From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Nov 3 16:51:39 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23516 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:51:39 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id QAA27658 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:48:23 -0600 Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:48:23 -0600 Message-Id: <200011032248.QAA27658@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1903 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, November 3 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1903 In this digest: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) 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Re: IN> Superiors and gods Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:16:57 -0800 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) From: ben <> You never play Servitors of Jordi, I take it? - -- Kish ICQ#: 28085879 AIM: Kish K M Kish_K@mindspring.replacewithcom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:17:58 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) > From: ben > < > ...I don't think I could find any enthusiasm in my being to play an > angel or a werewolf or anything like that, fighting for the rights of > kittens everywhere. > > "Ok, demon. Put the kitten down and nobody loses a vessel." Foolish. What you do is you have your Strength/12 Numinous Corpus-Claws/6 Kyriotate move up and possess the *kitten*... and then have the cute itty-bitty kitty tear the itty-bitty demon's itty-bitty little head clean off its neck. Kinda like Sluggy Freelance Demonic Kittens, only in reverse. (And yes, I know that right now somebody is writing up a Strength/12 Claws/6 Shedite...) Incidentally, "Jump into the hostage, crank a Corporeal Shields/5 around the hostage only, and then start kicking ass for the Lord" has *got* to be well up on the list of Stupid Kyriotate Tricks... - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:23:54 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) At 11:47 AM -0700 11/3/00, ben wrote: >I forget who suggested it, but... > >...I don't think I could find any enthusiasm in my being to play an angel or >a werewolf or anything like that, fighting for the rights of kittens >everywhere. > >"Ok, demon. Put the kitten down and nobody loses a vessel." If a demon hurt my kitten, I'd be signing up and gloriously dying in the Lord's service so fast my body might leave scorch marks. I wonder how many times Michael's angels have set up such things, to get passionately devoted Soldiers at little cost, all things considered. (Not that they'd tell Jordi. Or Michael, for that matter - -- Seraph, don't ya know.) - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:26:48 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) At 1:17 PM -0600 11/3/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: > >Foolish. > >What you do is you have your Strength/12 Numinous Corpus-Claws/6 Kyriotate >move up and possess the *kitten*... and then have the cute itty-bitty kitty >tear the itty-bitty demon's itty-bitty little head clean off its neck. >Kinda like Sluggy Freelance Demonic Kittens, only in reverse. Oh, Kyriotates *love* kittens... that's up there with the Strength/12 NC-Claws/6 Kyriotate possessing the chickadee and doing dive bombing rake attacks. A nine force Kyriotate can get nine bluejays, and if they have 9 Essence to spend on the songs.... Hitchcock knew what he was doing when he made "The Birds." - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:36:54 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Whistling in the Dark" To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 1:23 PM Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) > At 11:47 AM -0700 11/3/00, ben wrote: > >I forget who suggested it, but... > > > >...I don't think I could find any enthusiasm in my being to play an angel or > >a werewolf or anything like that, fighting for the rights of kittens > >everywhere. > > > >"Ok, demon. Put the kitten down and nobody loses a vessel." > > If a demon hurt my kitten, I'd be signing up and gloriously dying in > the Lord's service so fast my body might leave scorch marks. A-frickin-men. In this state, you can only use lethal force vs. burglars if they're threatening you, not just to protect property. But we've already decided that if they even *think* about touching the cat... > I wonder how many times Michael's angels have set up such things, to > get passionately devoted Soldiers at little cost, all things > considered. (Not that they'd tell Jordi. Or Michael, for that matter > -- Seraph, don't ya know.) Eewwwwww... ick... that is *so* Elohite. (Objective, ya know.) - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 12:53:55 -0700 From: "ben" Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) > But we've already decided that if they even *think* about touching the > cat... But that isn't the point. I have no doubt that I'd whup ass on anyone hurting any pets of mine... ...but I also can't see making it into an exciting game. DM [as an Archangel]: "Go now to the kitten farm and destroy the abomination therin." Player 1: "Uh, Lucifer? War with Hell? Demons and bad people and fighting for the souls of mankind?" Player 2: "Dude, I think he really wants us to go kick ass in the name of some kittens." Player 3: "Where's the Mountain Dew?" On the other hand, one of my players is a pretty big pet lover and would probably translate that into the game, but... like I said, I have a hard time getting my players excited about saving halflings, and you don't even have to litter-box train a halfling, most of the time. But we have pretty serious games, so yeah. Maybe I should inflict Bunnies and Burrows on 'em. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:06:53 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ben" To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 1:53 PM Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) > > But we've already decided that if they even *think* about touching the > > cat... > > But that isn't the point. I have no doubt that I'd whup ass on anyone > hurting any pets of mine... > > ...but I also can't see making it into an exciting game. > > DM [as an Archangel]: "Go now to the kitten farm and destroy the > abomination therin." > > Player 1: "Uh, Lucifer? War with Hell? Demons and bad people and fighting > for the souls of mankind?" a) "Your Archangel owes a large favor to Jordi, and lending you guys out is his payback." b) "Have you considered how soul-destroying that job must be? That's not just a kitten farm, it's a recruiting center for Hellsworn. Anybody who can stand to work there obviously has a defective empathy gland..." c) "Vapula is building a device that can sap Essence out of misery. This is the animal testing phase." d) "In the course of your adventure throughout something else entirely which is really epic, there will be a brief scene vignette with a kitten farm. The Shedite has a day job there for light amusement or something." Etc, etc. You can make an adventure out of *anything* if you try hard enough. It is my crowning ambition to some day make a group of hack-and-slash PCs all excited and tense about a tax audit. With no gunplay. Haven't managed that one yet, but I'm working on it... - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:14:40 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) At 12:53 PM -0700 11/3/00, ben wrote: > > But we've already decided that if they even *think* about touching the >> cat... > >But that isn't the point. I have no doubt that I'd whup ass on anyone >hurting any pets of mine... > >...but I also can't see making it into an exciting game. > >DM [as an Archangel]: "Go now to the kitten farm and destroy the >abomination therin." > >Player 1: "Uh, Lucifer? War with Hell? Demons and bad people and fighting >for the souls of mankind?" I wouldn't have much of an issue. On the one hand, because my players aren't always told why something is important -- just that it *is,* and their Archangel expects it to be done *now.* But second off, if the humans who have the kitten farm are being driven to their Fates and are collectively driving humanity to their Fate by desensitizing the general public to horrific treatment of animals, it becomes *exactly* what the War is about. Now, you might not be much into Jordi, and might have a problem with motivating a Servitor of Jordi to do a strike like this for the kittens' sake. I can understand that. I have Superiors I never encourage people to take, because I can't get into their mindset. *But,* the roleplaying potential of having the Malakite of Animals in the big ass Wolf vessel going to tear apart the entire operation, including putting the maimed breeder pets out of their misery and decimating any and all demons or demonic soldiers in their way (and not really pausing to make a distinction about who's a soldier and who's a dupe) while the rest of the party is trying to eliminate the demonic infestation without making too much noise... well, I could make for an exciting, aggrivating game based on that, I think. And knowing your stuff, Ben... I bet you could too. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:16:26 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) At 2:06 PM -0600 11/3/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: >You can make an adventure out of *anything* if you try hard enough. It is >my crowning ambition to some day make a group of hack-and-slash PCs all >excited and tense about a tax audit. With no gunplay. Six words. "No disturbance allowed. Involves The Game." Season to taste. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:20:20 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Whistling in the Dark" To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 2:16 PM Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) > At 2:06 PM -0600 11/3/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: > >You can make an adventure out of *anything* if you try hard enough. It is > >my crowning ambition to some day make a group of hack-and-slash PCs all > >excited and tense about a tax audit. With no gunplay. > > Six words. "No disturbance allowed. Involves The Game." > > Season to taste. Whoops. Sorry. I was unclear. In In Nomine, this is easy to do, yup. (It's already established in my campaign that the IRS is owned in fee simple by The Game.) In *D&D*, OTOH... now *that's* a challenge. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:23:11 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) At 1:36 PM -0600 11/3/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: > > > I wonder how many times Michael's angels have set up such things, to > > get passionately devoted Soldiers at little cost, all things > > considered. (Not that they'd tell Jordi. Or Michael, for that matter > > -- Seraph, don't ya know.) > >Eewwwwww... ick... that is *so* Elohite. > >(Objective, ya know.) Totally. "All animal souls go to Heaven. Therefore, the kitten has gone to Heaven. The kitten's owner is now traumatized and has been manipulated to believe Hell is directly responsible. Said owner is well positioned to bring many economic and social forces to bear against the opposition, and is passionately devoted to the cause, ripe for recruitment as a Soldier of Heaven. Objectively, Heaven is served well." Jordi would freak, but the space alien could easily justify it to himself, and likely to his superior officer. In fact, he could likely justify it to Michael, if he can show objectively that Good was done here. Michael, being an ends justify the means sort of Archangel, will find the deception distasteful, but this *is* a War, after all.... (Pardon me while I scrub my brain out with brillo. ) - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:36:26 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk... From: "Maurice Lane" > From: "Prodigal" > > >Angel of Creative Mayhem: The posessor of this > >attunement can add his Ethereal Forces to either the > >accuracy or power of any attack made with an > >improvised weapon. > > Oh, Lord. That makes him even _nastier_. Does he > give that out, at all? :) He doesn't have any servitors, at least not yet. But if you want *really* nasty, you could always go with Corporeal Forces, like I did before I decided to play up the "Creative" angle, rather than the "Mayhem" one. ;) Either way, if this guy throws a pie at you, you're in trouble. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:38:29 GMT From: daiv@cruzio.com Subject: Re: IN> Return of the son of Stupid Kyriotoate tricks (was: Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) > > From: ben > > > < > "Ok, demon. Put the kitten down and nobody loses a vessel." > > Foolish. > > What you do is you have your Strength/12 Numinous Corpus-Claws/6 Kyriotate > move up and possess the *kitten*... and then have the cute itty-bitty kitty > tear the itty-bitty demon's itty-bitty little head clean off its neck. > Kinda like Sluggy Freelance Demonic Kittens, only in reverse. Heh. If you have a Kyriotate of Jordi, then skip the Kitten, and Jump into the nearest beehive. Str 12, NC Claws on the whole swarm. And remember, 1 swarm only takes 1 force.. Demon "Nobody moves or the Kitten gets...Hey, wheres that buzzing coming from?" - -Daiv ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:47:23 GMT From: daiv@cruzio.com Subject: Re: IN> Return of the son of Stupid Kyriotoate tricks (was: Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) > > What you do is you have your Strength/12 Numinous Corpus-Claws/6 Kyriotate > > move up and possess the *kitten*... and then have the cute itty-bitty kitty > > tear the itty-bitty demon's itty-bitty little head clean off its neck. > > Kinda like Sluggy Freelance Demonic Kittens, only in reverse. > Heh. If you have a Kyriotate of Jordi, then skip the Kitten, and Jump into the > nearest beehive. Str 12, NC Claws on the whole swarm. > And remember, 1 swarm only takes 1 force.. > Demon "Nobody moves or the Kitten gets...Hey, wheres that buzzing coming > from?" > -Daiv Or, if you have a Kyriotate of Jean...Give him Corp song of Movement (thats the one that allows flight?) and a buzzsaw blade. - -Daiv ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 12:48:17 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Archangels of Gods I don't think there were Ethereal Janus and Oannes. According to the Game Master's Guide, some religions create ethereals and some don't, and angels are not totally sure how its figure out (for instance, there are no Ethereal Buddhas or Ethereal Virgin Maries). The Game Master's Guide also says that the Canaaites (I probably spelled that wrong) worshiped the demon prince Baal when they worshiped their god Baal (it says that it was a mistake of humans to assume Baal was a god). It goes further to say that specifically Baal and Belial were worshipped as god. If the worship of the demon princes did not produce Ethereal, then I would say that the worship of the archangels would not produce demon princes either. Besides, Michael was not accused of creating an Ethereal god, but of creating warrior cults (not cults worshipping Michael, but cults glorifying war, making his Word something of worship). It was the creation of religions that Dominic felt opposed the will of God, not of creating Ethereal foes. Therefore, I think that he would punish Janus and Oannes as much as Michael. - ----- Original Message ----- From: ben To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 11:01 AM Subject: Re: IN> Archangels of Gods > > Dominic is a wise Seraph; he was fully aware that Uriel would soon have the > strength to smite the Ethereal Gods Janus and Oannes, entities that emerged > through accidents of manifestation and who bore no other relation to the > Archangels Janus and Oannes. He was not so sure that Urial could defeat an > Ethereal Michael, so he had to put his foot down on that particular heresy. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 15:57:05 EST From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: IN> (no subject) I have a t-shirt that reads, in blocky Latin script, "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe." What is that in Latin? That is cool! Reverend Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:11:30 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) I forget who suggested it, but... ...I don't think I could find any enthusiasm in my being to play an angel or a werewolf or anything like that, fighting for the rights of kittens everywhere. "Ok, demon. Put the kitten down and nobody loses a vessel."<<< Oh, I don't know. In today's era of animal rights activism (sometimes quite violent and extreme) I think a Servitor of Animals could do quite well for themself (or selves). :) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:05:50 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> Archangels of Gods Janus was a Roman god of Doorways. Oannes was a Babylonian god. Does this mean that Janus and Oannes (the archangels) were worshipped as gods? If so, I'm surprised Dominic didn't put them on charges of heresy.<<< After failing with War? I don't think Dominic would be insensitive (or stupid) enough to try it with The Wind and The Waters. If he did, he would destroy the elemental balance maintained by Janus, Oannes, Gabriel, and David. Granted, Janus would be more vulnerable to that now, but nowadays he's no longer worshipped as a god, so the point is moot. :) ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:00:19 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894 b) Morale factor -- as in, 'Let's make Heaven whizz their pants.' Lucifer -- "Hey guys, I just fired my old general, who could never do better than stalemate vs. your guy. Who'd I replace him with? Your guy. Oh, BTW, I made sure to juice him up to where he's *juuuuuuuust* about as big as he used to be... the new pecking order is now Lucifer (that's me), Michael, and *then* Everybody Else. Where'd I get the Forces? Well, heck, when you've got Mikey, who needs Baal?"<<< Kronos might have something to say about that you know. :P I'd imagine that the Prince of Fate would be sorely displeased to be bumped down from Heir Apparent to just one of the Princes. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:02:03 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> A Lilim Archangel Would the Archangel of *Individuality* ever even think of giving out *standardized* attunements? *g* She'd hand out whatever the angel and her could both agree would best express his individuality, I would think. Of course, in actual *play* this ideal would require either: a) strict GM control, and a skilled GM as well as mature players b) making serving this Archangel an NPC-only thing c) giving her the title of the *new* Archangel of Munchkins [1] <<< LOL! You know, that was a typo on my part. I'd meant to say Archangel of Independence, but my brain was clouded with lack of sleep. Although you know, an Angel of Individuality might not be such a bad idea.... ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:15:46 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Superiors and gods Janus The Olympic god of doorways and well...being two faced has no real association with the Ethereal Gods of Olympus and Rome you have to note....he is really just Janus and his servitors not exactly playing well with the BIG secret. Poetry mixed with some loose mouthed servitors and demons battling these guys as they are CONSTANTLY asking for permisson to stay with you led to the "god" janus. Janus accepted the essence and Dominic tried calling him on it and Janus said "I'll get back to you on it". I imagine he was alittle embarassed. Oannes Oannes I never really imagined was a particularly subtle Archangel. "VEPHAR! I CHALLENGE YOU!" A huge ten thousand foot tall man composed of water emerges around a big cave as he snarls down it. Nevermind the cave is underneath a city. I imagine his frequent appearences were dramatic, nasty, and powerful including that whole Jonah and the Whale business. Thus when Bablyonians see Oannes walking out of the water and CRUSHING the skull of some ethereal or hellsworn when he's summoned, I guess a number of Babylonians took a hint. I imagine his response to Dominic's inquieries was along the lines of "BAH! Mortals are stupid! They will learn to fear God through me and if I encounter any worshipers of me I will crush their skulls." Michael In my opinion Michael was working through religeon long before Yves and Raph started this whole Christianity promotion thing. Thus he worked through the Roman Legions and other warrior groups to gain soldiers from the Cults of Horus and Mithras and Vishnu to gain soldiers. I doubt the Ethereals minded as the cults in question were before the Heavenly Host laideth the smack down. I imagine on a number of times Michael was MISTAKEN for Mithras (Mithras was confused with an Archangel in Zorastrian myth) as the Baal wrestling golden calf slaying is a dead give away too. Michael the Seraph of course didn't correct them. Thus Heresay charges. Kronos His servitors frequently dueled with the Ethereal gods as they developed a very powerful fear of him and the name became anathema to the Greeks. That people actually worshipped him long ago is probably very terrifying... Unless Kronos just took the name of a deceased Ethereal and said "I am the Evil before the gods." - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 16:21:26 EST From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk... In a message dated Fri, 3 Nov 2000 3:37:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, "Prodigal" writes: << Either way, if this guy throws a pie at you, you're in trouble. >> Reminds me of the "Throw Pie" skill from the HOL supplement, "Buttery Wholesomeness" THE ANGORA SACNTION!!!!! Reverend Brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:24:38 -0600 From: Santiago Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) >Oh, Kyriotates *love* kittens... that's up there with the >Strength/12 NC-Claws/6 Kyriotate possessing the chickadee and doing >dive bombing rake attacks. A nine force Kyriotate can get nine >bluejays, and if they have 9 Essence to spend on the songs.... > >Hitchcock knew what he was doing when he made "The Birds." Hey, the last Kyrio of Jordi I knew liked to possess 27 feral Kauai chickens at once. (Or, 2700 really obnoxious bugs, on occasion. Incredible how one Kyrio can keep watch on all of the island at once...) - -- Santiago ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:44:18 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Fair warning... At 5:24 PM -0800 11/2/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:00:19 -0500 >From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: >>>has no one sat Mr. Hite down and shown him the whole >>>new range of High Weirdness available through an >>>In Nomine lens? >>Recall who did the notes for the calendar... > >(ahem) Some of us mere mortals haven't actually >_seen_ the calendar yet. Me either -- but the web page tells all! - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:45:06 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Relic question. At 5:54 PM -0800 11/2/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >Hey, are there any flying birds out there with >feathers longer than, I don't know, two feet? Peacocks? (I didn't say they were _good_ flyers...) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 21:32:31 GMT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894 >>Where'd I get the Forces? Well, heck, when >you've got Mikey, who needs Baal?"<<< > >Kronos might have something to say about that you know. :P I'd imagine >that the Prince of Fate would be sorely displeased to be bumped down from >Heir Apparent to just one of the Princes. > Y'know, I don't think it has ever been established that Michael could take Yves out in a fight -- the one Superior who really is the oldest of them all. jo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:38:56 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Hart" To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 3:32 PM Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894 > > > >>Where'd I get the Forces? Well, heck, when > >you've got Mikey, who needs Baal?"<<< > > > >Kronos might have something to say about that you know. :P I'd imagine > >that the Prince of Fate would be sorely displeased to be bumped down from > >Heir Apparent to just one of the Princes. > Y'know, I don't think it has ever been established that Michael could take > Yves out in a fight -- the one Superior who really is the oldest of them > all. That's 'cause the exact nature of Yves is CDaU, if I remember correctly. Not that it matters. Yves would never come out and play directly like that anyway. He'd just arrange things so that he never had to... or, like the one challenge story that was written said, he'd come out and pretend to lose 'cause it was necessary to that day. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:08:14 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1896 At 3:16 PM -0800 11/3/00, James Walker wrote: [Attunement Synergy] >Seraph of Judgement(or Revelations, but less >fun) serving Dreams; Any GM who allows this... ...had better be prepared for the Seraph's method to change to: 1. Go to sleep. 2. Get to human. 3. Enter dreamscape. 4. Interrogate. 5. Get every last scrap of TRUTH in the first sentence. Or insist on interrogating people in the Marches. My brain hurts. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:08:10 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> test At 11:29 PM -0500 11/2/00, BillionSix@aol.com wrote: >Hi. I'm sending this from the email website at AOL.com. Let's see if it htmls. > >Reverend Brian A. Rogers Safe! Whew! - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:08:08 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> A Lilim Archangel At 9:16 PM -0800 11/2/00, Charles E Smith wrote: > An interesting beginning. I look forward to seeing the Attunements.<<< > >Thank you, but I'm drawing blanks on attunements for the Archangel of >Individuality. :( Clearly, each Servitor gets a unique one... - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:05:45 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) >>Eewwwwww... ick... that is *so* Elohite. >> >>(Objective, ya know.) > >Totally. > >"All animal souls go to Heaven. Therefore, the kitten has gone to >Heaven. The kitten's owner is now traumatized and has been >manipulated to believe Hell is directly responsible. Said owner is >well positioned to bring many economic and social forces to bear >against the opposition, and is passionately devoted to the cause, >ripe for recruitment as a Soldier of Heaven. Objectively, Heaven is >served well." > >Jordi would freak, but the space alien could easily justify it to >himself, and likely to his superior officer. In fact, he could likely >justify it to Michael, if he can show objectively that Good was done >here. Michael, being an ends justify the means sort of Archangel, >will find the deception distasteful, but this *is* a War, after >all.... > >(Pardon me while I scrub my brain out with brillo. ) I have come to a decision: these are the guys to do the scrubbing for you. >-- >Eric Alfred Burns - > >Habbalite of Belaboring the Point They're quite a surprise to see together, once you know who they are. But they've been together for hundreds of years, long before the trouble with their Bosses, and neither one has ever been reassigned. It's only a pity that there are so many targets to choose from, since the nature of their job requires them to work in one situation at a time; if they had a Word, its motto would be something like this: "The big picture is made up of a lot of little pictures." She's Anaiel, a Malakite of Fire. He's Benjamin, an Elohite of Judgment. Yes, Fire and Judgment. Annie is tasked with punishing those who commit cruelties in God's name. She includes humans, and of course every Habbalite in existence, but a lot of the time, her targets are Ben's: those Elohim who go just a little... well... *overboard* in service to the Cause. The previous statement, if made to Annie and Ben, would have gone as follows: "All animal souls go to Heaven. Therefore, the kitten has gone to Heaven." Ben: "This excuses killing a kitten?" "No. However, the kitten's owner is now traumatized --" Annie: "You think this makes it *better*?" "If you please. I'm not done yet. Its owner has been manipulated to believe Hell is directly responsible. --" Ben: "So you lied to him, as well." "Yes. Said owner is well positioned to bring many economic and social forces to bear against the opposition, and is passionately devoted to the cause, ripe for recruitment as a Soldier of Heaven. Objectively, Heaven is served well." Annie shakes her head. "Mm-hm. And pray tell, what if he ever finds out that his beloved kitty was killed, not by Soldiers of Hell, but by an angel?" Ben: "What if he starts wondering why a demon would have killed a housecat?" Elohite: "For the mere pleasure of killing, of course. That's what demons do." Annie: "Yes. Demons. Not us." Anaiel is perfectly happy with her job. She has an identified class of cruel beings and punishes them suitably, with Ben's help(one angel vs. a human is easy, but her fellow angels require a bit more to help them see the light). The mere *attention* of Judgment can get some angels sweating. Her own brethren in Fire are at first a little leery of her friend Ben, but they've been together so long that Ben can relate to Fire's point of view more than many other angels of Judgment. Since Dominic shows up weekly for Ben, Anaiel sees more of him than of Gabriel, and Dominic has de facto "adopted" the Malakite, for long service in a way that closely resembles his own duties. He has offered her his Malakite attunement, and some careful thought, she accepted - she only has to report fellow Malakim, not the rest of her compatriots, and Malakim of Fire receive Dissonance only for breaking their Oaths, or failing Gabriel specifically. She can live with reporting that. However, she is still devoted to Gabriel and will not leave the service of Fire. Ben is walking a finer line. As an Elohite, he is doing what he feels serves the objective good, but to do this particular job requires that he have unwavering faith that God has set down certain laws of conduct, and that He has done so for a *reason*. In the bigger picture, there is no excuse for sin, even if it does not generate Dissonance. Manipulation is one thing, and actions which would have been sin under different circumstances -- e.g., killing in self-defense -- are fine. But sins committed in the name of the Lord are an abomination, and will lead eventually to behavior that *will* cause Dissonance and Falling. They must be repented and absolved. Ben takes extreme care not to "punish." Being sure of your own righteousness and punishing sinners is the Habbalite nature. Punishment is Annie's job -- Ben identifies the wrongs and tries to persuade his Choirmates that such actions do not ultimately further their cause. Unfortunately, his rate of success isn't all that high -- Elohim love their theological debates, but they also are notorious for deciding that a path is for the objective good, and sticking to it, whoever it might hurt. As you might suspect from his name and his outlook, Ben is a devout Jew, of no particular branch(several thousand years of pondering angelic vs. human law tends to set one apart from any specific human interpretation), and takes his moral compass from this religion. His view is broad enough to allow a number of practices that strict Judaism doesn't for humans, notably working on the Sabbath(he is responsible for the well-being of a community, after all) and some other points, but the basic laws -- especially the common rabbinical interpretations of the Ten Commandments -- he holds dear and true. When his fellow Elohim start thinking they have a better grasp of the fundamentals than God (an interpretation sure to start some heated "discussion"), he and Annie will be there, to remind them that one does not defend righteousness and goodness by abandoning them. William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:14:16 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Return of the son of Stupid Kyriotoate tricks (was: Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) > >> > What you do is you have your Strength/12 Numinous Corpus-Claws/6 >>Kyriotate >> > move up and possess the *kitten*... and then have the cute itty-bitty >>kitty >> > tear the itty-bitty demon's itty-bitty little head clean off its neck. >> > Kinda like Sluggy Freelance Demonic Kittens, only in reverse. >> Heh. If you have a Kyriotate of Jordi, then skip the Kitten, and Jump into >the >> nearest beehive. Str 12, NC Claws on the whole swarm. >> And remember, 1 swarm only takes 1 force.. >> Demon "Nobody moves or the Kitten gets...Hey, wheres that buzzing coming >> from?" >> -Daiv >Or, if you have a Kyriotate of Jean...Give him Corp song of Movement >(thats the >one that allows flight?) and a buzzsaw blade. > >-Daiv "..." >:^) Funfunfun! *practically hopping up and down* I *like* Stupid Kyriotate Tricks. More! More! Hmm... Must check FAQ to see what all has been listed before I start tossing out ideas... see you *real* soon. :^) William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 17:48:19 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Superiors and gods At 4:15 PM -0500 11/3/00, Charles Phipps wrote: >Kronos >His servitors frequently dueled with the Ethereal gods as they developed a >very powerful fear of him and the name became anathema to the Greeks. That >people actually worshipped him long ago is probably very terrifying... >Unless Kronos just took the name of a deceased Ethereal and said "I am the >Evil before the gods." Kronos didn't show up _that_ recently... Maybe the Greek god's name is a hint as to where he _really_ was before Lucifer found him, patched him up, and brought him home to show the Princes... (You think that's canon? FNORD! FNORD, by me!) As for Janus and Oannes, I'd imagine they told Dominic, "I didn't do it, I don't know why the humans are doing it, and I don't know how to make them stop! Sorry." If the Truth is that they aren't encouraging it, and just waiting for it to go away... What's a Seraph to do? Going down and bashing worshippers around would hardly do good things for Heaven's cause. (Perhaps Michael was teaching some of the humans worship Rites to send him Essence, and Janus and Oannes weren't.) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:04:47 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894 At 1:03 AM -0500 11/3/00, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >At 11:41 PM -0600 11/2/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: >>IIRC, Superior status can only be stripped by either Lucifer (if you're a >>Demon Prince) or the Seraphim Council acting in unison (if you're an >>Archangel). > >Actually, I don't think (the GMG might contridict this) that you >*can* unmake a Prince or Archangel. It's a state change. iIrc -- the GMG goes mildly fnord about it. Could be wrong, have only one hand right now. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1903 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.