In fact, everyone else you know is a Grigori, and they lie in wait, waiting for you to let down your guard, so that they can... ..err, do whatever it is that Grigori actually _do_ in core rules canon. But believe me, it's EVIL! EVIL EVIL EVIL! TRUST NO ONE! (/Factions Balprop) Actually, I know that "Fnord's" the best answer. I just had to get that out. :) Moe *Otherwise known, in polite company, as "Archangels". ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:56:55 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1889 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Bowden" To: Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:30 PM Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1889 [snip] > > And My Archangel's reaction? "My my, > > mother... So much Bitterness... Could it be you hate me so, now? > > ...Or is it because I've achieved what YOU could've had...?" > I can't imagine a Bright being that smarmy and smug without falling > again. Really? If indulging yourself in a little Rubbing It In made angels Fall, then Michael, Janus, etc. would have plummeted like stones. Along with most of their servitors. (I mean, come on -- flipping demons the bird and going "LOOOOOO-SERRRR!" has got to be one of the favorite pastimes of Servitors of the Wind, and about the only thing that saved Michael's hide was the maxim "If you can *do* it, then it ain't braggin.") - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:20:40 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Grigori At 5:54 PM -0800 10/30/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:02:46 -0500 >From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: >Re: IN> Grigori >At 7:05 PM +0100 10/29/00, Benedikt wrote:[...] >>How many of them have survived? >>Fnord. > >(Factions Balprop) > >HA! The Council is LIEING to you! They made a >horrible mistake, and want to cover it up! The >Council exiled Grigori queen breeders* without >sterilizing them first! Moe... What's _in_ your water? And do you realize that if you bottle it, you might make a few bucks? Queen breeders indead. Don't trust that BalProp, there! No, indeed, the _TRUTH_ is that those so-called human descendants of the Grigori are merely PUPAL STAGE ANGELS. >By now there's MILLIONS of them! See? See? Why, if those Seraphim Council mucky- mucks were serious about caring for humans, they'd have instituted some kind of purge long ago! Why, at this rate, these so-called humans are going to overwhelm the globe! What are they breeding for? Why, nothing less than an INVASION OF HELL! Those souls that come in the Gates of Hades? They're just waiting to throw off their false seemings and KILL US ALL IN OUR BEDS! >TRUST NO ONE! Ya got that right. Oh. Was this microphone on? Shush, shush, friend citizen. Nothing to see here, move along, move along. And remember, spreading rumors is treason. The Game does not like treason... - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:06:10 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> In> Angel of Emancipation Just to be picky.... Anarchy does not mean no rules, but simply no leaders. On the other hand, the might-makes-right rule could be a twisted form of anarchy (as long as no one rose to permanent power). However, I've always been found of Lilith (Biblical or In Nomine-ish), and I think I'll go with the In Nomine rulebooks when they say that unique among the Superiors, Lilith embraces all forms of her word, good and bad. She's as much for no slavery as she is for no gun-control. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Whistling in the Dark To: Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 5:50 PM Subject: Re: IN> In> Angel of Emancipation > > Lilith's Infernal, and Infernal Freedom, at its core, is Anarchy. No > rules. No constraints. And not the good kind of Anarchy, either. The > Might makes Right kind. Which means the man with the biggest club > gets the biggest house, and the world is in a constant state of > revolution, with bands of smaller guys getting together to take out > the bullies, then new bullies forming out of them. Lather, rinse, > repeat. > > Emancipation works -- *really* works -- when there are forces above > the individual that are working to keep the individual's rights > preserved. Liberation not only from chains but from fear. > -- > Eric Alfred Burns - > > Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:06:25 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Angel of Emancipation >Demon Princes don't work that way. Someone with a similar Word is not >viewed as a potential ally; they are viewed as a threat. * Ben please bother to read my entire post in the context of LILITH'S mind. Lilith viewed him as a resource that could be manipulated. He's proven unmanipulatable by direct Lilim means thus far and thus is an annoyance...however the fact remains I don't hink right now Lilith would consider him woth any major time or effort. Also counterpoint Baal and Michael and Armageddon. - -Charlemagne * It was her "on", the very concept of the angel of emancipation is that he invalidates Lilith as anything other than the person whose betrayed humanity and condemned them to slavery under Lucifer. I think it's rather hard to read his opinions without assuming this view. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:11:26 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Well, if it's Superiors Weekend... Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:29:37 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Well, if it's Superiors Weekend... > Better late than never -- some of us didn't have >access to our e-mail on Sunday (I really must get >that modem replaced...). >Vocatiel >Archangel of Communication I liked, but one quibble: >Servitor Attunements >Edited for Content > Whether this Attunement constitutes protection >or censorship depends on whom you ask. For 3 Essence >the angel can edit a message so as to remove any >content that would encourage selfish behavior or lead >a mortal to his Fate. Vocatiel will find herself a de facto member of the War Faction within five minutes after this Attunement is used on the corporeal plane for the first time, because Nybbas will immediately declare war to the knife. _I_ would, in his shoes, and I'm a big softy. :) Still, neat-o. Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:17:46 -0500 From: "Aaron Medwin" Subject: Re: IN> Well, if it's Superiors Weekend... From: "Maurice Lane" > > >Servitor Attunements > >Edited for Content > > Whether this Attunement constitutes protection >or > censorship depends on whom you ask. For 3 Essence > >the angel can edit a message so as to remove any > >content that would encourage selfish behavior or lead > >a mortal to his Fate. > > > Vocatiel will find herself a de facto member of the > War Faction within five minutes after this Attunement > is used on the corporeal plane for the first time, > because Nybbas will immediately declare war to the > knife. _I_ would, in his shoes, and I'm a big softy. Not to mention... would there be anything left? Even fact will get filtered out("What the f*** is wrong with the world nowadays? It seems everyone's just out for themselves... well, so be it!"). There's always *something* that *somebody* will take the wrong way. > Still, neat-o. Yes, quite. > Moe - -Aaron Medwin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:24:53 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> In> Angel of Emancipation At 6:06 PM -0800 10/30/00, Bevan Thomas wrote: >Just to be picky.... > >Anarchy does not mean no rules, but simply no leaders. On the other hand, >the might-makes-right rule could be a twisted form of anarchy (as long as no >one rose to permanent power). I know -- that's why I said she *didn't* embody the good kind of anarchy. To paraphrase "V for Vendetta," she embodies Chaos, not the purity of leaderless Anarchy. The selfishness of "this is mine and you can't have any." - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:44:54 -0800 From: "Sean McCarthy" Subject: Re: IN> InNominati There is, in fact, an IN:NWO (In Nomine: New World Order) project that was going on for a while. With Superiors as Illuminati and such groups as Cherubim of Janus or Lilim of Haagenti. I don't have a URL, but at least one person on this list was active there (Rev?) and perhaps they know of the current status. (Of course, I'm sure the official SJG answer to this involves them not having the license to do that...anecdotal evidence points to the licensing being rather strict.) Sean ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:50:22 -0800 From: "Sean McCarthy" Subject: Re: IN> The inevitable Halloween question. I was going to have that as a hall costume for a con, except my button would say "Pay no attention to the Impudite under the robes.". I actually considered entering, but that would require a good Kobal costume to wear under the Dominic robe I would 'accidentally' have fall off while on stage. The "Pay no attention to the Impudite under the robes." thing would be broadcast over the speakers as part of my soundtrack. I might still do this. Sean _____NetZero Free Internet Access and Email______ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:54:41 -0800 From: Ryan Elias Subject: Re: IN> Nephilim and Gorgon Stats Charles Phipps wrote: > 1> Did the Grigori use the Song of Fruitation or interbreed with humans, if > the latter was just 2 out of six pregancies Nephalim.... Nope. Grigori were close enough to human to breed without any songs (can't remember where I read this, but I'm sure I did somewhere, CPG, perhaps?). Cheers, Ryan "In another time in another place, where our history bends, We could have been the best of friends, and not merely related." -XTC, Hold Me My Daddy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:05:17 -0800 From: Ryan Elias Subject: Re: IN> Saints in Hell David Edelstein wrote: > > >I was under the impression that one's Forces were visible when Celestial. > > > > Even if they are (and for non-Superiors to be counting Forces with > > more than> plus/minus 2 or 3 errors; GM call!), there are still the > > occasional 7-Force> Hellsworn. > > (I would assume that you can get a rough indication of how many Forces > someone has in celestial form, since the number of Celestial Forces > gives you a bonus to Perception rolls, but a margin of error of 2-3 > sounds reasonable.) Might one assume, though, that our 7 force Saint in hell might stand out in comparison to the souls around it? Basically, does the force detection thing require concentration on the subject or anything, or does one simply appear brighter, or more solid or whatever, depending on how many one has? Cheers, Ryan "'If you cut us, do we not bleed?', said Mr. Croup. Mr. Vandemar pondered this for a moment. Then he said, with perfect accuracy 'No.'" -Neil Gaiman, Neverwhere ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:07:48 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> Well, if it's Superiors Weekend... Nice. I particularly like those attunements. Actually, I think this might be a great Word for a Redeemed Nybbas. Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:08:29 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> Gebbeleth: Demon Prince of Secrets (Deceased, Background) >At 2:10 PM -0400 10/28/00, Douglas Muir wrote: >[...] >>(Line Editor, any update on this since February? I wouldn't think...) > >No, no updates. O:/ Whatcha gonna do. >>>>Mariel, Princess of Oblivion, devoured by Haagenti. Band unknown, [...] > >As Angel of Memory, shouldn't she have been a Seraph of Jean? I mean, >look at that Choir Attunement. Was Jean already an AA at the Fall? Besides, she would've had the Angel of Memory attunement. Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:47:45 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> In> Angel of Emancipation "V for Vendetta"... what a great book. Reveals to everyone the beauty of anarchy and the heroism of Guy Fawkes. God, I love Alan Moore. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Whistling in the Dark To: Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 6:24 PM Subject: Re: IN> In> Angel of Emancipation > > I know -- that's why I said she *didn't* embody the good kind of > anarchy. To paraphrase "V for Vendetta," she embodies Chaos, not the > purity of leaderless Anarchy. The selfishness of "this is mine and > you can't have any." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:45:12 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> Mariel, (Oopsified) >>Hmm, I wonder if he hawked up the late Prince of >>Sloth, too. That'd be interesting. > >Yeah... to see, not to do. The problem is, I don't >like the bugger any more than you do. Let him stay >digested, and far away from Oops, is my motto. :) > >The stuff you posted so far looks good, though. >Finish it up, by all means. Well, thank you. Having some white heat of my own here... may post (part of) an extended writeup shortly. Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:50:49 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Gebbeleth: Demon Prince of Secrets (Deceased, Background) Not according to the Demonic Player's Guide. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas Muir To: Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:08 PM Subject: Re: IN> Gebbeleth: Demon Prince of Secrets (Deceased, Background) > Was Jean already an AA at the Fall? > > Besides, she would've had the Angel of Memory attunement. > > > Doug M. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:50:06 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Saints in Hell Especially if one assumes that the average damned soul probably has around 3 or so at best (most of them being pulled off by hungry demons looking for quick essence). - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Elias To: Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 7:05 PM Subject: Re: IN> Saints in Hell > > Might one assume, though, that our 7 force Saint in hell might stand out > in comparison to the souls around it? > > Basically, does the force detection thing require concentration on the > subject or anything, or does one simply appear brighter, or more solid > or whatever, depending on how many one has? > > Cheers, > Ryan > > "'If you cut us, do we not bleed?', said Mr. Croup. > Mr. Vandemar pondered this for a moment. Then he said, with perfect > accuracy 'No.'" > -Neil Gaiman, Neverwhere ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:15:03 -0600 From: Santiago Subject: Re: IN> Time Zones... >--- John Dallman wrote: >>How about if you're in a polar zone and there isn't going to be a >>sunset for weeks? > > I would say that the actual time at the celestial's physical location >is more important than whether or not the Sun is visible (if you make >actual sunrise or sunset the determiner, demons are screwed at the >poles during the months when the Sun never sets -- and angels are >screwed the other six months). Actually, they're both screwed during both winter and summer. If the sun stays up (or down) for several months, then there's no sunrise or sunset during that whole time... - -- Santiago ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:16:07 -0600 From: Santiago Subject: Re: IN> Grigori >By now there's MILLIONS of them! In fact, everyone >else you know is a Grigori, and they lie in wait, >waiting for you to let down your guard, so that they >can... > >..err, do whatever it is that Grigori actually _do_ in >core rules canon. Have sex with you? Hmmm, this theory may have something to it, after all... - -- Santiago ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:32:59 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> InNominati Sean McCarthy wrote: > > There is, in fact, an IN:NWO (In Nomine: New World Order) project that was> going on for a while. With Superiors as Illuminati and such groups as> Cherubim of Janus or Lilim of Haagenti. I don't have a URL, but at least> one person on this list was active there (Rev?) and perhaps they know of the> current status. I still think an IN CCG would work much better using Jyhad/VTES rules than INWO. - -David (the first expansion set in YEARS is coming out this week! Yay!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:35:17 -0500 (EST) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Well, if it's Superiors Weekend... On Sun, 29 Oct 2000, Maurice Lane wrote: > Now, be nice, or I'll send 'Bob', Mercurian of > Creation IST Faith (Angel of Slack) to the front of > the "Things to Hurt People's Brains with" List. You wouldn't DARE... .... would you? - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Anything sounds profound if you put it in quotation marks and sign it Anonymous." -- Anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:59:49 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Not precisely a sidekick. More like a wandering monster of Goofyness. Well, there I was, going through the back issues of the online comic General Protection Fault (finally decided to plow through them. Most nifty). Anyhow, there was a weird cameo of this... I don't know who or what she was, but she was strangely engrossing. And, heck, I've been meaning to write out examples of some of my minor Choirs anyway. :) Morgan (SAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of I wonder if I'm posting too much on this forum. I mean, I _do_ have a webpage, after all. "Mischief" Merry Prankster Master of Motion Angel of Mischief Corporeal Forces: 4 Strength: 6 Agility: 10 Ethereal Forces: 6 Intelligence:12 Precision: 12 Celestial Forces: 6 Will: 12 Perception: 12 Word Forces: 11 Vessel: teenaged girl/3, Charisma +3 Skills: Dodge/6, Emote/6, Fighting/4, Knowledge (Comedy/3, Psychology/3), Lying/3, Medicine/1, Running/6, Savoir-Faire/3 Songs: Attraction (Ethereal/1), Charm (Celestial/1), Empathy (Celestial/1), Fire (Ethereal/1), Form (Celestial/6), Healing (All/1), Light (Ethereal/1, Celestial/3), Motion (Corporeal/5, Ethereal/4, Celestial/5), Shields (All/1) Attunements: Merry Prankster of the Wind, Ofanite of the Wind, Mercurian of the Wind, Master of Motion, Swipe, Passage, Angel of Mischief Angel of Mischief: Mischief walks through her scenarios without anyone actually noticing. Mortals will simply never quite connect the cheerful, pleasantly scatterbrained girl with the chaos going on around them. Celestials may, but it requires a Perception Roll at -2. Mischief also reduces all disturbance that arises from her actions by half, unless a human is killed (even a non-innocent human). Death isn't mischievous: it's just mean. Rites: : Make a person laugh at how ridiculous he or she's being. : Foil an evil (or Evil) plot through a wacky set of circumstances. Wherever there's a works that desperately needs a spanner in it, there's Mischief. She's incredibly hard to pin down, even for one of Janus' Servitors: usually, people just look for the nearest area of utter insanity and start following the trail of comic misunderstandings, punctured egos, and, well, generally zany situations. They probably won't catch her, but the aftermath is often quite amusing, anyway. Mischief showed up a few centuries ago: in fact, she was one of Janus' first Merry Pranksters to make a public impression. It would be nice to say that judging Janus' entire Minor Choir by her antics and behavior would be unfair: nice, but pointless. The only reason that all Merry Pranksters don't act like Mischief is because they _can't_. Mischief serves the positive aspects of her Word. Not for her are situations where people are maliciously hurt or shamed: she instead delights in making the somber laugh and causing the grim to get a wicked gleam in their eye. Mischief has a fine eye for finding the one metaphorical key brick in a wall of pretension and pomposity, and an even better one for knowing how to yank it so that the whole thing falls apart in laughter and silliness. She's also militantly indifferent about puncturing celestial egos, too: stuffy angels might find themselves one of her "projects". Naturally, Servitors of Dark Humor absolutely loathe her (not to mention the Game or Fate). Alas, fighting a Merry Prankster is often an exercise in futility: they can make the laws of probability all twisty, and quite enjoy it when they don’t have to worry about innocents getting in the way. It's like that with Mischief, only more so. Luckily, if a demon encounters her, and runs away amusingly enough, the angel will often let him go. A demon running for his dignity isn't exactly furthering some Nefarious Plan, and, besides, isn't that why we have all these Malakim, anyway? Personally, Mischief's OK to know, if you don't mind knowing an elaborate, relentless practical jokester with strong opinions about people Not Having Fun. She'll pitch in, if it looks like other angels need help with something, ignoring Heavenly politics as beneath her. You may not want the help, but you'll get it, and it will be actually useful. Needless to say, she and Creationers (especially Malakim) get along like a house on fire. Finally, there are those that wonder how on earth any group as stuffy as the Seraphim Council ever gave out this frivolous Word, even if the Archangel of the Wind insisted. Well, the rumor is that they didn't: Mischief just acted as if she had the Word, and pretty soon ... she did. Chew on _that_. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:30:08 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> Well, if it's Superiors Weekend... Vocatiel Archangel of Communication "The world is talking. Listen."<<< *claps* Bravo! Excellent work! :D ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 19:24:59 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> The Return of Mariel And cute little seed. That Word-bound's likely *dead,* though. I mean, Kobal's Haagenti's closest ally, and the joke wasn't *that* funny.... <<< Thank you. ^_^ *sigh* Poor Trista. She was trying so *hard* to prove that she was a good little Comedian too. Haagenti was just the obvious target of convience....well, she could have gone after Saminga or Belial, or maybe Furfur, he's kind of an idiot. The problem with that would be that she would have to leave the safety and security of Shal-Mari and all those damned souls loaded with Essence. What is a girl to do? :P ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 21:10:11 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: IN> A Lilim Archangel If anyone wants to work with this, feel free to do so. ^^ <<< Well, okay. :) - ------------------------------ Gywneth Bright Lilim Archangel of Independence "True freedom lies in independence, the essential reliance on one's own faculties to improve life for the better as one sees fit." Gwyneth is kind of an anomaly in the progress of the War. First of all, she is a Bright Lilim, making her a member of a tiny but well-respected sub-class of Heaven. She was created in Shal-Mari by Lilith in 1959, and almost immediately was dispatched to pay off one of the geasa that was the price of her making. Kronos had expressed an interest in corrupting the atmosphere and feelings that was to lead to the Civil Rights movement and the Summer of Love in America, having seen a glimpse of what those events might mean to future generations. The Prince of Fate was willing to pay Lilith's price and thus the new Lilim was dispatched to Berkeley, California along an experienced Balseraph of Fate named Keslar for her first mission. Gwyneth took in the sights and sounds of Earth with a fresh naivete and joy that frankly sickened the jaded Keslar. Their assignment was to bring several key members of the faculty of the University of Berkeley to their Fates, to prevent them from sympathizing with the civil rights and anti-war protesters to come in the latter part of the decade and the early part of the next one. Unfortunately for Keslar, Gwyneth kept wandering off, getting in trouble due to her stubborn, independent streak. As a result, their mission was half-successful and Kronos was forced to acknowledge that the geas had been paid. Gwyneth was free to return to Hell or stay on Earth, Keslar had to go back to the Archives and face her unamused superior. Gwyneth was quite enamoured of the life she had found in Berkeley. So much was she enamoured that when one of her Geasa was traded to the Archangel of Creation, Gwyneth eagerly accepted a mission in the nearby San Francisco. Her mission was open-ended: simply to encourage the spark of creativity in the artists and musicians of the region. Gwyneth fell to this task with such gusto that the local Servitors of Creation felt obliged to mention it to Eli. Eli came to Earth, in disguise as a mortal musician, and saw for himself how excited the relatively naive Lilim was and returned to Heaven. He found Novalis and convinced the Archangel of Flowers to trade a favor with Lilith for Gywneth's service. So it was that Gwyneth ended up in the service of Flowers just as the Summer of Love revved up. The Lilim didn't realize it, but she was starting to not care about certain things, like getting her own way or manipulating others with Geasa. Novalis kept a close eye on her, at Eli's behest, and when Gywneth's mission of encouraging peace amongst the mortals and she returned to the Tether of Flowers within the city, Novalis herself came down and made her an offer. Over the course of a long walk through Golden Gate Park, Novalis explained to her the nature of Hell (since she had spent so little time there, she was naive of its' nature), and offered to let her remain in her service if she would Redeem. She'd get to spend much more time on Earth, and wouldn't have to worry about her Geasa being traded about. Being able to spend time on Earth and not have to keep getting bounced about to whoever payed the highest to her mother appealed to Gwyneth, so she agreed. It was a beautiful moment for the young Lilim, as she Redeemed right there and then in the park, under Novalis's loving eye. When it was done, the newly-minted Bright Lilim entered the service of Flowers. Her cheerfulness and exuberance over the next three decades won her many friends amongst the angels of Flowers, and greater trust and scope. Gwyneth skyrocketed rapidly to the Master of Flowers distinction, and thus it was no surprise that Novalis returned her to Earth, this time to Paris, France, in 1987. Gwyneth's mission was to serve as a liasion between Flowers, Destiny, and Lightning to protect a brilliant young scientist Destined to make great strides in the cure of AIDS. It was on this mission that Gwyneth encountered her old friend Keslar again. Keslar caught her in a dark alley one night and would have soul-killed her out of vengeance for the humiliation she experienced a few decades back, but for the intervention of a Cherub of Destiny who had attuned to Gwyneth and convienently showed up to soul-kill the Balseraph of Fate. That moment changed Gwyneth. She came to the realization that it was only through independence and self-reliance could one hope to find the strength to challenge life's adversities. When she returned to Heaven in early 1988, Gwyneth had changed, though arguably for the better. She began applying herself diligently, working to prove her own self-reliance and to encourage others to do so also. This came to the worried attention of Novalis, who decided to take her before the Seraphim Council. The Council recognized Gwyneth's work and awarded her the Word of Independence, over David's protest vote. When the bonding was done, Gwyneth went right to work. Novalis, with grave misgivings, decided to free Gwyneth from normal duties, enabling her to work on building her Word. Ironically for a Servitor of Flowers, Gwyneth found much support for her Word amongst the ranks of War, who are normally self-reliant, as well as among Servitors of Fire, The Wind, Lightning, and Animals. By 1998, a year after she gained her Word, she had built it to the point of a major Word. She was called back before the Council and with the sponsorship of Novalis and Michael, oddly working together, was recommended for Archangelhood. It was a startling proposition, but Michael upheld it, stating that Independence was the direct counter to Freedom, a troublesome Word at best, just as Lightning counters Technology and The Wind counters Theft. The Archangel of War was quite eloquent in his presentation, winning over Laurence, Janus, Gabriel, and several others. David held out, as expected, but the majority won and Gwyneth was promoted to Archangel of Independence. The shrieks of bitter hate and rage in Hell made it all worth it to Gwyneth. Dissonance It is dissonant for Servitors of Independence to foster dependence in others, whether in thought or in action. It is not dissonant to promote things like love and normal, healthy relationships, but to promote excessive dependence on another or group of others is dissonant. Relations Gwyneth is closely allied with Novalis, Eli, and Gabriel. She feels an affiliation with Michael for his support at her Archangelic hearing, and bears no hostility to any other Archangel except David, of course. Allied: Novalis, Gabriel, Eli (Eli considers himself associated with Gwyneth) Associated: Michael, Blandine, Janus, Khalid, Jordi (he considers himself allied with Gwyneth) Neutral: Everyone else save... Hostile: David There we go. :) I didn't include stats since I'm not conversant with the stats. :) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 00:15:24 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> In> Demogorgon Hey David you inspired me for this speculation but I don't have time I'm afraid to put it down as a proper format. Demogorgon 1> The Demogorgon as his name suggests is a creature of Hell and the Marches. He is the child of Beleth and an unknown father but personally in my opinion it's definately Lucifer himself, Beleth and his relationship is well known in Hell. 2> The Demogorgon after his creation looked upon the Earth and saw the rampant growth, the chaos of disorder, and the nonstop flood of art and conflicting ideals that was on Earth. The Demogorgon then asked Lucifer for the power to cease this abomination and brings the world and marches to Heal. Lucifer gave him the Word of Destruction which encompassed Belial's word and much of Baal's, Gebbuneth's, and Mariels. The Demogorgon informed them he only intended to destroy. He held indeed the latter three in high regard and was allied with his mother Beleth and Asmodeus for Hell's "mission" that only he seemed to see. He was hostile to words like Sloth, Dark Humor, and Greed...useless things. 3> The Demogorgon was one of the most ruthless and horrofic of superiors as his soldiers were charges with teaching humanity powerful songs and arming them with greater weapons even as they manipulated them to war and sacrafice to bloody gods over kindly ones. His servitors ranged from alien horrors to Ethereals to crafty manipulators...openly destroying where subtly methods did not do. His castle was decorated with the skulls of angels. 4> The Demogorgon was actually sort of an anti-theisis of Eli and Uriel in one, attempting to destroy the Heavengly Host and Creation in order to bring about something newer and stronger...unfortunately lacking the vision or understanding to do such a Darwinian measure. I'd imagine his Impudites were charged with teaching humanity new methods for destroying themselves much like Eli's Mercurians in reverse. 5> The Demogorgon ruled a section of Hell known as the Abyss that was somehow tied to the Marches much like Beleth's tower....and some suggest when he was going to be a Prince Beleth's tower would have rose from it into the Marches. 6> Servitors of the Demogorgon were blessed with the ability to kill with fear alone in mortals and cause even the staunchest Malakim to feel quaking darkness (though Laurence faced the Demogorgon once and alone felt no terror), they also could learn just what the best method to destroy something with a perculiar resonance. They personally claim one of their own advised Meneleus of a big horse... - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1891 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.