From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Nov 10 23:47:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA15587 for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 23:47:17 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id XAA04164 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 10 Nov 2000 23:45:43 -0600 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 23:45:43 -0600 Message-Id: <200011110545.XAA04164@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1917 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, November 10 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1917 In this digest: Re: IN> Creating life with Transubstantiation IN> Falling the other way... Re: IN> Baka!! Re: IN> You know... IN> Idea sprung from the "politics in heaven" IN> Speculation time... Re: IN> Speculation time... Re: IN> Speculation time... Re: IN> Speculation time... Re: IN> Speculation time... Re: IN> Too much time on my hands. IN> Quick question... Re: IN> Quick question... IN> Darn. Re: IN> Quick question... Re: IN> Quick question... Re: IN> Too much time on my hands. Re: IN> Speculation time... Re: IN> Speculation time... Re: IN> Quark IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1914 IN> Michael's Trials - Freedom (Part 1) IN> Heretical Hatiphas IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1915 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 22:06:50 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Creating life with Transubstantiation Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 11:55:25 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Creating life with Transubstantiation >Transub doesn't create alive life, anyway, IIRC. So >if the Bound critter makes the statue organic, then >it's probably going to rot. Ewwwwwwwwwww. >Good way to surprise Shedim of Death, though. Suddenly having your puppet turn into a immobile piece of stone will do that, yeah. Heh. Combine that with a 111 roll, and that scenario just gets better and better. "Whaddya mean, I can't leave? And no, no, not the pigeons! Curse you, Jordi!" Or, actually, a 666 roll. "Hi! I'm a Kyrio of Stone!"* :) Moe *(snide) Just keep strangling those people who annoy you with your bare hands and nobody will suspect a thing. (/snide) ;) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 01:12:00 -0600 From: Santiago Subject: IN> Falling the other way... On those sad and terrible occasions when an Elohite loses sight of the true reasons for being, the former angel usually forgets his objectivity, giving in to a flurry of passions and tumbling screaming to Hell as a Habbalite, not even realizing what has truly happened. But, on a few, rare occasions, these precariously-balanced angels topple the other way. Instead of giving in to passions, they instead distance themselves too much from emotions in the quest for objectivity. They become incapable of feeling even the slightest hint of emotion, and perceive it as simply an uncontrolled mechanism that drives the cogs of others. They view all beings as mechanistic, and scoff at the very concept of free will. They become something terribly hard and cold, yet perfectly aware of its transformation--they simply don't care. Bal-elohim The Observers Appearance and manner In celestial form, Bal-elohim appear similar to their old forms, except as ruthlessly perfect beings, painful to even behold. Their eyes in particular shine with a cold hard light that is impossible to look at even for an instant. They tend to keep the same sorts of vessels they had as angels, and always maintain a clean and efficient persona. Resonance Elohim that manage to purge themselves of any trace of emotion can still sense it quite accurately in others, and predict how it will affect them. Their old angelic resonance functions as it used to, but they cannot develop the long-term bonds that more sophisticated uses of their resonance require. However, their total dissociation from emotion yields enhanced clarity as their personal symphony stills. By straining, they can pick out bits of the True Symphony itself. By accepting a penalty to their perception roll equal to the maximum desired check digit, they may make use of the basic Seraph resonance to detect truth (mechanics as per a Habbalite emulating the Elohite resonance). Dissonance Unlike Bene-elohim, which may feel emotion in controlled manner so long as it does not affect their course of action, even the faintest taint of feeling is antithetical to the Bal-elohim. Feeling any sort of emotion or caring about anything is dissonant. (Unlike Djinn, they really DON'T care.) If a Bal-elohim acquires excessive dissonance from his band restriction (fails his dissonance roll), he explodes in a storm of emotion that ultimately leaves him a Habbalite, and one who thinks he just redeemed at that... General Bal-elohim are exceedingly rare. Hell typically has no more than a score of them at any given time. Princes value them exceedingly highly for their investigative abilities, something few other demons can even come close to matching. Asmodeus has the majority in his service, and deploys them very carefully. Baal has requisitioned about half as many, in the name of the war effort. Kronos finds them useful, but less so than other princes, as his remaining ties to the Symphony let him modify his Balseraphs to fill such roles. Vapula has a handful as well, finding their ability to perceive the Symphony infinitely useful. His lack of typical Habbalite behavior have led some to question whether or not he might have become one himself over the ages, despite never having seen the light of Heaven. All attempts to replicate them so far have failed miserably, though there have been a few interesting spinoffs... Typical Discords Frigid - This discord causes the affected celestials vessel to be unnaturally cold. At level one, this manifests as merely unusually cold and clammy skin, almost corpse-like. This increases, until at level six ordinary humans actually take damage from the cold burns caused by merely touching the affected celestial. This coldness feels unnatural, and humans will shrink back from it instinctively. Social rolls are likely to suffer a penalty equal to the level of the discord. - -- Santiago ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 07:35:17 -0000 From: "I. Inayat" Subject: Re: IN> Baka!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 3:13 AM Subject: Re: IN> Baka!! > Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 17:23:49 -0000 > From: "I. Inayat" > > Subject: IN> Baka!! > >Iggy > >Kyriotate of Creation IST to Dreams > >Angel of Anime > > >Numinous Corpus (eyes/1), > > OK, this is precisely the kind of touch I like to see > in writeups.* > > :) Heh. I'm just grateful I didn't include the Tentacles... (The _Shedite_ of Anime, now...) > Moe > > *Seriously, I liked it. It made me laugh. It was > goofy in the good way. Well done. :) From: "Michael Walton" To: > This is good stuff for a first effort. I really like the background >on this character. I look forward to seeing more of your work Thanks. Oh, there was one thing, for those campaigns with the Princess of Cute... There also seems to be an Iggy fanclub in _Hell_. No-one really knows how - but it does seem to have a disturbingly large number of Servitors of Cute... (especially the Shedim, Lilim and Djinn. Given the Princess is still gurgling at the moment, no-one's dared asked _why_.) Iggy, if pushed on the subject, will admit he's been asked - _told_ - to lend Iolanthe a few videos by her Djinn Mommy. For some reason, Nitpicking and Anime do _not_ get on... Imran ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 03:45:05 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> You know... Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 23:06:18 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> You know... >However, I disagree with one of JT's central tenets. >This isn't Dark Humor. Nor is it the Media. Dark >Humor and the Media may have helped, but they're not >behind it. >This is the Game, pure and simple. >Think of it. Right now, one candidate may win the >electoral vote while the other wins the popular. >Right there, there's the Game. Further, the ballots >that were tossed in West Palm Beach were over a >violation of the rules. The questionable ballots and >potential disenfranchisment may not be legally >actionable because all the rules were followed. >The entire spirit of Democracy, the entire spirit of >representation of the people by the people, has been >subverted into a huge game -- where the rules clearly >show massive problems that no one wanted or intended, >but because the stakes are so high, no one can even >do the thing any schoolyard gang knows to do when >things aren't fair -- give up and try again, or play >something else. >Most importantly, those stakes themselves -- the >presidency of the United States -- becomes nothing >more than a prize to win, a banner to wave, bragging >rights. There remains no mandate, no expression of >the people's will... only the cynical Game, and no >one's winning. No one on Earth, at least. >See, Asmodeus needs to run external operations every >now and again, just to remind the others that the >Game is more than just some kind of security force. >The Game is the obverse of the War, both fought by >the same people, but where the War is passionate, >deeply concerned about continuing the eternal >struggle, the Game is nothing but ruminations on the >theme of the contest, and no one can possibly win. >The Game just is. Thanks, Eric. You've given me the idea for Asmodeus' Redemption-hook. Much obliged. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:25:35 -0500 From: Ernie the Dancing Weasel Subject: IN> Idea sprung from the "politics in heaven" Ever since I got into In Nomine, I've been trying to steal a concept that came from a D&D campaign that I was in. (No this is NOT copyright TSR, unless the GM made a deal that I am unaware of) Three parties for heaven Fortitude Michael Lawrence David Faith Khalid (Duh) Novalis Christopher Wisdom Yves Jean Dominic Six parties for Hell Fear Beleth Corruption Kronos Greed Andrealphus Haagenti Betrayal Malphas Rage Belial Baal Darkness I haven't figured out where the other Celestials might stand. Gabriel I think I want in the Faith category. The Factions of Hell aren't working out as well as I wanted, but Heaven seems to fit well, for the most part. Eli I have no idea, and Jordi might go into Faith or Fortitude. Marc seems closest to wisdom, but it doesn't seem to work quite right for him. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 10:58:37 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Speculation time... It occurs to me that, if Heaven ever gets a 'yo-yo' Pentitent Prince, the last thing they'd want to do is to give him or her the same Word that they had before.* I mean, they weren't able to handle it the first time, right? So, any good suggestions for Words, Mark II? Moe *Assuming that they even give said Prince a Word: that may not be realistic, but it's certainly more fun. :) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 13:16:35 -0600 From: "Erich S. Arendall" Subject: Re: IN> Speculation time... > It occurs to me that, if Heaven ever gets a 'yo-yo' > Pentitent Prince, the last thing they'd want to do is > to give him or her the same Word that they had > before.* I mean, they weren't able to handle it the > first time, right? > > So, any good suggestions for Words, Mark II? You mean like: Kobal, Angel of Chuckles Andrealphus, Angel of Procreation and Beleth, Angel of Scary Stuff?