From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Oct 31 21:14:31 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24198 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:14:30 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id VAA29191 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:12:16 -0600 Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:12:16 -0600 Message-Id: <200011010312.VAA29191@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1893 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, October 31 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1893 In this digest: Re: IN> Saints in Hell IN> Superiors and opposing words (was the Angel of Emancipation) Re: IN> Alien angels? Re: IN> Alien angels? Re: IN> Superiors and opposing words (was the Angel of Emancipation) Re: IN> Nephilim and Gorgon Stats IN> [ADMIN] Watch it! (Re: Superiors and opposing words (was the Angel of Emancipation)) IN> A love that would always Die.... Re: IN> Nephilim and Gorgon Stats Re: IN> Nephilim and Gorgon Stats Re: IN> Alien angels? Re: IN> I may jsut be the luckiest man in the world... Re: IN> Well, if it's Superiors Weekend... Re: IN> Old Time Religion Re: IN> Fwd: Names of God IN> Michael, the Peacemaker? Re: IN> The inevitable Halloween question. Re: IN> Well, if it's Superiors Weekend... Re: IN> Well, if it's Superiors Weekend... Re: IN> Well, if it's Superiors Weekend... Re: IN> Well, if it's Superiors Weekend... Re: IN> Not precisely a sidekick. More like a wandering monster of Goofyness. Re: IN> A Lilim Archangel Re: IN> Well, if it's Superiors Weekend... Re: IN> Michael, the Peacemaker? Re: IN> What *are* Songs? IN> Sidekicks -- again ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:39:13 -0500 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: Re: IN> Saints in Hell Bevan Thomas wrote: > > I dunno. I got the impression that Shal-Mari was a better sort of > realm for humans. If he's smart and watches his step, then he could > keep his forces and do pretty well (just look what Shal-Mari did to > Errol Flynn). ISTR he was in Nybbas's service, and thus not in Shal-Mari proper? > Sure if he's not careful, then he get's screwed, but all the > principalities are like that. At least SM is better then Tartarus or > Abbadon. Agreed; though for some reason I have an easier time picturing a human succeeding in Hades' bureaucratic politics than as a con-man in Shal-mari. It seems like they could achieve a measure of power more easily in Hades (which I see as Stalin's Russia during the Great Purge) than in Shal-mari (which I picture as horror-movie Las Vegas on a bad acid trip). - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:36:53 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Superiors and opposing words (was the Angel of Emancipation) >Demon Princes don't work that way. Nor does Heaven. >"Hey! Let's take an angel who admittedly won't be worth the time and effort >to kill and give him a Word in direct competition to Lilith, who has been >playing this game for eons!" > >... > >"Hey! Let's get an angel kacked in fifty seconds or less!" Good points if rather blunt, still I disgaree. Ben I think you seriously overestimate and underestimate the forces of Heaven. Before we go on would you please tell me if you think the Princes of Hell will make it worth their time and effort to hunt down and destroy these angels above all their other concerns. "Fire-Prevention" a servant of Gabriel "Peaceful Death", Andrew from David's site "Chess", a servitor of Janus "Mischeif", a servitor of Eli "Cannabas" (a long time ago on this list: the Angel of Majuanna) "Peace", a servitor of Novalis or Michael "Culinary Arts", a servitor of Eli If you think that Heaven can't protect it's servitors and the Demon princes will hunt down and destroy personally anyone who holds this title I think you give Hell way too much credit. I also think you overestimate Word disturbance (Look at Michael/Janus) and the fact that the Angel of Cities and Demon of Cities while hating each other also work to promote the same ends. The fact remains the Cherub of Janus HATES Lilith and HATES the Lilim because he views them as servants of Slavery. However... Lilith is not going to waste her time appearing before a angel to destroy him....ESPECIALLY not when it's going to sour future relations with Janus and his servitors who may just go on a Lilim hunting streak (not stable angels servitors of Wind). Recall the War is at a stalemate not in open conflict. The Game and Judgement are mortal enemies yet they work together because it pleases Asmodeus. Not to mention Lilith likely DOES NOT know where this guy's corporeal vessel is and tracking him down to the Sudan and so forth is a piece of cake but it's a pain and even then why bother...? He's an ant and an annoyance. Your asking a Superior to manifest on the Coproreal realm...a FAVORED one and an Archangel to waste her powerful essence to destroy his corporeal vessel JUST to send him back to Heaven then repeat the process every time he comes down to Earth? You can send assaisins...but hey. Those can be dealt with. AS FOR DEMON REACTIONS.... This is Lilith not Saminga. Saminga if he saw an angel of death who wasn't a Archangel (he is) would make it a list for any of his servitors to HUNT HIM DOWN AND KILL HIM KILL HIM KILL HIM...however counterpoint he says that about everybody and won't give any clues to his location.... Lilith on the other hand and MOST of the subtle superiors like Andre are not going to destroy their anti-word outright. Kobal will make sure the Angel of Laughter dies very ironically i'm sure IF HE FINDS HIM and yes most will waste effort on their OLD word. However Andrephalus for instance if he saw an angel of love I think would be FAR more interested in corrupting her. Make her give up love for his sexual desires. He I see as fairly obsessed with Love and MIGHT stalk and drag someone with his EXACT old word back to Hell to sexually rape, torture, and BSM in order to gain power over her...other words he wouldn't really waste the effort I think though he'd ask his servitors to...and likely at tethers. Thus there can be angels of kissing, affection...yeach, and the like...that's how some superiors are opposed....and yes it's more dangerous than normal jobs BUT it depends on.... IF THEY FOUND THEM. Lilith I think would if she saw an Angel of freedom have a nice long chat with her like Michael and Baal have and say "So you REAAAAALLY think Heaven supports freedom huh?" if it was a Superior. If it was a servitor who was polite..... "Your a fool and a pathetic fool and you'll join us if you don't abandon this word soon." If he's rude... *squoosh* Ignore him til her next servitor summons him around her, repeat. Like I said Heaven and Hell DOES work like that, just as a whole. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:44:56 -0500 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: Re: IN> Alien angels? Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > At 11:21 AM -0500 10/30/00, Krishnaswami, Neel wrote: > [...] > > > IMC, there were millions of intelligent species throughout the > > universe. The twist was that each one had a test equivalent to the > > Garden of Eden at some early point in its history. > > You've read the Diane Duane books, haven't you? (Such as _Book of > Night with Moon_ and the "So you want to be a wizard?" series...) I read the "So you want to be a wizard?" series, though it's not where I stole this idea. I liberated this notion from C.S. Lewis's Space Trilogy, in particular the novel _Perelandra_. I liked the first two books in the series, _Out of the Silent Planet_ and _Perelandra_, but wasn't as impressed with the third book, _That Hideous Strength_. It's all worthwhile as inspiration though. > O:> Yup, Diane Duane is highly recommended. IMO she's better than Harry Potter. :) - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:16:30 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Alien angels? I second Neel's recommendation on Lewis's trilogy. It gives ideas on angels in interplanetary settings, and depicts them as somewhat like "energy beings," in their native forms. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:47:50 -0700 From: "ben" Subject: Re: IN> Superiors and opposing words (was the Angel of Emancipation) > Ben I think you seriously overestimate and underestimate the forces of I'm multifunctional. Your assertion that Lilith could somehow appreciate this Angel of Emancipation is poppycock. Lilith is Freedom, and when you threaten to take some of her Word away, you are essentially taking her Freedom away. That's a double-whammy. Emancipation is almost identical to Freedom; the main different is Emancipation is freeing, while Freedom is the state of being free. Fire-Prevention and Fire? What? Peaceful Death? Huh? Chess and The Game? Mischief and... and what? Cannabas? (Whoever named that Angel (Angel? What?) should be shot.) Peace? So? Culinary Arts? Are you aiming at Gluttony? I have to make half-a-dozen logical leaps to make *any* of those work on the scale Emancipation does for Freedom, and even then I'm left standing in a dazed state of confusion, which, quite frankly, doesn't surprise me in the slightest. > Like I said Heaven and Hell DOES work like that, just as a whole. > > -Charlemagne Ben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:12:15 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Nephilim and Gorgon Stats Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > "Gorgon" is just a label for human-ethereal crossbreeds, not _only_ > the Medusoids. Incorrect. Ethereal crossbreeds are called "ethereal crossbreeds." Ethereal crossbreeds who come out bent are called Gorgons. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:17:46 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> [ADMIN] Watch it! (Re: Superiors and opposing words (was the Angel of Emancipation)) Okay, I see two people here escalating into a flame over THEIR INTERPRETATIONS of a Superior. Stop it RIGHT NOW. Or else there will be two people who are kicked off the list for at least a week. And both of you, repeat after me: IT IS ONLY A GAME. OTHER PEOPLE CAN HAVE OTHER INTERPRETATIONS WITHOUT MAKING ME A BAD PERSON. TRYING TO FORCE OTHER PEOPLE TO AGREE WITH MY INTERPRETATION IS BAD. FLAMING ON THE LIST WILL GET ME KICKED OFF IT. Out loud. No, I know you haven't done it out loud. OUT LOUD. - --Beth, Djinn Princess of List Admin who is NOT inclined to watch this degenerate any further. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:26:21 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> A love that would always Die.... heheh I loved someone's proposal that Saminga deserved to have a love interest in Hell and looking at the man, it's my opinion that Saminga of all the Princes is the one most likely to fall in love. So I'd thought I'd get the courtly love thing going with this piece of fiction. *Kobal's gag factory* Kobal is currently experimenting with Vapulan laughing gas on a captured Malakim when suddenly the air is filled with organ music from the Phantom of the Opera. Kobal: Oh HE'S comming. Saminga then appears in a puff of smoke. Kobal: Right on time. Saminga: Most honored ally of the greatest of all evils that is me. I have decided to come with you for advice. ACK LIFE! *he smashes a bug he sees* Kobal: Actually that was one of my newly envesseled spies.... Saminga: Well it shouldn't have looked at me all....PROUD TO BE LIVING! Saminga hates that! Kobal: Yes George likes his chocolate too....out of curiousity does this purpose have a visit? Kobal had some really funny stuff to do to the Malakim and frankly Saminga's nature had worn kinduv thin after a few thousand years. Saminga: Saminga...is in love. Okay scratch that. Kobal: HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Then Kobal ducked the scythe. Saminga: Saminga doesn't appreciate Kobal's humor in the matter. Kobal: Okay Okay....Snerk....sorry I'm very happy for you...HAHAHAHAH...URK. Kobal frowned as the scythe extruded from him, he'd have to get back at Saminga for that one...BUT SAMINGA...IN LOVE!? My God....eerr MY DEVIL...that one was better than the Revelations sticke! Saminga: Saminga wants to know if Kobal will help his devoted ally court her. Saminga knows death. Saminga knows not love....save what the vampires teach but that doesn't work very well Saminga notes. GOT THAT!? Kobal: funny I've found sneaking into a girl's bedroom is usually quite fun....especially when you look like their boyfriend whose whitebread and hahah...oh this one time.... Saminga: Saminga loves a superior. Kobal: Well they tend to get antsy about that true. *Saminga then whispered the Superior's name into Kobal's ear* Kobal's eyes widened as he pulled the scythe from his chest and put his arm around the Prince of Death. Kobal: Sammy dear boy, we're going to teach you the ways of love. TO BE CONTINUED.... heheh I'd like your guys help with this for some truly Diabolical Halloween adventures for my troop. It's mostly a parody of courtly love but I think that us Blandine/Laurence shippers can really take it to Sammy and his "beloved" be her Beleth (my favorite canidate) or perhaps someone much more odd such as Lilith or Novalis. "I love flowers too...watch." *spreads blight* - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:43:30 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Nephilim and Gorgon Stats At 4:12 PM -0600 10/31/00, David Edelstein wrote: >Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> "Gorgon" is just a label for human-ethereal crossbreeds, not _only_ >> the Medusoids. > >Incorrect. Ethereal crossbreeds are called "ethereal crossbreeds." >Ethereal crossbreeds who come out bent are called Gorgons. I think what was meant was Gorgons are all the bent ones, not just the ones who look like Medusa. (The question was if all Ethereals came out looking like snake-heads, more or less, IIRC.) - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:06:47 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Nephilim and Gorgon Stats At 4:12 PM -0600 10/31/00, David Edelstein wrote: >Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> "Gorgon" is just a label for human-ethereal crossbreeds, not _only_ >> the Medusoids. > >Incorrect. Ethereal crossbreeds are called "ethereal crossbreeds." >Ethereal crossbreeds who come out bent are called Gorgons. Close! I was close! Indeed, semantically I am totally correct! It is _A_ label for (bent) crossbreeds, and not only for those who look like Medusa and her immortal sisters! (Right?) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:54:26 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Alien angels? - --- "Krishnaswami, Neel" wrote: > There's this marvelous moment in C.S. Lewis's _Out of the > Silent Planet_ when the protagonist meets an alien. He sees that > whenever he tries to match it to a human form it looks hideous and > strange but when he tries to see it as itself it becomes beautiful. Yes! Someone else who's read that! VINDICATION! 0:::> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Laugh and the world laughs with you. Snore and you sleep alone." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:56:17 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> I may jsut be the luckiest man in the world... - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > *"FIVE... GRI-GOR-IIII ... > four flaming swords, > three new Songs, > two Body Bags... > > And a 2nd ed I-N R-P-G..." The 12 Days of In Nomine -- hmmm... (Now you've done it, Moe) ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Laugh and the world laughs with you. Snore and you sleep alone." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:19:57 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> Well, if it's Superiors Weekend... (Just one question -- what Choir? Did I miss it?)<<< I believe he said that Vocatiel is a Mercurian, formerly of Knowledge and later of Flowers. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:03:11 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Old Time Religion Asmodeus is quite anal, And his Servitors are banal, Give them pay under the table And they might let you go free. When the demon's almost got ya' And you need someone to watch ya', You have got a savior, hotcha! Zadkiel's like you mommy. Nybbas gives us aggravation, Got his face on every station, He's a media sensation And that's good enough for me. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Laugh and the world laughs with you. Snore and you sleep alone." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:13:46 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: Names of God - --- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >I'm writing a comic book about demon-slaying in the 14th century. > Does any > >of you know the secret names of God or where I could find out about > them? > >One of my characters is a theurgist and I want him to use those when > casting magic. Thanks. I don't know about the secret names, but there are a number of names that are used in the Old Testament. These wouldn't be common knowledge unless one is a practicing Jew (and maybe not even then -- I don't know what they teach in Hebrew school). Some examples: Jehovah-rophe/Jehovah-rapha -- "the God that heals" El-shaddai -- lit. "the breasted one;" applied to God as provider Elohim (yes, just like the Choir of angels) -- "the Lord." Technically, the Choir should be referred to as Bene Elohim, "children of the Lord." Jehovah-nisi (not sure about the spelling on this one) -- "the Lord my banner" Adonai -- see Elohim For more esoteric stuff, you might try the Kaballah. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Laugh and the world laughs with you. Snore and you sleep alone." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 01:29:17 GMT From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: IN> Michael, the Peacemaker? From Michael's writeup in the basic rules (hardcover), p. 131 ====== Mercurians Michael's Mercurians are his only diplomats. They know the price of peace - -- what, if anything, will resolve a conflict between any two people they have met. ====== The thought never struck me before, but today I was walking along and suddenly it just hit me -- Michael didn't just invent this attunement, he *has* it. *Personally.* (A Superior has all of his Choir and Servitor attunements, as per GMG.) If I extend the logic behind this a step further [1], I arrive at this conclusion: The conception of Michael as the axe-brained barbarian who is never able to see when the peaceful solution will work better than the violent one is simply not possible. With that particular Mercurian of War attunement cranking at Superior levels, Michael *knows* when peace is possible. [2] Even if he doesn't particularly *want* to know, even if he isn't interested in looking for it at all, he doesn't get a choice and he doesn't have to look -- the knowledge is shunted directly into his forebrain right at the start. And the flipside of this is that Michael also knows when peace *isn't* possible. After all, the wording was "... what, *if anything*..." (emphasis mine). This implies that sometimes, there *just ain't anything*. Which bears out in real life -- sometimes, the other guy just doesn't want to be friends, no matter how badly you do. Other Superiors can retain eternally optimistic that if you give peace just one more (or two more, or ten more, etc.) chance, it'll always work out. Michael doesn't have that luxury -- he knows with the certainty of The Truth when the price of peace is payable, and also knows when the price of peace is more than Heaven can afford. And thus he spends "all his time" bashing heads. When heads don't need bashing, then the situation don't need Michael -- when you're the biggest hammer in the Symphony that still doesn't mean that all problems are nails, but it *does* mean that it's a more efficient usage of everyone's time for you to stick to only those problems that are nails and leave all the non-nail problems for those better suited by inclination, training, and experience to handle them. And when heads *do* need bashing... clear the way 'cause here comes the Hammer of God, and he's all geared up to Smite, Smite, and Smite some more. Stepping out from the fringes right into the middle of wild speculation-land, this might explain why Michael stepped down as Commander of the Host the instant that the first political squabbles started, and has never wanted it back. He knew right off that the scandal and suchlike (as well as his general relations with other Superiors) were causing doubt and division among the Host, and that the price of stopping such would require him to stop being the Commander of the Host and never ever take up the office again. So, being who he is, he paid the price without a moment's hesitation. The fact that God later confirmed Michael's decision in this regard only reaffirmed Michael's belief that he was doing The Right Thing. And getting even further out into wild speculation-land, this might also cast some insight as to Michael's hostilities with certain Superiors. His disliking for Yves and Dominic already have clear and well-established motives (even if we don't all agree on what those motives *are*, we at least agree that whatever they are they're at least recognizable), but I never could figure out why Michael was listed as Hostile to Blandine when you consider that a) Michael *does* know about the power of dreams and hope to inspire the human spirit, and uses it himself (read those parts of his Superiors 1 writeup about the fostering of heroic myths, etc.), and b) Blandine is standing almost single-handedly between the Hordes of Hell and the near-total destruction of hope and the human spirit, which would lose the War. That just didn't make sense to me... [3] until I thought about this. What if Michael *knows* what it would take to make peace between him and Blandine, or some of the various Superiors that are Hostile to him? And what if that something would be something like his near-total abandoning of or drastically changing his methods, something that he feels (with at least some justification!) would lose the War vs. Hell? Or something similar? What if the price of peace between him and some other Superiors is just too much to pay? What if Michael, deep down on the inside, truly regrets each and every single disagreement he has ever had with every fellow angel -- but also knows with nigh-absolute certainty that the things he'd have had to do to resolve those disagreements would be such that Heaven would lose more than it would gain? (This also might tie in with why Yves has absolutely no grudge vs. Michael - -- we can understand why Dominic doesn't, because Judgement's Word *requires* that he not let personal grudges affect his decisions. But Destiny? Destiny only obeys the dictates of Destiny, not impartiality... which means that in this context, could it be that Heaven's Destiny is served best by realizing that Michael's grudge against Destiny is somehow *necessary*?) I dunno about you, but I think that the potential for drama is a *lot* higher this way... - -- Chuckg PS -- oh, yes, one more thought. And what if Michael looked into Lucifer's eyes that day upon the Mount of Revelation... and Saw that the only thing that could 'buy peace' with Lucifer was the total destruction of God and all his works? IOW, that Lucifer simply would not accept *anything* less than the unconditional surrender of Heaven, and the unmaking of the Symphony? Under *those* conditions -- there is a time for peace, and then there is a time for War. [1] Obligatory disclaimer -- just because I got here via the logic process, this does not automatically mean that everybody else did. If you can spot a hole in my thinking, feel free to let me know. Thank you. [2] Yes, I know. Superior-on-Superior ineffability. But if I read the indicators aright in the "Seraph Archangels And the TRUTH" sidebar in Dominic's Superiors 1 writeup, even Superior-on-Superior ineffability doesn't stop the *lower* check digits... just the higher ones. And the result of "This guy absolutely won't settle for anything less than your crushed Heart between his palms and the shredded remains of your last Force between his teeth." is probably a CD of 1 as far as the Mercurian Of War attunement goes... ... oh, that's right, that attunement doesn't *have* check digits. It doesn't even need a roll. They *automatically* know. [3] After all, the Superior who bloody *invented* the concept of 'That which is not against me may someday be persuaded to be for me.' wouldn't, IMO, be likely to have continual *unthinking* hostility vs. *anyone*... only that hostility which is genuinely based upon the current needs of the moment. Of course, in some cases 'the moment' can be defined as 'every single instant of time between the Fall and Armageddon', but Lucifer *picked* his side... _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:34:00 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The inevitable Halloween question. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Maurice Lane > > Anybody dressing up as their favorite Choir / Band / > > Superior / whatnot? No way am I dressing like Zadkiel. I can't bake cookies and I look awful in a dress. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Laugh and the world laughs with you. Snore and you sleep alone." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:37:47 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Well, if it's Superiors Weekend... - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > >Vocatiel > >Archangel of Communication > > I liked, but one quibble: > > > >Servitor Attunements > >Edited for Content > > Whether this Attunement constitutes protection >or > censorship depends on whom you ask. For 3 Essence > >the angel can edit a message so as to remove any > >content that would encourage selfish behavior or lead > >a mortal to his Fate. > > > Vocatiel will find herself a de facto member of the > War Faction within five minutes after this Attunement > is used on the corporeal plane for the first time, > because Nybbas will immediately declare war to the > knife. _I_ would, in his shoes, and I'm a big softy. To which Vocie would reply, "Bring it on!" Remember how she became an Archangel. Of course, Nybbas would have to find out about the Attunement first... ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Laugh and the world laughs with you. Snore and you sleep alone." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:40:55 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Well, if it's Superiors Weekend... - --- Aaron Medwin wrote: > From: "Maurice Lane" > > > > > > >Servitor Attunements > > >Edited for Content > > > Whether this Attunement constitutes protection >or > > censorship depends on whom you ask. For 3 Essence > > >the angel can edit a message so as to remove any > > >content that would encourage selfish behavior or lead > > >a mortal to his Fate. > > > Not to mention... would there be anything left? Even fact will get > filtered > out("What the f*** is wrong with the world nowadays? It seems > everyone's > just out for themselves... well, so be it!"). > > There's always *something* that *somebody* will take the wrong way. True. But the Attunement only edits out stuff that leads the hearer to his or her Fate. That's no protection against simple misinterpretation. Come to think of it, that's no protection against being offended, either -- which means that it might not even edit out the 4-letter word (depending on who's listening). ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Laugh and the world laughs with you. Snore and you sleep alone." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:44:42 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Well, if it's Superiors Weekend... - --- Douglas Muir wrote: > > Nice. I particularly like those attunements. Thanks. That's nice to hear -- especially since Moe doesn't love me any more. (sniff!) };> > Actually, I think this might be a great Word for a Redeemed Nybbas. Hmmm... that works, too... ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Laugh and the world laughs with you. Snore and you sleep alone." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:46:24 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Well, if it's Superiors Weekend... - --- Charles E Smith wrote: > Vocatiel > Archangel of Communication > > "The world is talking. Listen."<<< > > *claps* Bravo! Excellent work! :D You make me blush. And that's no small achievement for a Black man. 0:> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Laugh and the world laughs with you. Snore and you sleep alone." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:52:34 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Not precisely a sidekick. More like a wandering monster of Goofyness. - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > "Mischief" > Merry Prankster Master of Motion > Angel of Mischief I love this girl! Must run I game that I can put her in -- soon. But yet again, Moe comes out with one of my ideas before I do (at least now I know who's been dipping into my brain). I'd like to see NPC's from the Minor Choirs/Bands posted. But to further complicate matters, how's about nobody use their own work? That should really spark some creativity. I've got some great ideas involving Halaim... ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Laugh and the world laughs with you. Snore and you sleep alone." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:00:21 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> A Lilim Archangel - --- Charles E Smith wrote: > Gywneth > Bright Lilim Archangel of Independence > > "True freedom lies in independence, the essential reliance on > one's own faculties to improve life for the better as one sees fit." An interesting beginning. I look forward to seeing the Attunements. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Laugh and the world laughs with you. Snore and you sleep alone." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:07:19 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Well, if it's Superiors Weekend... - --- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >Vocatiel > >Archangel of Communication > > > > "The world is talking. Listen."<<< > > > (Just one question -- what Choir? Did I miss it?) Mercurian. It's in there, but it's subtle. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Laugh and the world laughs with you. Snore and you sleep alone." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:13:58 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Michael, the Peacemaker? - --- Charles Glasgow wrote: > Michael's Mercurians are his only diplomats. They know the price of > peace > -- what, if anything, will resolve a conflict between any two people > they > have met. > ====== > > > The thought never struck me before, but today I was walking along and > > suddenly it just hit me -- Michael didn't just invent this > attunement, he > *has* it. *Personally.* (A Superior has all of his Choir and > Servitor > attunements, as per GMG.) > > If I extend the logic behind this a step further [1], I arrive at > this conclusion: > > The conception of Michael as the axe-brained barbarian who is never > able to > see when the peaceful solution will work better than the violent one > is simply not possible. Good point. Thanks, Charles, for adding dimension to a character who is in serious danger of being typecast as a musclebound thug. It does make sense, though. Michael is the AA of War -- not Violence. One of the aspects of war is that it is the price of peace. This aspect of his Word is something that Michael would be acutely aware of. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Laugh and the world laughs with you. Snore and you sleep alone." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 02:20 +0000 From: Kay Dekker Subject: Re: IN> What *are* Songs? Beth wrote: > At 4:27 AM +0000 10/30/00, Kay Dekker wrote: > >If anyone just says "It's all in _Liber > >Canticorum_, dummy!" I shall _cry_, 'cos > >I don't have it, can't afford it (yes, I > >am _that_ broke!), [...] but tell me that > >anyway, so at least I can tell my players > >"You want the answers, you buy the group the > >book!". > It's in that book. O:> OK. 1) *cry* 2) I shall quote you to that effect. Can we have "You want the answers, you buy the group the book" as Canon? ;) > Each _performance_ by any given individual is unique, but there > are common elements which can be recognized with a Perception > roll by someone familiar with that Song. (Unless it's being done > entirely mentally, of course.) Ta! > I think you're analyzing it a little much -- *grin* In real life I'm a technical author and editor - I get paid to scrutinise, nitpick, and generally "What _exactly_ does this mean?" at people. I'll try not to let it spill in here overmuch. > all that stuff doesn't really mesh with their > role in the game. If you have a player who asks, > say it's ineffable and go from there. *chuckle* They'll ask all right, and I shall tell them that it's Ineffable. I wonder, though, if we're going to have an Archangel of Communication, presumably someone's going to be given the Word of Ineffability. Pity her or his underlings... AofI: You must go to Earth. I have a mission for you. U: Sure, boss. What is it? AofI: Errrr... I can't tell you that. It's Ineffable. U: *looks puzzled* AofI: Don't worry. You'll know it when you see it. > (Though learning Songs in other ways than from Superiors > is covered in the Liber Canticorum.) I'll definitely be getting it as soon as I can. Um - anyone need a technical author and editor? Will work for, oooh, freebie copies of supplements... > Would type more but have baby sleeping on my left hand. Aw, sweet. My latest nephew arrived last Friday. Thanks Beth, and all the rest of you, for your help. Much appreciated! Kay - -- Delirium includes a plush fish. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:10:45 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: IN> Sidekicks -- again I had to get this out of my head - it was taking up too much disk space. Catamitus Balseraph of Lust Demon of Masochism Forces: 11 Corporeal/4 (Strength/10, Agility/6) Ethereal/3 (Intelligence/5, Precision/7) Celestial/4 (Perception/5, Will/11) Vessel/4 (preteen male), Vessel/4 (teenage female); Vessels this tough are essential if one _wants_ to prolong the agony... Skills: Emote/4, Fast Talk/2, Knowledge (Sexual Techniques/4, S & M Practices/6), Lying/3, Seduction/5 Attunements: Balseraph of Lust, Dark Desire, Sensitivity, Demon of Masochism (the demon adds his Celestial Forces to the TN of any Seduction roll that involves bondage, discipline or sadomasochism. This bonus also applies to attempts by the demon to provoke someone into attacking him.) Songs: Ecstasy (Corporeal/2), Healing (Corporeal/3, Celestial/2), Numinous Corpus ("Those Can't be Real"/4) Discord: Jealous/1, Lustful/6 Rites: * Submit to (or provoke) sexual aggression * Initiate someone into masochism Catamitus started life as a frotling named Bootlicker. His service to Lust was limited to walking the streets of Shal-Mari, but it's hard to rake in the Essence when you've got a face only a Shedite could love. Bootlicker found his niche as a whipping boy; he allowed more powerful demons to relieve their own misery by abusing him. After the first few centuries, the lowly demonling convinced himself that he actually enjoyed such treatment. With such skill at lying -- if only to himself -- it was inevitable that Catamitus fledged as a Balseraph. Becoming a full-fledged demon did nothing to curb Catamitus' hunger for abuse. He quickly became one of the most popular escorts in Shal-Mari and eventually attracted the attention of Andrealphus himself. A single night with the Beautiful Prince catapulted the former whipping boy into the halls of power as one of Andre's favorites. After more than a millenium of being tied up, chained down, flogged, flayed, branded and Lucifer alone knows what else, Andrealphus sponsored Catamitus for the Word of Masochism. Lucifer had to try the Balseraph out for himself before heartily agreeing. Nowadays Catamitus doesn't see as much of his Lord as he would like. Andre has other favorites, after all. Indeed, this fact has Catamitus worried. Unknown to anyone else, Catamitus believes that he is in love with Andrealphus! This gross violation of his Prince's Dissonance condition has gone unnoticed so far because Catamitus is quick to convert his Dissonance into Discord (fortunately, a Discord that Andre overlooks and even encourages in his Servitors). The downside is that additional Dissonance causes Catamitus to grow more jealous of Andre's attention. It's only a matter of time before he snaps and goes postal on one of his rivals. Andre would have to kill him then, of course, but that's alright... it's not as if Catamitus is the first Demon of Masochism. When he's not attending Andrealphus or waiting by the "phone," Catamitus spends his time on Earth promoting his Word. He gets a bit of help here (there's a lot of cross-pollination between Catamitus and the Demon of Sadism), but lately he's taken up cruising for Malakim. This is a real dilemma for the poor Blackwings -- their First Oath doesn't permit them to just walk away, but there's something about beating up a demon who _thanks_ them for it that's Just Not Right. In between bouts of Trauma, Catamitus waits for Andrealphus' call -- and imagines some very instructive deaths for everyone else the Beautiful Prince has ever slept with. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Laugh and the world laughs with you. Snore and you sleep alone." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! 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