From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Nov 30 17:20:21 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01864 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:20:21 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id RAA08986 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:21:09 -0600 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:21:09 -0600 Message-Id: <200011302321.RAA08986@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1951 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, November 30 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1951 In this digest: IN> Netanya, the Angel of the Selfless Gift Re: IN> Supoeriors on the Couch - Myers-Briggs In-Nominated Re: IN> IN: Wizardry Re: IN> Canon NSA Headquarters is a Vapulan tether IN> A truly Kobalistic comic... Re: IN> Hurray for Humans, Part 1 Re: IN> Netanya, the Angel of the Selfless Gift IN> Re: IN: Wizardry Re: IN> Netanya, the Angel of the Selfless Gift IN> Re: Lilith, Queen of Hell BRAVO! IN> The Demon of John Cleese IN>Pagan Mummies Re: IN> The Demon of John Cleese Re: IN> The Demon of John Cleese Re: IN> The Demon of John Cleese Re: IN> Yves' Pad Re: IN> Netanya, the Angel of the Selfless Gift Re: IN> Yves' Pad IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1950 Re: IN> The worlds of Jean and Vapula Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1950 Re: IN> Supoeriors on the Couch - Myers-Briggs In-Nominated Re: IN> Hurray for Humans, Part 1 Re: IN> Yves' Pad Re: IN> Hurray for Humans, Part 1 Re: IN> Some intriguing questions IN> Words and Granting (Re: LIL: The leftovers) Re: IN> LIL: The leftovers Re: IN> Hurray for Humans, Part 1 IN> God's Word-bound (Re: Netanya, the Angel of the Selfless Gift) Re: IN> Netanya, the Angel of the Selfless Gift Re: IN>Pagan Mummies ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 05:00:39 +0000 From: Eric Hallstrom Subject: IN> Netanya, the Angel of the Selfless Gift Disclaimer: No canon here. No munchkinism either. Really. Would I lie to you? Datclaimer: Don't kill me. And it is said that, one day, Dominic, the dark-cloaked, bright Archangel of Judgement, was passing from his Cathedral in Heavan upon business of His own when he Saw, approaching Him, an Angel. And it is said that Dominic Saw that the Angel was a Bright Lilim, but that she was Chained by many Self-Geasa, and that her wings were as black as Night. And Dominic frowned at this and stood before her and asked: "Who are you, Lilith's Child, that you bring into Heaven chains and black wings?" And it is said that the Angel said: "I am Netanya, Most Holy. The Angel of the Selfless Gift, and this is yours." And she handed the mighty Seraph a small package, which squirmed. And it is said that Dominic frowned, for he Saw that this was Truth, but he did not remember that Word having been granted by the Seraphim Council, so he asked again: "Who is your Superior?" And it is said that the Angel answered: "God," and said no more. And it is said that Dominic started, for he Saw that this, also, was Truth, and that the package squirmed again. And it is said that Dominic looked down at the packeage, and that opened, revealing a tiny kitten. And the kitten spoke, saying: "Mwr." And it is said that Dominic frowned at the kitten, and went to put it down, intending to return it to the care of Manifold Jordi, the Archangel of Animals whose Word properly concerned it. And it is said that the kitten then dug its tiny claws into the Seraph's dark cloak, and spoke again, saying: "Mwr!" And it is said that Dominic looked again upon the kitten and Saw that this meant that the kitten was not Jordi's, but rather, his own, and that to separate it from him would be Punishment. And it is said that Dominic Saw that the Punishment would be Unjust, for the kitten was only a kitten, and had done no Harm. And for Dominic to punish anyone Unjustly, even so small a one as a kitten, is _most strictly_ forbidden. And it is said that Dominic looked about him, but that he Saw that Netanya, the Bright Lilim with the Black wings, was nowhere to be found. And it is said that Dominic looked at all these things and Saw that was Truly screwed. She was born a Free Lilim, born into Geased chains. She never forgot, and she never forgave, and she kept her mouth shut and anytime her Mom _needed_ something, there she was, ready to hand. And finally all the chains were gone, and so was she. And the next time anyone saw her, so were her horns and skin-tint. Oh, she was obviously still a Lilim, but she was carrying new chains, chains that led nowhere but herself, and her wings were as black as a moonless midnight and she had a Word: the Angel of the Selfless Gift. One would ordinarily suspect that this would give her the approximate half-life of, say, nobelium-254. Ordinarily, one would be right. But it appears that _Someone_ likes her. Or, perhaps, it is simply that the Symphony _needs_ somone who would give Dominic a kitten. Netanya, The Angel of the Selfless Gift. 12 Force Bright Lilim (of God?) Corporeal 3 (Str: 5, Agl: 7) Ethereal 4 (Int: 10, Pre: 6) Celestial 5 (Per: 10, Wil: 10) Word Forces 15 Vessel-3 (Human Female, Cha+1) Vessel-3(2) (Female Cat, Cha+2, Pwr-3, Ddg+3, Claws:2 Fangs:2, No hands-4) Usually about 15 pts. of Roles, varying widely. Celestial Toughness-2 About 40 pts. of skills, again varying widely between appearances. About 30 pts. of attunements. Malakite resonance. Bright Lilim. Angel of the Selfless Gift. The Only Celestial Wizard. Self-Geas-6 "I will not surrender to or allow myself to be captured by the Forces of Lucifer." Self-Geas-6 "I will not allow any evil to exist unchallenged when it is my choice, nor will I allow any evil to exist unchallenged forever." Self-Geas-6 "I will not collect Geasa for my own profit, nor will I charge where a gift may be given." Self-Geas-6 "I will never hesitate to piss off people who deserve it." Angel of the Selfless Gift: Netanya may use her Lilim Resonance without eye contact. She will only detect needs that lead the recipient to their Destiny, or that benefit the Symphony as a whole. If she fulfills a resonance-detected need _and takes no profit_ she will Geas the Symphony instead of the recipient. The Symphony will pay off ... sometime. When it's really important. Probably. If the owner of this attunement does not use the "selfless" part of it regularly, the Symphiny will start activating it at random, and geasing the holder into fulfilling the detected Needs. The Only Celestial Wizard: Netanya is the only known Celestial with Wizardry (q.v.). She has 20 slots for prepared claudications, about 40 points of Mastered songs, and is a Master of both The Speech and The Knowledge. She has a Mana Pool of 27. Rites: Spend 2 or more Essence helping another person for no return. (1 Essence) Netanya can gift others with her Rite, and the Angel of the Selfless Gift Attunement to other Celestials, but given the _natures_ of the Rite and Attunement in question, you just know that she'd have to see that you really Needed it first. Really Needing something, of course, is not at all the same as _wanting_ that thing. Or as enjoying it, afterwards. But, fortunately, she doesn't _expect_ your thanks. Superior reactions: Dominic would like to have a little chat. Micheal just grinned. Janus was too busy laughing. Eli thinks she's tres cool. Lucifer, Kronos, Andrealphus, Baal, Malphas, Asmodeus and Lilith want her dead, dead, dead, force stripped, soul-killed Dead. Now. Lucifer is offering a Word, Kronos, Malphas and Asmodeus are offering Duchies and Baal is offering a Generalship. Lilith is offering a Geas-6. Per Force. (Nor Hell a Fury, etc.) Kobal was too busy laughing. We think he was laughing, anyway. And a small number of Celestials, on both sides of the War, have let it be known, in a quiet, low-key, only-after-the-lodge-is-tyled way, that they Owe her. And Dominic would like to have a small chat. Now. And a bucket of kitty litter. Eric Hallstrom, 11/30/2000 - -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -IBM maintenance manual, 1925 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:56:54 +0000 From: Pak Chan Subject: Re: IN> Supoeriors on the Couch - Myers-Briggs In-Nominated At 13:41 30/11/2000 +1100, you wrote: > > INTJ over here, definitely. AAMOF, all of my best friends are INTJs. > > > > Role-playing seems to attract us. What other types does role-playing >also > > attract the most? It's not all INTJ, I know that much. > > > > -- > > Chuckg > >ISTP here, and the only one I know... >I'm all alone...*sniff* *sniff* > >Just wait that's an I...I dont care if I'm all alone...How convienient. > >Azrael Well, I'm one of three INTPs I know who role-play on a regular basis. Like Sean McCarthy's lot, we're all computer geeks too... Pak ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:15:56 -0500 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: Re: IN> IN: Wizardry Eric Hallstrom wrote: > > Disclaimer: No canon here. Based on the works of Diane Duane. > > Datclaimer: Don't kill me. > > [snip] I loved these books! Thanks. :) - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 09:16:46 -0500 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: Re: IN> Canon NSA Headquarters is a Vapulan tether Charles Glasgow wrote: > > The NSA *and* the phone company are Infernally influenced? > (Admittedly, my "The Game is into the phone company as deep as it can > get" is conjecture and not canon, but I consider it to be a likely > conjecture). > > Well, the infernal hotlines just got safer to use, but if I were an > angel I wouldn't be trusting any means of communication more advanced > than smoke signals... that settles it, Michael is gonna have to have > Nisroch (Angel of Spies) start giving Heaven-wide open seminars on > tradecraft and codes. Or Jean is going to finally have to be > convinced to release that computerized automated one-time system [1] > for human use. The infernal hotlines...safe to use? IMC, the most common means of secure communications was the Celestial Song of Tongues. Angels frequently had it, so they could send quick updates to their superiors and friends. Demons...went out of their way to avoid learning it. If you knew that Song, your Prince would expect you to report back in more frequently, and the attention of a Demon Prince is a BAD thing to have. The "Hotline" item that started this thread would likely be seen as one of the worst possible /punishments/ a demon could be inflicted with -- I'd expect demons who got them to report many of them to be "destroyed while combatting the enemy", "stolen by enemy agents", or just plain "lost". For demons, the plain fact is that their side is as at least as dangerous to them as Heaven is! > [1] Last seen in Tom Clancy's _Sum Of All Fears_ as the CIA's > fictional [2] 'Tapdance' algorithm, which was basically the > one-time-pad version of PGPhone. So long as the keys themselves > were maintained securely, it was theoretically unbreakable, like any > other one-time system. (The only way to break a one-time pad is to > get a copy of the codebook. Without that, you'd better pray that > the DM lets Corporeal Song of Tongues work to decrypt ciphers, > 'cause that's the only way you're gonna break it.) I am given to understand that the US Navy does use one-time pads extensively; the key-management is a bear, since they need to transport CDs full of random numbers all over the planet. I saw a post on comp.risks from a guy who talked about the destruction procedures for these CDs; apparently the Navy went through a long rigmarole until they realized microwaving them works well enough. :) - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:27:06 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> A truly Kobalistic comic... Ever wonder what kind of jokes Kobal really likes? Most likely, it's not the kind of stuff we'd usually find funny. Dead Baby Jokes, irreverent mocking of even the most basic moral rules, out and out blasphemy... And now, many of those kind of jokes are available in a weekly comic: The Parking Lot is Full. Check out comics which make the jokes you'd never dared imagine, from the wierd but fun, like "What if Hell was a Mall" to the merely offensive, like "Cookie Monster, Grand Dragon of the KKK" to more disturbing fare like "Horsephone", right up to the -Really- disturbing stuff like "It's Goofy Time!" Hellmall: http://www.plif.com/archive/wc035.gif Cookie Monster KKK: http://www.plif.com/archive/wc047.gif Horsephone: http://www.plif.com/archive/wc233.gif Goofie Time: http://www.plif.com/archive/wc134.gif If you really need that extra punch to portray Kobal effectivly, go check out more exemples of the comic here at http://www.plif.com/ - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:44:50 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Hurray for Humans, Part 1 Charles Glasgow wrote: > He's *not* evil. He's not particularly selfish. He's honestly > thinking that it's just harmless fan. Um. I'd say he *is* evil and the particular kind of evil he's guilty of is called "folly." He's an Olympic-class fool. He's indulging in what he *tells* himself is "harmless fun" at the cost of assisting the Forces of Evil (tm). He *knows* that, or he wouldn't be Hellsworn. I'd say that, if he "doesn't realize" what an awful thing he's doing, it's very likely because he won't *let* himself realize it. Culpable folly is like hypocrisy -- they're both sins that no one believes they are committing at the time they are committing them, because they willfully blind themselves to the fact. Unless we're unusually pure, any of us have actions in our past of which we've said (often a moment later), "I should have known better." And we've all been furious with people we're quite certain ought to have known better about this or that. This guy has just turned the interval between sin and self-conviction into a whole lifestyle, possibly into a whole afterlifestyle. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 10:49:08 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Netanya, the Angel of the Selfless Gift Netanya brings up an interesting point. The GM's Guide makes it clear that, once in a while, God grants Words without notifying the Seraphim Council. Are such Word-bound automatically folded into the Archangelic hierarchy, whether they want to or not? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 08:02:59 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Re: IN: Wizardry Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 04:54:21 +0000 From: Eric Hallstrom Subject: IN> IN: Wizardry >Disclaimer: No canon here. Based on the works of >Diane Duane. > >Datclaimer: Don't kill me. Oh, for myself I'm inclined to be tolerant of the length, seeing as you've just made it unnecessary for me to do the conversion on my own. I _know_ that the Line Editor is a Duane fan, so you may get away with it with her. You may want to consider the webpage option, though, for future stuff. :) Just one minor nitpick*: if I remember the books correctly, you've drastically understated the number of wizards on earth (Duane postulates app. 3,000,000). Use that number. Let your players find that out. Watch them sweat. Other than that, nicely done. :) Moe *Actually, it isn't. You've obviously researched this one to a fare-thee-well, and deliberately used the lower number for play balance (just like you toned down breakthroughs so that 12 year olds in this system can't change planetary orbits). However, I'm afraid that I just love the look on a player's face when he realizes that what he _thought_ were the ground rules just took one in the head... :) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 11:22:35 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Netanya, the Angel of the Selfless Gift At 5:00 AM +0000 11/30/00, Eric Hallstrom wrote: > And it is said that Dominic looked down at the packeage, and that > opened, revealing a tiny kitten. And the kitten spoke, saying: "Mwr." This was fall down, flat out hysterical. This one line just broke me. Good Angel. Nice writeup. And henceforth, when not in full Judgement mode, my Dominic will have a small kitten with him. It's sad that souls never grow older, but even a kitten will learn. *My* kitten jumped on my lap and began loudly purring as I typed this, which I take as approval. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:04:59 -0800 From: "Glenn Brown" Subject: IN> Re: Lilith, Queen of Hell BRAVO! This story line is getting very interesting. Yves' comments about how Lilith is inside the Symphony, and therefore is a greater danger to Heaven than Lucifer was, makes me wonder how long it will be before Heaven comes to regard Lucifer's assassination as the biggest strategic blunder of all time. Which raises the question, who authorized Michael to kill Lucifer? Did Michael ask permission from Laurence, or the full Seraphim Council, before making such a drastic move? Or did he act on his own initiative? I suppose Yves might have approved of Michael's action in advance, if he were sufficiently confident that he could persuade Lilith not to become Queen of Hell after Lucifer was removed. But if Michael acted without getting Yves' consent, I think this may come to be regarded as another example of Michael's flaw of excessive Pride. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:26:51 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Demon of John Cleese Cleesial Djinn of Dark Humor The Demon of John Cleese Knight of Derision Cor-4 Str 10 Agi-6 Eth-3 Int-2 Pre-6 Cel-3 Will-8 Per-4 Vessel: Vessel 2/ (Looks suspiciously like a famous British Commedian) Charisma +1 Skills: Disguise 4/, Fighting 2/, John Cleese Lore 6/, Savoir-Faire-2 Songs: Song of Entropy (Corporeal 2/), Song of Form (Celestial 3/), Song of Possession 3/ Attunements: Djinn of Dark Humor, Knight of Derision, Prank Word forces: 1-2 (depends on how John Cleese is feeling and whether or not he's had any work lately) Special Rites: * Perform a skit of John Cleese's humor Cleesial was your typical Djinn in the service of Dark Humor; unpleasant who enjoyed humiliating people and watching them die in extremely unpleasant ways....banna peels, tossing them in boat propellers after they say how much they love sailing, the usual. However during his time in Jolly Old England Cleesial attended one of the more bizzare comedy shows of his time (intending to find someone to hurt) and fell pray to the Djinn curse....he became obsessed with someone...oddly famous British comedian John Cleese. Unlike most Djinn who would take this oppurtunity to humiliate and destroy (which would have deprived us of years of such wonderful skits such as "A man going to buy cheese" and "A fish called wanda"), Cleesial (name changed to show his devotion) decided to make a vow that John Cleese would live forever. Needless to say his fellow demons laughed their arse of....right before Cleesial crushed their skulls and went to seek Lucifer to petition the word of John Cleese. After braving the lower hells, Belial's lands, and leaving a bloody trail behind him.....Lucifer stared at the request in one of those momments that led you to believe you were about to become the Demon of Stale Bong Water...and dang if that might have been an improvement. Lucifer decided to play it straight though (for once) and requested Cleesial return in a year and a day of doing things to prove that he was worthy of the word of John Cleese. Cleesial did so and Lucifer just stared at him when he returned.... "YOU *STILL* WANT THE WORD OF JOHN CLEESE?" Lucifer spoke somewhat redundantly noteing that in the meantime Cleesial had altered his vessel to appear almost perfectly a replica of the British actor and it had started to affect his hellform as well...at least the way he dressed. "Yessir and I've got all the propper notation to make sure I deserve the word. On August 4th I possesed one of the United States rocket developers in Bejinng before breaking into a rousing chorus of "I like Chinese" to explain why the government should allow the developers presence, On September 3rd I suceeded in driving a man to jump out an 9th story window in his penthouse apartment as all the furniture in his home began to sing the praises of a certain bottled tonic, On January 5th I suceeded in getting someone shot in a cheese shop which had no cheese, on Febuary 3rd I performed a drive by hacking of a popular documentry star...still unsolved...On M.." Lucifer blinked "Your hired." Cleesial is thus never happier than he is today in his role as the best John Cleese fanatic on the planet and promoting his frankly bizzare word (unbeknowst to knowing that Eli after listening to some old Monty Python skits is going to assigned one of his cherubs to gaurd Dear Jonny Boy). Clessial since his word forces depend on the health and well being of John Cleese is currently considering options for making him hellsworn but notes that will likely be difficult as of all the demons in the world Cleesial is one of the most silly. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 18:46:27 GMT From: daiv@cruzio.com Subject: IN>Pagan Mummies Okay, so check me on this one. Canon states that Saminga got the rituals for creating Mummies (and assorted undead) from the Egyptian Gods. It is reasonable to assume that the Egyptian Gods also allowed their follwers to use these rituals. So, there could be at least a couple unalighned very very old mummies running around the IN universe. Now, we go into the explicitly non canon area, as opposed to the accidentally non canon (if I am wrong about the above assumptions). Saminga is not the brightest fire in Hell; I have my own theories about that, by the way (like, maybe it is all a ruse), but within canon, he is not all that smart (relatively speaking, anyway). What if he screwed up on the rituals? what if the original Mummies were a Lot more powerful then the knock offs he produces now? And as I posted a couple weeks ago, what if someone started making a serious effort to find the original rituals? (Betcha Yves has them tucked away in his library, somewhere. Anonymous papyrus scrolls, just waiting to be found...) - -Daiv a fine line between coffee and insanity that is where i live ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:56:26 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of John Cleese *Please* tell me one of the rites is a Silly Walk. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("I didn't expect this.") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:11:14 -0600 From: "Erich S. Arendall" Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of John Cleese > Cleesial > Djinn of Dark Humor > The Demon of John Cleese > Knight of Derision *blink* *blink* Hee hee hee! :) Although if someone ever comes out with the Angel/Demon of Gallagher, I'm putting down In Nomine and walking far away.